Thread 149673991

Now that the dust has settled, what's the worst next step the DCU can take to undo any of the goodwill it built up with Superman (2025)?

>>149673991 (OP)
Do Death of Superman next

>>149673991 (OP)
>the worst
if Supergirl is complete trash honestly that would put a huge damper on things.

>>149673991 (OP)
More spinoff movies for extremely irrelevant people. Like, Blue Beetle tier.

>>149674145
Gunn's advantage is that he can make every character the way he writes them best now. We get an entire franchise of underdogs but I'm okay with that.

Too bad I missed out on Superman for Fantastic Four but now it seems noone gives a shit about Fantastic Four.

>>149673991 (OP)
It's not even doing that well especially for the big launch of a new cinematic universe

>>149674283
Still doing better than most in times where most movies dont break even unless you make them dirt cheap, like Jurassic World 4. That one sucked but its crazy how it was "only" 180M.

>>149674283
It's doing better than I expected it to, at least. I thought DC was completely in the shit after The Flash and WW84, but I guess a decent portion of the public actually understood that this is a new universe and were willing to hear it out.

>>149673991 (OP)
Get Tom King to write Supergirl and Green Lanter- oh wait he already is.

>>149674145
>>149674634
On the one hand, I don't want to see another attempt at DC movies strangled in the crib. On the other hand, having the mainstream endlessly mock True Grit in Space and expose Tom King for the hack fraud that he is would be incredibly satisfying.

>>149674145
They’d have to really fuck up with supergirl then. Like making Lobo not cool.

>>149673991 (OP)
Making the next movie Zionist propaganda would do it since a lot of the good will for the movie is how it contained a metaphor for the Israel palestine conflict. Doubly so the change of Superman’s parents to wanting him to be a conquerer is also a metaphor for the American Jew rejecting Israel. It’s kind of crazy how much anti israeli sentiment is in this movie.

>>149673991 (OP)
As you can see >>149675058
Most of this films success is just due to people making retarded projections of their personal politics on to the film. I don't think things well work out so well in that regard in future movies

>>149673991 (OP)
>Worst
Make a bunch of shitty TV shows that you have to watch for the Gunnverse to make any sense, lean too much into MCU style humor to where Gunnverse doesn't feel distinct from Marvel, Superman Legacy was sincere in a way modern Marvel can't be, if it goes down the same road as Marvel than what's the point?

>>149673991 (OP)
stick with that indian as booster gold

>>149675150
Oh, you’re one of those retards that don’t think writers make stories about things. Metaphors? They must not exist. Too complicated for you.

By Having a New Batman

Don't get me wrong, I love comics and fantastical elements of Batman. But Imagine MCU starting with Thor and having it's own Iron Man, rather than RDJ.

Let Matt Reeves make whatever he wants, just don't let him kill Batman. Gunn can push Batman against Fantastical elements in other franchise like Titans or Justice League. Let Matt start with Dick rather than damian. Nobody can bring same talent and fame like Pattinson. He's best for me after Keaton in terms portraying Batman. So I don't want a lame Batman with bunch of Bat family. And Jason Todd works well when he's introduced as Robin. Audience won't care about a Dead Robin coming back to life, because they never connected to him and Damian works when we know Batman never had a violent Robin.

>>149675035
Nah Real Test is Lanterns or Wonder Woman. General audience doesn't care about that character even if movie turns good it'll barely cross 300-400 million

>>149676088
I think Green Lantern is the right call. Wonder Woman gets free marketing because it will by default have a better actress than Gal Gadot. You’d have to actually put effort into making a worse Wonder Woman movie than 1984. I could see them having a either another green lantern or another lantern color in supergirl since it’s in space. Maybe they have a guy going after Lobo or something. I do feel like the green lantern movie needs more setup to get people interested.

>>149673991 (OP)
Fucking up batman OR wonder woman, in that order. Both are pretty hard to fuck up, but considering WB's track record?

>>149675487
>that don’t think writers make stories about things. Metaphors? They must not exist.
ah yes the croatian(a eastern european laguage) speaking people with Russian architecture, who even used the same excuse for invading that Russia did for Ukraine is totally Israel. Fucking retard

>>149676236
Wonder Woman is easy to fuck up. See the Joss Whedon pilot and Wonder Woman 1984. Or her Xena man hating feminist phase in the comics.

>>149675035
They will emasculate Lobo

>>149673991 (OP)
Hire Tom King to write adaptations of Tom King stories

OH WAIT

>>149673991 (OP)
>Now that the dust has settled
bot.

>>149676304
I just don't see it. Superman had multiple bimbos uncritically.

>>149673991 (OP)
be bad

>>149676304
Don’t see why you would assume that at all. They kept the characters in Superman pretty true to who they are and didn’t embarrass anyone to build someone else up.

>>149673991 (OP)
Meh I still don't like Gunn's Superman movie. Anyone else? Simply didn't like it. And I hated Krypto because Warner is using him to get sympathy from idiot normies because of mascot bullshit. At least Rocket Racoon was a legit independent character this whole doggy woggy bullshit on the other hand is just shit. Weak Superman movie and I expect the sequels to perform poorer because that's the thing about reboots you can sucker people the first time but diminishing returns sets in with the sequels.

But what do I know normies are such retards they are HAPPY at seeing the announced sequel for the new Cameron's Avatar. Humanity is such a disappointment.

>>149677645
everyone who watched it thought it was milquetoast. nobody thinks it’s anything to write home about

>>149673991 (OP)
Make a movie about the other super animals like super monkey, super horse, super cat, etc. And make a Batman movie that has Batmite acting like the most annoying twat ever. Make a Wonder Woman movie that REALLY blatantly on screen makes it clear that Wonder Woman is a FULL dedicated dyke because she comes from Dyke Island. Ideas such as these would tarnish the brand power of this new DCU.

>>149677660
Glad I'm not alone, it felt like "This is something you remember and recognize but it won't be as refreshing as you might think." I felt the same way about Jurassic World Rebirth holy hell that movie was charmless. In that regard Gunn's Superman film is better as it had more effort.

>>149673991 (OP)
The president suing AT&T for depicting U.S. president as having no control over Amrecia's greatest ally

>>149674130
What if we also wrapped it up in a crossover with Batman that were also a rough TDKR adaptation as well?

>>149677645
I like it quite a bit. I just appreciate the fact that it approaches its story in the way that a comic book would. Other characters should be around. Not everyone needs an origin story. Do we need to know why mr terrific became mr terrific? No, and that’s fine. Do I love the movie? No, but the themes are on point and the characters are pretty true to how they should be.

>>149677660
This is simply false, most people thought it was at least good.

I freaking loved it.

>>149677848
I just wish the movie did not have Luthor. God Superman has other villains Braniac is due to a full theatrical treatment. They couldn't do Braniac back in the day due the special effects needed for him especially shrinking the City of Kandor but nowadays you can. So its a waste that yet again its Lex Luthor. And I know Luthor isn't the only baddie who shows up but would it kill Warner to make a Superman film without Luthor? Like seriously don't even hint that Luthor exists.

>>149677827
And also introduce Wonder Woman and a pointless dream sequence involving Darkseid

>>149677955
>would it kill Warner to make a Superman film without Luthor? Like seriously don't even hint that Luthor exists.
How did that work out for Man of Stee- oh wait, that movie shall henceforth not count as a movie without Luthor because Lex Corp is mentioned once, okay, good thing you mentioned that.

>>149677955
I think it’s fair to do Luthor since Luthor has never really been done well in a film.

I did like they basically folded Luthor and the tired old "Superman needs to fight a Superman clone at the climax" trope that's been a thing since Superman 2 into one. He fights not-yet-Bizarro, but it's Luthor and his startup feeding him fighting game inputs, it was neat to get both those things out of the way in a somewhat creative way.

>>149678004
That'll be a great way to start off our cinematic universe!

>>149678031
Dunno why that post got deleted but I do agree with this. I'm 100% cool with it. Start off with giving us a good Lex for once and then we can move on to some villains we haven't seen before, like Brainiac, Bizarro, Mxy, hopefully some of the lower-tier villains too, like Toyman or Livewire.

>>149678110
The one I really wan to see is Volcana. Her story is how the American Government used her as a meta human guinea pig. And because of that she despises the US government. Superman is always shown as being a government lapdog so seeing Superman reject the government's authority to defend Volcana would improve his image but i don't want Gunn in charge because that man has a fetish for selecting ugly women Volcana no pun intended is meant to be a hot female. If she's mediocre looking I don't want her.

>>149678110
I think the odds of Brainiac or Bizarro are fairly high. I doubt Zod is in the plans since all it would do is rehash his parent’s message. You can kind of look at DC’s catalogue or characters and see who is likely for a James Gunn project. Like Granny Goodness seems like a character that James Gunn will definitely use.

We need a really solid Wonder Woman film set in modern day. I say go all in with her rogues in one film.
>Lead bad guy can either be Circe or Doctor Cyber
>Cheetah, Giganta, and Silver Swan are a must
>Bring back Cheetah and Giganta for Legion of Doom

>>149678209
>Gunn selects ugly women
Disagree. Lois and Hawkgirl were attractive. Same with Karen Gillen.

>>149678258
>Granny Goodness
I would love to see all those campy but deadly Jack Kirby gods as untouched from the comics as possible, which is Gunn's style. Basically not at all what Snyder did. STAS had the right idea of slowly introducing them meddling in Earth, with Kanto and Granny having their own rackets. It's already been done but Glorious Godfrey would be one of the easiest ones to inject in a modern movie. Just have the Gods of Apokolips starting shit on Earth as a lead up to Darkseid.

>>149673991 (OP)
Bring back Snyder is the obvious answer

>>149677645
Most sequels tend to do better, at least initially, if the first movie was good, and most people ( at least in the U.S ) seem to have liked the Superman movie.

>>149674145
>>149675002
>Tom King for the hack fraud
I don't think Supergirl will be an inexpensive movie, like Clayface. It will be at least three times that cost, or well over $150/160M - so in that respect, and I believe it won't do well (under $500M world wide, even if Krypto is in every scene, which he won't be given that it's Multiple Eisner Award Winner Tim King℠ script), but sadly I doubt it will fail.
Lobo will be enough to drag enough fans to front load it, just like First Step, enough DC fans will support it before it's out, and there are enough normies and casuals so that it won't be Madame Webb levels of sad.
Which is what we need for King to get pushed back out to government work. I'm sure ICE will still have plenty of budget to hire him and keep him in baseball caps since he won't invest in a decent pair of hair plugs.

>>149678358
Snyder directing a Peacemaker solo movie would be funny. Ruin what the new generation likes about PeaceCena

>>149677660
>my opinions are everyone's opinions

>>149677595
>and didn’t embarrass anyone to build someone else up.
Lex is taken out by the dog and is literally crying from people saying mean things on tv.

>>149678634
what is one substantial unique innovative thing that Superman did

>>149678997
>>149677595
What is wrong with defeating the scheming manipulator with humiliating means and hoisting him with his own petard, and whatnot? It's classic stuff. Would you rather Supes just pound him into pulp or something.

>>149679026
Unironic sincerity and positivity.

Fillion being cast as Guy is actually a pretty fucking priceless punchline to all those years of him voicing Lanterns. Masterful gambit, DC.

There wasnt much goodwilld. All astroturfing, toys are already on clearance.

I already predicted they will add more Lobo to the Supergirl movie, and it became reality. It will be marketed as SG + Lobo movie to see if they can get the momoa bucks.

They will quietly cancel the obscure shit that wont sell, and focus on WW, Batmand and JL asap. This was clearly mandated by executives. Gunn wanted a "im a comic book nerd" structure. But they ran the numbers and now its Batman, WW and JL.

After Supergirl fails there will be an inside fight between the people that think putting Pattinson, the only character that is liked without astroturfing, in the DCU. But Reeves will have enough cards to defend his universe.

Then they will rush Infinite Crisis (which I assume was their initial 10 years plan since they cancelled the Tomorrowverse and removed a lot of important movies so you cant watch it on hbo max anymore). And finish the universe there. They will try to save face by saying this was always the plan.

spoiler: the next universe after that one will fail too. And the next.

If you want to put an end to the horrors you just have to give a single man 500m, yes, that man, and we can all move on. Its cheaper than the bots, the marketing, the toys unsold, etc.

>>149679100
>sincerity and positivity
Where? Gunn's "sincerity and positivity" in that movie were faker than Chris Pratt's entire wholesome chungus persona.

>>149679353
>Gunn wanted a "im a comic book nerd" structure.
Gunn wanted an excuse to do The James Gunn Movie Story again with JLI.

>>149679464
right here

>>149679480
Gunn doesn't believe a bit of what's being sold here.

>>149673991 (OP)
What I'm afraid will happen is that there will be some sort of incident because people assumed that the Clayface movie is rated R in the way that Deadpool's trilogy was rated R, when no, it sounds like it's supposed to be rated R in the sort of way that "The Fly" is rated R

>>149679515
how do you know?

>>149679547
The vibes of the whole movie. Like I said, gives me the same sort of vibes Chris Pratt does.

>>149679568
>The vibes of the whole movie
that's funny, I got a sincere and positive vibe from the whole movie

>>149679649
You're either a shill or a retard.

>>149673991 (OP)
Livestream Gunn's resignation like it was a reality show.

>>149679685
You're brown.

>>149679568
>>149679685
>>149679515
Anon, I think you're just a bitter person.

>149679697
it's kinda of hilarious seeing shills using racism to shill a superman movie

>>149679770
good morning saar the Gunn is being very bad please to be bringing back the Snyder

>>149678997
Of course Lex is crying. He genuinely believes he’s in the right and his plan got fucked up. It was a huge hit to his ego.

>>149676304
Jason Momoa's entire job in Hollywood is to show up, take his shirt off, and look hot because executives know he gets women's asses into seats.
Aquaman was one of the few snyderverse movies to be an absolute unambiguous success and it's because it was just Jason Momoa running around with his hair down and shirt off punching people

>>149679515
Why do you lie? Are you one of those weirdos that still think Gunn should be cancelled?

>>149678997
>Lex is taken out by the dog
without a suit of power armor what is lex, an unmodified baseline human, supposed to do against a kryptonian?
he gets taken out by batman punching him in the face in justice league stories, physical durability has never been lex's deal

>>149676244
>ho even used the same excuse for invading that Russia did for Ukraine is totally Israel.
anon, in the movie they're a U.S ally and that's also the justification given for why Superman shouldn't interfere......that's not the situation with Russia/Ukraine at all.
a corrupt government allied with the U.S abusing its status and american protection to invade a weaker country full of brown third worlders and mass murder them while crying foul when an american tries stopping them is way closer to israel than the russia-ukraine war. If it was meant to be Ukraine then Boravia would have been a former soviet country and historical enemy of the U.S invading a small U.S ally who couldn't resist without american aid.

>>149680025
Nah its russia + trump is a putin puppet shit the libs were parroting. It simply took too long to release, and since now the pulic opinion is on Israel it looks like Israel, but it was clearly Russia + trumpist evil america against Ukraine.

>>149673991 (OP)
They fuck up Batman.

Pattinson will obviously not fit in the DCU, and anyone arguing otherwise is blind.

I honestly think they need to go for a Danny O'Neil version of the character.
-Still has darkness, but a very human side as well
-Importance on detective skills and outthinking enemies
-Can get along well with other League members, despite being more reserved than the rest.

Superman did well enough to prove that the mainline heroes can sell at the BO, but not well enough that WB feels confident enough in the C-Listers that Gunn wants to push. It is unfortunate, but we are just going to run through the A listers for the most part again, and Gunn needs to steer these movies into success.

>>149680326
Why does everyone forget they already announced the DCU Batman is a Batman and Son film with Bruce and Damian?

>>149674283
Iron Man and Batman Begins did not do crazy numbers. It's what comes after that will define the success of this rebootverse.

>>149678283
Yeah, it's a weird take

>>149678321
I really hope we get to see the New Gods in their proper glory eventually. Hope we see Darkseid as a big bad too.

>>149678209
>that man has a fetish for selecting ugly women
>Pom
>Gillen
>Moner
>Mrs. Maisel and her khazar milkers
>two honest to god bimbos
huh?

>>149680389
Because this week Gunn said he was open to the idea and that nothing is set. But right now is no. They are running numbers bro. This is not charity. And the numbers are not quite on the greener green.

(What Gunn said is that if it goes to shit they will have to bring Pattinson even if Gunn doesnt want it, and its forced to bring him. Clearly the creative control is going to be reevaluated).

If the executives think Pattinson is the key to save the Gunnverse, Pattinson will be there. Reeves and Gunn cannot stop it. The only one that can stop is Pattinson.

>>149680617
That fat latina round faced hawkgirl is ugly.

>>149680632
upset that she's not underage anymore?

>>149680654
Cant even remember who was Hawkgirl because I ddint watch Black Adam. But yes, she is fat, round faced, ugly and unironically looks underaged now that you mention it.

>>149680668
none of those adjectives are true

except maybe the underaged part, she does look young still

>>149680401
This. That anon also forgot that it's also just doing really well, all things considered. It had a LOT going against it but is running circles around Fantastic Four, which you might even argue to be the better movie (although I preferred Superman).

>>149674145
Supergirl is going to be carried by Jason Momoa's Lobo. I'm guessing her movie is going to end like the cartoon movie and Superman makes her live with the Clarks to learn Christianity.

>>149680691
oh well then blame the makeup and costume department. She looks chubby and flabby in the movie.

>>149678258
I know it's probably not likely but I want to see what Gunn could do with Toyman. The other villains are rather obvious but I genuinely think that Toyman has potential to be Batman's Mr. Freeze. He's got a great gimmick as it is.

>>149679770
Yeah I loved the movie but that is objectively stupid.

>>149679966
Then why did the second one fail?

>>149680721
I think your eyes just don't work

>>149680793
2 main reasons.

1. Gunn gave "his notes" to Aquaman and Flash. Ivan Drago can testify they filmed a different movie. On top of they shuffling batmen around when Keaton was going to replace Baffleck. They had to rewrite the last act of Aquaman that included baffleck fighting in the deep ocean. By now you should know by hand the dialog and humor of Gunn so its easy to see what were his notes. Same in the flash. Batman cring with the lasso that he is a privilaged rich white male, is pure Gunn pseudointellectualism. Or Aquaman getting drunk at the end. He thought it was so funny he repeated the same scene with Supergil in Superman.

2. Gunn announcing before those movies released that the universe was ending without a conclusion.

>>149680793
Actually, it didn't. Its the only DCEU movie to make a profit since the first Aquaman and Shazam.

>>149680906
Could have done easily 800m if it had the original third act with baffleck and the moron of Gunn didnt spoil the universe was ending without conclusion.

>>149680943

Well, Batfleck or KeatonBats. They couldn't decide.

>>149680979
Baffleck had a full third act filmed. Keaton was a cameo when they removed bafleck from the movie. Baffleck had a batsubmarine ship and underwater armor suit

>>149679697
Sorry meant for
>>149679649

>>149674130
>>149677827
>>149678004
Oh, ya'll are EVIL evil.

>>149679097
>Would you rather Supes just pound him into pulp
they would
it's vidya game brains

>>149681049
What the hell, they didn't actually film all that, right?