Thread 149690211

One of the top tier supervillains in comics and for the foreseeable future his last appearance ever in film is in a Paul Rudd slopfest.

I only caught him in the Season 2 finale of Loki. what did he do afterwards?

>>149690278
He was in the third Ant Man film with spy kids Modok

I still honestly think the best thing to do was to just recast and then make him work. Featuring him as the next big bad after Thanos was a cool and original idea and they also shouldn't have fucked up with him for Quantumania like they did. They should've just saved Doom for the next saga.

>>149690211 (OP)
It says it all that EMH did him so perfectly while making him one of the biggest badasses in the show while the MCU fumbled him on every conceivable level. Also the fact Kang has his mask off so much in the MCU still pisses me off, the blue face is literally the most defining design element besides the green and purple future suit.

>>149690211 (OP)
He just appeared in the last Avengers story arc and is going to appear again soon

>>149690335
Dude who is known for having infinite versions of himself can't be recast apparently

>>149690278
>>149690315
He literally jobbed off-screen in What If

>>149690211 (OP)
The bigger tragedy was killing Rico Dredd in the first year of the comics.

>>149690211 (OP)
it's amazing that not only can failed movies ruin your favorite comic characters but now their actors being off screen shitheads can ruin your character too. It's like your comicbooks can draft Ryan Leaf now.

>>149691038
Honestly now that Kang is remaining niche I can continue to be a pretentious comicfag with him

>>149691495
To be fair that's where he's at his best besides EMH. Kang thinking Conan was one of his most worthy foes says enough on how dope Kang is and I kinda liked his odd team up with Black Cat, kinda wish it went on longer.

>>149690211 (OP)
hes shit

>>149693582
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>>149690211 (OP)
Kang was never good.

>>149693699
Why do people really like to say that yet never actually provide evidence or elaborate on this claim

>>149693900
Usually it's people who don't read Avengers trying to have opinions on an Avengers villain. Basically casuals whose argument is that "he wasn't in Spider-Man or X-Men so I don't know him so he can't be good."

>>149693939
Shame since Kang genuinely is a pretty fun bad guy, like his character history is pretty convoluted and confusing with Rama-Tut, Immortus but I think he's got a fun personality that can balance being a honourable enemy who respects his opponents or a total amoral scumbag that nuked Washington or held a big blaster to a pregnant Jessica Jones while threatening a younger version of himself. He can also be a massive threat with his high tech arsenal/combat experience while still being fallible since Captain America can beat him in a fist fight when he's got none of his tech behind him which makes him feel powerful but not wanked off to much like Dr Doom at his worst despite also being a great villain. Lastly the fact he's someone who has essentially won and rules his era so goes to the past for challenges is pretty rad while adding an interesting facet to his character. Honestly the variant stuff is the least interesting thing about him and usually works better when it highlights what makes the main Kang so effective or how he's not above killing versions of himself for his goals and that he doesn't use it as cope when he loses like Doombots or the Thanosi.

>>149690211 (OP)
it was funny watching him in EMH around the same time they dropped him from the MCU. it only reinforced how good this guy is to me that he won't be fully tramped on like Ultron was.

>>149694837
Everything about how he's done in EMH makes his fumbling in the MCU utterly embarrassing. From how his voice actor sells both the dignity yet pompous, condescending and sneering personality compared to Majors just not selling the character. From how creative his arsenal is with both cool energy weapons in his suit like an Ultraseven esque head beam, a net barrier that can shoot orb segments or pulling weapons from portals compared to how he just does generic hand blasts in Quantamania that doesn't even have the great green colour used in the cartoon.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqRC9QcXh-k

>>149690684
That show just did everyone better

>>149690211 (OP)
>One of the top tier supervillains in comics

>>149695022
>Apocalypse in Sentai cospay.jpg

>>149695022
I actually liked how they gave a sympathetic element to him with Ravonna and saving his future but don't erase the fact that he wants to conquer the past regardless, assassinate a man from history and generally is willing to massacre people for his own empire.

>>149695063
Funny enough Apocalypse has some slight history with Kang when he was Rama-tut. Surprised they've not done more with that or had Kang fight Apocalypse in a David and Goliath style match.

>>149695119
No one cares enough about Future Doctor Doom to have Apocalypse job to him.

>>149695104
Most of that is all rooted in stories from the Silver Age comics. Kang's love for Ravonna showed he wasn't totally evil, that there was good in him, but not enough for him to change his ways. Once Kang had the power over life and death, he sought this power so he could revive Ravonna, but once he got it, he tried to use it to kill the Avengers instead.

>>149695146
Enough writers care enough to still use Kang even in comics written in the 2000's or after the MCU dropped him. Plus Kang and Dr Doom are only superficially similar in being high tech despots, even when they've interacted it highlights enough fundamentals differences between them in personality or methods.

>>149695154
Kang and Ravonna have such a delightfully messy relationship in how they seem to love each other yet are also utterly unhealthy and fundamentally should not be together. It's interesting cause I've seen some other stories and writers make Kang seek out other woman and he's one of the few comic villains with an actual sex drive considering he has a few sons.

Imagine if Kang got bored of being a big bad type villain and decided to larp as a bank robber scale bad guy for fun, the kind that hangs at the Bar with No Name

>>149695022
Really needs a revival.

What are some good Kang comics? I've always thought the character was cool.

>an OC from a 90s Superman show is a better Kang than the one from MCU
Embarrassing.

>>149695344
Kang has an actual sex drive, but seems to have no other use for women who aren't Ravonna or sometimes Mantis. And in addition to having his own sons, he keeps stealing the children of superheroes to raise as his own.

>>149695366
Avengers Forever and Busiek's Kang Dynasty are the major recommenders but this list can let you pickup and drop into his numerous appearances.
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=115

>>149690684
If you hate that then just wait for what they do with Doom. He's probably never going to wear the mask at all.

I get that these big movie stars want their faces seen but one of THE most iconic film villains is Darth Vader and he spent almost all of the original trilogy in a mask that couldn't emote. It can work if you have confidence in the material.

>>149695396
I'm surprised they never had Kang seduce and mold a version of Cassie Lang into his right hand woman considering Iron Lad his younger version's attraction to her

>>149695475
>Avengers Forever and Busiek's Kang Dynasty are the major recommenders
Avengers Forever's not really a comic for entry-tier readers, and Kang Dynasty is an epic that lasted about 1.5 years, probably better to start off with earlier, smaller stories and get a taste for what Kang's like.

>>149695490
Probably because she's still a minor, and there's no aged-up future version of her yet.

They've also never really done anything with Ravonna's original appearance having a strong resemblance to Wanda, either. Not even when Immortus' big master plan revolved around her.

Oddly, despite the story where Kang and Mantis were a couple getting retconned, the last time they met, they still acted like they had history.

>>149695510
Fair point but usually with Kang stories those are the first mentions. It's pretty hard to recommend stories for Kang since he's appeared so much, the main stuff I've personally read with him recently was Savage Avengers and bits of Uncanny Avengers that and the weird Was and Havok pairing plus Kang having their daughter hostage that never gets follow up. Also read the one Kang story just before Under Siege where he has the cape plus Ravonna with him.

>>149695563
Yeah it's funny cause there's the brief period where Dr Doom fancied Wanda also. Ravonna also got done super lame in the MCU with the boring design, hell making her black wasn't even an issue since EMH changed her race but still have her a cool design. Honestly I've always liked the characteristic that Kang actually has an interest in woman, I'm surprised it never came up when Black Cat helped him rob that place recently with him letting her see her dad as a reward.

>>149695648
>Wasp and Havok pairing plus Kang having their daughter hostage that never gets follow up
Probably due to Remender quitting Marvel and nobody else caring about his shipping. A decade or two from now maybe a continuity autist will bring the kid back, all grown up and raised by Kang. And he's probably a better parent than Jan would be.

>Also read the one Kang story just before Under Siege where he has the cape plus Ravonna with him.
That's the one that introduced Kang teaming with other multiversal counterparts of himself. In the long run that probably did more harm than good, so naturally it was one of the concepts the MCU was immediately drawn to.

>>149693900
>>149693939
Í've seen some say they're just not into his brand of time travel bullshit

>>149695740
That's fair but I think it's fun when it's uses to emphasis his capability, motives or more so how he interacts with characters. Admittedly it could be simplified but maybe growing up with Doctor Who gives me time travel tolerance. I personally prefer time travel when it's used for settings or visuals such as Kang's design that mixes elements of the past and future together.

>>149695695
>Ravonna also got done super lame
What, you don't like generic martial arts chick #273653453?

>>149695695
Like with Sue in FF stories, or Jean and Storm in X-Men stories, being the main heroine through a lot of Avengers history meant Wanda was one of those girls a lot of guys just fell in love at first sight with, and even villains got horny for. It worked on a lot of readers too.

I do not care for race changing in general, about the only positive thing I can say is at least back then it was usually restricted to minor characters. It was bad enough when 90s iterations of Ravonna just kept changing hair color and getting further away from her original look.

I kind of got the sense Felicia would have been on board with getting it on with Kang if he'd made a move.

>>149695740
A warlord from the future who's conquered everything there is to conquer, and has now come back in time to fight superheroes who held legendary status in his own time is pretty straightforward and fun as time travel villains go.

Kang only gets convoluted when you start factoring in him having earlier identities and future selves plus multiverse stuff, and all of that can just be avoided when someone just wants to tell a normal Kang story.

>>149695695
>there's the brief period where Dr Doom fancied Wanda
in fairness they're both gypsies so that's common ground

>>149695045
>x-fag hands typed this.

>>149695154
The thing a lot of older stories understood was that while a good villain needs his reasons and emotional depth of character, these weren't meant to be seen as excuses. Nobody was going "OH BOO HOO POOR KANG THERE THERE YOU DIDNU DO NUFFIN." No he was a villain to be stopped. The nuance was there to give us something to reflect on, to see how we might fall so easily without caution and strength of characters. So many villains with backstories like Magneto use it to garner pity and treat it as a get out of jail free card.

>>149695812
Yeah gotta admit the idea of pairing Kang and Felicia did have appeal when I read the issues in the storytime. The personality and character contrast is fun plus I just like heroine on villain even if Felicia has her criminal streak. Speaking of heroines being simped for Wasp has her streak with Whirlwind which has stayed a defining part of his character even now, Living Laser, Magneto and maybe Lizard. It's kind of a thing that sadly doesn't pop up much any more, it's also ignored with recent Kang despite being a very frequent characteristic of him back in the day.

Admittedly with the race stuff it depends for me since if the actor is good or it doesn't clash with the character design it's fine but in cases like the Wrecking Crew in She-Hulk being unrecognisable, It not fitting Kang at all hell I think if they had to race change him then a Korean actor woulda been better or with Domino it changing her entire design distractingly.

>>149695799
She also doesn't even have a fun outfit, just a boring suit and an ugly hairstyle on that show. Plus her showing up means nothing now that Kang got the boot, also odd they made her and also Kang black as if you can't pair a white guy with a black woman though I guess the Vulture has a black wife so maybe I'm being conspiratory.

>>149696034
I'm fucking tired of adaptations in general and MCU in particular nerfing the shit out of comic characters.
I'll let Nolan off the hook because he's at least consistent about it with his setting being "our world but not really", but it really annoys me when you have shit like alien invasions and space gods one second and then adapt a superpowered character in a boring way that may as well be an OC.

>>149695892
Kang does never get the he was right or writers sanding off his edges or existing his actions treatment. Like at most he will help heroes for his own goals and purposes or Iron Lad his younger self had a heroic period but Kang himself never gets the full redemption deal which I do like. This is a man who nuked Washington, got compared to Hitler by himself, had no problem shooting Jessica Jones while she was pregnant and pretty much has no reason to play hero since he rules the 41st century with luxury.

>>149696078
The Serpent Society concept art depresses me cause elements of the cybernetics are pretty cool but all of them having it instead of the healthy mix of varying powers/origins for their capabilities or just wearing boring clothes instead of anything like their comic costumes is so tiring or how they made Gorr just a weird looking guy instead of a cool space creature with the head tendrils which is more egregious since they did a statuette of his comic design. What is in your opinion the worst case of them sanding off everything interesting visually or just generally adaption wise in the MCU?

My last hope for him getting a cool current adaption is that he gets to be playable in either Marvel Rivals or Tokon. Showing up in Marvel Cosmic Invasion would also be nice but it's unlikely he'd get to be playable and just be a cool boss.

>>149690211 (OP)
Kang was never cool.

>>149696127
>What is in your opinion the worst case of them sanding off everything interesting visually or just generally adaption wise in the MCU?
The Eternals in general?

>>149696208
That's cheating but also not wrong. Sersi and Ikaris get the worst of that considering their quite solid comic costumes. Though I'm biased towards her leotard costume with the thigh highs and the nice hair.

>>149696034
>as if you can't pair a white guy with a black woman
I feel like this is more common then ever.

>>149696294
Yeah especially since they broke up Misty and Iron Fist or how Black man and white woman or black couples seem more common yet there's a suspicious lack of WGBF. Like I normally don't have race portrayal conspiracies cause that's silly but this has been in my head slightly. Anyway more on topic, I still think Imhotep's actor, Raul Julia when he was alive or Peter Serafonowicz reprising Kang from the Lego Game woulda been better casting then Majors.

>>149696127
I have plenty of gripes with the way MCU adapts characters but the ones that infuriated me the most were
>Thanos
Yeah, he's still a big purple alien but he's so... mundane compared to his comic self. He has no cosmic powers without his glove, mainly just fighting like a generic brawler who punches very hard. And I know how controversial it is, but I'm not a fan of his motivation either. It's just more of that mundanity that drags him down from being a near-mythical figure to a banal ecoterrorist.
>Klaw
I know people love Andy Serkis, but I'm not a fan of him being some fat guy who just gets killed by Killmonger like a wimp.
>Nuke
First off, he's not really a more cynical look on what Captain America would be like when it concerns wars like Vietnam rather than WWII, he's a standard drug addicted boyfriend allegory.
Second, he's not a half-human half-cyborg super soldier, he's basically a psycho cop hopped up on painkillers. Even Aaron with his Ultimate Nuke/Captain America of Vietnam did a better job.

>>149696500
Oh man you reminded me of how pissed I got that Klaw, probably Black Panthers most iconic villains and a major Fantastic Four bad guy just got discarded like nothing. They didn't even give him his sound form at all which is such an easy excuse to bring him back and when you've got the master of mocap, Andy Serkis already playing him. Genuinely such a waste of a great actor and a great villain. Also yeah I did find it odd how Thanos was lacking his other abilities, like maybe they felt it'd been to much alongside the Infinity gauntlet but it did standout as odd. Also yeah honestly though I don't mind his motives in the MCU it does feel lose that odd mix of relatable yet grandeur of him being in love with Death...who they ended up bringing into the MCU later anyway so changing his motive is retroactively pointless.

I always forget Nuke was even in the MCU, Sidewinder/Seth Voelker also got the made grounded and visually dull deal which is a shame since they got a good actor to play him yet they didn't even give him his costume and it's teleporting ability.

The fact the MCU has Baron Zemo but did Civil War with him out of a costume instead of adapting Under Siege which is his most prominent Avengers arc still is a giant disgrace.

>>149696500
>>149696601
Oh I LOVE the BP movies but killing off Klaw was genuinely a huge misstep. For so many reasons. I think you both covered it but I just want to say that they also kinda built him up in AoU too. But also yeah, Serkis is not only HUGELY talented but is also one of the greatest mocap actors, and that's on top of Klaw being BP's archnemesis. Huge fucking mistake and I hope they course correct, along with recasting T'challa eventually.

Klaw should've become a sound ghost, gotten his iconic look, and then come back repeatedly as a psycho for hire type, fighting BP, the Avengers, and the FF here and there. But always with BP as his #1 archenemy.

Honestly the way the MCU has handled villains aside from a few, like Killmonger, Thanos, and the Spider-Man villains, has been atrocious. So many iconic villains that they just completely misused. Like fucking MODOK.

>>149696636
Baron Strucker was also built up in Winter Soldier's post credit and then just thrown away to be killed off screen in Age of Ultron, Batroc was kept alive in the Winter Soldier but then cheaply killed in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. This is why I never take the whole killing the villains talk thing seriously cause the MCU is the greatest consequence of having access to a giant library of villains and wasting, killing and just doing them a massive disservice. It's weird cause while I hated how they adapted MODOK as a joke, I thought Darren Cross as Yellowjacket was actually a pretty fun villain, nothing revolutionary but he was fun as the sleazy businessman that goes on a power trip.

Also one villain thought actually got done well was High Evolutionary. They play him as this absolute bastard and a representation of every awful narcissistic abusive parent which is very different to his comic version but it still works as a compelling villain you want to see lose. Red Skull was also done decently even if he doesn't get to be as utterly evil and the scale of his comic version on terms of affecting the setting.

EMH was a great show not just for it's depiction of the heroes, solid writing, great casting, top notch action scenes and character designs but lastly cause every villain that showed up in the show was given justice when the MCU dropped the ball.

>>149690211 (OP)
I liked him up until he got torn to shreds by ants and modok.

>>149696709
The generic evil politician in TWS should've been Red Skull in disguise.
Would've been fun juxtaposing him adapting to a modern world with the way Steve did.

>>149696739
eh I wouldn't have liked that, I like your idea of bringing him to the 21st century but I think just revealing him to be Red Skull sorta cheapens the plot and makes him an easy villain to objectively hate. I think Pierce being this close friend of Fury who was always a double-agent all this time and wanted to be the architect to a modern-day Hydra takeover of the world is more compelling because ultimately he's just one among many faces of a secretly growing Hydra

>>149696709
>This is why I never take the whole killing the villains talk thing seriously cause the MCU is the greatest consequence of having access to a giant library of villains and wasting, killing and just doing them a massive disservice
Seriously and even if you think it's silly that they somehow walk away, maybe write the movies in such a way that they somehow escape and it's not really the heroes' fault. Maybe it was part of their elaborate plan. Maybe something threw a wrench into the heroes' actions and they took advantage of the chaos and got them the fuck out of there. Maybe they struck a deal with the powers that be and managed to avoid death or prison time. Idk just do SOMETHING other than just wasting these iconic villains. I'm not even saying that they should never die. But give them at least a few meaningful appearances where they actually get to do shit and be entertaining as fuck before getting murked.

>EMH was a great show not just for it's depiction of the heroes, solid writing, great casting, top notch action scenes and character designs but lastly cause every villain that showed up in the show was given justice when the MCU dropped the ball.
Dude, I first watched EMH when I was only really familiar with X-Men, Spider-Man, and Black Panther baddies, and I ended up loving the hell out of them. They're done so much justice there and without leaning on the MCU too.

>>149696739
>The generic evil politician in TWS should've been Red Skull in disguise.
Only ever using LITERALLY CAP'S MOST ICONIC VILLAIN AND ARCHENEMY once and then having him a be a cameo in Endgame was such a letdown.

>>149696763
>MOST ICONIC VILLAIN AND ARCHENEMY
Goddamnit, thanks for reminding me.
HULK NEVER FUCKING INTERACTED WITH THUNDERBOLT ROSS AFTER THE INCREDIBLE HULK
Abomination was all but forgotten about. I think at best he got an offhand mention in Agents of SHIELD until he got a cameo in Shang-Chi and was completely ruined in that godawful She-Hulk show. I hope Rick and Morty writers never find another job in their lifetime, I hate it so much.

>>149696739
It's funny cause EMH did just that and that's what I thought was gonna happen in the film try first time I saw it, hell was why was excited for thinking Kang would get in till saw the casting and how I got let down with Baron Strucker. Ironman Armoured Adventures was how the Mandarin reveal let me down and the utter waste of A.I.M. It would genuinely have made for a good way to draw parallels between Steve and Schmidt since you'd have Captain America's lost yet hopefully view point contrasting to Red Skull's hateful lense but also seeing opportunity with how the leap in power of the era. Though my first thought is just him showing disdain if he saw a mixed race couple, looking scornfully through a WW2 museum dedicated to Cap and try Howling Commando's or even being petty and revealing himself to Peggy Carter in her dementia ridden state to gloat and just torment her knowing she isn't sound enough to reveal his secrets.

>>149696091
>Kang does never get the he was right or writers sanding off his edges or existing his actions treatment.

I didn't say he did. That was half my point.

>>149696739
It was so stupid what they did with Skull in IW/End Game. He was just there so fans would go OMG IT'S SKULL! But he has no meaning or purpose there. Why was his final send off not with his mortal enemy. They really could have used Skull in place of Zemo to do a proper thunderbolts.

>>149696796
>HULK NEVER FUCKING INTERACTED WITH THUNDERBOLT ROSS AFTER THE INCREDIBLE HULK
It's very weird how we never got another Hulk movie. It's very weird how BNW was sorta a sequel to FAWS while also being a sequel to Incredible Hulk at the same time.

But yes, the decisions they make with the villains has been fucking baffling. I like what Coogler has done with BP for the most part but they've already exhausted through most of the good villains there.

>>149696843
Yeah I was agreeing with you and just elaborating with my perspective from your last sentence. Didn't mean to come off as accusatory or like I didn't read the post.

>>149696763
EMH is funny in that even the villains that get at most like 10 minutes of screen time also get to be cool. Like the Wrecking Crew, Absorbing Man and even Blizzard n Radioactive man who die later are given a lot of character while being able to feel credible in their brief screentime. That show is 80% of why I've become such a big fan of Kang as a villain and Hank Pym as a hero.

Ironman Armoured Adventures also does a great job adapting villains with very fun versions of Killer Shrike, Unicorn, Whiplash and some of my fave takes on Mandarin and Crimson Dynamo. Making Crimson Dyna's armour a cosmonaut themed machine with him essentially being an insane astronaut wanting revenge for the years stolen from him abandoned in space or playing up Gene Khan as a direct counterpart and ally to Ironman with them both I totally unaware of the others secret identity plus the Mandarin costume being this super badass terracotta looking armour summoned with the Makluan Rings was just peak.

>>149696951
As somebody who otherwise hates Purple Man, his EMH episode was the only time I ever found him cool in any media.
EMH was simply magical like that.

>>149696989
EMH was a perfect show and I miss it every day. Also yeah they made Purple Man work not just visually but by keeping his shitheel personality but without the tryhard rapeyness and made it satisfying that once his powers cancelled out then he's a wormy no name who gets toppled like nothing. Purple Man reminds me a lot of Frank Miller's Yellow Bastard, honestly the voice actor in EMH had a similar performance too that adds to it.

how long before a Bendis crashout subsumes this thread too now that Purple Man was mentooned

>>149696951
Armored Adventures was pure kino I hate that they stopped all these animated shows just for sovlless MCU synergy trash

>>149697108
I think it helped is that he never ovestayed his welcome. Being an episodic one-off villain is perfect for Purple Man.
The writers knew this and didn't try (and fail) to make him some big bad who could carry an entire season.

>>149697151
Hopefully not so I'll just say happy he never touched Kang and also Purple Man is oddly not used much in Marvel smut despite his power set/canon sleazery.

>>149697151
You're the only one constantly bringing up Bendis when nobody mentions him, then cry about "crashouts".

>>149697233
nah I was talking about that one faggot in the Quantumania thread and everybody who keeps baiting him, but yeah I think Purple Man isn't really a big villain for most heroes which is why he only makes sense for either one-off appearances. or when he's preying on smaller characters and not heavy-hitters like Avengers or F4

>>149697188
It's a shame cause Assembled doesn't have a bad design for Kang plus Steve Blum does a decent job as him in that show and also that Future Avengers anime but as a whole it's pretty much as you said soulless, even it's adaption of Thunderbolts is a massive miss. Honestly it's a shame the Ironman Armoured adventures team never did a Captain America show since would love to see how they would've adapted the villains like Baron Zemo, The Serpent Society and especially the lovely ladies, Maria Hill in IMAA is such a babe and the voice actress helps a ton in that to.

>>149697256
I've always liked Controller more then Purple Man, I think he's just got a cooler design, a more compelling backstory that gets ignored and how sidelined Basil gets makes me wish he got his big break. Oddly recently I thought he'd make a great rogues gallery transfer for Hank Pym honestly, especially since he had that giant monster form in Slott's Ironman

>>149697284
Purple Man's every story is basically.
>Purple Man does evil shit
>a hero shows up
>they easily bypass his mind-control/are immune to it all along
>Purple Man is knocked out effortlessly
He's not really somebody who makes for an interesting spectacle or has intricate plans like Joker.
He's simply not a very interesting villain. The writers tried to edge him up with the rape shit and make him "disturbing" in order to elevate him, but IMO that doesn't work either.
Controller at least can put up a fight without his mind-control.

>>149697362
Controller also has a lot more variety since he can use his Control Discs to make heroes fight, gain information for his plans/have pawns, get stronger off of the mental energy they siphon and since he's more of a for profit/power minded villain meaning he uses his mind controlling in more varied ways and also tends to have no problem working with other villains means he has a lot more character chemistry without factoring in his history as a veteran Ironman villain. But as you said him being able to actually throw hands with people like Captain America, Captain Mar-vell and Spider-man means his mind control isn't just a crutch despite the fact he's literally crippled. The sleaziest thing Controller has done with his powers was kiss Monica Rambeau and get kinda fixated on Maria Hill.

>>149690211 (OP)
>Be time travelling conqueror because you bored
Based and unique villain

There is nothing Kang is needed for that The Maker can't be used for instead.

>>149690211 (OP)
You sayin' we some kind of Kangz Dynasty?

>>149698687
I'm still holding out hope for The Maker in Doomsday and Secret Wars. It'd be interesting if the Fan4stic Reed turned out to be him, but I'd be fine with a brand new one too.

>>149690211 (OP)
They got wiped out off screen in a Captain Carter wank fest cartoon

>One of the top tier supervillains in comics
lmao
This dude literally got bullied in most his appearances for a bulk of his history.

>>149696860
>It's very weird how we never got another Hulk movie.

It’s not weird, it’s entirely due to the rights and Hulk not being big enough blockbuster draw. Universal still retains the rights for solo Hulk movies so Disney would rather use him in movies they retain full control.

>>149697362
Purple Man works as a vile piece of shit mind control villain for street level characters. Because he can make random people do self harm or turn a mob into his goons and heroes have to deal with not wanting to harm innocent people and figure out how to get around it

>>149698767
>Hulk not being a big enough blockbuster draw
He was one of Marvel's most consistently popular characters since his debut and before the MCU but you are correct on the rights stuff

>>149698752
at least Kang takes his losses and defeats without huffing the Doombot or it was beneath me to win copium

>>149698704
as long as it's not Pedro again

>>149690335
There's no way they could have made him work, he is a time traveler, and we saw from the dull idiot fest of endgame that they cannot do a time travel plot in any interesting way.
I like Kang, but he's not writable by moron comittee

>>149697362
that's why I said he's best suited for preying on smaller characters and not heavy-hitters, like >>149698778 said he's best suited for street-level heroes, but I feel like Mr. Negative largely has the same domain covered so Purple Man isn't really relevant anymore

>>149698752
Not as fun as when Ultron gets lippy with galactus so he just drains his battery and kills him

>>149699049
Mr Negative has the mind control stuff sorta alongside actually having a personality and capability to provide interesting action Plus that one panel of him using his corrupting touch on Yuri Watanabe was yum

>>149699168
>spoiler text
got an image?

>>149695022
They should have just copied this plotline with his empire being wiped out due to the Avengers using time fuckery to undo Thanos' snap. Then he calculates that if he kills off certain heroes that were bought back from the snap he can save his future, so sets out to assassinate Spider-Man and others.

>>149698778
I'm sure, many other villains could brainwash civilians (maybe not through innate powers but other means) and being vile is not a substitute for entertaining personality. Because even pure evil psychopaths like Joker, Sabretooth or Reverse-Flash, hell even Carnage are all entertaining, so they're not just all edge despite what /co/ would lead you to believe.
Purple Man has a very boring personality and an equally boring design.
>>149699168
Same goes for Mr. Negative, but at least he has cooler powers and him being a crime boss/philantropist offers more versatility in how he can be used.

>>149699181
admittedly could be sexier but it's currently inspiring my Ghostlessm comm so it's doing the job.

>>149699425
I'm kinda surprised Mr Negative has never fought Iron Fist or Psylocke. He's at least faced Cloak and Dagger, even making them swap light and darkforce which was neat.

>>149699538
>Iron Fist or Psylocke
why those two characters?

>>149699938
street level martial artist who's teamed up with Spidey before plus mutant ninja lady with a sword plus psychic energy seems like a fun match against a another swordsman though with darkforce derived powers. I'm mostly thinking from an exciting fight scene perspective and not really characterization, origin connections and only vague thematic similarity to be honest

>>149698752
Ultron is the superior Avengers villain.

>>149698687
>I don't want a classic Lee/Kirby Avengers villain
>I want Reed Richards becoming an evil cuck in a stupid hat just because Sue broke up with him
Why are you like this?

>>149698767
It's only distribution rights to Hulk movies that Universal retained, and it's been almost 20 years, did Universal get permanent distribution rights or something?

>>149698929
Historically, Hulk was always the second most recognizable Marvel hero to normies, because of the old TV show, so Hollywood expected Hulk movies to do close to Spider-Man numbers. The two Hulk movies we got made money, but not the amount of money Hollywood expected, which seems to be why Disney hasn't cared about making a new Hulk movie.

>>149699052
>>149700178
Kang and Ultron both had a bad time of it in Secret Wars. Kang tries to usurp Doom as the bad guy leader and gets killed for it, while Ultron gets shut down by Galactus right at the start, and spends the rest of the event reprogrammed as Doom's bodyguard. They just had too many high profile villains in one group, so the ones who wouldn't just fall in line behind Doom were dealt with.

>>149700018
you know what fair enough, I kept thinking about lore but I agree, that would be a kickass fight
now my question is which Iron Fist are you thinking?

>>149699426
...yeah I'm not seeing anything "yum" about this panel but you do you anon

>>149690211 (OP)
Marvel couldn’t just slow down a bit.

And end up giving their audience the worst case of Superhero Fatigue possible.

Kang could have probably worked really well as a serious villain. But they threw him away in their shittiest movie out yet.

>>149691038
I remember being a chargers fan and was really excited he was gonna get drafted by them. If you care, he did write a letter to his yourself self, give it a search, it is really good.

>>149695510
This

It's like introducing Jean Grey with the Dark Phoenix saga.

>>149690211 (OP)
>top tier supervillains in comic
literal C list

>>149695740
At least Busiek put in some hard rules about Kang and how he was a fanboy of 'warrior honor', proudly refusing to use time travel to cheat but how it also leaves him no choice when he finds out Marcus helped the Avengers.

>>149695063
>Apocalypse in Sentai cospay.jpg

that would be just normal Apocalypse.

>>149696170
Moviecasual pls go back to /tv/

>>149698687
>>149700206
I really don't get why everyone is so gay for The Maker. He's not even the 4th evil Reed we've seen. It is such a lame concept.

>>149704044
>duuuuuuuuh a character's C-list case I say so despite evidence against it
retard

>>149700810
the real one duh, Danny Rand

>>149701866
i'm pretty much just taking any gal being hypnoed I can get as long as doesn't look silly plus projecting my attraction for Spider-man 1 PS4 Yuri, anyway the comm should be more deliberately sexy once it's started.

>>149700247
Kang tends to get sidelined to prop up Dr Doom or despite being played up as equals is made slightly less equal despite the fact Kang took over the earth genuinely through military might and without needing grand cosmic power the rewrite reality to rule.

>>149690211 (OP)
I do not care for Kang.

>>149690851
You are right but not many are going to know what you mean. People need to bicker about MCU slop.

>One of the top tier supervillains in comics
By what metric? He has no iconic or acclaimed stories. His Kirby FF appearances are classic because they're Kirby, but that's it. The Cosmic Madonna Saga dragged on for far too long and the cool parts involve Mantis and the Cotati despite of Kang, not because of him. The Busiek Saga was far too long and bloated and was ignored even as it was coming out. His plan in Waid's Avengers was completely incomprehensible. He was the most fun as Iron Lad, to be honest. His recent miniseries was okay, but it didn't even fit with previous comics so it had to be an AU. Great all-timer character, right there.

>>149705745
>By what metric? He has no iconic or acclaimed stories.

That's wrong and you're an idiot. God movie fags are worse than cartoon fags.

>>149705815
Why are you posting a picture of a story I already mentioned in my post?

>>149690211 (OP)
Kang was always the lamest of the Fantastic Four universal threats. Galactus, Doom, Annihilus and Molecule Man mog him.

>>149705023
I tend to dismiss people who love The Maker the same way everyone dismisses genuine fans of Batkek or Knull. Rubber Cucky is not a great villain, no matter how much they pretend he is.

>>149706341
he's more of an Avenger's villain though despite debuting in F4 as Rama-Tut?

>>149706533
Many F4 villains are also the villains for other heroes.

>>149706594
Kang is "an FF villain" like Sabretooth is "an Iron Fist villain". It's just where he first appeared, they're not who he usually fights, and he wasn't even Kang yet back then.

>>149706681
reminds me how Constrictor, Boomerang and Killer Shrike started as Hulk villains then sticking with different heroes to mainly fight.

>>149690826
>What If
People watched that?

>>149690211 (OP)
wrong

>>149706341
this

>>149693699
untrue

>>149705815
badass cover art

>>149705476
good good, had to make sure

>>149712043
having a spaceship literally shaped like a sword means anyone saying he is lame is automatically wrong.

>>149712363
well he's the only Iron fist and always will be.

>>149690211 (OP)
He was never cool

>>149690315
>spy kids Modok
So just Modok

>>149713097
well you've given no evidence for the argument so case dismissed as you being a casual of a potential homosexual nature

>>149696159
He'd be a cool main villain for a Cosmic Invasion sequel (or another game mode)
Give an excuse to travel to a bunch of popular alternate timelines/futures/pasts. Like a 2099 level, DoFP level, M2 level, OG GOTG future, whatever Maestro's timeline is called, etc.

>>149713839
fun part is you could even have Kang fight you with the giant hologram he used in Kang Dynasty, make you fight his son the Scarlet Centurion or have one stage being Kang transporting you to fight his alternate versions so he's the one genuine article. I love your idea of the game being a Marvel's Turtles through Time since opens so many creative options for both bosses and stages plucked right from all the crazy time shenanigans in marvel.

>>149713899
I'd assume most bosses would just be dudes who show up in those specific periods. A stage in Eqypt with Rama-Tut would probably happen through.
And considering how this game is already going cosmic, it would be a bit weird to scale back to like a New York/Global level stakes (not impossible) and the only other cosmic guy who could work as a video game villain off the top of my head was Knull. I guess maybe one of the many demonic villains could work too. So, time fuckery seems like it would work as a follow-up.

>>149690211 (OP)
Yes! Aunt may dies in asm #400. Norman never returns.Sins past never happended. Go all the way back to Venoms "Lets Make Deal"

>>149699204
thats exactly what i'd have done.

>>149715020
Had the toy of him from that show

imagine if they pulled out a variant of Kang who is actually Sue in Kang Dynasty before it got shelved

>>149690767
they legally can’t recast him. there’s a rumor that jonathan majors’s contract said only he could play any and all variants of the character.

>>149706681
Same thing with Spiderman and Kingpin, although I still think of Fisk as a Spiderman villain because of the 90s cartoon.

>>149715020
>when you try to redesign and modernize Kang and end up with Annihilus

>>149715145
Are all of them Kang?

>>149717776
Yes

>>149691038
Did Majors actually do anything though?
Just sounds like typical "Believe all women" bullshit where his girlfriend turned out to be a crazy bitch