Thread 149694019

>Everyone is loving superman and not longer consider it a boring character.
bros....

superman is always gonna be popular.
hes basically our version of what romans called gods and pantheons

>>149694019 (OP)
We won.
Despite everything, we won.

>>149694019 (OP)
That's what happens when you stop giving Zack Snyder money.

>>149694019 (OP)
It's psychologically impossible to be normal and hate Clark.
I've wanted to write an essay about it in college but my prof said it'll be better to pick something else
My thesis was that he's a fictional character that symbolizes the pinnacle of good so by hating him you simply hate good things.

>>149694090
Explains a lot about Marvel fans and weebs.

>>149694117
Nta but I was going to say anti-woke idiots and bigots in general.

>>149694056
never kill yourself

>>149694090
From what I've noticed about people close to me who think they don't like Superman, it literally has nothing to do with Superman. They've amalgamated a weird idea of what Superman is in there heads based on a bakers dozen of adaptations and imaginary stories and sort blurred them together into a mish mash of things they dislike.

>>149694141
lol

>>149694178
Zack Snyder films + internet death battle/power level wankery

>>149694211
>>149694077
This is the new strategy now that the film is a confirmed success? Try to stoke division based on directors?
MoS was good, Supergunn was good, fags trying to create a false dichotomy should rope and are probably paid Didney shills.

>>149694241
>MoS was good
It was pure dogshit.
I hated it long before the new Superman movie came out.
Snyder is the reason Superman's reputation was in the toilet for the past decade.

It turns out most of it was just preconceived notions that were easily toppled with actual exposure to the thing they had arbitrarily decided they didn't like. Go figure.

>>149694261
Snyder is what Death Battle people would be like with the rights to make a movie.

I don't have a hate boner for Snyder the way most people do, but I know that he's DC's Michael Bay.
Everything he makes is action packed and cinematic and blah blah blah but ultimately he just wants to smack action figures around ok instead of telling a good or fun story.
That's fun, he can do that but it's not the way to build a movie mythos.

Part of this problem was the market at the time, people seem more willing to accept more goofy and camp stories these days.

It's why I think Gunn was a good choice for Superman, I'm not a fun of Gunn's writing a lot of the time but for now I think he's exposed people to enough characters that people will look to DC for more fun adventures and interesting characters.

>>149694019 (OP)
>Superman movie comes out
>it's not boring
>"Superman is not boring!!!"
It's that simple.

>>149694533
Why couldn't Snyder just do that?

>>149694385
I don't think the new Superman has great writing but what it did do is make people like the characters and want to see more of them, which is incredibly important.
I also thought the first GotG was just okay and the sequels were much better, so I have hope for the future.

MoS this MoS that. What about RETURNS?

>>149694550
Snyder literally said in an interview "if I was gonna do Batman he'd totally get raped." The man turned Watchmen into an action movie. The man is an idiot. He's an idiot who can frame a shot, but he should never have been allowed to do anything more than direct photography.

I think that's part of the reason why 300 "worked." It's probably the closest we've ever gotten to a 1 to 1 comic adaption. Any time Snyder is allowed any creative control, he's going to fuck it up, because his ideas are inherently bad, but any given still from his movies look good.

>>149694619
They called it Returns because you rented it once from Blockbuster and then returned it.

>>149694619
Returns committed the worst sin of all in nerd media: it's too boring to good, but it isn't bad enough to fun to talk about. It was one of the films of all time, is about all that can be said of it.

>>149694646
> "if I was gonna do Batman he'd totally get raped."
Who was gonna rape him? Just curious.

>>149694019 (OP)
Movie flopped though.

>>149694019 (OP)
>>149694693

>>149694019 (OP)
He represents the distinguished competition in a lot of people's heads. A lot of nerds get this idea that "if x didn't exist my hobby would be mainstream and get more content". Indiefags blame capeshit for their comics not reaching sales goals. Weebs blame capeshit for the US not making manga like comics. Marvel fans think DC is leaching off Marvel's success. In the end it's Superman who takes all their aggression cause he's THE DC superhero.

>>149694019 (OP)
Feels good to be a superfan

>>149694019 (OP)
The movie only connected with upper-class American liberals. They're not everybody. That's why they lost the election. And I hate the orange man

>>149694077
Zack's Man of Steel made more money than Superman 2025...even before adjusting for inflation.

Superman was at his peak during the Snyder era.

>>149695637
Capeshit was at its peak during the Snyder era, no thanks to Snyder himself.

Fuck off Gunnshill nobody gives a fuck about Superman.

>>149694019 (OP)
Well aside from the Snyderbros and boomers

>>149694177
framing this post

>>149694019 (OP)
I've been interested in reading some Superman comics. Thanks to the movie I got interested and rewatched a bit of the animated series. What can you guys recommend me?

Side note, I can understand why people hate the Jor El twist. The cartoon, for example, is a very relevant warning on relying on artificial intelligence over trusted authorities like Jor-El, which I feel is more relevant now than ever.

>>149694019 (OP)
Superman movie was great. His comics are still shit though.

>>149695680
Nobody asked you about your opinion Luthor

>>149695708
Superman and the Men Of Steel
For all seasons
All Star Superman
Whatever happened to the man of tommorow
For the man who has everything
Up,up and away
Superman vs the Klan
Superman birthright

>>149695732
Good choices anon, I recently re-read All Star Superman. As good as I remembered many years ago. I'll give it a look at Superman and the Men of Steel, I don't think I ever heard of that one.

>>149695769
Those were just the ones on top of my head. You could try the Peter Tomasi run in DC Rebirth

>>149695769
Superman and the Men of Steel is the first arc from Grant Morrison’s New 52 Action comics

>>149694211
It’s exactly this, I think most people who don’t like the character don’t even dislike that he’s a super nice guy they probably just hate that he can do anything when the situation arises

I honestly thought people just disliked Superman because he didn't had any interesting stories last decade or something. the New 52 came out and I haven't heard anything positive about it regarding Supes.

>>149694090

Your prof should have beaten you to death in the parking lot for being that stupid.

>>149694090
Ok Anon, now I'm curious about your essay because I need some damn good sources for you to explain how hating a fictional character suggest you would hate good things.

>>149694192
Can't help but notice you don't have a real response.

>>149695732
I think For All Seasons and the Men of Steel are the only ones out of here I haven't read yet. But I can vouch for the others. The weakest one is probably Birthright and even that one is pretty decent and has some parts I really like out of it.

>>149695905
>I honestly thought people just disliked Superman because he didn't had any interesting stories last decade or something

No. Superman as a character is inherently uninteresting because he's such an archetypal "hero man" that he doesn't have a single personality trait that isn't a built-in part of that archetype package that every hero inherits. He has the same exact problem as Hal Jordan and Nightwing, who both have the 100% exact same personality: generically heroic man and absolutely nothing original.

Of course, sometimes you WANT to eat butter on white bread. Sometimes you want the most basic thing possible. But it should be easy to figure out what the problem with that is. Gunn had to put 20 other characters into his movie because Superman by himself isn't interesting enough to carry it.

>>149695708
Tying Braniac to Krypton like that was just as "corruptive" and different a twist as Jor-El telling his son to take over Earth.

>>149694192
Can't help but notice you don't have a real response.

>>149695732
I think For All Seasons is the only one out of here I haven't read yet. But I can vouch for the others. The weakest one is probably Birthright and even that one is pretty decent and has some parts I really like out of it.

Thought I hadn't read Men of Steel but turns out that's the first arc of the Morrison nu52 AC run which I loved.

>>149695905
Nah, Morrison's AC run is great, read that. Superman Smashes the Klan is also quite good. And I hear good things about PKJ's run so I need to go ahead and finish it despite starting it a couple of times already.

>>149695952
>No. Superman as a character is inherently uninteresting because he's such an archetypal "hero man" that he doesn't have a single personality trait that isn't a built-in part of that archetype package that every hero inherits. He has the same exact problem as Hal Jordan and Nightwing, who both have the 100% exact same personality: generically heroic man and absolutely nothing original.
Read some fucking comics, ya dimwit.

Hal is a cocky, arrogant dude and a ladies' man with deep rooted insecurity issues due to the death of his father and also going batshit in the Emerald Twilight storyline.

Dick is a charismatic leader who is also a bit of a ladies man, but he's also got a good sense of humor. He's basically Batman but without the brooding or being an asshole.

>>149694211
>internet death battle/power level wankery
I think it genuinely can't be overstated how much negative influence Death Battle had at it's peak

>>149696039
It's a fun idea but man stupid people really do just think power level bullshit is just the end-all, be-all of fiction, don't they?

>>149694019 (OP)
>>149694046
>>149694056
Why do you make posts like these

You're no better than sharty schizos

>>149694019 (OP)
Superman doesn't have to be boring. Writers just have to be creative and come up with something good that makes at least some 'sense'.

Superman is very basic and for that reason he will always be popular the same way that the Three Stooges will always be.

>>149694046
I'm kind of curious to see what the future of cape characters looks like in the next 100 years.

>>149694019 (OP)
Think SG has a chance to be popular with normalfags after the CW nearly destroyed her reputation?

>>149696373
I was having this exact thought, kek.

I hope people at least respect the characters and we get occasional faithful adaptations outside of the comics, if not stuff that also tries something new, every now and then.

>>149694019 (OP)
>people don't consider him an evil god waiting to turn dark or a messy retard with a penchant for collateral damage anymore
god bless Invincible for stealing those fans away and The Boys for stealing muh evil Supes fans away, we can finally have our boy scout American hero Superman again after Snyder nearly ruined it all

>>149694178
Superman = American Imperialism. It's very easy to dislike or not care for him for what he represents and is. You're just the audience for him.

>>149697981
>Turning everything to a political dihictomy
Kill yourself

>movie hasn't even broke even in the box office

>superfags think their power fantasy is popular again

Lol, lmao even

>>149698038
>seething burger
Take your own advice because Superman has been political since day 1 and not liking America isn't a dichotomy, retard.

>>149694019 (OP)
Kindness is the new punk. I hope they go in a similar direction with Batman in the DCU.

>>149696507
>we can finally have our boy scout American hero Superman again
Didn't they drop the "American way" thing from his mission statement? Just wait until they start doing multiverse stuff and they introduce Barack-El with his "peace, justice and equality" shit.

>>149694019 (OP)
What are you talking about, the movie flopped domestically and is limping hardcore overseas, which led to some hilarious cope about Superman's brand recognition.

>>149694019 (OP)
>Everyone is loving superman and not longer consider it a boring character.
Who's "everyone"? You and your boyfriend? Most people still don't care, the last time Superman wasn't boring was in the 2000s with Smallville, but even then, his popularity was far from peak (1970s-1980s).

>>149694019 (OP)
Smallville is still a great show. Get over it.

>>149694077
I always hear in this board how deranged the Snyder fans are, but I'm yet to see a single one. By contrast, I see every day multiple deranged Gunn fans.
Seems Gunnfags was everything we were told Snyderfans were. Projection is such a common thing

>>149698327
yeah but that's a non-issue, the fact that Snyder cast a talentless britbong to play Superman is the real crime

>>149699082
Don't talk shit about Cavill

>149698685
seethe pajet

Why does this movie make people so angry

>>149699562
he's really not that talented of an actor, and Snyder isn't even close to a good enough director to get a good performance out of him.

He seems like a good guy, but he's not winning an Oscar any time soon.

>>149700598
Because of you like this movie, you have to hate the Snyderverse and there are still unironic Snyder fans.

>>149700714
Damn, no one can like both?

>>149694019 (OP)
>Everyone is loving superman
Except China lol

>>149697981
That's super interesting, I'd to see what comics you've read to lead you to this conclusion. You do read comics, right?

>>149700598
Because Gunn is a petty lib

>>149702611
How so?

>>14970207
> Nooo mister "truth, justice and the american way" is not about burger Imperialism
I tried and found the big two weren't for me. Thanks for asking, though. :)

>>149694090
Wait until you hear about Jesus Christ. He was actually a REAL guy who was the symbol, well not really a symbol but the embodiment and pinnacle of good. By hating Jesus, you simply hate good things

>>149701479
Cute pic

>>149696373
I see........a gritty realistic live-action of this, with blood and tits and full of disgusting self-referential meta humor about how this isn't a real superhero movie but instead grabbing a childhood parody and try to ride the capeshit wave anyway, but how that won't stop them from becoming TRUE heroes and a Monkey cameo at the credits, showing it was all real

>>149703015
He is not a fan of Trump or his followers and he is open about it.

>>149694090
>My thesis was that he's a fictional character that symbolizes the pinnacle of good so by hating him you simply hate good things.
your professor was right, that's retarded

>>149704128
And he absolutely should be. If you support Trump or his follows, you are unironically a fucking Nazi and should kill yourself.

>>149704161
Why?

>>149704161
Why you guys hate Trump followers?
I am not american by the way

>>149704128
Damn that's it?

>>149705059
Partially, there's also snydertards who are salty over the DCEU being dead.

>>149703237
I agree, we should follow Jesus's example and embrace radical communism.

>>149694019 (OP)
And all it took was making a movie where he's barely like the character in the comics.

>>149701534
China's opinions are irrelevant

>>149705042
they're retards who voted for a pedophile because he said he'd expose all the pedophiles, then rolled over and took it when he said he wasn't going to expose all the pedophiles after all

>>149706127
Trump's a retard, but his win was expected. The dem's were even worse

>>149694019 (OP)
man this garbage tracer sucks so fucking much. can tell hes a homosexual every time you look at his art too.

>>149706788
The dems were objectively better but not for much. That's the real issue, the bipartisan system is a joke and people are losing their minds

>>149705042
here’s how I would explain it to a non-American: arrogant, overeducated debutantes from the cities and universities basically think they’re better than the working class and resent the fact that they won’t just shut up, take the jab, and stick their head in the sand as Congress gets overrun with pedophiles. they think the January 6th insurgency on the capitol was worse than 9/11.
people in the countryside of America are basically treated by college-educated debutants as backwards and inferior because their mentality, habits, and character are based on the great majority of American people who are being left behind by history.

>>149700727
No, fencesitter, you can't, you have to let me categorize you into group A or group B so I can either hate you on principle or ignore you.

>>149706965
>The dems were objectively better
They weren't. That's why they lost.

>>149706965
> The dems were objectively better but not for much
I don’t know about policies, but in terms of campaigning and reputation? No way

>>149707282
>>149707180
If you want me to say something good about Trump is that he gives his voters what they want, except for the Epstein's list of course. He promised an ethnic cleansing and he's doing it. Meanwhile dem voters wanted healthcare free education and stop supporting the Gaza genocide but Kamala didn't care. The working class is screwed any way bu at least with Trump they have the consolation prize of their daughters not marrying a wetback

fuck off back to /pol/

>>149695708
Here you go Anon.

https://www.mediafire.com/folder/y8sy2269pvgzy/Superman

>>149707420
>Gaza genocide

Actually believing that shit

>>149704771
>>149705042
It's already been pointed out and if you can't see why, I don't know what to tell you. But to spell it out in layman's terms:

>eroding our democracy to the point where he's most definitely going to install himself as dictator of America in 2028
>throwing immigrant and brown people into concentration camps
>reducing funding for education ENSURING THAT THE NEXT GENERATION IS EVEN DUMBER SOMEHOW
>cutting healthcare, financial aid for millions of Americans so that they can no longer afford to go to the doctor or go to school
>keeping ICE on the streets as his personal Gestapo

>>149706995
You have to be some kind of fucking moron to not see that education tends to make a person smarter.

Btw, the pedophiles in Congress are the ones you voted for, you fucking moron.

>>149707135
Over superman movies.

>>149694019 (OP)
Hes still boring and never gonna overtake Batman and Spider-Man in popularity or character likability.

>>149707565
Shalom

>>149705735
Jesus wasn't a commie

>>149694019 (OP)
And all it took was Gunn leaning into the silver age weirdness of the character instead of the umpteenth movie where the Donnor films are copied, Superman stops Lex Luthor from doing something retarded, and romances Lois.

Yeah I know that happens in the new movie too but at least we had giant monster fights and shitposting monkeys. I keep saying Superman would be tolerated by normies more if niggers stopped trying to ape the Donner films in every adaption and just be weird like pic related

I do not understand how anyone can look at gold age Superman and conclude that it's supposed to be political. It just reeks of secondaries talking nonsense.

>>149706995
I see

>>149695952
You just don't read comics

>>149706112
This

>>149706995
This anon speaks the truth

>>149694046
cringe

>>149699069
>I always hear in this board how deranged the Snyder fans are, but I'm yet to see a single one.
newfag

>>149694090
>My thesis was that he's a fictional character that symbolizes the pinnacle of good so by hating him you simply hate good things.
but superman is a dick in half of his stories.
>>149694117
>>149694141
go back yo redd*t

>>149709340
Action Comics #10 is about Superman hearing that a private prison is mistreating its inmates and going to kick the snot out of the prison superintendent.

>>149694090
Fuck you nigger

>>149710725
That's not very political, Superman did many things that were more political and controversial than that.

>>149710753
The treatment of the imprisoned is very political

>>149694046
No, he isn't, you fucking tard.
Superheroes aren't the modern gods, they're the modern classical heroes. Superman isn't Zeus, he's Arthur or Gawain. The Justice League isn't Olympus; it's the Round Table, with their chivalrous acts serving as moral lessons for readers.

>>149709111
>the guy who wanted to redistribute the wealth and hate richfags wasn't a commie
Technically he wasn't because communism was invented almost 2000 years later but he gave the first spark.

>>149709340
Compassion and defending the poor are political now. If a modern issue of Superman had the narrator saying Superman is the champion of the oppressed, chuds would lost their minds. Also Superman was conceived as the champion of the New Deal and that mean healthcare and free education. That's communism on the modern political field

>149710878
Weak bait

>>149710860
He didn't hated rich people, he hated materialism. Also, Jesus respected the authority of Julius Caesar as emperor.

>>149710878
Fucking secundary mentality

>>149710860
I know you retards like to bait with that but if you have actually ready the bible you would know he wasn't a commie or a hippie

>>149712079
Buddy, I ready my bible every day, so I can follow in Jesus's example, kill all the bankers, and destroy the concept of private property, just like the son of God.

>>149695732
>Up,up and away
nice to see people love that storyarc.

>>149704161
>>149707650
You better be under 25 posting this nonsense because if you arent, this is just sad.

>>149705042
Trump is a politician so there are valid reasons to dislike him. The problem is legacy media which at this point is just propaganda (they always claim they're not "news" outlets to courts when they get sued) has a stranglehold on roughly half of America's minds which creates TDS. Ask your average Trump hater where did they hear their latest Trump news from and I guarantee its from some big media outlet. Last election proved most Americans broke free from the brainwashing but more work needs to be done.

>>149695637
Superman The Movie made more money adjusted for inflation that your Hack Cult Leader made from MoS and BvS combined, sister.

>>149712913
>Last election proved most Americans broke free from the brainwashing
barely, we have a long long way to go

>>149696039
Still at it's peak nigga, you see what they did too poor Deku?

>>149695952
I can't fathom so confidently outing yourself as a fucking retard who has never touched a single comic of the characters you're talking about like this

>>149712231
Bait or retardation?

>>149713284
>it's ok when the writers and movie directors do it

>>149713365
He is right tho

>>149694046
>hes basically our version of what romans called gods and pantheons
Oh but when Zack Snyder portrays this it's suddenly a bad thing?

>>149714830
anon is wrong and Zack is wrong. They're mythic heroes like Heracles and Perseus, not gods.

>>149711735
Ad hominems don't help your case.

>>149694693
>>149694702
>>149695637
>>149695680
snyder lost get over it already pajeets

>>149713359
I think you misspelled "based."

>>149708462
Yes

>>149716178
Retardation I see

>>149715691
It's ad hominem when you are a secondary?

>>149717397
I'll pray for you, anon. Hopefully you can someday see the truth as He spoke it.

>>149694241
>MoS was good
The more I started to actually read and watch more Superman stuff, the more I hate Man of Steel it and BvS are truly the worst things to happen to Supes as a character

>>149717527
Stop with the ironic bait

>>149712893
Men under 25 are the retards voting for Trump, anon

>>149712913
>>149713259
The media is overwhelmingly in favor of Trump and Colbert getting his show cancelled proves that, you retards.

>>149694056
>>149694019 (OP)
Nobody hate it, shill

>>149719073
they would've blocked South Park from airing if that were true

Why is there only one "What if Superman landed here instead of in the US" story?
Where's the story about SupérieurHomme, who landed in Chambéry and refuses to take a stance against evil?

>>149712913
>which creates TDS
TDS is when Trump does something bad and you criticize him for it btw.

>>149720053
The White House made an official statement trashing over South Park. Some things never change

>>149720181
Disappointing we never got a fully fleshed-out story with Earth 10's Nazi Superman.

>>149694019 (OP)
SuperShit still hadn't surpassed Man of Steel's total box office.

>>149720532
still a better movie

>>149720264
You retard, trashing them on social media is not preventing them from being on the air

Also

>liking superman
Movie didn't even break even, superfag is still in Batman's shadow where he belongs