Thread 149704191

>>149704191 (OP)
That dude fucked up voice acting in Murrica forever, only black guys like the Samurai Jack VA get a pass to voice characters from other races while everyone else is recasted

>>149704191 (OP)
His docu moreso effected the American VA industry more than anything.

I'd argue the rise of anti-Scam Call videos did way more damage.

>>149704211
what was the shivering truth episode about?

>>149704211
This is the sort of stuff that makes me ignore all these fags yelling "ThE SiMpSoNs iS GoOd, aGaIn!!!!!!!" entirely, they're like beaten housewifes

There's been a post-removal lionization of Apu. He ran a convenience store and was largely remembered for the silly way he said goodbye.
This idea that people rallied around 'our beloved Apu' really doesn't hold up to scrutiny. I'd say H1B and its consequences did an order of magnitude more.

>>149704211
The Hulu Futurama revival and the Hulu KOTH revival also recasted some VAs because "muh race", by that logic they should recast Bender since he said multiple times in the original show's run that he was Mexican and his current VA ain't Mexican, they can't even follow their own retarded criteria

>>149704211
Yet another reason why nobody likes jeets. Jeet women are okay though. Maybe it's because I'm a bit of an architect.

>>149704191 (OP)
I don't Indians had a very good rep even then. This was the stereotype in the 2000s.
https://youtu.be/KDL5-iOUKFk?feature=shared

>>149704191 (OP)
SAARR, DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT APU WAS ONLY 1 OF THE MILLION+ WHACK-A-MOLES WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING FUN OF PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT CULTURES. PLEASE DO NO REDEEM.

>>149704211
The domino effect

>>149704191 (OP)
Yes, before people were more or less ambivalent since Apu despite being a stereotype was still a positive representation. And taking him out left a cultural hole that was filled by people seeing how Indians behaved and acted both domestically and abroad. There is also how other anon’s have pointed out the complete shit show with voice acting where it has become segregated but they seem to not be critical when it comes to casting different ethnicities of Asians even though they will then turn around and criticize whoever says they’re interchangeable.

>>149704191 (OP)
People have been mocking pajeets as far back as 2014

Designated shitting streets was a meme long before the do not redeem guy

>>149704191 (OP)
>>149704211
>>149704306
I wonder if Phil LaMarr was the one who went "Billy West can't voice Amy's dad anymore, he's not Asian!! recast him!!!", he's been really retarded on recent years claiming that other VAs were racist towards him 24/7 or that Static Shock was cancelled because "muh racism"

That would imply Simpsons is actually relevant, it's not.

>>149704191 (OP)
there was a good reputation?
but yes he, or well the retards that followed his example, ruined voice acting MORE

>>149704191 (OP)
>>149704211
>>149704272
>>149704369
Correlation != Causation
Indians are hated now because the pajeet meme became mainstream, they're the largest population on the planet with an increasing online presence so the odds of you finding an annoying one online is near guaranteed, the rape cases are even more well known than before, their already horrid reputation as scammers, etc
Apu being written didn't help but it also didn't magically turn on the switch that led to Kitboga humiliating the entire race in one video (even if the man himself tries to avoid demonizing Indians as a race as much as possible)
China has the same sort of problem but hey at least they make video games and Ne Zha, what does India got?

DO NOT REDEEM THE CARD

>>149704628
>Indians are hated now because the pajeet meme became mainstream
And it just so happens that said meme entered the mainstream right after some whiny faggot got rid of the biggest source of positive rep Indians had and after that the only things people could find were scam call and perv/creep shit? I mean people have known about both for a while, indian call centers have been a meme for over a decade. It’s simple, in the absence of any kind of information people will seek out their own. And the only thing Indians had was Apu.

>>149704191 (OP)
It was a combination of factors.

>>149704191 (OP)
No, and that's sad.

>>149704211
Fpbp

>go from a hardworking business owner stereotype to scamming rapists that shit in the street
Grim

>>149704683
You're overstating Apu's importance. He's a fun memory but Zombie Simpsons left its spot in the zeitgeist decades ago.
If you want to tie it to something, tie it to the rise of twitch and streamers outside of the traditional video game bubble, where it was all about finding a niche people wanted to watch and sticking with it. No one likes scammers, everyone like seeing them get caught, the idea was here all along, it just needed the proper tech and community to gain traction.

>>149704628
> Indians are hated now because the pajeet meme became mainstream
They’re hate because they’re a vile, disgusting bunch of scammers. They’re extremely racist to everyone, including themselves, so you don’t have to feel bad for them

>>149704191 (OP)
The only people on the planet for be conquered by a private corporation.

>>149704191 (OP)
I hate indian people the most

>>149704792
It’s about general zeitgeist, even if someone didn’t watch or live when prim Simpsons was airing they would still know about Apu due to culture osmosis. People were still aware of him due to the general idea that he was THE Indian stereotype, he held the monopoly on that particular meme and thus anything else was pushed to the side. However with him gone and the need to have him be forgotten and ignored it left a vacuum which other memes soon took the place of. It’s like when you kill an animal that you would consider a pest but then something worse takes its place.

>>149704424
Typical black guy suddenly whining about white people the minute it becomes financially viable

>>149704320
In the 90s and 2000s, Indians had a fairly good reputation in the west because the only ones the average westerner was exposed to were harmless convenience store workers and the actual 0.001% that were smart enough to get out of India on some gifted/genius visa program. The numbers of them were small enough that they either had to assimilate or kept the less backwards and offensive elements of their culture off the radar. Then sometime in the 2010s globalists and major corporations began exporting them as cheap labor to literally single industrialized nation on Earth, and ot wasn't just the good ones coming over anymore. Now the average westerner got to see first hand what the average Indian was like: a shifty, dishonest, entitled, unhygienic, degenerate, capable only of scamming, raping, and defecating, and being imported in such large numbers that they no longer need to assimilate but just bring their third world culture with them. In Canada, you have Sikhs and Hindus fighting territorial conflicts in hardware store parking lots. You have Subway employees putting their feet on the counter. Not to mention the endless scams, or the obvious abuse of H1-B and student visa programs that negatively impact actual citizens in the job and housing markets. They're basically locusts. Even the most liberal Canadian openly resents them.

>>149704191 (OP)
Like any soft power, it starts with women. If there were more Indian qts in western animation with mainstream popularity then generations would grow up with a positive association. Most of us thought Jasmine was Indian when we were kids until later learning she is Arab, so now all we have is The Jungle Book girl. I mean she is cute, but I can't believe none of the big studios have tapped into the Bollywood market yet. It would be so easy. Why don't they do it? Though it's sad to think we'll never get 2D kino, but then Moana and Encanto were beautiful, so I guess that's fine.

>>149704191 (OP)
>positive reputation

>>149705255
>Most of us thought Jasmine was Indian when we were kids until later learning she is Arab
Really? The princess in the movie that starts with a song about Arabian Nights?

easy access to recording devices and the ease of distributing video on the internet is what ruined the reputation of indians

>>149704261
The Simpsons has been bad for so fucking long that anyone insisting that it's become "good" are pointing at a fresh turd and noting how it seems to be attracting fewer flies. Better is relative, and if someone has been watching The Simpsons this entire time has serious issues with personal taste and deciding how best to use their time.

>>149704191 (OP)
Exposure to Indians kills whatever positive illusions exist regarding Indians

>>149704628
Indians are hated because they're all the worst parts of every other race combined into one super-race of assholes.
Any country that still has a fucking caste system is guaranteed to be full of nothing but absolute cunts.

>>149705231
Don't forget indian workers wiping their shit with their bare hands and giving people hepatitis at Tim Hortons.

>>149704424
Every fucking instance of racial inequality that favors blacks and asians more than anyone else always gets met with this ideological malfunction moment and an excuse that amounts to
>IT'S DIFFERENT WHEN WE DO IT
Even though it never is, and really they're just trying to say that they should be allowed to make things unfair against whites, while not wanting to admit to being racist, when they are overtly being racist.

>>149705255
>Most of us thought Jasmine was Indian when we were kids until later learning she is Arab
I think that's just you, you might have just been a fucking retard as a kid.

>>149705255
If we got a film about an Indian Disney princess today it’d probably be on the same level of quality as Raya and Wish, Disney hasn’t made one good film since 2018 with the exception of Encanto. It would cause people to shit on Indians more if anything.

>>149705299
Kids are retarded, younger me though that China and Japan were the same place.

Indians would be more tolerable if they didn't lower the living standards of every country they were ever exported to. It's getting to the point where people are expected to live ten to a room like in some Benghali slum if they need housing.

>>149704628
Indians are hated because of their behavior. The things they actually do. Everyone deals with scam callers. Everyone deals with shitty tech support lines. Everyone is dealing with Indians being imported into their offices, having to do 10 times as much work because every one of them lied on their resume and can barely use a computer, let alone code. And then people started losing their jobs. Everyone has seen what has become of companies that let an Indian CEO take over and then fill the entire company, top to bottom, with more Indians.

You know why Google fucking sucks and how it got so bad? It's because Sundar Pichai is a fucking street shitter.

>>149704802
There is...another...

Why is it OK to cancel Apu because it was a stereotype of Indians, but yet Groundskeeper Willie hasn't been cancelled?
There a many Scottish people who take offense to him, bt yet he's not cancelled.
Why is it OK to demonize white people, but it's not OK to stereotype Indians?
This is racism of the highest order, and the so called "WOKE" left are racist hypocrites.
>IN B4 GO BACK TO /pol/....

>>149705299
>>149705474
I was a young child in the 90s who never saw Arabs or Indians in real life and never bothered to ask because I was 5 and they were just cartoon people to me back then, and with my eyes they looked like the same race and had more similarities than not. It was filed under information that only became relevant when it affected me personally, like knowing the difference between Muslims and Hindus. I don't bemoan non-Americans who don't know the difference between Texas and Florida.

>>149705839
Groundskeeper Willie is punching up. Scots love and champion this stereotype. Apu is punching down. Indians don't like because it is a negative stereotype.

>>149704683
You actually think people wouldn't hate on Indians if Apu was still present in Zombie Simpsons?

>>149705839
>>149705862
Besides running a convenience store and accent, why is Apu a negative stereotype? He's loved by the town, respected, and usually reliable to count on.

>>149705862
How is it a negative stereo type? I’m working with Indian kids that have the exact accent

>>149705905
Willie's stereotype is so over-the-top that no one is going to pretend to be Willie to a Scottish student or bully them over it. The Indian stereotype is closer to home that it is absolutely super easy to bully an Indian student over it.

>>149704628
Not to mention that China has their own Internet and social media and a language barrier that avoids them from interacting too much with everyone else, pajeets on the other hand do actually trh speak in their terrible engrish with everyone else and are infamous for their shit behaviors.
It makes me glad I'm not a native English speaker so I don't have to deal with them too much IRL

indians are the most humiliated people to ever exist and what's fucked up is that they 100% deserve it and all of the negative stereotypes about them are 100% true

>>149705839
>Scottish
>people
No.

>>149704211
The "cultural sensitivities" is retarded, Frylock was voiced by a black guy and ATHF has tons of stereotypes in it like the Chinese rice guys who wanna chop dicks off and the gay leprechaun, The Boondocks was also made by black people and is fucking universally beloved by black people.

>>149705299
>>149705474
>>149705479
>Children who haven't learned about things yet are retarded
You faggots. Jasmine was individually inspired by India within the film according to Bill Perkins, quit gaslighting people had a reason to think she was Indian. Her silhouette is based on the Taj Mahal. The name Agrabah comes from the city of Agra in India, where the Taj Mahal is located. Fuck you. The original tale of Aladdin was originally set in China btw but it was written by Arabs who knew nothing about Chinese culture. Disney just did the same thing but in reverse it and added a splash of Indian aesthetic for fun. Let's not pretend they ever gave a shit about cultural accuracy before 2015. Sorry I don't keep up with your inter-diaspora wars.

Reminder he wanted varied Indian representation so that they wouldn't just be reduced to a stereotype, not for Apu to be removed from the show and the fans just scapegoated him to defend the show's shitty writers.

>>149704721
an ethnicity's gotta be doing poorly when widespread discrimination against them is due to "a combination of factors"

>>149706188
No, he wanted them to cast a race-accurate Indian and implied he was available. The show didn't bite and just retired the character to spite him.

>>149705942
maybe indians should stop being so cartoonishly ridiculous

Sometimes I wish ecelebs had more influence over no-name people like the "Problem with Apu" guy, HotDiggedyDemon made a great insightful video regarding this whole Apu controversy that was fucking praised, did it influence the industry at all? No.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F68l9FozxJ8&pp=0gcJCfwAo7VqN5tD

>the simpsons now have to recast the minority characters with VAs that match the character's ethnicity
>these characters rarely show up out of the blue to deliver a punchline anymore, and only show up when they are more relevant to the plot
>now new characters have to be created to deliver these one liners that would have gone to one of the random simpsons townspeople, and most are white (yellow) since the show still operates on a few core cast members doing most of the voices
Good stuff.

>>149706175
>Casting an Indian actress for Jasmine in the live action was accurate after all
>The hate train against Naomi Scott was for nothing

>>149706213
>No, he wanted them to cast a race-accurate Indian
The titular problem with Apu had fuck all to do with his casting.

It literally says in the pic it's about stereotypes. Lie better.

Why is it that Apu gets removed for being a racial Indian stereotype but Baljeet still remains intact in the P&F reboot?

>>149706188
He compared Apu to blackface

So... Jasmine is Indian? Or at least half Indian?

>>149706360
Ironic because blacks mocked Indians later by saying "i bet it smell crazy in here"

>>149706353
His name is WHAT

Indians used to have a decent reputation because they didn't have internet over there. All anyone knew about them were
>Taj Mahal
>Funny accent
>Worships multiple gods
>Cows are sacred
But then they got access to the internet and the worst of the worst just came flooding in. That and the rise of scam calls and subsequently scam call baiters becoming more popular exposed more and more people to what India is like.
I don't think Apu getting removed hurt India as much as it exposed how important it was for India not to be significantly exposed to the outside world was for their reputation. It wasn't like everyone had a huge cap in their heads about how to think of Indians after he was cut. They still would have assumed they were like Apu. It's that an overwhelming image to the contrary, one rooted in reality as opposed to an animated show, made its presence known.
>>149706382
She is very clearly Arabic. The movie opens up with a song called Arabian Nights, dude.

>>149706387
Races that compare their struggle to blacks are also the most racist against blacks, which everyone knows, and why people don't react when blacks are racist back to them. All racism is bad though full stop desu

>>149705357
I remember making fun of Indian society and castes on a Discord server and a member immediately got butthurt and said he was Indian and offended. When I asked him if he even lived in India he said no. God I hate Indians.

>>149706353
>MY NAME IS BALJEET
>I'M A SMELLY JEET
>I SHIT ON THE STREET
>AND I GOT THREE FEET
What the fuck were P&F writers thinking with that

>>149706387
Probably because Indians are hilariously racist towards blacks.
Turnabout and all that.

>>149706134
>He thinks Cornwall is England

>>149706353
Because Disney doesn't give lip service to complaints of racism. Either they ignore it or go whole-hog "this IP never existed" and such.

>>149706406
They're in China idk what you're talking about. Another fun fact Jasmine has a Bengal tiger named Rajah which means king in Hindi.

>>149706435
Blacks are exceptionally nice to Indians compared to other races.

>>149705862
>very smart
>well integrated
>owns his own business
>beloved by the community
>all the single women want him

Yes I can see why Indians would hate to be portrayed in such an inaccurate way. Real Indians aren't smart and don't integrate and aren't wanted by women.

>>149705839
The worst Scott is better than the best jeet.

>>149706493
Look up what a model minority is and why it's still a harmful stereotype, thanks.

>>149705255
>>149705299
>>149705474
>>149706175
>>149706318
For what it's worth

1. Cartoon Agrabah is based on a combination of Indian and Persian cities and set in the Arabian Peninsula.
2. "Jasmine" wasn't "inspired" by jack shit. She's based on the Chinese princess Aladdin marries in the original story.

A key feature of the tale is showing the breadth of Islam which is why "Jasmine" is Chinese and "Jaffar" is from NW Africa.

>>149706518
Nigger I don't care. This is shit that only white liberals and oreos give a fuck about.

>>149706493
They're upset because he's dark, that's the real and only reason.

>149706518
Kondabolu uses 4chan?

>>149706543
Isn't he a Brahmin, though?

A jeet near my town killed his daughter and told police she was kidnapped, sparking a huge amber alert. He was found out the next day but yeah.

>>149705851
>I don't bemoan non-Americans who don't know the difference between Texas and Florida.
i don't know that one seems fairly simple if you've consumed enough american media (which isn't hard) and i say this as a non american

texas = desert cowboy propane people
florida = swamp alligator hurracine rednecks

>>149706522
All of this is true alongside there being obvious Indian inspired aesthetic in the film. I'm pretty sure even her palace is designed after the Taj Mahal. So North Africa, Middle East, South Asia were all put into a blender to make this movie. Also a hint of Israel because Genie was intended to be a Jewish character and his relationship with Aladdin was a show of solidarity between Jews and Muslims and not subtly a nod toward the "conflict" in the Middle East. The singer of the Arabian Nights theme was Yiddish actor Bruce Adler. It's confirmed in the making of documentary "Diamond in the Rough: The Making of Aladdin" that this was their intention so don't accuse me of making it up. Eric Goldberg the supervising animator said it not me.

>>149704191 (OP)
it's another case of cyber warfare by paid chinese slave-soldiers, strapped into warehouses and forced to spread narratives about fucking border conflicts and what the fuck ever else.
>that doesn't happen because uhhhh it doesn't
multiple harmless blog websites actually ran by cia agents. confirmed MULTIPLE cases of russian pig scumbags running psy ops on western websites and here. existence of israel and everything israel has involved itself in the past 20 years. this is the undeniable proof that the internet has become the newest warground of people who do not care about you and would love a taste of your childrens loins. don't listen to any people you see speaking about bullshit geopolitics on this website, no one actually cares. they have not been relevan't since the times of kings and knights

>>149706683
I feel like all of pop culture's idols turning to crap is specifically being done to drive us into the arms of Christ while he can still be found.

>>149704211
This

>>149706406
Yeah, that song is sung by the movie's one actual Arab, who goes on to tell you a tale of a faraway land.

>>149705862
>Indians don't like because it is a negative stereotype.
that's the mistake. it's actually a positive stereotype.

>>149704211
desu, if it wasn't because this guy, it would have been something else, it was a countdown

>>149705255
>Most of us thought Jasmine was Indian when we were kids until later learning she is Arab
american moment.

>>149706837
See >>149706175

>>149704792
>You're overstating Apu's importance
You are dramatically underselling how media affects people's minds in the west.

All I'm learning in this thread is that people don't do research about films they enjoy like they used to. Is this a glimpse of a world without autistic people? Grim.

>>149706648
why do you consume so much of my culture, i dont know a single thing about your worthless countries culture

>>149705447
>every time something that doesn't happen very often happens to this group i hate, i'm mad that that didn't happen to my group like it always used to until very recently
try to sound less like a retarded faggot bitch

>>149706991
because you import it all over the world
i don't care where it comes from so long as it's good. old koth is funny so i watch it

>>149704802
South Korea doesn't count?

>>149706994
>IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OKAY?!
Take your own advice, you retarded faggot bitch.

>>149706294
God, I wish he hadn't been such a misanthropic asshole when he was young and healthy, because he has a lot of good ideas.

>>149704191 (OP)
>He got the character removed from the show for good.
The guy's a piece of shit, but gotta be fair: Apu was gone from the Simpsons for well over a YEAR at the point The Problem with Apu debuted.
He is responsible for a lot of dumb shit, including the industry standard of casting voice actors based on race but axing Apu? That wasn't him.

I just think its weird they got a CHINESE guy to play Kahn. Also Mihn is still chinese. What is that even supposed to be other than just a slap in the face to actual Laotian VA's who could have gotten the job but instead they gave it to their literal oppressors.

>>149704191 (OP)
Indians did that to themselves.
I've worked tech support for years, and every time I answer a call and it's a pajeet on the other line, I die a little inside.

>>149706803
>this exaggerated ugly caricature is ARAB and you will NOT take him from me
Why anyone would struggle to claim this thing as "representation" is beyond me. He's a joke character at best. He even called the culture barbaric. When did everyone decide to disney of all things for representation in the first place, so utterly retarded. At most we can just say "inspired by" or "loosely based on", not literal true to life accurate portrayals of the Muh Heckin Culture. disney doesn't even portray europeans accurately, much less any other continent. They should have never started pandering and just made whatever movies they wanted instead of getting a savior complex about all the browns who watch their stuff. Sure they can update things and be diverse but their top priority always needs to be making good movies, not making all people under the sun "feel seen" or whatever the fuck. Its disney ffs. Their job is to make people feel happy and magical, not put people through 2 hour family therapy simulators. We want to watch movies about young hot people going on adventures and falling in love. Is that so hard? Can we just go back to what works? Rant over.

>>149706175
>>149706871
>even the dumbasses at disney thought the taj mahal was arabic
hilarious stuff indeed. I'm actually amazed they got the costumes right.

>>149704211
>>149704238
>His docu moreso effected the American VA industry more than anything.
This

>>149707535
If they took the time to research the Taj Mahal they already knew it wasn't Arabic but nice try.

My favorite part of the Apu shitshow was that the faggot jeet's motivation for starting the whole thing was really that he wanted to become a bigshot VA/actor and him kvetching about Apu was really just a ploy to get the show to recast Apu and have an actual Indian (read: him) voice him so he could get an easy big-name job.

But instead they just wrote Apu out of the show and the dipshit's legacy consists of helping ruin India's reputation and helping Saint Floyd ruin western voice acting. Get rekt faggot.

>>149707464
He is a joke character. Take care you do not become one.

>>149708450
We already live in clown world since 2011. At least people like jokes or whatever that universe kid said.

>>149704191 (OP)
>115 posts
>0 mention of best girl

>>149706469
Regardless of the origins of the Aladdin story, the Disney film is set definitively in Arab lands. The Historical Jafar served the Arab Abbasid dynasty from Baghdad. The Vizier in the original Aladdin tale was unnamed; whilst in other tales in the 'One Thousand and One Nights' (Arabian Nights) collection Jafar actually features as the protagonist.

>>149709235
Is it impossible, though, to acknowledge the presence of some Indian aesthetic in the film that seems to mainly surround Jasmine. Disney did not care about accuracy during the 90s.

>>149705972
Teaching Indians English was one of the greatest crimes the British empire ever committed, They should had did what the Dutch did in Indonesia

>>149704628
>the largest population on the planet with an increasing online presence
This is the actual answer. It was bad enough when smartphones gave all the low IQ normalfags in the west internet access, a billion fucking Indians has not improved things.

>>149704191 (OP)
>>149704211
All of this is true. Indians have singlehandedly destroyed the entire world.

Anybody got that webm of that jeet trying to rape a Korean streamer? Didn't even know jeets went after those types of women.

>>149709619
Jeets will rape children, lizards, and their own grandfathers if they have the chance.