Thread 149720087

>According to The Wrap, a new animated series is officially in development, spearheaded by the Burroughs estate and led by experienced showrunner and author Michael Kogge, known for his Star Wars companion books and John Carter of Mars audiobooks.

https://toonado.com/cartoons/john-carter-of-mars-will-return-in-a-new-animated-series-aiming-to-reinvigorate-the-classic-sci-fi-saga-a9909

Hopefully better than the Disney movie.

>>149720087 (OP)
Odds on Thoris being naked?

>>149720087 (OP)
It's going to be a hell of a time seeing how this series would adapted.

>>149720087 (OP)
boobies

>>149720087 (OP)
That movie they made that cost like $500 million was pretty good, but it seems like something where an animated series would have been a far better use of the money. I've never read the book(s?) though.

>>149720230
You can easily find them, since they are in the public domain, wikisource has them for free.

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Author:Edgar_Rice_Burroughs

I feel like the budget to do Barsoom properly in animation would be really fucking high, there's just so much swordfighting, monsters and shit

>>149720147
The show runner writes kids books. Low.

>>149720147
Odds on Sola still being oddly attractive in this version?

They are also making a new Tazarn show and another one based on his son.

> Edgar Rice Burroughs, Inc. and Rollman Entertainment Announce Two Groundbreaking Anime Series Featuring Tarzan and Korak

https://www.edgarriceburroughs.com/edgar-rice-burroughs-inc-and-rollman-entertainment-announce-two-groundbreaking-anime-series-featuring-tarzan-and-korak/

>>149720147
Best case scenario is a Princess Leia style metal bikini. Assuming this isn't a woke mess that reimagines the source material.

>>149720087 (OP)
There's no way they'd make a cartoon that looks like this, sadly.

There's no way in fuck they are going to make John a gallant Confederate gentlemen of the Antebellum South

>>149720947
>anime
Not going to lie, this makes me nervous. Almost as much as the choice to make him raised by psychic aliens. Hell I guess it's something to check out whenever it eventually airs.

>>149721014
They're probably going to either make him a modern soldier, or a Union soldier.
If he is an ex-confederate, the story arc will probably be about him learning to not be a racist.

>>149720539
Maybe it'll be like a Teen Titans version of the source material, kid friendly but still good on it's own terms?

Hopefully they just adapt the books, they really don't need to subvert it or anything. Just play it straight.

Is there some kind of recent push by the Burroughs estate going on? A toy was just revealed as well.

>>149721062
Hell I wish but you know they're going to do something weird. Just read the blurb for the comic Tarzan adaptation >>149720947

>>149720182
>Main character is a not just a white man but a confederate soldier
>Basically the entire cast walks around naked
>Main love interest is almost raped by the villains of the books several times
>Outdated victorian eugenics super science is baked into the lore
Yeah. This is going to be a disaster. You just can't do a story like John carter of mars in 'current year'

>>149721062
Have you been in a coma for the last decade?

>>149721062
The modern audience can't relate to the story if it doesn't have enough queer PoC trans characters to make them feel represented.

>>149721068
Only one of the John Carter Books is still under their copyright. The rest are in the public domain, they're trying to make some money off of fit before they lose the rights to it completely when the last book enters the public domain.

>>149721062
Why not wish to be President Of The United States while you're at it?

>>149721104
No, but I think the estate would want to be more respectful to the source material since they are the ones pushing this. Plus, I think these days people are more accepting of sincere adaptations than deconstructive messes.

Will Dejah squat down and shit out a nice fat egg too?

>>149721143
Have you seen how the Tolkien estate is treating his work these days? Estates are scum more times than not and despise their famous family member beyond trying to exploit their works.

>>149721143
It would be less likely to be woke if it wasn't under the control of the burroughs estate. See the Dynamite Press comics which were produced without the Burroughs Estate, where Dejah Thoris walks around in little more than jewelry and panties.

>>149721147
They're probably just going to make her give birth like a normal human because that would be too weird for modern audiences, even people who aren't woke.

>>149721124
They have trademarks and lawyers, copyright is a technicality.

>>149720230
Most of the books are public domain and they're unironically probably the most influential works of fiction just about ever.

Like, when I say "Edgar Rice Burroughs put us on the fucking moon." I mean that. "I read a Princess of Mars and it made me want to go to space" was basically the backstory for every single physicist, engineer, and astronomer from 1920 something onward. Carl Sagan had a map of Barsoom outside the door of his office at NASA until he died.

Literature in general too. Even Tolkien is predated by Burroughs in terms of his output. Science fiction and fantasy globally owe him massively. What he didn't invent, he codified or polished and refined to the near pinnacle of what they could be.

The idea of green, tusked, savage honorable orcs that form hordes? Burroughs's Tharks are the origin and most orcs fall under either Burroughsian or Tolkenian molds for this reason.

Superman? Superman from the ground up conceptually was based on John Carter, all of his powers are just shit Carter could do, even for the same reason originally. Defacto, Superman would not have existed without him.

Star Wars owes half its aesthetic design to John Carter as well, particularly for aliens.

>>149721014
I mean, John was an amnesiac immortal even before he got to Mars, so they can handwave it by saying the dude has fought a lot of wars.

>>149721036
Which is weird because Carter was usually exceedingly egalitarian by the standards of the time. Hell he was egalitarian by the standards of like 60 years later with how he basically never had anything bad to say about anyone on ethnic grounds and usually could find something admirable about almost every ethnic group and culture he came across when he wasn't busy avoiding being murdered by them.

>>149721194
You can make a John Carter Of Mars story without the Burroughs estate, but you have to go out of your way to make sure
>it can't be mistaken for something made by the burroughs estate
>that it doesn't include any character or plot element in the books that aren't public domain
>You can't use the name 'john carter' in the title of it, or on any of the advertisement

Hence why Alan Moore could get away with using John Carter in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen without Burroughs estate suing him, and why Dynamite Press had to change the name of their John Carter Of Mars comics to Gods Of Mars.

>>149721266
Like 90% of sci-fi and even some fantasy come from either Barsoom or Lensman, but only the former gets credit for it

>>149721300
Unlike John Carter of Mars, the Lensmen are extremely similar to the Green Lantern corp, and would get called derivative ripoffs if you made a comic book about them.

>>149721068
Like someone said the rights are about to go full public, but aside from that, the Star Wars/Star Trek dominance of the western scifi market has basically collapsed after about 40~ish years of them being like 80% of the market there so a lot of people have been making moves. It's the same reason there was a huge Mecha boom the last couple years for example, because Disney killed Star Wars so hard that Bamco was willing to risk pushing Gundam again.

It's anyone's game, the last time there was a niche market collapse like this [albeit on a smaller scale] Games Workshop managed to seize control of like 90% of the wargaming market and that's peanuts compared to even a slice of the pie on the table right now.

>>149721068
They have been doing a lot of pushes lately, esoecially with rereleasing the old books and putting out some new seuqles. Its all a shared universe now.

>>149721365
It's actually funny since Disney's utter destruction of Star Wars is what made me go check out the stuff that actually influenced Star Wars in the first place and read Barsoom,Lensman and Poul Anderson's Technic Civilization, so thanks Disney you dumb fuckers for what you did.

>>149721295
People these days have confederacy derangement syndrome, anything that even vaguely romanticizes the antebellum south as being anything but slaveholding baby eating monsters isn't going to get greenlit without some serious rewriting,

>>149721295
You forget even acknowledging biological differences between races is racist in modern times. John in the second or third book talks about how the big green four-armed nigga was clearly a horrific creature and hideous but was a valiant warrior and his loyal friend to the bitter end and he valued him as such.

>>149721097
>>149720947
>>149721032

>In Tarzanime: Between Two Worlds, Tarzan is reimagined as a young warrior raised on an exotic planet by psychic aliens. Torn between his adoptive family and his human heritage, he leads a resistance against an invasive human force. Meanwhile, Korak the Killer: Legacy of the Wild offers a gritty, visually striking take on Tarzan’s son, exploring identity, survival, and the clash of humanity and nature in a bold anime format.

I question the choices for the tarzan show but the Korak one seems fine. THough I don't get why they are so big on gritty adaptations when the orignial Tarzan books had a bunch of wacky adventures going on.

>>149721101
Unironically just do away with most of these except for most of the cast being naked.

Carter being a Confederate soldier adds absolutely nothing except making you think Burroughs is a retard.

>>149721473
you are brown

>>149721473
We can't show the bad guys being evil by attempting to do evil things like rape the main female character?

>>149721473
The only retard here is you.

>>149721487
So what if I am?

>>149721497
Alright I'll give you that one. It does get weird when it happens ALL the time though.

>>149720230
You should, they're fantastic. I read the first several to my kid, she enjoyed them.

The nudity thing always confused me. Are they buck naked? Do they have like at least a little armor to protect themselves in such a martial culture? Do they wear shoes? Sandals?

>>149720973
>Princess Leia style metal bikini
I'm okay with this

>>149721124
They're notoriously litigious.

>>149721143
Notice how despite being in the public domain you don't see a lot of woke Cthulu stuff? That's because being in the public domain, the free market can make their own Cthulu stories and merchandise and it's the audience who decides which story is best.
That's not the case with stuff the ERB estate still owns the rights to.

>>149721175
I wonder if it's possible to put a clause in your will that if your estate or license holders go full woketard with the thing you created, the entire IP immediately gets dumped into the public domain.

>>149721567
You can theoretically. But very few authors ever do that.

Are any of the comics by Dynamite any good at all? I always avoid Dynamite because everything they do always looks so cheap and trashy, but I really do love (at least the first three) Mars books.

>>149721014
He was a confederate in the Disney movie.

>>149721609
They're surprisingly good. But they stop being good once the ERB estate won their lawsuit and started taking a more hands on approach to what could and could not be put in the comics.
I'm surprised Comicstorian or Cartoonist Kayfabe didn't do a video on it.

>>149721392
>. Its all a shared universe now.
>Now.
It always was, similar to Howard's

>>149721620
Yeah but he didn't act at all like the character in the book. Also the movie was made before Disney went full woke left wing partisan, and before 2020 and the mass destruction and removal of confederate monumants and demonization of confederate history that ensued.

>>149721392
I mean Tarzan and Pellucidar take place in the same universe. I don't know if John Carter and Carson of Venus do.

>>149721466
They had tons of pulpy adventure stuff, but they also had things like Tarzan thinking Jane was murdered by German soldiers and going on a path of bloody revenge during the Great War.

>>149721532
>Are they buck naked?
Pretty much.
To Burroughs credit he didn't really write it to be sexy, the stories more or less say 'everyones naked, nobody on mars has a problem with it, were moving on to the swordfights now.

I don't think anyone realizes how batshit insane and virtually unrecognizable Tarzan becomes after the first novel. It absolutely turns into capeshit. I can't believe Tarzan never got picked up as an actual full-fledged character in DC or Marvel over the decades.

>>149721656
>the mass destruction and removal of confederate monumants and demonization of confederate history that ensued.
These were good things and I'm convinced you're a retard if you think otherwise.

They were literally a bunch of treasonous slavers.

>>149721733
You are still brown.

>>149721567
Yes, one author put a "no sequels" in his will

>>149721704
Anyone remember the Tarzan spinoff tv show on ToonDisney? Apparently despite great rating it's second season was cancelled because Disney didn't want to keep paying Burroughs estate to keep using the character.
It adapted a lot of the weirder stuff in the Tarzan lore that rarely makes it to film. Like Queen La, the Waziri tribe and The Dinosaurs.

>>149721266
>Tolkenian molds for this reason.
Those have more in common with the modern goblin

>>149721744
And? You have nothing else to say.

>>149721656
How did Carter act like a confederate in the books? He fought for the south, lost, headed west. Being southern had very little to do with his character.

And confederate history is shit from start to finish, demonization is not needed.

>>149721733
Demonize what the confederacy stood for, don't demonize the soldiers who fought. They were Americans too.

>>149721805
I'm just saying a modern day adaptation would feel they have no choice but to address it or the usual suspects on social media and tiktok will go out of their way to ruin the lives of those involved in the show.

>>149721677
IIRC Carson was headed to Mars after being contacted by Carter and ended up on Venus after a mishap.

>>149721805
Being a screeching libtard 24/7 with a view of American history instilled by jewish professors must be exhausting. Being from the South was where he gets his courtesy and gallantry and his steel-backed fighting spirit. He mentions several times his pride as a Virginian. Get a clue. Not everyone in America is ashamed of being white.

>>149721794
>Queen La
They should have leaned into Atlantis the Lost Empire more. Real missed opportunity.

>>149721725
They had their own jungle book, Marvel even has an entire sub setting for them (the savage lands)

>>149721808
>don't demonize the soldiers who fought. They were Americans too.
Dude, they fought to keep slavery as an institution. Fuck the vast majority of those fuckers

>>149721954
Brown-coded post.

>>149721266
People often forget just how influential Tarzan and John Carter were on science fiction and fantasy. Tarzan especially had a massive impact on Hollywood—there have been around 50 feature-length films since 1918 (about 45 live-action and 5 animated), along with 2 major film serials and over 7 television adaptations, both live-action and animated.

i had this weird as shit Tarzan toy as a kid that made the sound when you pressed his booba. This was a huge line from Trendmasters and had all sorts of crazy figures and monsters and did include John Carter stuff.

>>149721365
Yes, Dune also reclaimed a lot of ground

>>149721963
>Tarzan.
Mainly because of the flanderized version of the first movies, that even book!Tarzan complained about.

>John Carter.
Sci-fi is more associated with Asimov, and other writers, and Star Wars stole his thunder after the state left him to rot.

>>149721522
>I read the first several to my kid, she enjoyed them.
That's cool. What age?
I tend to think of Burroughs as romance for men, and suspect the woman-skewed book market postdates the Ace reprints and ceasing to publish real-world adventure fiction and Planetary Romance genres.

I really love the (I think original??) illustrations for Princess of Mars where everything was made to look like a fallen antiquity, the nakedness was replaced with that kind of ancient Egyptian or sort of Bronze Age aesthetic like it was some kind of myth.

>>149721808
>They were Americans too.
No, they aren't. Not after they fought to break away from the Union. Traitorous losers. They're like the retards who converted to islam, joined ISIS, and renounced their US citizenship. They should have all been forced into slavery till for the rest of their lives afterwards.

>>149721365
>It's the same reason there was a huge Mecha boom the last couple years for example
When the fuck was this?

>>149721532
>Do they have like at least a little armor to protect themselves in such a martial culture? Do they wear shoes? Sandals?
Little or no armor (Frazetta illustrated some helmets, but I don't remember if that's book-accurate). They have leather harnesses that can hold military gear, attach safety ropes on airships, etc.
Sandals are repeatedly described.

>>149722026
>They should have all been forced into slavery till for the rest of their lives afterwards.
While funny, I don't condone that. But they should've been shot and killed, all of them. Especially their leaders.

>>149722049
Isn't that what you want to do to white people on the daily anyway?

>>149721295
To be fair he wasn't a regular person even before he got to mars. He was an ageless immortal who had been around for some time. So his mindset is probably a product of that.

>>149722085
He has no memory before the age of 30, so his time in the South or at least the Civil War is basically the basis of his whole mindset

>>149722059
Nope. Just a bunch of racist, slaving traitors.

>>149722105
No, you still want to kill whites. We both know it, but you learned pilpul from your masters so well now you're going to try and weasel out of admitting it directly.

>>149722121
Dude you are literally trying to project your bullshit on to me. Fuck off.

>>149722145
You want to kill all whites. It forms the basis of your entire theology. You openly despise the civilization whites built. The mythology you worship around is one where whitey is Satan and responsible for all your ills and any and every form of violence committed upon us is therapeutic for you. Be honest, because the lies don't work anymore.

>>149721794
I remember the Tarzan show because it used to air on Disney XD. Also, the last time Disney’s Tarzan really stuck with me was as one of my favorite levels in the Kingdom Hearts game—it was great

>>149722085
>He was an ageless immortal who had been around for some time.
It can't be overemphasized how weird it is that this is a series about Mars where an Earthly immortal gets there by astral projection.

>>149721808
>They were Americans too.
And that excuses giving away their lives to continue slaving people because...
Not everyone has the excuse of conscription or being young and fooled by propaganda.

>>149721392
The blue guy is hot as fuck

>>149721864
So you're just another sad little incel. Should have guessed.

You act like courtesy, gallantry and steel-backed fighting spirit are exclusive to racists. They're not. I'm not ashamed of being white, I am ashamed my country produced a turd like you.

>>149722179
And him being an immortal is established by an irrelevant throwaway line in the intro of the second or third book.

>>149722249
There's that word again. The last line of defense now that your institutions are collapsing around you. You're gonna be in for a hard next few years.

>>149721295
I laughed at that segment in the first book where it talks about out how the black slaves loved him because he fought for them to have proper homes and wages and no one questioned him on it because he had been leading the family to wealth and prosperity for decades and seen as the ghost patriarch

>>149722274
The jews loved slavery and were the ones who imported all the niggers plaguing this country. Fucking Lehman Brothers started out as jewish cotton merchants in fucking Alabama. Slavery and their mass importation was the most jewish thing to ever happen in the entire history of this entire continent. The abolitionists were all christcucks.

>>149722394
they don't like it when you point this out

>>149722258
>And him being an immortal is established by an irrelevant throwaway line in the intro of the second or third book
The opening narration of the first book also implies it.

>>149720087 (OP)
The Disney movie failed for a few unique reasons exclusive to Disney and that's hiring Non Attractive Actors to be the leads. Holy hell have you seen the old promotional images of the novels. Edgar Rice wanted John Carter and the princess to look like Conan the Barbarian. He wanted hot feminine women and tough macho men. Disney BRUTALLY failed at this. But its not a surprise since Disney is a twat cunt company so of course they would never hire hot actresses and masculine men.

The other problem no one here discusses is that no one cares about old shit like John Carter. It's like trying to sell people on other old shit like Island of Doctor Moreau. You are NOT going to easily get people to be interested in such old properties. There are enough Sci Fi properties in existence that John Carter can be dismissed.

And finally do you people seriously trust Modern Writers? I don't. I'm expecting garbage and I will not be watching by default. I suggest you do the same.

>>149722394
Be that as it may they've done an excellent job of maximizing and harnessing black hatred and resentment for slavery directed against whites

>>149722415
I think we just need to move on from the movie at this point it came out 13 years ago. Disney fucked up the marketing probably on purpose because they were shifting gears to the MCU. Tron legacy suffered the same fate too.

>>149720539
Considering what I know about most people who write kids books extremely high is more likely

>>149720295
Not all the books. And speaking of which those bastards from Edgar Rice estate keep insisting that things such as the first book are not public domain yet. I swear I wish someone would assassinate every member of that toxic estate. Not even the Sherlock Holmes estate was this tedious they at least acknowledged when the early Sherlock Holmes books were copyright free but the latter books weren't. These Edgar Rice bastards operate on greed logic that not even the first book is free to use. Fuck them.

>>149722481
better than the Zorro estate. But at least they put out all the old books and got aliens to rerelease the zorro alex toth books.

>>149721532
Mars is hot as fuck and there's no Christian puritanical tradition or nudity taboo, it's very bronze age in aesthetics, like how Greeks would wrestle naked and the Minoans had their tits out as normal fashion

>>149722507
yeah but it's a very dangerous and violent planet, with crumbling ruins and literal monstrous hordes rampaging around, surely they would have developed armor??

>>149722459
But its hilarious when you think about what you said, look at the current state of the MCU. And speaking of other Sci Fi things Disney bought Star Wars to royally fuck it up with Toxic Feminism. Bravo Disney!

Really goes to show that Disney is a very non masculine company unfit to ever handle masculine media. Look if I were the owner of a male brand like Transformers or Batman as examples and Disney approached me and said "We'd like to pay for the license to do a movie or cartoon with your property" I would outright say no specifically because Disney is Girl Shit.

>>149722481
Maybe in life + 80 years countries, but all of Burroughs entered in the public domain in most of the world by now.

>>149722481
>Not even the Sherlock Holmes estate was this tedious they at least acknowledged when the early Sherlock Holmes books were copyright free but the latter books weren't.
They tried to pull "the work is only complete when all the books hit the American public domain" card

>>149722502
Curious but what makes the Zorro estate so awful? Never heard any scandals with them. Thanks in advance.

>>149722516
It's been a while but I'm pretty sure armor would be basically useless against the weapons people use so they just go around basically naked with holsters and weapon harnesses to carry their guns/swords

>>149722538
They will sue you if your character looks like zorro, they even sued M&Ms

>>149722546
then why not use weapons as armor?

Am I the only one who feels like Barsoom would make a naturally great fit for video games?Dare I say a Soulslike? Like Helium would be your fully explorable hub city and then you venture out into the wild wastes of Mars. Melee combat and the atomic guns are fucking strong but have very limited ammo. Tons of sidequests from whoever you meet out there. It just sounds like an easy thing to adapt to a game.

>>149721101
>Outdated victorian eugenics super science is baked into the lore
The highest form of human life on Barsoom/Mars is the Black Martian, who are described multiple times by the author as being incredibly physically beautiful. They are above the white and red Martians.

>>149722546
i don't remember their weapons being any more powerful than regular swords, surely not enough to pierce a solid piece of armor

>>149720975
Of course not. Americans are proud homosexuals. They love designing the UGLIEST female characters ever. Why do you think ugly shit like Adventure Time and Steven Universe are popular. Americans LOVE their ugliness.

>>149722546
Yeah the radium weapons burrow through flesh and steel and at a certain temperature the munitions explode so a lot of battles take place at night with pauses for morning so the dead can be cleared before their bodies explode in a gory shower

>>149722559
their guns fire explosive atomic rounds so you can't really block that even with a sword. The reason melee combat is used is because everyone is a mega warrior culture honor-autist so if somebody only has a sword you're honor bound to only fight him with a sword yourself, there's no Dune shields or force fields or space marine power armor bullshit justifying melee combat, it's purely a ceremonial/honor thing

>>149722516
>>149722546
The whole NAKED thing was a gimmick to attract readership. Mars has a code of battle honor where you fight on equal weapon terms with foes; if a guy has a lance but his opponent only has a sword, you drop the lance and draw the sword. They have devastating radium projectile weapons, but only use them against ships and others using them. Armor would be useless against them, they blow holes in warships.

>>149722569
They weren't sub-Saharan African physically, they were Caucasians with obsidian skin like Salamanders.

>>149722599
>and at a certain temperature the munitions explode
I thought it was exposure to sunlight that set off the radium rounds?

>>149721068
To take a guess, they realize they are on borrowed time before all their properties are going to expire in terms of copyright. And when that happens they can no longer exclusively cash in. So they are doing it now in a desperate plea to beat their future rivals. I hope their endeavors end in failure. I hope this John Carter and Tarzan projects end up failing worse than Netflix Devil May Cry. I need to hear that they've failed simply out of spite. And don't act holier than thou we are human we want shitty estates to fall. So I hope these projects are not only failures but to ensure they fail hope they are woke.

>>149722612
Uh Huh.
Good luck with that one.

>>149722632
I mean they would only have to fail as badly as John Carter the movie, that was a pretty ebin fail.

>>149722629
Yeah it was sunlight. Sorry it’s been years.

>>149721407
Now if only Disney themselves would die but that's not happening. You insult Disney calling them dumb fuckers and yet their shitty animated movies and soulless live action remakes are still successful. Very few fail.

And Disney's theme park is still bringing in profit despite Universal's recent expansion. Disney is enjoying profit. They're not failing nowhere near close to enough.

>>149722413
I don't remember picking up on that, but its also been 15 years since I read it. Still think the weirdest part is how what would be the focal point for most protagonists is a bit of irrelevant trivia for John.

>>149721410
which is what makes those people so based. theyre not being gaslit anymore

>>149722538
>>149722553
Yeah, they clearly want to milk the property for every penny it’s worth. Still, it’s not all bad since we do get a lot of properties, and they are actively making new shows. But man, why on earth would they partner with a godawful publisher like American Mythology Comics for their horror books? Beyond that, they basically make a bunch of random Zorro license entertainment and products ranging from decent to godawful.

> Zorro goes to JAPAN!
>THE TAKARAZUKA REVUE Cosmos Troupe presents ZORRO THE MUSICAL
“Zorro – The Musical” is presented in association with Zorro USA LLC
Original Executive Producer – John Gertz
Coloring and direction/Takaya Tani

>>149722692
It was mentioned that he didn't look like he aged since the times of the narrator childhood

>>149721194
That's not a problem simply hire hitmen to kill them all and their families for acting like greedy leeches. That's grounds enough to kill them. No one is going to miss them.

>>149722692
In the first book he references that he's been physically 30 for literal ages.
The movie really failed to capture his 20 stat in Charisma too, the guy could charm literally anyone.

>>149721266
>Most of the books are public domain and they're unironically probably the most influential works of fiction just about ever.

Nah, I think mythological tales and fairy tales are much more respected and recognized than anything this dead corpse of a man wrote.

>>149722179
>It can't be overemphasized how weird it is that this is a series about Mars where an Earthly immortal gets there by astral projection.
It's basically an American Xianxia story before anyone in the western hemisphere knew what the fuck Xianxia was
Barsoom even has turbo-face saving culture where the bad guys would literally rather die than dishonor themselves by using a weapon/attack beyond those of their opponent, the same way in xianxia it's social suicide for elders to interfere with the younger generation/lower cultivation and you can literally be beaten to death by your own parents for doing so it's such an embarrassment

>>149722763
Fritz Lieber's Swords novels are at least if not more influential on modern fantasy than anything ever written, including LotR.
He invented so many of it's tropes it's not funny.

>>149722718

here is more stuff in the pipeline, (image unrelated but that is currently out)

> ‘Zorro’ Reimagination From Robert & Rebecca Rodriguez Rides On: CBS Developing New Iteration Co-Written By John Hlavin

>EXCLUSIVE: An eponymous gender-swapped reimagination of the classic masked vigilante Zorro is in the works at CBS from CBS Studios, sources tell Deadline. Zorro hails from filmmaker Robert Rodriguez, his writer-director sister Rebecca Rodriguez and Ben Silverman and Howard T. Owens’ Propagate.

>John Hlavin (The Man Who Fell To Earth) has joined the project— following Sean Tetra who wrote the second iteration of Zorro— as co-writer alongside Rebecca Rodriguez. The duo will pen a new original script for CBS.

In this contemporary take, a young Latinx woman discovers that her long-deceased father was the legendary hero Zorro. She takes on his masked persona to defend the desperate citizens of her Austin, Texas community from the wealthy forces seeking to exploit them.

>>149722763
troon ass post

>>149722687
Disney works are hitting the public domain, and Walt's death is nearing 70 years.
His works are already in the Chinese public domain

"In submitting Captain Carter’s strange manuscript to you in book form, I believe that a few words relative to this remarkable personality will be of interest.

My first recollection of Captain Carter is of the few months he spent at my father’s home in Virginia, just prior to the opening of the civil war. I was then a child of but five years, yet I well remember the tall, dark, smooth-faced, athletic man whom I called Uncle Jack.

He seemed always to be laughing; and he entered into the sports of the children with the same hearty good fellowship he displayed toward those pastimes in which the men and women of his own age indulged; or he would sit for an hour at a time entertaining my old grandmother with stories of his strange, wild life in all parts of the world. We all loved him, and our slaves fairly worshipped the ground he trod.

He was a splendid specimen of manhood, standing a good two inches over six feet, broad of shoulder and narrow of hip, with the carriage of the trained fighting man. His features were regular and clear cut, his hair black and closely cropped, while his eyes were of a steel gray, reflecting a strong and loyal character, filled with fire and initiative. His manners were perfect, and his courtliness was that of a typical southern gentleman of the highest type."

>>149722813
>Chinese public domain

LOL, everything is. China doesn't give a fuck about IP laws

>>149722031
We got multiple gundam series actively marketed to the west, an Armored Core, several indie mecha games actually as well, and localizations of an SRW+other gundam games in relatively quick succession.

Beyond that the Macross rights actually got mostly untangled, ending the embargo, and Battletech resurged too though in part supported by Warhammer shooting itself in the balls.

Compared to previous years it was a huge deal.

>>149722725
From the start of Chapter 1:
>I am a very old man; how old I do not know. Possibly I am a hundred, possibly more; but I cannot tell because I have never aged as other men, nor do I remember any childhood. So far as I can recollect I have always been a man, a man of about thirty. I appear today as I did forty years and more ago, and yet I feel that I cannot go on living forever; that some day I shall die the real death from which there is no resurrection. I do not know why I should fear death, I who have died twice and am still alive; but yet I have the same horror of it as you who have never died, and it is because of this terror of death, I believe, that I am so convinced of my mortality.

>>149721410
This is not an exxegeration . A stupid schoolteacher claimed white people would openly hunt and eat blacks into the 1970s.

>>149722792
>including LotR
Ironically enough, Tolkien's biggest hype mens are his detractors, they built this "fantasy is just Tolkien's clones" strawman, and completely ignore other authors.

>>149722798
That is automatic shit. Women being heroes is shit. Women inheriting the mantle of a male hero? FUCK YOU!!!

I don't even like Antonio Banderas' character getting the mask of Zorro. Every son of a bitch always tries to eliminate Diego being Zorro himself. And I'm tired of it. It happens often enough to be annoying anyone remember Zorro from the future? That's not Diego man, that's not Diego.

>>149722516
Martian animal life and weapons mean the amount of armor needed to withstand them was obscene so they just didn't really bother aside from decoration.

>>149722838
They do a bit to save face, and when dealing with the international market.

>>149722902
still what about just hurting your dick or balls on a rock or loose masonry, the whole planet is harsh and rocky or city rubble

>>149721797
The Germano-mongol angle that he mentions a lot in his letters as inspiration is basically the foundation of any non-Burroughs orc, otherwise though you're correct.

>>149721014
I would say they would make him a Hugh Glass, Davvy Crockett, Daniel Boone or James Beckwourth like frontiersman from a more earlier date than a American Civil War solider.

>>149722085
>>149722179
>>149722258
>>149722413
>>149722692
>>149722725
Burroughs apparently was building up to finally explaining Carter's deal alongside the stuff he was going to be doing with his "Men from Jupiter" thing but died before he got anywhere near it.

>>149722376
Bro really did just go
>Slavery is gay, pay the man
And the rest of the family just fucking went and did it.

>>149723005
Is there any letter or manuscript?

>>149720147
Maybe if they crowdfund it

>I do not believe that I am made of the stuff which constitutes heroes, because, in all of the hundreds of instances that my voluntary acts have placed me face to face with death, I cannot recall a single one where any alternative step to that I took occurred to me until many hours later. My mind is evidently so constituted that I am subconsciously forced into the path of duty without recourse to tiresome mental processes. However that may be, I have never regretted that cowardice is not optional with me.
Absolute Chad mindset.

>>149722818
What is the deal with the 'gray eyes' thing with these kind of characters? It goes back to at least King Arthur, but Conan also is described as having them

>>149722013
She's 10 now. I read her Princess of Mars when she was about 6. I have the nice Barnes & Noble collected edition.

>>149723127
regular blue eyes would be too pretty, they gotta be MANLY and STORMY and STEELY and GRAY instead

>>149723127
The death of Arthur was that influential

>>149720147
I hope not. The tiny gold accessories and loincloths are a way better look. I don't want to be watching John's nuts swaying for an hour to get to the ten minutes of screen time Dejah'd have her nips out.

>>149723127
It's cool.
Why do anime characters have weird hair and eyes? To make them stand out.

>>149722698
Naw they are overly angry about a complicated piece of American history and it's cringe

>>149720087 (OP)
John Carter is the ULTIMATE example of classic media that ONLY works if it's adapted 100% accurately.

>>149721298
Even with all of that said, the estate was involved with trying to sue Dynamite Entertainment, because Disney wanted to pretend they own the property. So you need money to stand up to their lawsuits or be famous enough to get away with it.

>>149723282
It's not complicated. Slavery only benefited the most wealthy and "privileged" AKA jew in the south. the average white would be better off if the jews weren't importing slaves to devalue the labor of free white men.

most whites didn't own slaves. Nearly every jew did

>>149722274
okay, princess.

>>149723451
Naw federal government vs state rights was the debate of America for more than a hundred years at the point of the civil war. Slavery was obviously the catalyst but to say every single soul fought for it explicitly without a heap of other reason is just stupid

>>149720087 (OP)
>spearheaded by the Burroughs estate
thats how you know it's DOA

>>149721147
yeah but theyre just tracing over that scene from primal

>>149722863
Ehhh, that's a huge stretch. Mecha still isn't really mainstream and likely will never be.

>>149721982
I had the Dejah and John Carter figs

>>149723297
Yes, you have to lean into the weird stuff and the crazy aesthetics, because the actual story is very basic and the weirdness is really the only aspect of the Barsoom property that hasn't already been copied many times over by other sci-fi. One of the reasons the Disney movie failed is because they played it safe and dialed back all the things that make the books stand out.

>>149722169
You're fucking stupid.

>>149722394
Literally,

>"white people did nothing wrong"
God you people are genuinely sad, stupid, cowardly, and insecure.

Wonder if they'll use the audio series VAs

>>149722415
You can get people to show up to literally anything if the timing and marketing are right. Dune was a totally dead franchise since the 80s, now it's mainstream again.

>>149720087 (OP)
I have heard nothing about this outside this place and Comic Con is over. This is probably fake.

>>149725107
>This is probably fake.

The estate literally announced it.

https://www.edgarriceburroughs.com/edgar-rice-burroughs-inc-announcesjohn-carter-warlord-of-mars-animated-series/

>>149721707
lol writing quill in one hand, raging erection in the other.

>>149725237
That's the only way to write pulp fiction

>>149721733
That's awfully anti-semetic of you.

Any half decent erotic cosplay for dejah thoris

>>149723926
States rights is a bullshit whitewash of the Confederates' motives when the only states rights they cared about was slavery. They weren't fighting over any other state right.

>>149725317
Dynamite comics literally does cosplay variant covers

>>149721954
The majority of Confederate soldiers fought for the same reason soldiers everywhere fought throughout history. They had no choice. If they deserted they would be shot or hung if caught and even if they weren't, their families would be made to suffer.

>>149725352
And yet the statues getting torn down are all statues of the leadership that volunteered and lead those conscripts to their death in a futile war to continue profiteering off slave labor. No one involved in the Confederate leadership was a good person who deserves any sort of respect.

>>149722026
It troubles me to see you speak of the Jews so. Slavery is a Jewish tradition going back to antiquity. It's not their fault it clashes with your modern sensibilities.

>>149722049
I am troubled that you condone a genocide of Jews.

>>149722415
Disney tanked the movie because they had just bought Marvel and were in negotiations to buy Lucasfilm. They no longer wanted to build an ERB franchise. So they put the movie out there with almost no ad campaign and little support and let it flop.

>>149722569
pic unrelated

>>149722517
I remember seeing a bit on YouTube about this. It was about how Disney was a girl brand and that they bought Marvel and Star Wars to have boy brands, and then almost immediately began feminization of them.

>>149722698
Yeah, they're so based they went around tearing down statues of everyone, including Abe Lincoln and Frederick Douglas. Fucking retards.

>>149725386
I like the way you crawfish, son. We went from "every single Confederate should have been shot" to "the statues being torn down were of the leaders, so that's okay."

>>149721473
>Carter being a Confederate soldier adds
To the fact that he's an gifted swordsman and horseman you fucking retard. The south held for so damn long in part because being a bunch of rural rich fucks they're more trained in arts that make better soldiers.

>>149725723
>We went from "every single Confederate should have been shot" to "the statues being torn down were of the leaders, so that's okay."

I don't know what the fuck you mean by "crawfish" (is that some sort or retarded southern slang) but there's contradictory about those. Those who fought for the south are all traitors deserving of death, and all the statues are of their leaders so the "muh poor widdle confederate soldiers deserve respect" bullshit doesn't apply to them.

Don't want to die fighting for an army trying to draft you into a bullshit war? Frag an officer and defect to the other side.

>>149721036
I've thought about how funny it would be to modernize John Carter as an ex-slave. I'll admit to having only read the first book so far but in terms of his background there's really nothing substantial there that HAS to be present other than being southern and polite. The specific type of polite southern he is is also very prevalent in southern black folks so it works weirdly well.

>>149721443
It depends are you talking about sickel cell or busting out the calipers?

>>149726106
Then why didn't they win?

>>149722415
I would have been marginally more interested in that movie if I knew at the time it even took place on mars.

IMO this seems like the sort of thing that might be 'too late' to be a real hit. The Barsoom stories were so influential there's a real chance it won't feel fresh to modern audiences anymore. There's also two specific factors that contributed to it's popularity that would be lost on modern audiences:

>the setting was inspired by then popular speculation about Mars harboring life
When Burroughs was writing lay people really thought Mars could be harboring life. The setting has a canal system because 'canals' had been observed on Mar's surface. This was just an optical illusion but one that fueled a lot of belief and excitement. For a long time people believed Venus could be habitable too, these hopes fueled the planetary romance genre. Definitive proof of the barrenness of Mars and Venus via photography and improved telescopic technology smothered these fantasies. Our solar system turned out to be pretty disappointing in that respect and that impacted pulp fiction. Burroughs was writing for people who could still believe that maybe the stories had a kernel of truth but people now know better and don't have that same sense of wonder.

>the nudity was a big draw
You can access millions of videos and pictures of pornography on your phone now so it's easy to lose sight of how much of a draw the nudity in the books was at the time. If the animated adaptation wants to capture that same appreciation the characters have to actually be naked because bikinis and speedos isn't gonna impress anyone.

>>149727202
>The Barsoom stories were so influential there's a real chance it won't feel fresh to modern audiences anymore.
Your other two points are something to consider but I think this is honestly the biggest issue. These kind of classics won't have the same impact because they were foundational to many ideas in fiction even to this day but won't feel new to modern audiences removed so far from the original source.

>>149721392
>and putting out some new seuqles
That's not something I'd expect. Are any of those good? Don't think I've ever seen mention of them.

>>149721725
It's not right after the first book. It's at least four or five before things get more out there and he's fighting dinosaurs or battling alongside a lost colony of crusaders. And even then they mostly keep them in Africa so it's not too out there. The most out there things get is stuff like that mutated ape scientist who was giving apes enhanced intelligence in his search for immortality or that mind control jewel city thing.

>>149722179
It's weird isn't it? Like the guy brings up dying a couple times and even gets to Mars when that cave of gas kills him in the first place. I don't even really know what it added. It was just a weird little detail about him. I don't even really think the story would have changed much if he hadn't been immortal. I guess it may have been awkward since the Martians were also effectively immortal, long lived anyway, so him growing old could spoil some of the adventures.

>>149722563
Consider the way John Carter would respawn I think you may be onto something.

>>149722718
Horror books?

>>149723005
Wasn't the last last John Carter book partially written by Burroughs son and pieces and some of Burroughs old manuscripts? Did it not being any of that up?

>>149725379
Fucking perfect holy shit. Make her your poster girl.

>>149726106
How many common soldiers had horses or used swords? Stop romanticizing your inbred ancestors.

>>149721032
It's just Spider from Avatar lol

>>149724897
Nobody is interested in your pathetic revenge fantasies, brownoid.

>>149725320
Anon you don't understand how intrinsic state identity was to Americans back then. The white washing is saying the whole ordeal was purely a moral crusade against slavery

>>149721982
>includes realistic cheetah
That's clearly a chimpanzee.

>>149722563
Better for a Just Cause-alike.

>>149722569
>Someone's going to get weird if I say them being black made them prettier
>Buuuut..

>>149722569
shieeeeet

>>149724964
Tim Russ as Tars Tarkas? Curtain up!

>>149721101
>>149722569
A proper adaptation would actually trigger the entire spectrum of the culture war. The black martians are at the top but actively practice slavery and cannibalism while being total barbarians

>>149728896
Yikes.

>>149728896
>>149729511
Don't forget John's assessment of the first born's queen
>“I mean that I thought her the most repulsive and vilely hideous creature my eyes ever had rested upon.”

>>149729583
Are the comics good?

>>149728022
Every culture romanticizes their inbred slaveholding ancestors. The Turks do it for the Ottomans, the Congolese do it for the Dahomey. But the American south can't do it?

>>149729633
Yeah, because they were white. Don't you realize how this works by now?

>>149729624
Its been many years since I've read any tbqh, so I don't recall which series are worthwhile

>>149729583
Wait a second... Martians go naked. Is the big bald man abducting Dejah red above the waist but have black legs?

I hate (well not really) how Dejah Thoris has become like the de facto thicc science fiction cockslut when ERB repeatedly described her as petite. Even the original cover depicted her as looking fragile, thin and mysterious and like an Egyptian princess.

>>149729746
The heart wants what the heart wants.

>>149720230
I'm disappointed that the movie flopped, it was so good

>>149720087 (OP)
So did the panel at SDCC happen? Was anything revealed?

>>149720147
>Odds on Thoris being naked?
On Mars, women only wear jewelry to cover themselves. Sex is common and normalized but kissing on lips is taboo.

>>149729746
It was Princess Leia's slave bikini in Return Of The Jedi, that outfit was inspired by Dejah Thoris, so it in turn inspired newer versions of Dejah Thoris.

>>149729746
>like an Egyptian princess.
>thicc science fiction cockslut

Cause egyptian princess!

>>149721147
Wtf. If Martian Queen did that, then Daffy would not be beating the "He is actually a martian" allegations. Ducks and martians laying eggs...who ever knew.

>>149729633
Yeah, and it's fucked up every time. Ataturk wasn't an ottoman romanticist, he was very much a humanist who wanted to modernize and secularize the Turks. The Congo is an unstable mess largely because of the long-term damage done by the slaving kingdoms, which exacerbated ethnic tensions and stripped entire villages of their people and property. Here, I'll even give you more examples: Gandhi was assassinated by hindu nationalists. German/Italian/Japanese nationalists who were high off the idea of reenacting the violence of their history killed off or drove away their own best and brightest, then dragged their countries into an apocalyptic hyper-war. Muslims romanticizing their past directly led to several dictatorships, a fistful of genocides, and tons of internecine violence.

Insisting on romanticizing one's inbred slaveholding ancestors rather than acknowledging that they were fucked up and evil is universally, across every human society and ethnic group, a sign of being a dipshit. And the more the broader culture indulges them, the worse that culture gets, until it end up a backwards shithole full of morons, like russia.

>>149731080
Ataturk was a genocidal dictator.

>>149731080
You're just crying about people taking it too far. It's not inherently some end of the world evil especially when it's only relevance is the character's backstory. Mine for gold elsewhere

>>149720301
The artists all seem to know that Mars has two moons - and then they proceed to depic them as being gigantic, looming in the sky.

>>149731424
It looks cool

>>149731424
The real Martian moons look like prunes.

A bit off topic but has anyone else read "In the courts of the crimson kings" by S.M. Stirling? It's not Barsoom but there's a lot of Burroughs' influence in there. It was quite good.

>>149732033
Yeah it's pretty good. The bio-tech the Martians used was neat, especially when their 'equipment' went feral and started attacking people.

>>149721725
The weirdest Tarzan story in my opinion was the one where he encounters shrunken men and Tarzan himself gets shrunk. I swear it was like Alice in Wonderland. The difference is that in Alice in Wonderland every fantastical thing like Alice shrinking and growing is a dream. For Tarzan? He getting shrunk is real. No different than the story The Amazing Shrinking Man or Gulliver's Travels.

And I find it hilarious that most normies don't realize any of this. Over a hundred years and people still think Tarzan is a grounded realistic story of a man surviving in the jungle.

>>149721982
Tarzan's face alone is hilarious in this toy. He looks like he's seen lots of weird traumatic shit. Imagine if this Tarzan toy was in the Disney movie Toy Story. That would be hilarious.

>>149731443
I wonder if they are oversized in proportions with the excessive attributes of the semi naked females.

>>149731993
True, yet the artists show them as massive and spherical.
Of course, two large moons would be nice, or perhaps a second moon in orbit around our moon, and why not an ice ring like Saturn too when we are speculating? Ah yes, the things we could have had.

>>149729645
I can see where Starfire from Teen Titans got inspired from even if DC won't admit it.

And its a real shame we don't get designs like this. Nah we have to endure ugly shit like Elio, Steven Universe, Adventure Time and the big overrated one that you BASTARDS always defend Lilo and Stitch. I don't care what anyone says Lilo and Stitch has a shoddy art style. When was the last time animated media had a decent art style? The first Ben Ten cartoon? That's an old show.

>>149732497
>When was the last time animated media had a decent art style?
x-men 97

>>149721473
fags are only accusing you of being brown because they're in denial about how true this is

>>149731171
See, acknowledging and disdaining the sins of the past, that's the spirit!

>>149732465
Artists always show moons as massive. I think it's down to the fact that IRL, you can see the moon pretty well, but it's hard to bring across that kind of fidelity and prominence in art without making it big.

>>149729746
We are humans we like sexy thick females with assets and capable looking men because even in your image John Carter looks skinny and kind of frail. The following promotional art for the novels beefed him up. There is no denying that so long as humanity exists we prefer the strongest best looking specimens in media. Again those are sexy females and strong men.

Because let me give you an example if you told me, who would you like to be the protagonist of How To Train Your Dragon, Hiccup the skinny dude or Doom Slayer with the cool cyborg dragon? Nigga I'm going with Doom Slayer because he looks strong capable tough and powerful. Astrid be getting plowed by Doom Guy.

>>149729746
>the de facto thicc science fiction cockslut
I promise you no one except the most autistic faggots on this site or others like it thinks that, there's no "de facto" anything here you are obsessing over pointless labels and shit

>>149725519
What Disney did to start wars & marvel is like being company based on being vegan but wanting to expand so you buy a massively popular steakhouse chain & then turn the entire chain into vegan chain and stop serving any meat & then wondering why the chain isn't popular anymore

>>149732518
Touche but it's still not common. You need to fight tooth and nail to get art styles like this to happen. The big excuse executives use against you is...

"Such detailed art styles cost more to animate so you better make your cartoon look geometric and lame like Samurai Jack or Bluey or Phineas and Ferb."

You know this is the truth. You can't do universal appealing art styles readily. And then you have the woke freaks opposing you.

It's nuts how John Carter is so well known for being Frazetta core but nobody wants to a version that looks like that

>>149720087 (OP)
>Hopefully better than the Disney movie.

The Disney movie was actually excellent. It just had no budget for marketing, or I guess stupid marketing that didn't tell you what the movie was about.

>>149732620
>Samurai Jack

That show really could have benefited from not using Genndy's art style. It's supposed to be a serious story of a samurai on a dangerous quest fighting all kinds of dangerous aliens and robots. It's basically Genndy's John Carter in certain respects. Certain elements are obviously inspired by John Carter like the giant green alien tigers from the final season that the wolf fought.

>>149721473
>>149732566
How exactly does it add nothing? Martian society is a collection of races that all hate each other, kill or enslave based on racial differences, and have entire religious concepts centered on race. John being a Confederate is definitely something that adds to the story even if Burroughs doesn't hammer it into the reader

>>149732579
>>149732584
LMAO

>>149732675
I don't know dude. There are movies that fail at the box office yet become beloved classics like Its A Wonderful Life because they become readily available in reruns or to buy on DVD.

Disney's John Carter did not get that luxury. Even Star Trek Wrath of Kahn has its loyal devoted cult following even now.

>>149732675
Been awhile since I've seen it, but I remember it adapting the first book pretty closely

>>149732675
It's a very safe, generic, derivative movie that didn't take enough risks to stand out from the competition. It didn't suck but there's a reason it's largely forgotten even by the people who enjoyed it.

>>149720147
Low. Nudity might bump the rating to adults only

>>149732654
It would be hard to animate.

>Peak into thread.
>Libtards ruin it.
Every time.

>>149733710
Just a reminder that a rogue animator added some extra bounce to Ladybug in the Miraculous show. Technically, it can be done. Broadcasters might not appreciate the physics of it all.

The Tharks are commies.

>>149732738
He doesn't need to be a confederate for this to work. He could be Union. Or an ex slave. Or just be Black or Native American. For all of the other reasons you might feel these options wouldn't work for the ones you stated he doesn't need to be a confederate solider for that to function. Hell he'd just need to be a human being who lived through a war based conflict.

>>149734004
This reminds me when they made Turok a black single father who gets rescued by dino lesbos.

>>149734004
No one cares about some arbitrary idea of it "working" or not. He's a Confederate in the source material and it can be directly tied to larger themes of the series and lore. Get your faggot hypothetical pc version outta here

>>149732390
Tarzan And The Ant Men was a trip for sure. And the way he just shrugs off the whole adventure once it was over made these bizarre detours funnier to think about.

How long until his last book enters the public domain?

>>149734357
2059

>>149734134
>they made Turok a black single father who gets rescued by dino lesbos

What? I only played the Turok game for Nintendo 64 but I though he was some sort of injun.

>>149735144
Yeah Turok was always a Native but to liberals all people of colour are interchangeable.

>>149732738
You know, that's an interesting angle. I still don't think he NEEDS to be an ex-confederate for it, I agree with >>149734004 that it still works as a parallel if he's a union vet or an ex-slave or whatever, but it is at least more justification than none at all.

If one was doing the type of adaptation that expands on stuff rather than being a 1-to-1 retelling, you could even use that angle for a line or two, cast John Carter's adventures and diplomacy as him being the Martian Great Uniter.

John's a Confederate get over it.

>>149735360
More to the point he's white. End of story. Nobody wants to see Jigaboo Jackson on Mars.

>>149735214
Oh wait Black Turok is real? Are the lesbian dinos real too? Anon don't tell me you made up the coolest part of that sentence.

>>149735424
The Dino lesbians are real so are the dino nazis.

>>149721266
>they're unironically probably the most influential works of fiction just about ever
Close, just go one generation further back to H Rider Haggard

>>149734101
Not saying that's what we want to happen, just that's what's probably going to happen.

>>149721295
Have you reac Tarzan dude? The entire premise of that book is that an aristocratic Englishman is just so innately superior by virtue of his genes that it doesn’t even matter that he was raised in the jungle by monkeys.

Not saying you can’t enjoy these books, just find it silly to do the whole song-and-dance about how something that’s obviously problematic is “actually” woke

>>149735662
I think you're vastly underestimating the effect the being raised by the mysterious anthropoids had on Tarzan. It's constantly brought up as part of his core characteristic. That it was the raising by the apes that elevated him up. Every other Englishman who's supposed to be Nobel or whatever falls apart in the jungle. Even his own cousin can't come close. Hell not even Englishmen but any other human can't really compete. The only time we see others who do are the Waziri who he trained in the ways he learned and Jane who he also trained. Everyone else falls far behind regardless of race.

>>149720087 (OP)
Are they trying to cash in on the isekai craze?

>>149735662>>149735735
I thought he was in the mold of "noble savage" which was a big topic back in the day.

>>149735892
Didn't that craze end nearing four or five years ago?

>>149735434
Well at the very least there's one Edgar Rice Burroughs character they can't raceswap.

>>149735983
It's still going strong from what I can see in Japan.

>>149735955
Exactly. It's the nobility of the beasts that is repeated time and again to be Tarzan's core advantage. The fearlessness and skills that he's gained from a life raised by the apes and among the beasts of Africa. He's one of the biggest examples of the noble savage ideal.

>>149729633
Everyone who does it is an asshole. If you don't think it's fucked up to do so, you're also an asshole.

>>149735375
>Nobody wants to see Jigaboo Jackson on Mars.
I kinda do now.

>>149736124
People yearn for niggas in space.

>>149735662
>Did you read this different book.
>Never mind that I'm misrepresenting it and ignoring the fact that being raised by Gorillas makes him superior to all Englishmen, but it says you're wrong about that other book. because I say it does.
Retard-kun....

>>149736105
Yeesh Drama queen

>>149736033
Weird. I thought it had hit it's apex a bit ago but I guess it's still the main genre over there?

>>149736146
Space is black, so black people are naturally camouflaged.

On a somewhat more serious not, being black would legitimately be preferable in space, since it confers a small buff to resistance against solar radiation, which is higher in most places in the solar system than it is on Earth's surface.

>>149736499
It fills a cultural need that unlike in america isn't demonized as bad or evil by the people who make the product.

>>149736146
Zero G afros, think of the possibilities.

>>149736695
I actually am working on a sci-fi story with a black protagonist and a potential gag I've been laughing to myself about is his constant struggle to find a decent haircut until he finally finds the race of aliens with kinky hair and nearly cries.

This parallel thread over in the parallel world of /cgl/ seems relevant: >>>/cgl/10950246

>>149727202
>You can access millions of videos and pictures of pornography on your phone now so it's easy to lose sight of how much of a draw the nudity in the books was at the time.
You can, but you can't access a sci-fi fantasy epic that just happens to have casual nudity all the time. That's a pretty specific itch that the stuff you can access online won't scratch.

>>149730311
There was stuff like the Frazetta artwork and the 1970s Marvel Warlord of Mars comic even before that, too.

>>149720087 (OP)
Please. It's a post 2016 world.
>John Carter will be a Confederate deserter who had been pressed into service and will spend the entire movie being "one of the good ones" and making heckin' enlightened anachronistic quips about social justice.
>Thoris will be a black woman painted red because THAT'S LITERALLY ALL THEY EVER DO WITH ANY WOMAN WHO ISN'T A NORMAL COLOR. She'll also be dressed conservatively or, at most, in a safe horny bodysuit.
>We'll get a Mario Movie fish out of water story where Thoris has to keep showing John how to do everything from swing a sword to wipe his ass. Only you better believe the Burroughs estate won't have the clout to make Hollywood not make John a fuckup unlike Nintendo.

>>149732518
Sexo

>>149732350
>bio-tech the Martians used
The toilets that "ate" waste was brilliant and disturbing at the same fime.

>>149724964
Glad that the audio series is going along nicely, hopefully we can get all the books adapted.

>>149727871
I have not read them yet but they have been publsihing them steadily year after year for the last four to five years I think.

https://edgarriceburroughs.com/store/edgar-rice-burroughs-universe/

>>149732675
Honestly, I wouldn’t be surprised if Disney cut the marketing budget to prop up the MCU movies. I don’t blame them for focusing on what sold — for a good portion of the 2010s, Marvel, Pixar, and Disney Animation were unstoppable when it came to making money. But I do wish they hadn’t treated so many of their other properties so poorly. Now that Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm are in decline, they don’t have much else left to fall back on.

>>149727202

They should have made a big push for John Carter adaptations back in the 1960s or 1970s. Maybe they did but I didn't research. That era might have pulled it off.

>>149729624
I believe the first few Dynamite John Carter-related series are good. Don't remember specific numbers right now.

When you see the art getting worse, you can tell the rest of the quality will drop as well..

>>149741169
Cool. Been interested in seeing how the comics play out considering there seems to be a group of fans for it that only ever checked out the comics.

>>149736013
kek

>>149735892
No?

>>149729645
Hot

>>149727202
I think the "what could be" aspect of planetary romance is still extant in science fiction to varying degrees. There's space operas where the universe opened up via technological breakthroughs, like Star Trek, and there's stories where humans have MADE Mars and Venus resemble the planetary romance and built up the solar system to be less hostile, like Cowboy Bebop. There's still a real appetite for fun, adventurous science fiction that's also realistic enough to not come across as pure fantasy, it's just not as well-served as it was when the great pulp and hard science fiction magazines were still being published.

As to the titillation aspect, there's also an appetite for that, you just need to replace nudity alone with some properly indulgent fanservice. A gene-modified or mutant girl with cat ears or whatever, robot/cyborgs who look and act hot, spacesuits that are form-fitting rather than hardshells, medbays that make use of mecha-tentacles to inspect and inject, etcetera. The right combination of teasing implication and appeal to specific tastes still goes far in eroticism, even nowadays.

I genuinely think that whoever the next artist/author who gets the formula right is, they're going to be a MASSIVE hit.

>>149744697
I'd love to have seen the reaction when that was unveiled. Were there people pretending it was great? Did they realize they'd fucked up? Or did they just not care, so long as it sent the message?

>>149740952
I think there was a studio that wanted to make a movie back then, but the projected budget was insane.

>>149726863
Because being superior soldiers with superior leaders for most of the war doesn't matter when you're outnumbered and outgunned and also balancing the politics of running a loose confederation of states instead of a federal tyranny.
>>149728022
>How many common soldiers had horses or used swords?
What does this fucking matter to the argument about John Carter? He's a Virginian genteel and officer.

>>149720147
Low. In the source material she always has those nipple clam things.

>>149739909
IIRC what actually happened is that after much hemming and hawing somebody who was a huge fan of the books and had been carrying a torch for the project finally got into a position to push production through via selling them on the idea that it could be their Star Wars and a successor to PotC, basically the 2nd boy brand they wanted desperately at the time to bolster the MCU. Prior to that it was a pet project he'd been fighting hard for but never managed to do more than wheel spin in preproduction waiting for the greenlight.

And then like halfway through production Disney finalized the work for the Star Wars buy out. Suddenly they HAD Star Wars and not only thought they didn't need Princess of Mars, but this project [that was moderately unpopular internally] was seen as a threat and "brand dilution" that would undermine Star Wars making back the several billion dollar loss they just went in for, so they strangled its advertising and tweaked things a bit to kill it on purpose.

And then they proceeded to not make a single cent of profit on Star Wars for like a decade straight almost and the moment they did immediately dove back into the hole with it. LMAO.

Legit I hope someone buys the movie rights and kills them with it.

>>149745212
Tbh Japan has been the inheritor of the Pulp ethos for a long time now. Light Novels are basically just pulps for a foreign market. So all this checks out.

>>149745773
I always knew this in my bones.

>>149745212
Isn't guardians of the galaxy and gundam what John Carter as a archetype evolving into? Space Action Adventure Pulp with grounded modern society commentary?

the race of head swappers did a number on my teenaged fetishes

>>149720087 (OP)
*stuffs face into those bare armpits*

>southerner named Carter
I'm surprised they didn't parody the hell out this back in the 70's, have him fighting giant martian rabbits or something.

>>149747607
Ron Marz found his destiny.

>>149746803
It certainly was a bizarre story idea.

>>149746803
The ones who keep headless naked red people as mounts and food?

>>149720947
Barsoom would be the best suited to anime because of the nudity.

>>149721473
Make Carter a Southern Unionist easy peasy

This is unironically more like how Dejah's body type was described, slim and girlish not a curvy booba bombshell

>>149745773
Star Wars is more valuable than John Carter but holy hell Disney being the Girl Shit company utterly ruined Star Wars. And Lucas is not innocent he KNEW that Feminist Bitch was going to ruin everything not simply Star Wars alone. Lucas demanded of Disney that the Feminist Bitch never got fired. So Star Wars was ruined by a team effort, Lucas, Feminist Bitch, and Disney naturally being Girl Shit.

John Carter and frankly any adventurous male driven properties are safer in Non Disney Hands. Don't even bother saying "But Disney makes masculine movies once in a blue moon!" Nigger I don't care for Disney the Estrogen Factory. Fuck you simply because fuck YOU.

And one other thing the industry is not healing. Annoying shitty feminism is still active in the culture which emasculates male characters. I can't believe how many retards think the new Superman is actually cool and macho. Fuck you for being stupid.

>>149749442
Not these days. Even the Ranma remake has batardized the nudity. Anime right now is going through their "woke" era sort of speak. So maybe in ten years after you and everyone here is dead. That's the time to make anything. You need to be dead of course.

>>149750067
>So maybe in ten years after you and everyone here is dead.
... I'm 19. Do you know something I don't?

>>149749422
yes

>>149745777
Yes, mangas are even published in poor quality paper anthology magazines

>>149747607
Show me her feet

>>149752466
You raise an interesting point that I wonder if any of the comics took into account. Weren't the Martians supposed to all have perfectly symmetrical feet? I remember the narration would occasionally bring it up as a physical difference that John Carter would occasionally mentally comment on.

>>149749792
Yeah she's lithe rather than curvy.

>>149720147
0%

>>149720973
>Assuming this isn't a woke mess that reimagines the source m
You already know what the answer is.

>>149745588
You're making the argument the he's a great swordsman and fighter because he's southern. If he is immortal/centuries old, only a small amount of his life was spent in the south, so that has jack shit to do with his personality & demeanor.

>>149747814
It was a different time and Carter was a lot more upstanding than his predecessors. There was though an awful lot of animated peanuts dancing across the screens.

>>149754775
>so that has jack shit to do with his personality & demeanor
So you've never read the books?

>>149754775
Yeah the first 30 years of his life living in the south didn't shape him at all eh?

>>149721052
>Maybe it'll be like a Teen Titans version of the source material
More like Teen Titans GO

>>149755177
Sadly, it could be. TTG is apparently very popular.

>>149720087 (OP)
>https://toonado.com/cartoons/john-carter-of-mars-will-return-in-a-new-animated-series-aiming-to-reinvigorate-the-classic-sci-fi-saga-a9909
The picture shows no less than 3 moons in the sky, and one is absolutely huge. An upgrade from the two we know today?

>>149754940
I have all 13 paperbacks, fartsmeller.

>>149754941
He didn't spend the first 30 years of his life in the south.

>>149756582
Is that picture official promotional material? It looks like AI slop someone at the toonado site generated just to have an image to go with the article.

>>149756871
Where is Virginia?

>>149756938
Not where the ageless immortal spent the first 30 years of his life.

>>149757028
Then where?

>>149757110
He doesn't remember a time before he was around 30.

>>149757136
He doesn't remember his childhood, He's still a Southerner. It's like saying Wolverine isn't Canadian because he doesn't remember his past.

>>149756849
So then why aren't you familiar with the dozens of times he equates some reaction he has or an action he takes to the fact that he's a gentleman from Virginia?

what are the most coomerific big tiddy john carter comics? asking for research

>>149757792
I want to know too

>>149757792
Seconding, a-also for research purposes of course...

>>149757792
The one fan one that talked up how it was being book accurate and had R Crumb inspired art.

>>149756849
No need to call each other names, guy!

>>149721982
Wheres the damn CHEETAH
they trademarked Realistic Cheetah and there just isn't one?

>>149758959
That one is more of a goofy novelty than anything else. The art style is not pleasant to look at.

>>149721982
If there is a new show coming I hope it has some decent figures.

>>149761296
We're overdue. Did the Disney film even have merch?

>>149761781
If it did, I doubt it sold well...

>>149747607
Sexo

>>149741169
>>149741169
>When you see the art getting worse, you can tell the rest of the quality will drop as well..
That's because at some point ERBs estate got involved and sent dynamite press a list of dos and donts if they wanted to keep publishing their comics. Even though John Carter is a public domain character, and they're well within their rights.

>>149761781
It was gonna get a tie-in video game, that got cancelled before it was even halfway done because the movie bombed.

>>149763699
Damn. That would have been about when tie in stuff stopped being so common too wouldn't it have been? Odds are slim we'd get any kind of game now.

>>149763963
Even though it's in the public domain there hasn't been a single John Carter of Mars video made. Not even a low budget adult one, which I was very surprised about considering naked red alien women are essential to the lore.

>>149764026
there was that one before the disney movie but it was kinda.... eeh
i think even disney joked about it being not good

>>149720087 (OP)
>John Carter can't take off because it's not well known
>It's not well known because it can't take off
So if this cartoon doesn't get people interested in it safe to say John Carter missed any chances of relevancy because it didn't get an adaptation in the 20th century? Like imagine a world where Arnold never played Conan and the movie didn't exist. Would anyone besides hardcore nerds be aware of him and his influence?

>>149764376
Effectively, yeah. You got it. I imagine someone a while from now will try again but this will likely be the biggest chance the franchise will have to get relevant again in modern times. Which is a lot to stake. Seems like The Edgar Rice Burroughs estate is trying to revitalize John Carter and Tarzan this year or next likely for the reason you say. That this is likely a last chance to put the franchises on the public conscious for a while.

>>149764451
It's actually a great time to do it with how starved people are for space opera and sci fi action stories, but it'd have to maintain some of that grit and not get too gay with changing shit. Unlikely, but imagine how sweet it would be for a politically incorrect John Carter adaptation to steal the Star Wars crowd after that whole shit show

>>149764523
>politically incorrect John Carter adaptation
Honestly a completely faithful adaptation of the books wouldn't even be considered politically incorrect except by the most insane like 1% of terminally online weirdos, this is the thing that people unfamiliar with the stories never seem to understand. The entire storyline of the Barsoom novels is basically John Carter going around and using he super earth jumping powers and and inspirational speeches to teach a bunch of racist city states to get along and unite against the influence of organized religion. The female characters all have agency and are largely shown to be extremely competent. Outside of the standard retarded modern day feminist rejection of women showing skin in any context, there is literally nothing for them to get mad at.

>>149764901
>Honestly a completely faithful adaptation of the books wouldn't even be considered politically incorrect
After 2020 anything with a confederate soldier as the main character is going to get those kinds of people outraged on social media and physically violent in real life. There is no studio in or out of Hollywood right now that wants that kind of smoke.

>>149764901
>>149764953
Yup ignore the woke faggots and just make it. We'll never get a steady flow of genuinely great art until this mindset is the norm

>>149764901
>Outside of the standard retarded modern day feminist rejection of women showing skin in any context,
I'm old enough to remember when it was the right wing conservatives who wanted sexy women in video games and comics cancelled. I never once thought back then that my side would become the prudes.

>>149765016
It's not going to become the norm for a while until people can rest assured that by making a video game with an edgy theme, wont end with an angry mob at their house.

>>149747607
The writer of this comic is literally named Ron Mars. You can't make this shit up.

>>149764523
It would be a nice change to see John Carter, the series that helped inspire so much of science fiction, to come back and take the stage again. Honestly I'd like to see it.

Honestly I hate that we're living in this weird in-between world where "adult animation" that isn't just family guy ripoffs is actually becoming much more widely accepted as viable in the west, but the only actually good stuff made by people who give a shit and just want to make something of substance like Pantheon and Scavengers Reign are still failing and dying in obscurity because of retarded studios not knowing how the fuck to promote them or actively locking them away on obscure streaming services nobody has, and meanwhile the only stuff seeing mainstream success is low effort DUDEVIOLENCE shit like Invincible and The Boys spinoffs.

>>149765142
There were 2 Spider-Man films directed by a man named Marc Webb

>>149764376
Being fair it's a pretty wide variety of hardcore nerds, and outside of the US, like all pulps, he's more respected, but yeah....

>>149765348
He is more accessible thanks for the "life + X years" law, in the US, some parties really didn't want for Howard's original tales e manuscripts to be reprinted, only the edits

>>149765401
What are some of the more notable examples of those edits censoring Howard? Conan is honestly pretty tame with racial language and depictions compared to John Carter

>>149764376
The Marvel Conan The Barbarian comics singlehandedly saved the chararacter from irrelevancy. If these hadnt happened, the Schwarzeneggar Conan movies would have never happened.
Shame Marvel couldn't do the same for John Carter, although they did try for a while.

>>149765401
>some parties really didn't want for Howard's original tales e manuscripts to be reprinted, only the edits
Let me take a wild guess why. Racism? He was pen pals with HP Lovecraft after all.

>>149765448
It is more that they wanted to publish their versions of the story, not Howard's.
Basically stealing the credits

>>149765163
Question is will the "Modern Audience" and the people in entertainment and politics who enable them allow it to happen?

>>149765465
Yes it was "racism" even though the Conan stories aren't racist

>>149765527
racism is when main character is white, chud

>>149721407
Check out Dune if you haven't. It influenced... basically every early scifi, Star Wars included. Alien owes its existence completely to Dune, since they wanted to make a Giger designed Dune movie before the David Lynch one, but it fell through cause it was too expensive to do. They recycled the designs to make Alien.

Also, check Forbidden Planet. It predates Dune, it was the first big budget sci-fi movie back in the 50s. It was so well done that it holds up good even today (especially if you are sick to fuck to CGI vomit). A lot of the stuff that Star Trek had was directly taken from this movie. Best of all: it's starring Leslie Nielsen of Airplane and Naked Gun fame. It was his first big role. You can barely recognize him as a young man.

>>149765622
fuck, forgot pic.

>>149765465
Unironically, Howard was a Minority with a capital M in his day. Conan was basically the equivalent of Black Panther.

People try to whitewash the past and pretend Lovecraft was a gigaracist, but that's just survivorship bias in action because unlike most other people his letters survived the wars and didn't get recycled during the paper shortages thanks to his vast coalition of gay minority swinger friends who regularly recommended him for various honors and positions.

Dude's stories are literally all about trying to figure out the answers to if it's the true science and nature of the universe or the emotional heart of humanity that is antithetical to human success and happiness basically and concluding that for all that they're supposed to be the ideal man, your well ready anglo-saxon christian like him would probably snap like a twig mentally if he ever actually got an answer to those questions. He was all about the struggle between mankind's nature and reason and if they were rendering mankind to be trapped forever in torment as an insignificant collection of apes.

A lot of his subtext and themes are surprisingly harsh towards the culture and ethnicity he's largely considered, even by himself, to have fetishized.

Guy even married a Jewish woman before WWI, and his best friend Howard was a massive, seething irish-american exceptionalist who quietly rejected the idea of germanic ethnosupremacy as a root of civilization which was a leading concept in the science at the time.

Granted, not sure why we're talking about Howard and Lovecraft, Burroughs wrote Princess of Mars, though I guess they did make them retroactively canon to their own works...

>>149765539
the funny part is conan isn't even really "white", he's an ultra bronze skinned raven black haired man from a prehistoric tribal civilization that themselves are an offshoot of even-more-prehistoric Atlantis. It's like arguing what modern-day ethnicity cavemen are. 100 years ago fucking irish weren't considered white and we're pretending the Atlantean-diaspora barbarian is a WASP?

>>149765707
Conan is white. Even calls himself white in his stories.

>>149765707
Proto!Conan was a gael

>>149765936
who were very much "not white" for literal millenia all the way back to romans looking down their noses at them

>>149724803
I had the green man one. And I remember the toy having a diskette/CD that had some interactive program showing about Barsoom & Tarzan. No one has uploaded that unfortunately...

>>149761781
Why would it get merchandise? The characters aren't merchandise bait. Not like Stitch from Lilo and Stitch or the Ninja Turtles or Transformers.

Are you seeing a pattern. The characters who sell merchandise are NOT human. And John Carter's characters look weird and strange. When you think about it biggest human merchandise seller is Spiderman and that's because his costume hides his entire body. John Carter is actually the opposite he's mostly naked, he's more naked than He Man. And he looks scrawny and kind of weak.

No one would want to buy his merchandise.

>>149765707
You know Conan was bronzed from the sun right? He has blue eyes and comes from a subgroup of Nordics.

>>149765707
>100 years ago fucking irish weren't considered white
Look at what color Ireland is.

>>149764376
Well there are older things that are still famous like Greek Mythology which has gotten adapted plenty. John Carter will always have a chance. But maybe the reason John Carter doesn't take off is that it's not very good. Ever thought of that? Even things like Flash Gordon which take inspiration from John Carter are largely forgotten. Never seen Flash Gordon but doesn't seem he stands the test of time.

The only properties that are Sci Fi that stood the test of time apparently are....

War of the Worlds - Mostly due to that awful ending making it infamous.
Star Trek
Star Wars

These are the survivors of Sci Fi. Cameron's Avatar is a current success but it's also shitty so it will be forgotten quickly.

>>149764523
Not going to happen dude...

Come on have you seen how Leftist Jewish Liberal Shit the culture has become. These activists are working at powerful companies put in powerful positions by Jews to spread The Message. John Carter will be a loser if adapted in this century. And don't worry about the next century for we will be dead and your country will no longer be white.

>>149766239
This whole post reeks of faggotry. The John Carter's books are great. Try actually reading them

>>149766239
>But maybe the reason John Carter doesn't take off is that it's not very good. Ever thought of that?
Ever thought of the fact that you're a massive faggot with shit taste?

>>149765056
It's all about CONTROL. The right are a bunch of puritan killjoys so that's their reason for rejecting open sexy women.

The Left on the other hand hates the Male Gaze so it's about denying men anything visually pleasurable which is why you get women who explain how much they hate average men checking them out because their sexy skank outfits are for Chad and Tyrone not for Average Joe. So to be "safe" it's better to reject all of masculinity because women have openly explained they find most men unattractive.

Hope you understand now why both sides hate sexy women. But remember like I said ultimately regardless of reason the bottom line is still CONTROL. To dictate what you are allowed to enjoy.

And here's the best part this battle for control is eternal, the only cure is healthy Human Extinction. This facet of humanity can only be permanently fixed with humans being killed off wholesale. After all this is a never ending cycle that repeats with the trends of human history. So the only solution to put an end to it is humans must be killed into extinction. If you don't want that you need to shut up suck it up and accept the annoying cycle for what it is.

>>149745845
no

>>149720087 (OP)
Exciting!

>>149756902
>Is that picture official promotional material? It looks like AI slop someone at the toonado site generated just to have an image to go with the article.
I searched for the image to find the original but came up blank, just another announcement for the same movie, so it may be promotional. It didn't look like AI but Ai is improving rapidly still.

Did ERB ever include actual spaceships in the later stories? I know there's airships but did any of the stories ever broach actual space travel beyond the weird astral projection?

>>149769049
Venus series had one

>>149769049
The Skeleton Men from Jupiter, and before that the Mastermind of Mars had a prototype spaceship.

Do we know if it's going to be an actual series or a movie?

>>149749792
Either way I want my dick to get hard.