Thread 149724264

I can totally see why this flopped despite being "good," after watching it I can't imagine anyone I'd recommend it to who wasn't there on day one.
It's Marvel characters in a movie so it has that going for it, and it wasn't overly disloyal to the source material or filled with cringe humor, but man this had NOTHING going for it.
I think the biggest problem was the script. Felt like it was written by weird aliens who only vaguely know that families like and care about each other but don't really get why or how. It's the exact same vibe as watching a commercial for antidepressants, nothing is overtly wrong but it's unmistakably off.

>>149724264 (OP)
I'd say it all comes down to the editing. It obviously got cut to oblivion, so a lot of missing character beats and breathing spaces that would've made for a stronger film being it down. It's a shame because I did like it overall and the characters felt like a really good translation, but it's own structure don't allow it to fully take off (and how the hell do you cut Malkovich goddamn).

>>149724264 (OP)

It was obviously the casting, which was somehow worse than last time. I the Trank crew probably got along IRL. This one was just bizarre, obvious social media picks.

>>149724364
The editing was awful, it left the flow of the movie in a state where it feels like they just live in a padded room where The Thing occasionally leaves to walk around NYC

>>149724470
Honestly yeah, I thought Miles Teller was too young but still a great pick for Reed. This cast was horrendous, only one I liked was Ben

Felt like a loving fan film with a hollywood budget.
Which then makes it hard to sell it to people who aren't already fans. And since the FF has a bad reputation with movie goers, that makes it a hard sell.

>>149724475
Yeah, specially the first act, up until they meet Galactus. I feel the pacing gets more stable after that, but it just makes it seem like a rush.

>>149724494
That's something I felt too. It feels like something targeted to a fairly small niche, which on the one hand, I admit that as an FF fag worked for me, but does lack mass appeal. Like, I'm not a Superman guy, but I really enjoyed that film, and was more succesfull at appealing to broader audiences than people who already liked the character.

>>149724470
I think the casting was actually the one thing going for it with normies, like the most notable thing for it in my family and social media feed was that Pedro Pascal was in it.

>>149724494
Galactus especially was hard to get excited about because of this, there was nothing to him that would inspire new people to love him just "Yes, there's Galactus, you did him accurately."
I'm reminded of those straight to DVD cartoon movies that directly adapt popular comic books with no understanding of why they're cool

>>149724483

Unironically I think a Trank cut could have been decent. Not what anyone wanted from a FF movie on paper, but at least a better version of whatever Kronenberg thing he was going for.

>>149724494

It was cool for marketing but literally all style and no substance. It was the most basic "team encounters Galactus for the first time" plot you could do, but with a baby. If they didn't have a chick Silver Surfer or Pedro's mustache, I think the marketing would have looked identical to 2007

>>149724627
You don't think the same thing would have been accomplished with someone who would actually suit the role?

>>149724641
He suits the role.

Can't really recommend it to anyone and it's bland and simple so nobody gets the itch to watch again

It's an okay movie and thus is doing okay numbers. It could've been better, but it could've been worse. Solid 6/10.

A little more action would've gone a long way, and Franklin wasn't the best plot device.

>>149724637
I would probably watch the studio cut of Fant4stic again before watching this again
This is a better movie but it's so fucking boring. Trank's is fascinating, it's not even as horrible as its reputation it's just an interesting, bad movie
If you pretend this has nothing to do with FF it's cool as hell: https://youtu.be/aUG2MIDhV70?si=mjW584UBOArWO-lO
But God I have no fucking clue what Fox was thinking making this movie

>>149724670
Making a movie that's supposed to appeal to young boys center around a super mom and her new baby is just a dumb idea

>>149724689
Not even young boys are as autistic about this as you are.

>>149724703
It's just the BO mentality that has rotted most of fandom

>>149724681
>Let's do Ultimate teen F4
>Good idea, let's hire that guy who just did that teen found footage superhero movie. He's the next big thing.
>He said he hates the comics and wants to do a sci-fi body horror movie
>Well, that's weird, but Nolan didn't care for the comics and The Dark Knight did big. Let's see where this goes.
>Oh, no, he's a raging cokehead who hates his own cast and has fallen massively over budget and behind schedule and only has shot half a film
>FUCK, call the X-Men dude
>Singer?
>No, the cheaper but less pedophilliac one.
>Kinberg?
>That's the one, get him to finish this shit no matter the cost.
>AND ADD SOME QUIPS, might as well ape Marvel since we're already in the shitter.

It wasn't as cool as one would've thought. The retro-futuristic aesthetic and the Jack Kirby inspired Thing design were cool, tho

>>149724790
Jack and Stan's cameos were nice too

>>149724703
Then why did Mars Needs Moms flop

>Keep the Red Ghost intro
>Keep the deleted Ben scenes
>Make Ben a bit gruffer
>Make Reed a little less autistic
>Add Terrax as a second herald, or at least the Punisher robots.
>Galactus uses his powers

And it's perfect for me.

>>149724264 (OP)
Idk, i think the space opera parts were neat.
But yeah, i wouldn't recommend it to anyone that isn't wanting a marvel fan or someone wanting a movie for the whole family.

>>149724836
>Make Reed a little less autistic
I was surprised they didn't pussy out on that aspect desu

>>149724749
Kinberg was the producer of the film so he was already involved to begin with. What happened based on all the available info was it sounded like Kinberg and the other producers and/or Fox looked at how MCU was doing well, and changed their mind about Trank's direction and kept making suggestions. Trank flipped out because they hired him and now they want him to do a 180 of what he was doing, Kinberg took control and tried to make it sound like everything was fine, but it so obviously wasn't

I don't remember when the shit where Trank fucked up the house he was staying at happened though.

>>149724941
They were already butting heads in pre-production due to casting. Trank wanted a black actress for Sue but Fox pushed for Kate Mara.

>>149724994
Or so he claims. The original report was that he wanted Margot Robbie.

>>149724847
That first scene with them meeting Galactus was so cool
Would have been a good YouTube video

>>149725010
Mh, hadn't heard about that.

I think a big thing was the action. Outside of the space chase, nothing wowed me

>>149724364
>>149724475
>>149724505
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. The cuts from the mole man introduction and Johnny being kicked from Silver Surfer's board were notoriously bad.
That being said I can't even imagine what Red Guardian would have added to the movie. That is the one cut that maybe was a good thing. The cast is already underdeveloped, we do not need an extra character.

>>149725027
I genuinely don't understand how people said the film drags when I felt that it went in a speed run.
Some people have said similar things about Superman, so it makes you wonder if studios are aware of brainrot and are afraid normal pacing don't engage with the shorts attention spans of younger generations.

>>149725085
Red Ghost was a vehicle for having an action scene in the beginning, which I think could've helped to get to know the setting a bit more. Even if it delayed the kicking of the Galactus plot, I still would've prefiered it included for a more steady pace.

>>149725089
Superman and F4 both have been clearly edited to shit. But the amount of heroes and villains in Superman makes the whole thing more fun. There's multiple action scenes where people of different powers use their abilities in multiple ways, while the F4 only use it at the beginning, on the space escape scene and the end. The rest of the movie is them just chilling around and discussing plans, which is not that exciting. It kinda works to develop the characters, but it also gets boring eventually.
Ironically it would fit better if F4 and Superman changed tone as the comics are more like the other one. F4 are always going into wacky cosmic adventures with characters larger than life as if it were regular Tuesday, while Superman has lots of time in between giant fights to connect with his family and friends. But because Superman chose the former, its getting a better box office.

>>149724830
because that Zemeckis motion capture style looked unappealing as hell.

>>149725148
I think the editing was better in Superman. Getting rid of the days of the week title cards ultimately made the film flow better

>>149725082
And the space chase could have been any set of heroes at all and had nothing to do with the FF

>>149725089
You can have fast pacing and also be boring

>>149725217
>and had nothing to do with the FF
I dont think thats fair to say. The FF are big on exploration, diving into the unknown

>>149725217
I think it fits the team well. They're scientists/explorers before superheroes after all, so It's neat to build a sequence around that fact.

I warmed to mommy surfer.
It gets a pass in my book because i wasn't expecting Johnny to go playboy on her and ultimately leading to him being the reason she changed sides. I overall liked how the two interacted through the film
Also, yeah i have a chrome fetish

>>149725272
Yeah, I also like this version of Johnny a lot. He keeps his core traits but they're not doubled down on like Evans' version (which I do also like), while showcasing how he's also pretty smart and ultimately the reason SS turned on Galactus.

>>149724681
>it's not even as horrible as its reputation
Nice revisionism, retard. It literally has no 3rd act, and Ben and Sue don't even share the same frame till the very end of the film. It's completely undercooked.

>>149724364
>>149724470
Marvel put out a bunch of shitty movies of the last few years and people have moved on. It’s that simple

>>149725382
There's no denying that, the comment on the pacing was about the film on itself, not the box-office.

I can't imagine anyone in the target demographic or core consumer of the superhero genre, namely males between the ages of 10-49 would ever want to emulate, dress up as or pretend in their imagination to be the Fantastic Four. No little boy wants to play a "hero" whose wife does all the work. Or a big rock guy who is lazy, doesn't do anything, refuses to say his catchphrase and is impotent and worthless and a lazy do-nothing bum shouldn't even be on screen for how obnoxiously boring and dead he is.

>>149725672
>namely males between the ages of 10-49
That's a rather large gap

>>149724689
>>149725672
What's with /co/'s obsession with little boys and their preferences lately?

>>149724653
You’re either being disingenuous or baiting.

>>149725731
They want to know what they like so they have a new grooming tool

>>149724264 (OP)
It's a remake of the 2007 film sans doctor doom and without a prequel establishing the characters.
The first 10-15 minutes in FFFS were good enough for the introduction, and normies need to shut the fuck up. Nobody needs retellings of origin stories. Origin stories shouldn't be the entire fucking plot to begin with.

silver cheeks only good thing i got out of the movie

>>149725708
There a lot of men who take a long time to understand that we're supposed to take away the moral lessons of superheroes and then look at what motivated and inspired writers to portray favorite storylines in such a way--and then do away with the fantasy. Get enraptured in the fantasy of a being a protector of the innocent, defender of the weak, of being most physically capable yet inclined to uphold justice for the general good of humanity and love for your fellow man. For me, the source material of all heroism stems from sacrifice. Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends. Jesus said that. And Jesus is the hero of humanity. For me I feel like once that connection is made that it's time to pull away from comic books. You find the thread back to God any way you can and then you take it while the ride can still be got on. It's not too late. But soon it will be.

That's whys pop culture irons are being torn down. Characters like Luke Skywalker and Superman that men in particular have substituted as "role models" to be emulated or father figures but who cling to the vain act of hero worship without making any separation or distinction in a healthy way. Like, a grown adult is not supposed to continue to list Batman as a source of motivation to get himself to the gym when it should be in him to do what's best for him regardless, you know?

Idols need to be torn down in the hearts of men who continue to think like boys or simply haven't come away to know or seek Jesus. God will literally put himself in the middle of the conversation just to keep his name out there and wait for others to pick up on it. Akira Toriyama despised all religion and filled his work with pagan eastern mythology references. He highlighted polytheism and never sought to venerate Christ. What does the usual conversation go? "Super Saiyan this" and "Super Saiyan that". What does Jesus do to get people's attention?
>Super Saiyan GOD Super Saiyan
Clever.

>>149724264 (OP)
I like it, but it had 5 errors for me.
1. Reed richards was really miscasted, i don't have a hateboner for pedro Pascal, but he doesn't look like reed richards at all.
2. Mr fantastic was probaly the lamest character in the movie, he almost never used his powers, and the galactus scene made his power look extremely weak compared to 2005 reed for example.
3. I know Galactus can change sizes but he was despicted as a normal size kaiju instead as a humongous cosmic being like the gigantic celestials in the eternals.
4. I get why they used norrin radd wife as the silver surfer, by being a different earth, but it was still a weird choice, but i guess they can use the actual silver surfer in the main universe.
5. At one point the movie started to get really boring streching a lot how they were trying to make a plan to stop galactus.

The good points was how this movie actually remembers how all the fantastic 4 are scientists, and Johnny is actually a genius too, while it remembers sue storm is the most powerful member of the fantastic 4. The thing is beautiful, because is almost a copy/paste of how the thing looks in the comics, at least in face.
Mole man, was useful but this one is kinda sour to me, because he was just there most of the time, while he just looked like a normal fat dude.
A good superhero movie, but superman was way, way better.

>>149724264 (OP)
It was a turbo woke shitshow that required multiple reshoot just a month before release to be fixed.

>>149724653
I think he was a bit of a stretch but he did pretty fantastic

>>149724264 (OP)
Wait it really flopped? NO WAAAAAAY HAHAHAHHAHAHA
I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST SHITPOSTING!
Did Superman flopped as well or that's just shitposting?

>>149727237
>The idiot who uses the Reddit meme thinks like a Redditor
lol

No, both films did well.

>>149727237
superman did good
F4 drop is getting bigger to the point missing 500m its possible

>>149727216
Woke being when women on screen

>>149724264 (OP)
Vanessa Kirby was great as Sue and unironically I think she got wasted by being paired with the other three, she's the only good casting choice in the film

>>149724264 (OP)
It's funny how I thought Superman was going to be the one to flop, the trailers show the FF fighting Galactus while Superman fight some nobody guy in armor while Lex just sit around

>>149726591
> Akira Toriyama despised all religion and filled his work with pagan eastern mythology references.
Goku’s origin story is almost the exact same as Moses

>>149728442
Goku is Sun Wukong

>>149728448
>Last of his species
>Sent away as a baby to avoid extinction
>Found by someone of a different race
>Raised as one of their own
>Grows up to someone capable of great things and saves everyone from a tyrant
Bro, that’s Moses

>>149728412
Personally I did like the cast, and thought they embodied the roles well; granted, that's also on part to how they're written. Inseon as Galactus is such a good choice that it sucks he was so wasted tho.

>>149724264 (OP)
Probably needed to be a tv show

>>149728438
I mean, even if the character was derailed during the past decade, Superman still is one of the biggest names in superhero media. Unless the film turned out to be really bad, it was always going to do better than FF.

The reason why it flopped is because it's a foid centered movie while comic books are male only interest.

>>149728482
You could have made it about Reed and have Sue stay in the kitchen the whole movie, I’d have still skipped this cuz Marvel is shit now

>>149728497
>You could have made it about Reed and have Sue stay in the kitchen the whole movie
Then the movie would be a success

>>149728474
FF is too effect heavy for a live-action show. I would love a new animated series, but Disney has dialed down on Marvel cartoons sadly, and there's also a mandate by the film division to not have animated series interfere with characters and storylines they'll use. Cassandra Nova for example was vetoed from X-Men '97 due to her appearing in D&W, and the people behind YFNSM were told not to use the FF due to the movie coming out. Given the FF will have a sizable part in both Avengers movies, a lot of potential plots could get axed.

>>149728482
>it's a foid centered movie
Not really

>>149728412
She has too much plastic surgery to move her face

>>149728504
Nah, cuz I’d still rather do anything else than give Marvel more of my time and money. Year after year, it’s nothing but flops or nostalgia pandering.

>>149728504
You're incorrect. People just don't like the MCU anymore regardless of any politics.

>>149724264 (OP)

I really liked the cast
Sue and Ben are perfect and I liked nice guy Johnny, who is so often depicted as a douchebag.
Pedro Pascal doesn't quite look like how I imagine Reed, but he nails his mannerisms and thoughtful aloofness.

I think the problem is that 80% of the film is actually a sequel to a Fantastic Four movie that was never made, which we only get a recap of at the beginning.

I want to see that movie, give me a lighthearted low stakes movie with Red Ghost and Moleman before we get to Silver Surfer and Galactus.

>>149728516
>DOOOOOOOOD MOMS ARE SO FREAKING EPIC AND STRONG EVEN THO MOST MODERN WOMEN KILL AT LEAST 1 CHILD IN THEIR LIFE
It is a foid centered movie

>>149728544
Leaving aside how Sue, the single most powerful member of the team, being the one to deal the biggest blow is not a copout, the film portrays the entire family unit in a positive light.

>>149727216
The only thing that smelled of "woke" was when Sue single-handedly pushed Galactus into the wormhole, but that's because they fucked up the direction:
>Sue yells really hard and overpowers Galactus, yaaasss queen slay, a woman is doing what 3 men couldn't do!!!
>Reed says "Sue, stop. That's too much!!"
>Audience only gets clued in that she's killing herself after Reed says that line.

If we immediately get the idea that she's killing herself by doing this, it would've made the impact much greater.
>Sue starts bleeding out her nose and eyes but keeps pushing Galactus. Blood vessels are bursting, her eyes are bloodshot, etc.
>All Reed needed to say was "Sue, STOP!!!". The audience already gets it that mama bear is making the ultimate sacrifice.

>>149728586
>Sue starts bleeding out her nose and eyes but keeps pushing Galactus
Given the similarities with RotSS (they're both adapting the same story arc after all), perhaps they thought the nose bleed would've been the breaking point for the audience. Then again, they repeat Sue's death and resurrection too so idk.

>>149728468
oh my bad when I said the only good casting choice I only meant the main four. johnny doesn't feel flirty or cocky enough (that hairstyle isn't doing any favors), Thing's voice-acting feels off and you can tell it's not a professional VA, and Reed, well, if we were gonna stick with Pedro Pascal at least shave him so he looks closer to Reed dammit (apparently Pedro suggested that but Marvel said no). Vanessa is the only perfect casting out of them all, and I did enjoy how much she was the focus

I think a huge problem is how incredibly empty the movie felt outside of the Fantastic Four themselves. Basically every scene was just them talking to each other with only a very small amount of the outside world, and the characters in Earth besides them were just random cardboard cutouts of a retro future world, not real characters
I assume they're setting up this world to die so didn't care about developing it but it's still lame when the entire planet feels incredibly lifeless

>>149728637

Yeah this was definitely a problem, only Ben has any meaningful interactions with people outside the baxter building and even that isn't much.

>>149728577
Sue literally defeated Galactus solo which 3 men couldn't do

>>149728669
Sticking to the final fight, that's a bit reductionist, and there's the entire rest of the film which constantly shows the men as competent and at no point diminishes or humilliates them.

>>149728586
Was expecting her to go Super Saiyan but her powers looked basically the same they did seconds earlier when she attacked Galactus and he brushed it off

>>149728637
>>149728663
>Tfw the world could be genuinely interesting to explore in future installments but gets reduced to cannon fodder for a shitty crossover

>>149724703
Because 0 young boys watched it.

>>149728683
youre arguing with a bunch of retards sadly, you should cut your losses since they're either constantly posting bait to get off to all the (You)'s or they're lost causes constantly obsessed about muh woke agenda or whatever

>>149728705
Young boys aren't watching anything other than gameplays

>>149728714
They’re the reason Mario and Minecraft made a billi

>>149728683
>NOOOOOOO NOOOOOOO DON'T LOOK AT THE FINAL FIGHT (the only one that matters) JUST IGNORE IT PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOO

>>149726591
>Akira Toriyama despised all religion and filled his work with pagan eastern mythology references.
To tell jokes, he didn't despise religion. He just laughed at everything, even things he did like.

>>149728714
If you followed literally anything besides superhero movies you'd know that any narratives to defend Fantastic Four are complete bullshit. Kids still go to the movies and movies still make billions, people just don't like this movie

>>149728442
NTA but Goku's past in the story (not his "origin story" like in Superman) is clearly inspired by Superman's.
Even if Supe's is similar to Moses, Superman is clearly the one Toriyama took from.

>>149728763
My point is neither Goku nor Superman have an original idea for their backstory. It’s clearly based on the Abrahamic religion

>>149728758
It's not an assasement to defend the film, but a real observation. Superman did pretty well, and a lot of reports pointed out most of the audiences were adults (and from personal experience, my screenings was too).
>>149728724
This too, FNAF's audiences was predominantely children.

>>149728544
You retards were sucking off Aliens and Terminator 2 for years because "muh motherhood" but now these themes are le bad?

>>149728815
When those movies came out foids weren't killing children basically every week

>>149728815
It's literally nostalgia. If Aliens or T2 came out today, in the exact shape and quality, grifters would be milking that shit dry.

>>149728821
>non-argument
Don't know why I expected anything but trash out of a retarded schizo's mouth.

>>149728827
>"Women nowadays are immoral"
>Film that portrays traditional motherhood in a positive light comes out
>Still spergs out somehow

>>149728844
That's like if they made a movie that portrays murderers in good light.

>>149728890
Not really. That case jumps from a specific niche of individuals, who are already at odds with society, not half of the population of the planet, whose range of opinion on abortion varies widely and from individual society to individual society.

>>149726096
2005 movie. The 2007 movie was just the sequel to the 2005 movie, though I can see why you could compare it to its sequel with the Silver Surfer

>>149728926
Literally all foids who live in normal countries think killing children is good tho

Like all Fantastic Four adaptations they forgot about the most important ingredient: No one gives a shit about the Fantastic Four. Not even their fans. I'm serious.
They're vehicles to observe incredible and interesting stories and characters. The movie should have given a massive spotlight to Galactus and Silver Surfer instead of two hours of arguing between characters no one cares about. They're cardboard cutouts that borderline narrate what's happening. It's a formula that works that no one wants to use because they think FAMILY!!!! is the most interesting thing in the world

>>149728950
>No one gives a shit about the Fantastic Four. Not even their fans. I'm serious.

>>149728945
As with everything, is more complicated than a mere reduccionism

>>149728980
How is it more complicated?

>>149728930
nope it's closer to the 2007 sequel, not only because it's about Silver Surfer and the Galactus but also because this isn't an original movie, we already begin with the F4 having powers

>>149728988
The varying degree over the abortion debate, which is both a mxiture of legislation and the inevitable moral pondering, mixes with personal feeling over the matter.

>>149729023
What does that have to do with the fact that all foids in countries that matter think killing children is good?

>>149729057
1) generalization
2) they're at the heart of the problem, and where the discussion comes from, not a sideline to an imaginary concensus

>>149729079
>Dood it doesn't matter that all foids kill children and Hollywood releases a movie presenting foids as loving mothers even doe this isn't the case for like 100 years now

>>149728964
KEK
I stand by what I said though

>>149729092
>>149729057
>>149728945
>>149728890
>>149728821
Can you stop rambling about abortion in a Fantastic Four thread
Go post on /pol/ or /r9k/ or something

>>149729182
>Nooooo don't criticize the movie for portraying foids in a positive light, you can't do that!!!

>>149729227
I hate women ten times as much as you I just hate off topic spam more

>>149729236
>It's offtopic even tho it's clearly on topic, but I personally don't like it so it's offtopic

>>149729227
Yeah man kill all females for not giving me pussy 1488 save evropa

>>149727237
Superman not only did less than Snyder's but also won't break even. So yes.

>>149729547
Why are you lying?

The audience in my theater was so dead. No laughing, no gasps, no people talking when the movie ended, everyone just got up and left like they were done with a power point presentation

>>149724653
No, he doesn't.

>>149724703
> STOP NOTICING

>>149725708
Yes, it is quite a big audience, but unfortunately Hollywood has decided that they do not need to cater to it while still making movies that are that demographic. If they're pander to women and minorities why don't they just make RomComs and Tyler Perry movies?

When have all the schizos flooded this site?
It wasn't that bad 10 years ago.

>>149726988
Why would they ever use the regular Silver Surfer now they already did Galactus

>>149730198
It was around 2016 but there have been fewer of them since the ten day blackout. Enough to derail a thread since people keep responding to them but it's been worse
>>149730211
People think they're going to have Norrin meet his multiverse wife as if that would connect with the audience at all lol

>>149728516
Ok there was also the Israel stuff

>>149730222
Jew stuff isn't Israel stuff. Ben is Jewish.

>>149730211
FF fans are still delusional and think there’s gonna be a sequel

>>149728815
There's no point in explaining why those movies work.

>>149730229
Yes it is.

>>149730222
Meds

>>149730264
I take it back have a nice day

>>149724264 (OP)
It wasn't good, it got completely undeserved shine from move critics because they panicked that they were going to have to shit on three Marvel movies in a row.

>>149730280
I think it's also partially when you just watched Thunderbolts and Cap4 this feels amazing by comparison

>>149730253
>work
They're boring action slop for brainlets who need their pew pews and embarrassing sequels to genuinely great movies, but that's not the point you illiterate subhuman retard.
The point is you fags bitching about themes you were holding up on pedestal constantly.

>>149724264 (OP)
>wasn't overly disloyal to the source material
Lol

>>149730320
How so

>>149730320
It wasn't like insultingly inaccurate, the only eye rolling change was girl surfer

>>149727237
Superman did good, just not overseas which is what people grasp at a lot to say it flopped

>flopped
parroting retards again anon?

>>149730832
Breaking even is a flop. Why make this movie instead of just putting the money in an S&P fund?

>>149724264 (OP)
>>149724264 (OP)
Why were the civilians in this such obedient NPC's? Earth was going to be eaten unless the F4 gave up Franklin but the only pushback they get is a small crowd in front of the Baxter building that gets dispersed after Sue gives one speech.
Also the way the F4 seemed to have created a one world government was kinda creepy. I honestly think Reed put fluoride in the world's water supply or something, there's no other explanation.
I get that this universe was supposed to be more optimistic than ours but I can't imagine everyone just blindly trusting the F4 to defeat Galactus when the biggest enemy they faced up until that point was Mole Man.

>>149732488
The residents of Earth 828 are slaves to the Future Foundation who surrendered their freedom because ???
The only resistance to this one world government FEMA camp of a planet was Doctor Doom but he's scawy

>>149724264 (OP)
Did DC win?

>>149733878
Sweeped

Haven't seen this yet, but is it true that the only worthwhile moment is the "black hole chase sequence" I've seen mentioned in passing? Kinda sad for a 2-hour movie.

>>149735489
I was kind of bored during that, just felt like a Star Wars scene. I liked the introduction of galactus more
It's not worth investing your time in, I feel like I wasted a couple hours

>>149724689
I think the success of WandaVision (and hiring its director to do this film) made them think they could make up some of the deficit with boys by pulling in more of the new female viewers they got with that show. It didn't work of course. WandaVision is sort of a fluke and the viewers might not even show up at movies for Wanda, let alone someone they don't know.

I don't think male viewers are going to show up in huge numbers again for anything except Spider-Man and Deadpool, but I don't think this film really drove them away as much as it tried to find an alternative to the fans who have already been driven away.

>>149728616
>johnny doesn't feel flirty or cocky enough
You mean he feels like Kirby actually wrote him, and not Waid's 2000's flanderization.

>>149728950
I like them.

>>149724264 (OP)
>I can totally see why this flopped despite being "good,"
no u cant

>cast is too fucking old
>script is mediocre
>Female Surfer
>set the movie during a time period Zoomers, Alpha and Younger Millennials weren't born in

on top of that there overall is no energy behind this movie, the Tim Story one unironically had the right idea when it came to making them modern day interpretations and playing up their personalities and conflict more especially the Thing.
This movie drastically cuts down the infighting compared to the 05 movie which is honestly needed and it felt like characters didnt really go on any arc because they are just so established already

box...o...ffice
box...o...ffice
box...o..ffice
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BOX OFFICE FLOOOOOP

>>149738277
Too early to tell.

>>149738277
Already made twice its budget, you cocksucking faggot.

>>149739022
They needed this to be a hit immediatly, it's over.

>>149739040
it was lil joke man, what a fucking shill.

>>149737143
>>Female Surfer
Ironically the best thing in the movie

>>149728586
Ben dropped the pillars for Galactus to lose balance, and Johnny was about to go kamikaze as well

>>149739049
Yeah, they were counting on this movie to sell the "MCU is back" narrative going into Avengers Doomsday, which at present appears to have two Avengers teams from unpopular movies (Brave New World and Thunderbolts) and the less popular X-Men, plus Robert Downey Jr. as (probably) the wrong character.

So basically they have no momentum going into the film even if Spider-Man is huge, unless Spider-Man turns out to have a much bigger role in that film than currently expected.

>>149724264 (OP)
Please Annihilus

>>149739315
Should have released this later down the year, everyone was still on about Superman when this dropped.

>>149739428
People are just over the MCU. There was no good time to release it

>>149739460
Which is ironic given that Thunderflops and this are worlds above Deadpool and Wolverine, their Disney+ shows, BNW, etc. in terms of quality. What a pity.

>>149739482
>Deadpool and Wolverine
People whine about "audiences won't show up unless the movie is good" and then go in masse to see two hours cameo slop. It's why Doomsday, even if it sucks ass, will make bank.

>>149739482
I sincerely believe the best thing they can do is drop the multiverse shit and embrace PKD-style science fiction, like Matrix, Blade Runner, Alien, Ghost in the Shell, etc.

>>149739416
4 minutes of him and two hours of arguing people with no chemistry

Needed more Galactus and Surfer. The long passages without them where F4 talked about Franklin and debated what to do next DRAGGED.

>>149739682
Especially because it's the most comically contrived debate ever. It is insanely evil to kill everyone in the world including Franklin instead of just sending Franklin to do cosmic stuff.
But Earth 828 is a slave race who surrendered their armies and just has to live and die by whatever the Fantastic Four decide is right so whatever I guess

>>149739553
>>149739575
I find it funny how they're overcorrecting with things like "oh we got this very good director, we're doing practical, filming on location" when they themselves accustomed their audiences on soulless cgi crossover slop and not to care about proper filmmaking even before their multiversal flops.

>>149739553
Fucking Elektra, a Chaning Tatum joke, Octogenarian Blade and X-23 over Deadpool's cast of characters. If either Miller or Leitch were brought back to direct it could have been one of the greats.

>>149740472
The industry as a while has been pandering towards internet film discourse as a PR strategy. Top Gun, Barbie, Oppenheimer, and many more marketed themselves as having little to zero CGI despite a heavy reliance on it. Nolan himself took the names of the CGI artists' off the film's credits to sell the illusion of all being practical.

>>149740556
>Nolan himself took the names of the CGI artists' off the film's credits to sell the illusion of all being practical.
Every day my hate for this pretentious retard continues to grow.

>>149724264 (OP)
I’m not saying it’s THAT weird for a 1030 showing on a Wednesday night to have that many people in it. But why select all of the seats together?

>>149724994
Why she was shit as Sue

>>149741033
Better seats maybe

>>149724264 (OP)
Literally just saw it.
Overall it was a good movie, and I enjoyed it.
But you made a lot of valid points.

>>149741121
when galactus force-chokers her HNNNGGG

>>149740556
I think the perception that they're losing ground to video games is also causing them to push practical effects, real stunts, etc. as a marketing tool to offer something you can't get in a video game.

Sort of like in the 1950s big film companies started shooting more movies on exotic foreign locations, even for scenes that could just as easily have been done in the studio, to go "look, you can't get this on television."

>>149741155
Videogames are imploding as well, overblown budgets and five or six years development times, and even then it could get canned, like that Wonder Woman game they were making IIRC.

I said it before and I'll say it again: The fact that Galactus felt more threatening as a cloud of space dust kinda killed any stakes.

>>149728586
The fact that they were willing to do this with Jessica Alba's Sue Storm is so goddamn ironic.

>>149736010
maybe you're right on that

>>149724264 (OP)
The movie is barely "good" its just watchable. There is literally no reason to see this film. It's meant to be a set up for Doomsday and does a poor job at that too. They sanded away anything that could be remotely controversial to make the safest film possible

>Reed barely stretches
>Ben is a le heckin wholesome redditor
>Johnny is toned down for obvious reasons
>Sue is girlboss
>Silver Surfer doesnt have crazy powers
>Galactus is just a big guy

MCU is usually pretty cool with putting on a spectacle with the powers but the coolest thing that happened powerwise in the film was Johnny absorbing fire in the beginning.

I think the big problem that made these characters feel so boring is that they really don't go through any kind of an arc. They feel like secondary characters but they're 90% of the run time
Everyone is comparing it to Superman, so let's do it. In Superman when he finds out the message from his parents isn't what he thought it was, it completely devastates him and makes him question if he deserves to see himself as a decent man. Him realizing that what his parents wanted him to be doesn't matter is meaningful and resonates.
There is no arc in Fantastic Four. They decide not to give the baby to Galactus no matter what and punch their problems away. There's no growth or progression for anyone, it's a filler episode with four characters that just agree with each other outside of a random scene with contrived tension here or there

>>149741471
>It's meant to be a set up for Doomsday and does a poor job at that too
That I would dispute. The film was always intended to be more standalone, and was well into It's writing when they decided to pivot from Kang to Doom (despite Feige wanting you to think that was always the plan).

>>149724641
What? Some random white actor? Thunderbolts was also filled with white people and that didn't stop it from bombing anyway

>>149741781
Didn't matter what color anyones skin was in that. Thunderbolts was filled with castoffs and dregs of other shows/films. That scene when they're trapped down at the bottom of the shaft says it all

>"So none of us have powers? We all just punch and shoot?

>>149741380
Should have been frankie

>>149741754
yes but there was a complete creative shift when it went from Jon Watts to Matt Shakman, I doubt the original pitch had the alternate 60s retrofuturism world at all

>>149741380
Buying a ticket to Fantastic Four doesn't sound so bad all of a sudden...

>>149724681
>would rather watch Fan4stick
Kek bait used to be believable, I dont understand how anyone watches that film and sees any ounce of quality

>>149737143
>set the movie during a time period Zoomers, Alpha and Younger Millennials weren't born in
Tell it to all the "80s are so cool, amirite fellow zoomers" slop. If I see another piece of gay pink and purple neon shit, I will flip Chris-Chan style.

>>149724264 (OP)
Honestly at this stage Disney should bite the bullet; ditch the Fantastic Four entirely and arrange with Pixar to put the Incredibles into the MCU in their place.

>>149739243
>Ben dropped the pillars for Galactus to lose balance
Seems like an afterthought, made so Ben isn't completely fucking useless. His actual "clobberin' time" moment is extremely underwhelming. Sue is still the main driving force behind Galactus defeat (which is fine, he wants her baby, she has the most to lose).

>Johnny was about to go kamikaze as well
Thunder stolen by Surfette

That must've been a pretty awkward conversation after they both went through the wormhole

>>149745306
Given that SS was able to travel FTL, she probably fled from him the second they arrived at the confines of the universe.

Johhny doesn't sing then I won't watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38VBv0ZenZU&list=RD38VBv0ZenZU&start_radio=1&ab_channel=CapSulu

>>149745306
Did she go into the hole? I forgot

>>149746054
ye

>>149746610
is Ben just fucking useless lmao

>>149730289
Thunderbolts was more fun than this, not hating because this was still alright but I enjoyed that film more

>>149737143
>cast is too fucking old
only Pedro
>Female Surfer
best part of the movie by far

>>149741492
You're 100% correct, First Steps is boring because there's no internal conflict of any kind. We follow 4 full developed characters with nowhere to go, no misunderstandings, no clashes, no nothing.

>>149746610
It's harder and harder to tell these apart from AI trailers on YouTube

>>149746713
At one point Sue has a realistic panic attack because Reed acknowledges that they are being somewhat selfish with the Franklin decision but he clarifies that he doesn't actually care if everyone on Earth dies and it's fine

>>149747169
>but he clarifies that he doesn't actually care if everyone on Earth dies and it's fine
Did he? I remember the argument they have over it but not that comment

>set it in sci-fi 1960s
>primarily follows a woman nearing her 40s and a man in his 50s
>Family dinner, Sunday at 7 on the dot!
>moms are tough!
>FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY FAMILY
>why did nobody but the aging boomer die-hards show up??????

watched it last night
fun enough

>>149747555
glad to hear it!

>>149724264 (OP)
Giving Dom a run for his money

>>149739040
>Cinemas screen for free

>>149728442
No, it isn't. Moses was God's friend. They spoke face to face in the Tabernacle. Moses was the most humble man on the face of the Earth. Goku is ignorant and loves to fight. It was western dub giving the character a more altruistic/heroic disposition ala Superman ala Jesus which is what made him stand out. On his own Goku is just a punchdrunk monkey and Akira Toriyama is the first person to espouse that he hated the notion of Goku being seen as a hero. Goku is nothing like Moses.

>>149728586
>The only thing
No. An intergalactic space threat appears before you and asks menacingly if you're the heroes of Earth and the first person to respond is the heavily pregnant woman. This is no man's fantasy. No man would let his pregnant wife handle a home invasion--let alone be pregnant. That's stupid and unmasculine and isn't a power fantasy any man would have. The love of his life and child in a potentially dangerous situation. It's stupid. I rejected F4 in spirit at that very moment.

>>149728462
That’s also a retcon that comes almost 5 years into the series

>>149750220
>I can't engage with fiction if I can't self-insert

How do you have this many people working on a movie and not a single one can remember how humans speak or behave?

>>149746675
This. Thunderbolts was actually entertaining

>>149724264 (OP)
wow cool poster

>>149747169
??? That's not what happens, she has a panic attack because he admits by omission that he has, in his head, considered all solutions he can think of to the problem which of course includes "Give up Franklin". She freaks out when she asks if he really has considered it, and he's honest about it but insists that doesn't mean he would ever want to actually do it and her panic attack comes about when she has to try and make the picture she has of her husband as a man and her partner in her head against the idea of him even considering giving up their child. As she says it, "it hurts me that you would even think about it", and all he can say is "I didn't mean for that".

Honestly their relationship is one of the best things in the movie. It's insane how well they managed to depict the relationship between a husband and wife where they are both on the same side but are still having problems reconciling their thought processes. Neither person is in the wrong and neither one ends up a silly strawman to be torn down to lift the other one up. Sue undoubtedly comes across throughout the film as the more "heroic" of the two, but she only flies because Reed is there holding her up with his science and planning. I think the only character in the team that was hard done by was Ben, and it's just an unfortunate reality of this particular story really not having room for, "Ben is sad about being an ugly rock thing, again."

>>149724264 (OP)
Is free on the internet
Imagine people still paying to watch

>>149754225
shit quality tho

>>149724264 (OP)
blue is my favourite colour

>>149724264 (OP)
>hear the names of the plantes you help destroy and have a breakdown!!!
horrible silver surfer

>>149724364
>and breathing spaces
even MORE?!
movie needed more action

The movie spent so much time talking about super moms that it didn't have time to explain why galactus couldn't just eat Mars or Venus or something instead
We all know why but it's just another example of these movies not giving a shit about new fans

>>149724636
>you did him accurately.
and it isn't even that accurate

>>149754212
>neither one ends up a silly strawman to be torn down to lift the other one up
>Sue undoubtedly comes across throughout the film as the more "heroic" of
why is /co/ full of dumbfuck retards with less intelligence than a retarded cat?

>there were like 3 mcu movies this year
>i've barely seen any mention of them on /co/
well, something obviously changed
but then again, mcu never had a single good film

>>149756665
One thing doesn't undermine the other. The emotional moments are the meat of the film, but, specially in the first act, you can't fully absorb them given how rushed the plot goes. It's a bit like TF One in that way, where the emotional work is there, but you can't always process it correctly.

>>149756875
His argument does make sense. Both arguments in a discussion can be treated reasonably while also depicting a moral centre (in this case being Sue). The discussion between the two is more about showcasing the crisis the family is going through and treat it empathically, not about demonizing Reed.

They should have sent Galactus to the Negative Zone

>>149757536
Perhaps for a sequel they could integrate both into the plot. Have the film take place there and reveal Galactus got stranded. You can make it so that him and the FF work together to defeat Annihilus or something and they get on good terms.

>>149757536
I disagree

>>149757870
I’d rather have Annihilation than an FF sequel that would squander Annihilus

>>149757070
bro hasn't seen any of the GOTG films

>>149759091
It's kinda funny that despite being their villain, Annihilus most popular and liked story is about him fighting Nova.

>>149724264 (OP)
The problem is that it's fine/good, but not really that memorable outside of the retrofuture look.

>>149759091
If theye're smart they should leave him alive at the end and have him return in a Nova project with the full Annihilation wave. While it got canned, the Nova show was being worked on so they do have the character in mind to use.

Is it consistent with 616?
No, it's earth 828, even the MCU is set on 199999, it just thinks it is 616 for some retarded reason.
Is 828 consistent with itself?
I think so.

>>149762025
...What?

>>149762193
The movie maintains internal consistency regardless of what the source material is because it takes place a different continuity.

>>149762294
Yes but why would you point that out?
It's an adaptation as much as a movie based on Harry Potter so people care about how well it adapted the source material.

>>149762326
It's because it's an adaption that it can do things differently to how the source material did.

>>149754212
good analysis anon, Sue also comes off as more "heroic" like you said because of her role in holding off Galactus and the personal stakes she has as a mother wanting to protect her child. I thought their relationship was well done, especially considering I was really skeptical of Pedro as Reed (still am, but not as much)
about Ben, I'm very certain most of his scenes got cut, and they just didn't bother finishing the CGI on them which is why Shakman made that comment about no director's cut versions because it would be too expensive

>>149761611
If they’re smart, they’d stop trying to make the FF popular every ten years

>>149762492
Do you have autism? You're saying things everyone knows already and just arguing with the air.

>>149761611
I really, truly believe Nova can save this flaming shit heap of a franchise.
If they’re smart, his relationship with Worldmind could be retooled into something like what V and Johnny have in Cyberpunk 2077 and from there you open up a whole new world of sci-fi inspired by PKD.
I promise you, on everything I love, this would put asses in seats for years to come

>>149762492
Ah, okay.

>>149762525
Time is a flat circle, anon. Get ready for another generation of F4 in 2034.

>>149764367
cute earrings!!

>>149765130
They're pretty basic, actually.

>>149724264 (OP)
Decent movie but nothing that'll stand out too much in the overall MCU

>>149766955
So... a typical MCU flick then? They all kind of blur together at this point.

I hate that any superhero movie that doesn't break 500 million is now a flop.

>>149728766
I remember the thread where they blamed right wingers for scaring people from going to the theaters. Unironically, and they all agreed about it.

This thread has had more legs than the movie