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https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149726359/

The response seems to be pretty positive, though somewhat mixed around the Polish audience. But from where I’m looking, this breakup is a huge and necessary step in the right direction for Peter and MJ’s stories! Agree? Disagree? Let’s discuss!

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>>149734099
I fucking love Spider-Man and his wife. Mary Jane Parker. Finally, we’re trending upwards.

>>149734099
Such a beautiful scene, iconic moment. Paul is going to kill himself!

Greetings from Poland, my friends.

>>149734099
Are there any chances of Paul having appearances or relevancy after this?

>>149734172
I could see it for Flash specifically. He’s a Spider-Man Stan, has a hero complex, and would jump at the chance to LIVE THE DREAM.

MJ being a superhero was much weirder, but at least with VenoMJ it’s a potential mistakes into miracles situation.

>>149734264
As much as Carly Cooper.

>>149734264
Very little aside from his next issue in All New Venom, which is meant to cement him as over and done with. I think it’ll be a long time before people try to pair off MJ with a writer’s OC ever again, much like how the comic spent literal decades loathing the idea of clones. RIP to anyone who somehow cared about Bobby Carr, Pedro, or the Tony Stark/Mary Jane pairing that never actually happpened, nor ever will happen given his sole purpose seems to be rebounding back to Emma Frost now.

>>149734236
Welcome! All are welcome!

>>149734081 (OP)
>the right direction for Peter and MJ’s stories!

Who cares? I read comicbooks for fun and to escape reality. Not real life, which I don't need to remind why my girlfriend is awesome.

>>149734081 (OP)
Should've been Carol

I honestly wished Paul married MJ. The tears would be delicious.

>>149734081 (OP)
Nobody cares about your MJslop Ewing. Get off of Venom already so we can get Eddie back.

>>149734359
It’s at the very least moving in a more fun direction for once. Still not letting go of my death grip on Ultimate Spider-Man though. Hopefully Cates gets the relaunch.

>>149734362
Perhaps, anon, perhaps. Though I really like the thought of VenoMJ rebuilding a newer, stronger relationship with the three of them and Peter someday…

>>149734386
It’s not 2004 anymore. Books can’t get carried off of an enraged fan being an engaged fan. ASM wasn’t even a top 10 book for last July…

Who will be MJ's next lover? Keep reading!

>>149734456
PETER PARKER!

>>149734456
Felicia hardy

>>149734508
In honor of Paul’s demise I bring a repost of a VenoMJ greentext.
>"VenoMJ, why did you destroy *every* razor in my apartment?"
>"Hehe, now imagine the cost of replacing all that! You might as well let it grow out! We win again, Tiger!
>"...Fine."

VenoMJ why did you destroy all his razors, those cost like fifty cents at most, he's not that poor.
>PARKER CAN'T EVER KNOW THAT THE THOUGHT OF HIM WITH THE BEARD AGAIN GETS US HOT AND BOTHERED.
Why didn't you just tell him to grow his beard out
>And play right into his hands??? Let him know how much POWER he has over us? Oh no. We're not letting ourselves get bent over and railed silly this time, Parker...

>>149734608
For threesome to be spitroasted between Peter’s dick and VenoMJ’s 19 inches, which she extends for those times when she wants to be pitcher rather than the receiver!

>>149734081 (OP)
I wonder who'll get Toxin next. Back with the kid? Unthinkable given the circumstances, and Flash himsel is on a timer.

>>149734660
A funny thought is they could go for Earth Peter. We saw a suspiciously Venomesque fellow in the usual red and blue in one cover.

Also, also, I wonder what the deal is for “Symbie” with Space Peter. Are they an offshoot of VenoMJ, there to keep an eye on both Peters? Or some kind of offshoot or hybrid or something?

While I’m glad the Paul shit is done and over with.I honestly feel like people who are celebrating like they just went 12 rounds with rocky are stupid because only the symptom has been fixed and not the disease

>>149734704
Truth be told? I’m just celebrating Gwenschizo having a shitty day. Fingers crossed for Ultimate Spider-Man having a relaunch after Endgame with Donny Cates helming.

>>149734309
…Who?

>>149734264
This is the Spider Office, we are talking about. The odds are definitely higher than zero, which is not a good thing at all

>>149734704
Meh, I've checked out of Spider comics until Peter marries MJ again anyway

>>149734805
Exactly.

>>149734843
Awh cool, thanks for the repeat storytime for those just joining, anon. Watch out for the Gwenschizo though, he’s probably going to be up all night spamming reports. Ganbare!

>>149734866
It’s why I’ve only been buying Ultimate and pirating everything else. If they want me to buy it, make something I’ll actually like.

>>149734916
Expect the last one is still not in the archive and you know what that means now right?

Who cares about MJ, whos Spidey gonna fight next?

>>149735048
I look at this, and all I can think is "wow, this is so stupid. Glad I don't read comics regularly anymore".

>>149735316
When a girl breaks up with you, don't bother fighting. It's not worth the effort or whatever relationship comes next after she says yes. Salvage your pride and bounce.

>>149735349
>Paul
>Pride
kek

>>149735316
what happened to the last page

>>149735670
Probably nothing important happened.

I think he took it pretty well. Venom 10 preview

>>149734877
Why did they turn Betty into Peggy Hill?
Wasn’t she a bob cut brunette?

>>149735797
Somebody photoshop this, making him look like he masturbates to his break up.

>>149735797
He’s going to fucking hang himself.

>>149735797
That man's dick is dead

I have unwavering faith in Joe Kelly. Point me a bad comic run of his, and I will tell you it's secretly good. Al Ewing however sucks tranny dick, fuck him.

>>149735724
>>149735670
It was already posted upthread: >>149734099 for whatever reason. The anon storytiming can’t post the same image twice.

>>149735858
I was like you anon until I saw Hellgate. Maybe is just Nick Lowe

So how did MJ suddenly come to this conclusion? Even though she's saying everything I want her to say, shutting him down, I struggle to justify this sudden heel turn. So they went to consoling after the kids ceased to exist, but that was about it. Did she realize that playing family, and by extension Jackpot, were both her in denial after coming home? Has this entire thing just been MJ lying to herself that her actions were understandable and not basically Stockholm syndrome? Because she's not having the breakdown she should be having, specifically admitting that she fucked up royally and did Peter wrong by not talking after coming home. Was it because she fears him loving him more than she loves him? Feels like we're long overdue for a conversation, or at least breaking down and fessing up to Venom since he's basically the only one she can really talk to right now.

This is like step one one a multi step process to address and fix shit

>>149735925
It doesn't even feel like she's mad about the whole murder thing. Which she should be.

>>149735858
Non-Stop/Savage Spider-Man

>>149735797
what the fuck is wrong with his arms

>>149734081 (OP)
Paul was my favorite villain.

>>149735990
He didn’t molest Dylan Brock.

>>149735925
his aztec math gizmo that was brainwashing her exploded

I think we're neglecting to ask a vital question; why is this happening NOW? What changed? Is Nick Lowe leaving his office? Is there something happening in the Brand New Day film that has put pressure on the books? Did someone over at Disney higher up on the food chain finally get a memo and confronted the Spider-Office? Has Nick Lowe finally just broken down after years of harassment online? Is it all just a scam again to sell ASM#1000 copies? Does the Venom book work under a loophole that Lowe can't control, and Ewing and Gomez are just doing whatever the fuck they want to pressure the Spider-Office (I was under the impression editorial is somewhat compartmentalized but correct me if I am wrong)?

>>149736015
I've been saying this for months yet anons keep saying "That's a shit explanation!". Paul fucking rolled to get MJ/Peter into his doomed reality, and has been consistently using it to gamble/win the life he always wanted.

>>149735349
>>149735395
Yeah it doesn’t look like he’s willing to bounce, and is probably going to do something psychotic that’s going to get him thrown out. >>149735797

Dude looks like a serial killer.

>>149736024
Turns out Lowe is predictably a giant cuck, so if a writer just tells him to go fuck himself and does whatever he wants then nothing bad happens.

>>149736024
nothing changed its bait to try and get more sales. ASM will continue to be nothing ever happens.

>>149736024
If something changed, it probably happened ~ten months ago when All New Venom began. They were probably planning to get rid of him the entire time, and my best guess is: they were sick of the online backlash and Ultimate Spider-Man would not stop humiliating them.

>>149736024
I imagine Ult. completely humiliating them was enough for them to finally take the hint. Before they could excuse themselves because Spider-Man was still a top selling title (because every other title was also being shit but whatever). But ult. showed they could have been making way more money all along.
That said, they probably learned the wrong lessons from ult.

>>149736095
Yeah it’ll need to be a steady stream of decent issues before I step a foot back into ASM. I can always get anything I missed in trade if it turns out to be really good.

Which is to say I will buy All New Venom in Trade because fuck Paul. Truly historic.

Don't forget Gwen being a clone of a clone and not a mutant

Screencap this
>EVERYTHING, from the kids, family, MJ loving him, getting trapped in another world, Rabin, Wayeb, it's all been Paul using his fucking math gambling device trying to get the life he always wanted
>He's a pathetic entitled gambling addict who has been doubling down trying to keep his fantasy alive, but with each use it has only unraveled further
>MJ only started "waking up" after her Jackpot device blew up and got saved/fused with Venom.
>After getting dumped Paul will attempt to build a new device, only it will land on an unfavorable outcome, either endangering the city or having a negative impact on himself

Paul is fucking Parker Luck personified.

>>149736202
We don't even need to talk about that shit because Gwenpool obviously was a ruse from the get go.

>>149736225
Pretty much. I'm pretty sure the big reveal that this was all Gwenpool using her comic powers to keep herself relevant, which isn't exactly the worst idea for a story, but the issue is how Marvel keeps going "This is totally for real the most totally realest thing ever, true believer!"
It's such a dead marketing model, it died in the womb.

>>149736183
Hickman has redefined the industry just by turning down the “shit on Peter Parker dial” down by a trivial 10%.

Paul’s sudden excision is ASM’s way of turning that dial down a bit more to USM levels, I think. At least enough to fool people into coming back.

>>149736205
Yeah, I also believe this is Paul's villain origin.

Also, by #250 he may die/make a deal with Knull and sell out on All New Venom/Dylan, closing and tying this new era with Brock era.

Who else is conflited about Flash being a hero? I liked the original agent venom run, and he seems to be a good hero overall but I miss him being in Peter's life.
He's stuck into symbiote shit for life now.

>>149736303
If Paul gets a new jackpot device with random roll powers, his villain name should be "Rig"

>>149736303
Paul is probably also selling out VenoMJ to SCAR and is the reason the three skulls incident happened in the first place. His behavior is just too suspicious. Somehow he doesn’t do a diagnostic on the device after the Symbiote messed with it, and only did it after it literally killed her. Somehow SCAR and Flash are able to find her minutes after Paul himself finds out. Somehow Paul’s pissed off at Robbie for not revealing that MJ is Venom’s Host. He deliberately interferes with the attempt to fake Flash’s death and even berates the SCAR people like he’s their boss or something. I think he’s a rat.

>>149736381
I'm okay with him being a hero, and I don't get why he doesn't hang out with Peter more often. Peter should be able to hang out with hero friends, and it's a crime that he doesn't.

>>149736024
I think Ewing just did it to tidy things up. If we go by his blog, he seems rather confused by the response all the Paul stuff got, and he doesn't get it
>Okay, okay... this is another issue of All-New Venom that got leaked ahead of time, because there's a big character beat in here for MJ which has been, ahem, long-awaited in some circles. Looking at the reaction, I'm halfway between utterly fascinated and totally bemused. I'm sure I'll talk more about this once the dust settles.
>Are the readers okay? I honestly have NO IDEA
Gomez is probably the only creator who does it seem to get it.

>>149735963

I dunnow what even tell you, Parker turning into a Spider is always a based development.

>>149736381
I like it. I feel like the whole let-me-bully-Parker arc is over already once he reaches adulthood and going to war changed him for the best.

>>149736438
I think you nailed it. I hope it turns out to be something like this.

>>149736513

Something tells me Ewing is more of a Felicia guy that never got MJ and is writing her by editorial mandate, because this lack of care about this whole Paul thing shows he is not interested about what happens to her at all and is just writing like it's a regular book.

What means Spider-Man fans will feel trolled when Paul gets back with MJ.

>>149736192
>buying a shitty comic just because it shits on a crappy character a couple times
Sucker, it's stupid as fuck to buy anything that acknowledges someone you hate in any shape or form instead of just buying something you like that has no involvement of a shitty character. Giving your shelf a spot for that shit character to always exist in your home rent free and paying the company responsible for that shitty character existing is beyond cucked

>>149734642
No, Peter gets raped by Venom in a ditch while Felicia and MJ make love on a comfortable, king-sized bed.

>>149734805
Peter's one and only true love, silly.

>>149736225
Gwenschizo was insisting for months that it was totally the real Gwen and she was officially a mutant now

>>149736694
>Something tells me Ewing is more of a Felicia guy that never got MJ
That tracks Ewing's introduction to Marvel was reprints of Secret Wars and comics released around that time,
You can see this in Immortal Thor, where Thor and Enchantress are an important relationship, so it stands to reason the Spider-Man era, he would know best is the Roger Stern era and the Black Suit era that followed Secret Wars.

>>149734264
Paul will come back as a villain, using that weird unstable magic tech as his gimmick
And if he does come back as a villain he's better off as a sad pathetic one attempting to get back with MJ until his weird magic tech kills him

>>149736303
>>149736205
I'm genuinely curious. Has there ever been a supervillain that stole the hero's love interest and had a full on romantic relationship with them, or a supervillain that was the heroine's ex that stole them from their main love interest? I don't mean single and banged a stranger that turned out to be a villain, or raped the girl, but a full on living together, sleeping together, like a real couple.

>>149735925
If Peter takes MJ back, I have lost any remnants of respect I still had for his 616 version left. You dont need MJ, Felicia or Gwen for good Spider-man story or for Peter to be in healthy relationship, I'd rather take some new OC like Chat that genuinely cares about him and is willing to show it instead of some old flame that loves humiliating and cucking him

>>149736934
>Has there ever been a supervillain that stole the hero's love interest and had a full on romantic relationship with them,
Eddie Brock
>or a supervillain that was the heroine's ex that stole them from their main love interest?
Venom

Unpopular opinion and not even bait but I feel bad for Paul. He's been unmercifully shat on the entire venom run, specially by the little shit Dylan. His biggest sin besides the genocide of billions is being a massive soifaggot but he's not even a bad guy. He's taking all the blame of shit writers assassinating MJ's character

Paul is love, Paul is life.
I wouldn't mind if Paul hooked up with Peter for a change

>>149736982
Wich makes it even better because he's "self insert: the character"

>>149734508
been there, done that

>>149736982
Paul is nothing more and nothing less than a target for the endless faggotry from Marvel given human form. He's just the latest and most rage inducing creation of the endless post-OMD Spider-Man humiliation ritual.

Paul can disappear, and precisely ZERO of the problem is resolved. Marvel is the true perpetrator.

>>149736982
>he's not even a bad guy.
Bro code dictates Paul was not only an asshole for making moves on MJ, but also for forcing the relationship too after getting home.
>"Hey MJ you must be really confused and conflicted right now. Do you need to take time to talk to Peter and have some space?"

Fuck him

>>149737011
>Paul feels like he needs to get back at MJ for dumping him
>Peter goes for it because assfucking the guy who cucked him sounds good and he wants to get back at MJ for being retarded
>MJ jealous and aroused when seeing it
this shit writes itself

>>149736934
Besides all the issues of consent, this is the reason I doubt they'd make Paul a villain without retconning their intimacy. How does Spidey banter with a villain that's fucked the love of his life longer than he has? How does MJ rebuke the villain that she loved more than Peter? If the Foreigner's taunts about Black Cat were rough or picturing Osbourne with Gwen, imagine supervillain Paul.

>>149737051
>thinking the humiliation began with OMD
Classic MJ-fag behavior making excuses for Spider-man writers that have been out to make Peter suffer for sales since 1960s

Yeah everyone expects him to become a villain and die but I propose as a challenge to turn him into a hero and actually a good one that can stick around.
Any writer good enough to pull it off these days?

>>149737090
>How does Spidey banter with a villain that's fucked the love of his life longer than he has?
First, don't exaggerate, MJ and Peter were fucking longer than Paul. Second, Peter doesn't HAVE to banter with every villain. Hell I rarely does with Green Goblin anymore given their bad blood, hence why you know its serious.
>MJ rebuke the villain that she loved more than Peter?
Loved more than Peter? Now I know you're just baiting.

>>149737142
>I propose as a challenge to turn him into a hero and actually a good one
Why the fuck would anyone do that, or want to do that? There's nothing here to even make that possible

>>149737189
Everything is possible if you're good enough
You can take the easy way out and just kill out the shit character and we wouldn't care or you can make something memorable and when was the last time ASM had something truly memorable?

Time for Peter to get back at MJ by stealing the Venom symbiote. Pretty sure that old canon of Symbiote being willing to immediately ditch their current host the moment Peter asks its to come back is still canon

>>149736024
Not sure about Ewing, but Gomez has clearly wanted this since ANV started. As for why it was allowed to happen, they're just back to dangling MJ in front of the readers' faces to try and get more sales. At best they might be building towards some stunt with the two for ASM #1000 but I doubt it

>>149737266
Still think 1000 will be the Norman going evil again or dying for good (not really) again.

>>149737229
Look this isn't like revamping 8-Ball in Moon Knight, anon. There is literally no good foundation here, compounded by years of fan hatred. You'd essentially be creating a new character entirely, which no one will support or buy given the elephants in the room.

So the only reason why you're asking for this is for transparent shitposting fodder because you refuse to leave the dead horse alone. This is just like /co/ with New Warriors all over again

>>149737170
>First, don't exaggerate, MJ and Peter were fucking longer than Paul. Second, Peter doesn't HAVE to banter with every villain. Hell I rarely does with Green Goblin anymore given their bad blood, hence why you know its serious.
I have no idea what the timeframes are. They should be over 30, but they are not. In either case, she's been a couple with that bum for years, time bullshit or not. I don't know about you, but I'm not interested in watching villain Paul hurl provocations at Peter and/or Mary Jane.

>Loved more than Peter? Now I know you're just baiting.
I've never baited in my life. She picked that piece of shit over Peter repeatedly. Why? I don't know. I know how it's presented. And I'm not gonna buy into a good explanation to excuse Wells and company's garbage writing until I read it.

>>149737250
Venom still would, if given the chance.

>>149737371
>Why? I don't know.
as of right now? Stockholm

>>149737311
We had that comment from Aunt May about Peter living long or something so I wouldn't be surprised if they kill her off again. It would be the cheapest and laziest way to force some sort of progression on the character without actually affecting anything

Why the fuck would Ben Reilly not want to reconnect with Aunt May if ever given the chance? Even before the Chasm shit.

>>149737170
Peter and MJ were together like 6 months in universe mj was fucking Paul for 3 years

>>149737421
He doesn't know who may is

>>149737454
He knew during his Jackal phase and factory reset in Spidergeddon

>>149737487
Yeah but then beyond took away all of peters memories

>>149737432
>6 months in universe
Source, your ass.

>>149736934
Mocking bird and Phantom rider

I haven't read in months, what happened to Bren and Toxin?

>>149737421
Ben's current motivation doesn't make a lick of sense. It was one thing when he lost his shared memories with Peter and wanted them back, even if every single person in the world was a total retard about it. Now Ben apparently just wants to take over Peter's life, despite having barely any memories about it. Nothing that he's doing now will get his memories back because Peter isn't here, and he's not even actually living Peter's life because he's ignoring everyone.

>>149737514
Peter is only 28

>>149737614
And he's known MJ for years

>>149737609
Toxin was taken from bren

Man they did absolutely nothing with toxin and bren huh

>>149736982
Yes, he is a weird character.

>>149736934
>Has there ever been a supervillain that stole the hero's love interest and had a full on romantic relationship with them
That pretty much happened in Archie Sonic with Scourge stealing Sonic's girlfriend

>>149737626
They dated for like 5 months then broke up when they didn't have a kid/get married. Then they got back for about a month before she met Paul

>>149737611
ALL I want is for Kaine to intervene, and bring Peter and Kaine to Dr.Samson. So all three of them can sit down and talk.

>>149737632
That's sad. I was fond of their relationship. Little lad just can't catch a break with hosts.

>>149735316
It is pretty funny how, as soon as the writing for Paul was out of Zeb Wells hands, other writers immediately started going off on how shitty this whole idea is

>>149737697
You don’t have to be a retard to understand that a relationship built only off trauma, Stockholm syndromes, and imaginary children is toxic as fuck and makes absolutely zero sense when the trauma never last past the chapter arc, they are no longer trapped together, and the kids are gone.

>>149737656
I want Peter to make at least one actual attempt at helping Ben. The Chasm mini had Janine bitch and say that they couldn't get help from Reed or Dr Strange and I'm left asking why? Why hasn't Peter brought this problem up to either of them? Reed has done this exact thing before, with Peter present.

>>149737741
We're never getting a healed brotherhood, are we? I wonder if Spidercide will torment Ben thinking it's Peter?

>>149737421
He doesn't remember the good, only the bad things.

Also, I believe is one of the two: Peter MUST go to space to solve Hellgate stuff and asked Ben to replace him (he thinks Ben is on the good side again) or Ben is covering his tracks to not let people around him know he's not Peter.

Either way, I want it to end by Ben realising that Peter's life is not that good and somehow getting his Reilly memories back.

>>149735349
Just tell her no, then put her over your knee and spank her.

>>149737773
Aren't we getting a storyline where the spider-verse gang attack Ben? I remember seeing something in the solicits where Miles and his ilk are fighting Earth Spider-Man.

>>149737815
I wonder why he didn't ask about his niece if he remembers dying in Peter's arms

>>149735925
Because doing it in the guest place was out of character so this is just her getting back on track

>>149735797
he looks like he's about to pull down his pants and jerk it to old sex videos he has of MJ on his phone

>>149736694
I mean, even if you're not a Peter/MJ guy (like me), you should understand Paul was just not okay on every level.

>>149737844
Because peter and MJ were never married so she never got pregnant

>>149737655
Anon devil deal or not all that shit prior still happened. Go fish elsewhere

>>149737844
Unfortunately, because Jackal's stupid Clone Conspiracy.

>>149736109
>>149736183
It could make sense if execs caught wind of the backlash. The writers have really been skirting by with the lie that comics that make readers angry boost sales and that their all time low numbers are just a side effect of the economy/TikTok/COVID/the transition period of women and minorities realizing ANY DAY NOW that they really want to follow the monthly adventures of Spider-Man, but Ultimate coming in an blasting past everything else is undeniable proof that it's not an extenuating circumstance, they could have been doing numbers like that this entire time but no one liked what they were writing and they werent going to eventually just give up and buy whatever slop was served to them because nothing else was available.

>>149737909
DELETE THIS

>>149737906
Yes it happened. It like 6 months

>>149737955
spidercide is built like cho hulk he's not taking over anyone's life

>>149737966
No, but he will mess with Reilly every other day

>>149737090
I'm fine with them retconning them as never having been intimate, especially because any writer who tries to walk it back will get attacked by editorial and tumblrinas due to consent issues

>>149737432
Pete and MJ were together for their entire dating history plus marriage, they just don't remember because of Mephisto (yet)

I doubt they'll die this but this could be a perfect segue into MJ and eventually Pete recovering all of their memories.

>>149738031
You're talking to a shitposter trying to grasp straws now that his favorite toy is gone

I dont know what the point of it being Ben would be

>>149736437
Fucking Riggers ruin everything

>>149737868
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's mind went there.

Venom #10 teaser

>completely fuck over Venom to pander to dumb shippers and self-inserting Spider-fags
>not even edging up MJ instead turning her '''Venom''' into just another Spider-hero
Al Ewing needs to be gone from symbiote comics

>>149737834
My vote is for Ben. I don't hate any of the others but bro needs a win.

>>149738460
keep mj and venom from asking peter for help for more venomj content ig

>>149738460
What has been the point of any Ben story since he was brought back from the dead?

The art is so shit.

Jews can't draw.

>>149738042
>>>/a/

>>149736055
maybe the pedoschizo was right he will try to rape dylan in retaliation

>>149737311
Can we please keep him on his supernatural bullet-based meds a bit longer? I love Norman's evil edge, but I really don't want to lose this version of him. I'm also worried Marvel will steer the Green Goblin dynamic toward a basic good versus evil setup because of No Way Home, and keeping things on pause helps delay that shift if they decide to go there. The dynamic thrives as pragmatic evil versus impulsive evil, and I’d hate to see that get flattened for another stereotype.

>>149737891
OMD means everything happened unless stated otherwise, they just weren't married for reasons.

>>149738460
It doesn't make sense, even for Chasm status quo standards. Clutch guy isn't Ben, the narration is misdirection.

>>149734081 (OP)
who'll she suck and fuck after paul? money is on flash.

>>149738877
>It doesn't make sense, even for Chasm status quo standards
Literally the last time we saw Ben he was scheming about trying to take Peter's life for his own. No it doesn't make sense, but nothing about Chasm makes sense

>>149738992
Whoever the Skrull is in #250
Or Carol Danvers after she deals with the Skrull if he's evil

I don't acknowledge this Paul person as anything more than self-insert. I don't care about anything involving his character or what he has to do with Spider-Man. If he's going to be involved in any way, shape or form then rather than choose to be offended I will ignore the brightly colored media aimed at children. It isn't like Peter Parker has any lessons he could possibly impart on adults anyway. He was intended to guide children to make moral choices and think of putting others first. Children need that kind of reinforcement because it's easy for them to fall back into selfish, self-destructive programming that will doom them to a life of being maladjusted and always at odds with their peers as opposed to getting along. As an adult? I still require structure and a sound foundation, mind and discipline to get me through. But turning to a comicbook character as an adult is a foolish endeavor. I look at the greatest example of heroism humanity has ever known and I follow Him. Because Jesus doesn't have a bunch of terrible writers with an axe to grind against themselves or even Him putting out scripture about Him. Only thing that comes from the writers of scripture concerning Jesus and God is Love, Truth and everlasting Peace. He pours out his Wrath once his Grace and Mercy has been ignored or taken advantage for too long. And when he pours out his fury is is truly great. Nothing like it has ever or will ever happen like it ever again in the history of man, like with the Great Flood. Falling into the hands of the Living God is a terrible thing but to be his friend and follower and servant? It pays back dividends.

So, yeah, I can't keep it up for Spider-Man. Too many writers and editorial have reduced him nothing. Time to put the capes away. It comes time for everyone.

Mephisto...please

>>149735797
>>149734456
>>149735816

>>149739014
why the fuck would you want to be peter

>>149735797
he's packing

>>149739033
Venom is going to gain his cosmic powers back and break the omd curse trust

>>149739161
I'm placing me faith in you.

>>149739184
>>149739033
It's gonna be Miles, he'll scrape out every last bit of Paul's cum from her holes. Cap this.

>>149739225
Impossible, he'll be busy having sex with a newly arrived Jessica Drew.

>>149736934
>Has there ever been a supervillain that stole the hero's love interest and had a full on romantic relationship with them
has unfortunately happened multiple times to Spiderman in the past. This was what Sins Past originally was (gwen stacy's virginity taken by norman osborn who impregnated her with twins she gave birth to in their european love nest before her death, after peter never got past second base with her, thankfully recently retconned away to have been a Mysterio illusion tricking Norman)
then Black Cat shacked up with the Foreigner, banged him while still Peter's roommate and lover, helped him frame Peter for murder, and then said peter's dick wasn't as big. This was back in the 80's.

oh and famously the whole Terra and Slade thing in Judas Contract, for a DC example

>>149739014
Where the fuck is Kaine to slap some sense into this edgelord?

>>149737170
>First, don't exaggerate, MJ and Peter were fucking longer than Paul.
they were in the pocket dimension for 4 years, Peter Parker isn't allowed to be 30, I don't think it's 100% guaranteed he's been banging MJ longer than Paul has especially considering all the times MJ has broken up with him to fuck other guys (including the brown firefighter dude during Superior, or the time she dumped Peter to be a famous moviestar's supermodel girlfriend and Peter was forced to be Paparazzi taking pictures of her in bed with him....)

>>149739286
Too many spiders to care about.

>>149739397
Mexico

>>149739429
I don't even ship them but damn these writers are just mean-spirited.

>>149739397
Kaine was always the smartest clone because he pretty quickly figured out that being Peter Parker sucks and is not something you should envy or try to imitate.
In my headcanon he's chilling on a beach in Tijuana with Araceley sipping mojitos

>>149739584
honestly, this makes me crave a series in which spiderman was single.
just peter having fun being a hero and focusing on that, no romance or anything, just pure action and adventures.

>>149739225
>>149739286
Fuck off Bendis

>>149736205
>Parker Luck
>Pa. Lu.
>Paul

>>149736943
>I have lost any remnants of respect I still had for his 616 version left.
>Blaming characters for writers mistakes

How are you still this new.

>>149740118
nta but I believe that peter should be single, it works better that way.

MJ needs to die, who agrees

>>149740467
>who agrees
citizens of Poland

>>149739584
>Araceley
What ever did happen to her, now that I think about it. Las I vaguely recall she and Kaine were thrown into the New Waariors, then Kaine got teleported for some event... One of the Spiderverse muderfests where he died again? Giid lord, it's hard to keep up sometimes.

>>149740548
yeah she was in new warriors but then literally RIGHT as it happened Spiderverse happened and Kaine was busy fighting Solus and the Progenitors, she's a Yost character and he's mostly busy with film and TV stuff these days so she hasn't really appeared much (he wrote a kidpool and spiderboy series recently so he's still somewhat involved in comics)
Looking into it she hasn't really done much since that new warriors bit got undercut in 2013, she had a brief cameo in 2019 where she showed up for a Champions crossover thing. She's just there for like two pages to remind everyone she's still alive and apparently has an internet connection. Kaine has showed up more recently, he was dragged into that godawful Ben Reilly/Jackal/Chasm shitshow but hasn't had much chance to star in his own book

>>149734081 (OP)
>mj and Paul break up...!
Yeah, and they'll be back together by years end. Have none of you read a comic in your life?

>>149740467
If that's what it takes to get back to actual Venom stories.

>>149739225
Yeah cap this as in that shit ain't happening. No cap on god this cuck shit you're spewing is so cap.

>>149740894
cope

>>149739014
Just imagine how deranged Ben is that he sees Peter eating with Paul and being envious.

>>149738992
Mysterio

>>149735797
>It all keeps tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down...
Get in the robot and disappear Paul.

>>149740390
That's the line of thinking that got us into this mess to start with.

>>149741861
it was more of a badly executed concept, guys like me wanted another peter who focused in doing hero stuff.
not 616 getting screwed over like this.
a peter parker from another timeline that just did hero stuff and romance was at best in the background, just spiderman kicking ass and being his classic self but without the damn drama of romance and relationships.
just 1 peter who was focused only doing hero stuff and his civilian life being the secondary one.

>>149741967
It sounds like you just wanted a toy.

>>149742012
a toy? that would mean I want to self insert as spiderman or puppet him.
no, I just wanted to see a spiderman that simply did his usual stuff but without the romance in the way, no gf or wife or romantic interest, just hero time and civilian life.
shit he can have friends and talk stuff, find cute a girl and all that crap but at the end of the day taking his hero duty seriously and dedicating his all to it.

>>149742012
That's a really rude way to describe 30% of all adults in the US.

>>149742136
picture it anon, another spiderman from another timeline who's is virtually the same as what you expect peter parker to be like but with the sole exception with him choosing to be single and in favor of being spiderman, thats it.
nothing more, nothing less.
spiderman saving the day without any concerns or worries about keeping a relationship or having a crush.
stopping villains and earning his wage at daily bugle being his only concerns.

>>149742012
Oops, meant to type clone.

>>149742280
Also forget picrel.

>>149742328
Ben has too much baggage for that. Despite allegedly being for the role of a cleaner Spider-Man, they gave him a bunch of shit in the 5 year gap on top of clongst.

>>149742280
I think "Toy" fits better. The people who don't want Pete in a real relationship don't want him to grow because they don't want to grow. They just want to see action figures fight.

>>149742499
Playing house is also toys, but they are aimed at a different demographic.

>>149741967
>a peter parker from another timeline that just did hero stuff and romance was at best in the background, just spiderman kicking ass and being his classic self but without the damn drama of romance and relationships.
we had this with Yost's Scarlet Spider being an independent hero in Houston Texas and it fucking ruled but he got too successful and famous writing shit like Earth's Mightiest Heroes and Thor Ragnarok so now he doesn't do many comics

>>149742460
>Baggage.
>Slottslop and Wellslop.
Meh. Just bring back Earth-94 Ben. He didn't have any of that baggage. In fact, just turn Earth-616 into Earth-94. It was a better world.

>>149738992
>who'll she suck and fuck after paul?
Gwen "X-31" Stacy (It's a build up to a threesome make up sex with Peter Parker).

>>149742499
not quite so, it is just plainly unnecessary for peter to have a "real relationship" and all that implies.
look at what happened when he did got such a thing, it was a disaster and a messy thing that didn't really had much place in comics, it felt like highschool drama amped up to eleven.
it is exasperating to see and it gets old fast.

So how will spidey fans justify all the shit Marvel did for tainting MJ and convince you to read comics again?

>>149734081 (OP)
I want to think this is Marvel "listening", but honestly, none of this matters. Even if MJ and Peter get back together in the future, it won't matter because the powers that be will always tear them apart again, because there is no permanence. Nothing ever stays in comics, especially for Spider-Man. He will never find stability in his life, and will always be pulled around by the writers, editors, or whoever is making the ultimate calls. Misery porn is the only thing ever on the menu, because rage bait sells.

>>149737403
I get the feeling she's the only supporting character who's safe from ever being killed off again. They may tease the possibility, but I don't think they'll really go through with it.

>>149739225
ngl miles x maryjane would be kino

>>149743452
I dunno, between her barely being used in modern stories plus the Insomniac games, spider-verse, and Ultimate all having her dead, I could very easily see them killing her off for some easy attention

>>149743568
She's like twice his age.

>>149743581
which is why if would be great

>>149735815
So Peter can start selling propane.

>>149736707
I'll rant just a little bit.
I hate that I no longer can talk shit about Rowling because of "muh trannies".
You hate Rowling because you're offended on trannies' behalf.
I hate Rowling because I'm sick and tired of "every magical school in fiction is le Hogwarts" retards. Especially when a work is much more influenced by The Worst Witch (case in point, Little Witch Academia anime)
We are not the same.

>>149743853
I don't give a shit about Rowling or trannies I'm just using that as an example of the folly of trying to pwn someone only for it to end up being rent free in your mind. If you hate something, do not bring it up, don't mention it, don't hate consume it, don't waste time on it whatsoever, give it zero attention and simply consume things you actually like instead of making yourself seem obsessed with it.

>>149743932
I know. I just wanted a convenient excuse to voice my grievances with the entire situation, sorry you got in the crossfire.

>>149737697
Carlos Gomez MJ my beloved

>>149739184
Seriously, why is Gomez so based?

>>149743355
>rage bait sells
Is that why a fucking Chinese game is bringing back the Marvel swimsuit issue for the first time in 30 years? All soap opera faggots will be fired before that game reaches EOL.

>>149744545
Anon you should actually read that issue before you shill it. The art sucked and the story around it was bad too, and the whole thing ended with the characters saying "these kinds of books suck"

>>149744587
Fanservice is fanservice.

>paul is over
>immediately people trying to give reasons why Peter and MJ shouldn't get back together
Still going for the miserable consolation prize?

>>149744980
It's because for whatever god forsaken reason these people get worked up about the actions of a character as if they were a real person with agency. They see a character being written out of character and just take it at face value.
Happens all the time

>>149744995
>>149744980
I wonder how many are actual, unironic unpaid interns trying to gaslight fans.

>>149745052
>unironic unpaid interns trying to gaslight fans.
That would be a new Lowe.

>>149734264
He's gonna hook up with Susan Storm next

Mary Jane’s niece Kristie would be 29 years old right now. Need to see her.

>>149745687
pretty sure is been 8-10yrs in-universe so she's 21-23

>>149744980
>>149744995
Some people react with irrational intensity, but I think it's reasonable to expect good character writing to acknowledge flawed behavior. This applies even when the behavior results from out-of-character writing. Characters should be treated like real people, with their actions addressed in a way that is authentic to the person they're attempting to portray.

>>149745762
The floating timeline for Marvel has been 15 to 16 years roughly

>>149743024
shut the fuck up ESL manchild

>>149739584
>A few issues into Ben's run
>Sudden PoV switch to Kaine resting at a beach at dusk, just relaxing
>Out of nowhere, a light in the sky appears with the pattern of Chasm's mask drawn on it
>It's the Ben-signal: Ben is being edgy again
>Kaine just groans and gets up to go grab his suit.

>>149735797
He's going to fucking kill himself.

Guys I'm starting to think Paul was never a Chad at all!!!

I know saying this will make me enemies... POWERFUL enemies... but...

I think I like this "Peter Parker" guy much better than Paul. Unlike Paul, Peter isn't a pedophile, and also, he's very responsible.

sex with mj as venom

>>149746041
from the beginning, yeah. peter has been spider-man for 13-15 yrs. he met Kirstie when she was 13 IIRC.

>>149734081 (OP)
>>149734099
Too late, bitch.
Used goods

>>149746113
>no argument left
>got cucked in fantasy too
victory.

>>149746746
I imagine Carlos and Ewing wanting her as this, but the retarded OMD cult wanting to downplay her and peter out of spite.
At least these fags will be kicked in 2026 since OMD will be undone at 1000

>>149734099
a good comeback would be for mary jane to return only for her to see peter being married with children in his home with some random woman he clicked with at some point.
extra points if she is either asian or ginger.

>>149740894
*by this run's end

>>149734081 (OP)
Which writer self insert is this? And what are the odds he went around IRL bragging that he was MJ's boyfriend to anyone within smelling distance?

>>149743024
>>149746903
>not quite so, it is just plainly unnecessary for peter to have a "real relationship" and all that implies
So is destroying AU that has Peter Parker who are in no relationship to prevent anyone from writing in it disingenuous soap opera faggot.

For such a supposed nothingburger and/or epic meme, there are some really angry faggots upset to see Paul go itt. Really makes you think.

>>149747027
Marywhore needs to be sterilized, her jumping from dick to dick has gone too far

>>149747095
>Which writer self insert is this
Marvel Exec editor Tom Brevoort.

>>149747095
Zeb Wells

>>149747118
She's not Polish. Only Polish people need to be sterilized. Polish people like... Paul...

>>149744545
Yeah, because a single-issue comic meant to advertise an already successful game is indicative of the current state of Spider-Man comics and the industry as a whole, u fucking retard.
Genuinely, kill yourself.

I don't believe it, look at the next issue preview she's evil and brainwashed by venom or some shit.

>>149747095
Zeb Wells was going through a messy divorce with SNL actress Heidi Gardner when he was writing Spider-Man and blatantly projected those issues onto his work so we got Paul.
Marvel needs to have a policy that anybody in active divorce proceedings isn't allowed to write anybody in a relationship, if you're getting divorced put them in the fucking X-Men cuckshed where they're all bisexual whores in a sex cult wannabe ethnostate so there's no character to assassinate

>>149740118
>not immersing yourself into the world to fully enjoy the fiction
If you just want to take the meta perspective, you would be correct. But doing that also cheapens the experience of enjoying comics. If you want to go down reductivist route, all off these characters are purely fictional and don't exist, why care about them at all? You can cope about MJ's character being tarnished by pulling the meta-card, but that doesn't change the fact that in-universe Peter has zero good reason to take her back without coming across as pathetic loser and out of character. Even as lonely nerd Peter still had more self-respect than that and writers having Peter carry to MJ's stupid decisions ("sorry tiger I want to live separately and focus on my career, deal with it") during post 2001 era eventually led to OMD so I don't think anyone sane wants that back

>>149747131
Thor and Enchantress are together?

>>149747166
>a single-issue comic
The game is a precedent that ir will be made again next year. Consider to start with yourself regarding suicide defeatist faggot.

>Gwenfags in eternal denial about their waifu being mean shit that also cucked Peter with Norman Osborn
>Feliciafags in eternal denial about their waifu being selfish slut willing to fuck literally anyone
>MJfags in eternal denial about their waifu being selfish piece of shit and ruining her and sabotaging her and Peter's relationship years before OMD even happened
Shippers are all so tiresome. They see short segment of time and when Peter Parker and their waifu are in happy relationship and want to pretend that small slice is how their relationship always was when ignoring the actual history. For Gwenfags its the 60/70s, for Feliciafags its the 80s prior 1987 and for MJfags its the 1987-2001 era with extremely selective memory editing out blemishes like Clone Saga away

>>149747325
I think she forgot he fucks Sif, Shulk and a few other women on the side
or maybe Enchantress is her fave ship

>>149747319
not him but what cheapens the enjoyment of the book is seeing characters behave wildly OOC because a writer got divorced and needed to project his misery

>>149747394
nobody wants to remember the clone saga. why they keep forcing it is anyone's guess

>>149747394
>the big 3 are soiled beyond repair
Bettybros our time has finally come.

>>149747472
Finally, Peter gets to cuck somebody else for once!

>>149747415
Writers do dumb decisions based on their feelings all the time. I'm pretty sure that most of the shipfags decrying OMD & Paul are willing to defend retarded shit like later 80s writers deciding to retcon MJ into always knowing about Peter being Spider-man despite behavioral inconsistencies this causes to number of old 60/70s era comics because they liked their waifu being special. You have to deal with writers being retarded and try to adjust for your immersion even though the hacks in charge make that hard at times. That's honestly a reason why I prefer shorter, self-contained runs over ASM. Marvel Adventures was gem that has yet to be topped and the current USM run has been pleasure to read

>>149747472
>>149747496
Ned-bros, its time to become Hobgoblin again to prevent our boy from getting cucked

USM is mediocre boring shit that only looks good in comparison to post-OMD garbage
None of the comics past the 90s are worth reading in any capacity, Marvel should've went bankrupt.

>>149747503
I didn't like that change nor did I like her being retconned into the girl-next-door when she was introduced as the early punk rock counter-culture type and then they threw that at Gwen because she didn't have much of a personality to herself beyond being dead

>>149747534
What exactly does girl-next-door even mean in this context?

>>149747521
>USM is mediocre boring shit that only looks good in comparison to post-OMD garbage
The fact that its something that reminds you of earlier era makes it worth reading
>None of the comics past the 90s are worth reading in any capacity
Wrong, there have been good runs well into late 2010s.
>Marvel should've went bankrupt
Already happened and Disney bought them out

>>149747518
>Peter starts a subtle affair with Betty a la Wolfman
>Ned finds out, goes all Hobgoblin and rampages across the city as stress relief, injects himself with extra-strength Goblin Formula
>the actions of Peter's peter means Spider-Man has to deal with the consequence of the Cuckoldgoblin
I'd read it.

>>149747131
>Executive editor
Former, now he is X-men's retarded editor, but then these fags will be booted in 2026 for tanking the fucking books this hard

No more cuckoldry

>>149747394
>>Gwenfags in eternal denial about their waifu being mean shit that also cucked Peter with Norman Osborn
that was officially retconned fairly recently, gwen stacy died a virgin and Norman Osborn was really banging Mysterio in a blonde wig.
Not that I want her resurrected, she should stay dead outside of shit like the Ultimate universe which is a separate continuity.

>>149735925
>Even though she's saying everything I want her to say, shutting him down, I struggle to justify this sudden heel turn.
Because she realized "Oh shit, I've been whoring myself to this guy for nothing.".

Speaking of Spidey's supporting cast, is Flash still married to his Vietnamese gf or did that get retconned too?

>>149747790
>Norman was banging Mysterio who he thought was Gwen
I never realized Mysterio was homo, how much did Harry pay him for this?

>>149747790
I like how Gwenpool brought her back to life as a MURDEROUS BLOODTHIRSTY WHORE

>>149747791
He’s always been a nothing character. Wells wanted to make his divorce everyone else’s problem, and I think getting rid of Paul is for the best. He actively damaged sales.

>>149747913
Ultimate really wouldn’t have succeeded as hard as it did if Paul didn’t suck so badly that everyone was looking for an alternative. So in a way, it’s thanks to Paul that Peter is married to MJ and has two children with her.

>>149747951
Are you saying... that in the grand scheme of things Paul is the real cuck?

>>149747962
He got lots of people to stop reading ASM, despite being an ASM character. That is pretty cucked.

>>149735797
That’s the face of a man who knows he lost the only good thing he had going on in his life, solely because he couldn’t stop whining about a blonde twink that was bullying him. Also torturing his girlfriend to death and leaving her on life support with an alien that had given her PTSD. That too.

>>149748078
the alien tortured her to death and is currently mind controlling her to break up with her loving and caring boyfriend.

>>149748100
The boyfriend that barely gave a shit she was tortured to death except to whine that THIS was why she hadn’t been in the mood lately. Yeah I’m blown away by his empathy, he cares about MJ just as much as his dead children or the billions of people who died on his earth. What a saint, stoically suffering the way he does.

>>149748153
It’s telling that he was so obsessed with self pity and how sad all of this made him when it was his tech that ended up killing her. An idyll romance worthy of the Polish epics, surely.

I kind of think that at this point editorial is mostly feeling embarrassed and annoyed over Paul, and at this point they also feel it’s best to just toss him out too.

do everyone a favor and toss out the last 10yrs as well

>>149747876
Oh nice try retard but now we know better that is nothing but a clone of Gwen Stacy

>>149748254
Just get rid of OMD and pretty much everything set after it. The reason USM was an instant success is because it never had an autistic Polish jagoff screeching in his nasally voice about the supremacy of his beloved campy hotpants wearing Djinni, Mephisto.

>>149741384
I like the art. What run is this?

>>149748295
Gwenschizo already said it was the real Gwen and that she’s coming back as a mutant!

>>149748315
coping this Mephisto shit they're doing now leads to that

>>149748322
https://batcave.biz/239-amazing-mary-jane.html

>>149734081 (OP)
>Agree?
Nah, MJ is old, busted, used up and tainted beyond any and all recovery. The correct move would be removing her (and her fuckboy Paul) from the series entirely as she's clearly no longer one of Spidey's cast characters

>>149748315
Can we keep Fever please? I love that book and it's never stated when it takes place so it may as well fit into pre-OMD canon.

>>149748315
It would do no good since it is implied that MJ remembers the deal with Mephisto.

>>149748356
This is what the previous writer wanted you to think of MJ (because he hate her and Peter being together), so you let yourself be manipulated.

>>149748333
That's not the real Gwen I would love see her back but not like that.

>>149748356
I think I refuse to give Zebediah Wells any real impact or legacy, personally. He wrote a retarded story, because he was retarded. ASM in general is worthless, not just MJ. That’s why Ultimate is still beating it, even with its conclusion imminent.

>>149748375
Doesn’t seem to be the case anymore now then. Even the editors don’t remember the deal anymore. They want everyone to forget it and move on.

>>149748425
>the state of modern spider-man comics

>>149748445
Mephisto’s just a big gay genie, pretty much. He talks with a lisp and takes it up the ass. Campy and fun now, like Loki.

>>149747844
They still tease Flash and Liz til this day.

why doesn't peter just find another genie to undo the horseshit then use his other wish to bring back gwen

>>149748473
Mephisto’s just not important, and just not interesting. He’s the Paul Rabin of Demons at this point. Much like Paul I don’t understand his obsessed Polish fanbase.

>>149748490
I read that fic!

Why does Marvel hate the idea of Peter being happy and the MC of his own series in favor of bootleg copies of him and Paul?

>>149736934
This is actually the exact thing that happened in Adam’s’ Green Lantern.

>>149748380
>>149748403
I respect this opinion, shit writer does absolutely hold account over characters they ruin but character's integrity is also a thing

>>149748536
Because they think they need angst and drama to make a good story.

They’re not wrong, but their approach to storytelling is childish and sophomoric.

>>149748445
Oh But they do remember it anon since they keep inserting Mephisto in Spider-Man you did read the Bring on the Bad Guys: Green Goblin #1 one-shot I take it.

Theeee woooorld'sss...
sloweeeeest...
spammerrrrr...
striiiikessss...
again...!
>captcha: SPMXM

>>149748614
Yeah, but it’s all ancient history. Or taking shit already there and saying “now it’s Mephisto.” When has that faggot actually claimed any souls? He collects marriages and shit instead, he’s pathetic.

>>149748833
This. Nobody cares about Mephisto being involved in Norman’s backstory. But maybe, shoehorning himself uselessly into Norman’s backstory will make people care about Mephisto? He’s an attention whore, and his MCU version fits him perfectly because he’s also a boring self-important fuck.

>>149748916
>Mephisto is a boring self-important fuck.
>AND WHO ELSE is a boring self-important fuck???

Guys. Paul was secretly Mephisto all this time!

>>149748425
Peter is doing so badly he's been practically Yamcha'ed.

>>149748833
It's hardly ancient history since they keep inserting him and they are still not done with him

"Bring on the Bad Guys: Mephisto #1

Mephisto's epic schemes come to a fiery conclusion! Victory is in Mephisto's grasp as he prepares to take control over all souls on Earth! But who is the mysterious figure who stands against him? Guest-starring the entire villain lineup of the original Bring on the Bad Guys: Doctor Doom, Dormammu , the Red Skull, the Green Goblin, Loki, and the Abomination!

This implies the involvement of the Green Goblin in this yet again and for all we know it may take place in the present day they may even insert Spider-Man in this somehow.

>>149749072
>But who is the mysterious figure who stands against him?
Mayday Parker !

>>149748962
>AND WHO ELSE is a boring self-important fuck???
Peter Parker of course he is no longer interesting.

>>149749104
Peter is a boring fuck, but he has a low opinion of himself now.

If Peter genuinely loved MJ, why was he so eager to sell their marriage to Mephisto instead of consulting Doctor Strange? There is no in-universe explanation that makes sense apart from Peter somehow subconsciously wanting to get rid of their marriage

>>149749147
When you know the real-life explanation, you know there's no point in trying to find a good in-universe explanation.

>>149749104
Well, he’s not Ultimate Peter after all.

>>149749147
It was selling their marriage and daughter to satan to please conservatives who preferred it over divorce or MJ was raped and murdered.

>>149749147
>instead of consulting Doctor Strange
He did and Strange told him “there’s nothin’ I can do, herpaderp.” OMD was a retarded story, championed by retards, to push retarded ideas. There’s nothing coherent there. They must have hired a Polish person to write it.

>>149748962

If they actually put it on the page that Paul was literally satan in disguise the whole time it would almost make it worth it. Almost.

>>149749327
Mephisto: “This is as close as I’ve ever come to being interesting. Tada.”
Peter: “Why pretend at a veganism obsession though?”
Mephisto: “No, that’s me. That’s really just me. I have all sorts of allergies and too much protein causes me to have acid reflux and some pretty lousy heartburn.”

>>149749102
It would quite a twist if it would turn out to be none other then Gwen Stacy yes I can see it now

Gwen; So YOU are the cause of my death and because of you me and Peter never got married and had kids now I will take my revenge on you for that.

In a ironic twist of fate she turns out be his end.

R.I.P. Mephisto

Oh and she since defeats him the timeline then becomes undone and then rewinds backwards all the way to before her death. Since Mephisto no longer exists it turns out everything turned out differently. Norman never made the deal with Mephisto and thus The green goblin never came into existence. And So Gwen never died and thus he did not marry MJ but rather Gwen and of course harry did not die either. Which is exactly the ending I WANT and I intend to get it at ALL costs.

>>149748425

>>149749481
Do you write these as part of a bid to troll, or are you genuinely trying? Because I have to admit, if it’s the former then your post was pretty funny. That level of sheer anticlimax takes effort.

>>149734956
ass
tit

>>149749147
JMS wrote OMD initialy showing why Peter needs to let go of May, that it's her time to go. Life sometimes is like that, and theres nothing you can do. And then Quaseda told him "nah, If it was my aunt, I would sell my soul to the devil". Always wondered what his wife would say about that.

>>149748375
>MJ remembers the deal with Mephisto
It's a character assassination to bring this up not alongside the fake kids.

>>149748916
Some readers may enjoy a little cosmic drama, but the general consensus I've noticed leans toward disappointment or rejection of the Mephisto retcon.

>>149749694
Quesada’s dad recently passed away and he was having a very hard time letting go. Which, well: Quesada’s inability to grow up and move on became Peter’s inability to grow up and move on. He was always the self insert for his writers, it’s just that the vast majority of current comic book writers are hacks who lack the emotional depth and maturity of their forebears.

>>149749387
>Satan has Alpha-gal Syndrome
The power of red meat compels you.

>>149749726
Honestly? I fucking hate Norman Osborn. The man is worse than Hitler. I don’t like the current tendency to say that he dindu nuffin’ and it was all magic and demons and serums and DID. Norman Osborn was always a bad person, the Goblin serum just made him worse. Now? Now he’s Mephisto’s victim, with no moral agency. He’s done all the awful things you hated him for, but now has much less responsibility for them. Norman’s supposed to be someone in the vein of Bullseye, imo. Just a wretched, broken, son a bitch.

>>149749631
No I am quite serious abou this. You see this how it makes sense the ghost/Spirit of Gwen Stacy somehow becomes aware that Mephisto was the cause of her death. So it's her vs him from then and since Mephisto is up against a ghost he losers. You see it turns out she can harm him but he can't harm her which is hardly surprising since you can't kill somebody who is already dead. But as know spirts of the dead can harm the living.

had an idea because of that "sybmiote krakoa" idea that was thrown out there: A symbiote team of the Avengers.
Flexo is the team's Captain America expy, with its body being modified to incorporate Vibranium Alloys so it can replicate Cap's shield.
Carnage is the team's Hulk expy, maybe still bonded to Eddie, maybe it jumped ship to Paul, maybe some other host.
Sleeper bonds with Madame Masque and becomes the Black Widow of the team.
Agent Anti-Venom is the team's Iron-Man (guns)
Dylan Brock, being half human and half symbiote, is able to bond to another human and act as their symbiote. Have him bond with one of the new mutant characters so the team can have a token mutant.

paul chads, she cant live without our dick

>>149749845
Mephisto is a demon and torments disembodied souls on a regular basis.

Then again, I can’t disagree with any take that treats Mephisto like a complete fucking clown.

>>149749934
Yes but when Gwen died her soul went to heaven so let's just say she became aware that Mephisto was the cause of her death while up there. So she descends from there to get his revenge on him see it all makes sense.

>>149750243
>Gwen Stacy: Angel of Vengeance

>>149748380
Oh I agree that it's the writer who wanted to ruin the character. But you see, the thing is, he succeeded. Him and every other dipshit who wanted to take a big shit on MJ and Peter. Their actions are stupid and out of character, but they've become part of canon and they've piled on to such a height that small simple retcons aren't enough. Sins Past, all things considered, was relatively easy to retcon because it was a single event, but we've got two whole decades of post OMD bullshit to clean up.

To be fair, OMD itself managed to sweep away all those years of spider marriage, so in theory you could do the reverse... but in practice, destroying something is much easier than building it. You can handwave the marriage status from prior Peter-MJ interactions, but how do you handwave the NUMEROUS parters each of them had for the last 20 years? Open relationship? No, the only way to get Peter and MJ back together is to start anew without retconning the past... and then we face the fact that their characters have been ruined beyond repair by the writers from the start of the post.

It's a lost battle.

>>149751587
THREAD WAS ON PAGE 10 AND ON THE BRINK OF DEATH RETARD PISS OFF

>>149751587
Why *should* Peter and MJ get back together? Like you said, there's too much baggage and at this point it would be better to pull a Gwen and just let them go their separate ways

>>149751638
PAGE 10 RETARD FUCK OFF.

>>149751695
>bump

No. :)

>>149752049
FUCK OFF

I won't be happy until the OMD cultists at Marvel are publicly executed or fired. Whatever comes first.

>>149752167
Just fuck off

>>149752167
>I won't be happy until the OMD cultists at Marvel are publicly executed or fired. Whatever comes first.
OMD will never get undone now drop the book.

>>149752174
Herman I like the new look overall but go the fuck back to the white eyes.

I want Peter and MJ back together again, married and everything. I am unconcerned about the sins of the past that they have done. Comic book bullshit took their marriage away and comic book bullshit can bring it back, and comic book bullshit can and has erased entire universes, it can erase some relationship drama too

>>149752253
Understandable.
I want MJ tortured mutilated and murdered for ruining Venom books.

>>149751695
>>149752083
>>149752189
Go to sleep Joe Quaseda, you're to old to be here.

>>149752245
You people are true a nuisance you simply don''t know when to quit. Fine have it your way get read for maximum damage.

>>149752286
Drop the book they are better books ones out there.

>>149752117
ahh yes another what if ending yes what if indeed but alas that's all it is a what if story.

>>149752408
Ah, projecting, just because something bad happened to you, and now you think you're the world expert on pain and suffering. Hate those people.

>>149752508
>I have tried to be there for you
She lied, as easly as she breaths.

>>149752210
>>149752331
I'm reading USM. Is what got me back to comic books. I haven't read ASM since OMD so I'm baffled they're still trying to do the whole bachellor thing. Also is that a bot posting ASM pages?

>>149734264
Make Paul super fucking bitter and have a venom sized hate boner for Peter and MJ. He'll try to go after Peter, but MJ should always be the one to cut him down to size. MJ can do way more damage than Peter could ever do.

>>149752536
Enjoy it while for it ends with issue 24.

>>149752572
>Enjoy it while for it
What?

>>149752632
Its getting a relaunch after the event. anon is shitposting.

>>149752648
No it is not.

>>149752648
>anon is shitposting.
Thread will soom reach bump limit no shitpost.

>>149752309
I'm surprised this guy ended up not being a secret supervillain. yet.

you will never be a janny

spider fags seem to have abandoned this thread Oh well life goes on...

>>149752671
Yes it does.

>>149752783
Nor do I wish to be lol.

>>149752795
no it is not you know that,

Since you spider-fags enjoy pain so much..

>>149747263
>Heidi Gardner
We should cuck him, what a comeback that would be

It really is a shame thst poor Ben suffered so much at warren's hand is it not. Still I guess it does not matter really given he is a clone

Of course if warren were to get his hands on the real Peter Parker why just think how much he would suffer.

>>149752648
That's what he meant? He typed too fast for some reason and could quite follow him.

Maybe warren should be the one who get gets to kill Peter it seems somehow fitting really.

Yes death by waren's hand does seems fitting not as the jackal but as himself with his own bare hands,

Miles warren kills Peter Parker such a nice ring to it does it not.

You guys stll here or have you left.

>>149737815
I’m a little confused, why are we talking about Ben Reilly and Peter being in space? Did I miss an issue?

Come spider fags come out and play.

Surely you like games right spider-fags come now.

>>149752881
Damn, she even kinda LOOKS like Cooch? Is there any video of her doing Cooch's voice?

come spider fags we all waiting for you,

>>149753077
>Did I miss an issue?

*sigh* you people are no fun spider fags.

>>149753126
Nope.

One day peter will be back with Gwen while MJ will spend the rest of her life in jail carnage will see to that once he bonds with her.

MJ a serial killer thanks to carnage Oh yes it is coming.

I really do hope you like MJ as a serial killer for that was our endgame for her the whole time hahhaha.

Real reason Spider-man is getting cucked? Luke Cage didn't like Peter Parker being the first love of his wife she never forgot and made deal with Mephisto to ruin Peter's life to save his marriage

Oh poor spider-fags how you suffer.

>>149753249
bullshit.

Oh yes poor harry.

I really like this moment it really makes them feel human and alive. When I first read it I thought this was a retcon or something but I went back and was surprised it was an actual page. The funny thing is that now I don't remember where I read the other version, I thought it was Parallel Lives but Gwen dies off-screen in that one.

>>149753274
Sorry anon, but Jessica Jones thirsting after Peter Parker is canon. If he hadn't been such incel when growing up, he'd have become couple with her back in high school

>>149753316
It hardly matters since peter was meant to be with Gwen not her.

>>149753323
I think not anon.

>>149753316
That's rich considering MJ being irresponsible and cheating on Harry was the reason he succumbed to drugs. If you went full schizo and ignored Osborn's own agencies, you could even blame her for Gwen's death since she indirectly caused Norman's sanity to snap since Harry becoming druggie was the straw that broke camel's back in that regard

Yes soon.

>>149753411
Someday he will be back.

people act like Peter was Penelope and MJ is Ulysses from the way they talk about all this shit

>>149753316
This was the scene that really sealed their relationship for me

>>149753435
Peter was made for Gwen that's how it really is but MJ fans can't stand the truth.

>>149753411
I can't wait until they retcon Paul into being part of Harry's insane revenge plot just like they did with Sins of the Past. Bonus points if it was Harry's twisted way to "protect" his buddy Peter from MJ because Harry never got over the way she used to treat him back when they were a couple

>>149753460
Does not matter.

>>149753493
Not gonna happen retard.

>>149753519
Your tears are delicious shipfag, MJ isn't getting back together with Peter in mainline ASM, best she and you faggots can pray for are spinoff series

>>149737735
I haven't really been following, what the fuck even happened to the kids? I remember they just seemed to fucking vanish from all discussion out of nowhere.

>>149753555
>I remember they just seemed to fucking vanish from all discussion out of nowhere.
trips of truth because they literally just vanish out of nowhere and everyone just shrugs and says they were magic constructs

>>149753544
sad but canon.

>>149753570
So they were basically in the same situation as Scarlet Witch's kids, except no one gave a shit about them after they stopped existing.
That's even dumber than I thought it would be.

>>149753544
Wait till editorial gets the bright idea to somehow retcon MJ into being Mephisto himself to break Peter and Gwen apart despite how little this would make sense to OMD

>>149753316
>>149753460
I think I found it. It was The Sensational Spider-Man #32.
>This was the scene that really sealed their relationship for me
It's a great scene. He was at his lowest point and she chose to stay. So simple yet effective.

>>149752840
Warren didn’t even have the decency to be the entertaining kind of dickbag when he pulled this shit.

>>149753316
I miss when spider comics were good. This page is from decades ago, before 99% of us were born and it still gets posted as an all time important moment and it will keep being posted as an all time moment decades from now too

White women don't like jews, and jews aren't bulls.

>>149753673
She could walk out that door but that flirty party girl decided to step up and become the rock he needed, and it was all done on one page. More character development there than some characters get in entire runs

>>149753589
Did someone wear the babies like handpuppets?

Peter should get his marriage back and Gwen. You do not understand, now he is stuck on pining for Gwen but can't marry her and just stay with the ginger. It is ironic hell.

>>149747263
>dating anyone in SNL
Play stupid games..

>>149753997
>MJ and Paul's kids were just the Orz.

>>149749820
I get what you're saying but none of that erases Norman's moral responsibility. Take alters for example, which are short for altered states of consciousness. Those are parts of the same person. They aren't separate entities or personalities that absolve someone of their actions. Norman, fractured or not, consistently chooses to embrace the worst parts of himself and the DID framing serves to make him more manipulative and opportunistic. He consciously weaponizes his instability at others’ expense and uses it to dodge accountability. The Mephisto deal is built on moral laundering and intellectual cowardice but it's a cold, transactional, and depraved choice that no morally sound person would make. Norman remains reprehensible no matter how a person chooses dissect him.

Self-centered Peter is really funny.

>>149747790
>died a virgin
Isn't Loeb's SM Blue canon?

>>149753673
That reminds me...shouldn't peter have an accent kinda like a Goodfella? Like "Hey guys, whatah we gettin' up ta today?". Everybody in New York in Marvel speaks like "John/Jenna Smith, college educated upper-middle class white person from No-discernable-specific-place, America". The only character I can think of who speaks like they're from New York is The Thing.

>>149755574

https://youtube.com/shorts/CFDofq-1Csg

>>149755991
Sorry. Quoted the wrong post. Reminded me of a Marvel Characters with their appropriate dialects YouTube video.

>>149755627
Yeah, but it's confusing because of Sins Past.

>>149755630
>>149755991
He's got a Queens accent. At least according to Straczynki but I can't find the page.

>>149752508
>>149752527
>Ghosts Peter the minute she gets home
I really hope it was mind control

>>149755574
Ummm that looks like a flaw in his character and that's not heckin cool? How can I root for Peter now that he's a bad person?

>>149734099
Is this legit? Cause, while art is awful these days in general, her face looks weird as if she’s being mind controlled.

I no longer suffer ASM or any of the connected titles so apologies if this is covered earlier in the issue.

>>149745461
Cute but get the name right if you’re going to bait, she’s been Susan Richards for over 4 decades.

>>149749820
I wouldn’t exactly rank Norman below Hitler, but gosh dang, that man is a dumpster fire with flair.

>>149756922
The past decade has been a bad mind control plot (if only)

>>149757156
Would that we were that lucky.

>>149756891
She's not fully grown, he will still make mistakes.

>>149753184
>>149753198
>>149753234
>another MJarnage
There is no reason for Spider Gwen to stay if this happens. Deport that refugee.

>>149756936
>over 4 decades
over *6 decades™

>>149757380
>Spider-Woman from USM cartoon and Em Jay team up to calm down their "big sis"

>>149734264
>>149745461
Actually, they'll age her up a little and Paul will hook up with Valeria

>>149757126
For the record, Norm may be a dumpster fire but he's my dumpster fire and I like him very much lol.

>>149734264
What makes him different than Sam Raimi's Paul? Nothing. Get a random character to kill him off indirectly and move on.

>>149757156
Honestly, that wouldn't make it much better. Arguably worse since it'd mean Paul actually raped MJ.

>>149755574
>HIS ROOMMATE'S FATHER!
straight up schizophrenic

>>149734081 (OP)
>>149734099
We know Maryjane's gonna be dating Flash by this run's end. That's a solid improvement over Paul already.

>>149758863
He literally just made himself a jobber against Venom in a few chapters ago. Just give Toxin to Dylan and leave together for King in Black Antivenom solo comics.

>>149757633
Read the description

>>149759290
>correcting someone means the corrector is the ragebaiter
Nice try but no one falls for that also still not buying your comics Mr. Brevoort.

>>149759453
Huh? No Im a different anon who jumped in, I'm pointing out how NetEase gets MJ and shits on what started this mess

>>149734081 (OP)
In Venom we trust

>>149753323
Peter dodged a bullet there!

>>149753323
You will never fuck Jessica Drew, Bendis.

>>149757380
>there are now two MJs in 616
Man, what a fucking mess.

>>149759554
>I'm pointing out how NetEase gets MJ and shits on what started this mess
Fair but that game has a valentine event that celebrates married characters so MJ should be added into the roster somehow to be paired with Peter. I suggest merging MJ 616 with MJarnage if this matter of MJ going Carnage like the MJ from Spider Gwen's original AU is true then remarry her. When that happens, NetEase can add MJ into the valentine roster to celebrate the marriage between Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson and make a permanent teamup between both of them.