Its about time for another thread to talk and discuss about our 3/5 favorite batty girls!

>>149734854 (OP)
Lol it almost looks like Cassandra's right foot is backwards

>>149734854 (OP)
What's the deal with cass's book?

>>149734895
Huh i can see it.

O guys wfa spoiler!

>>149734854 (OP)
>Carrie
She was never a Batgirl. Why is she here?

>>149734982
She's in the image, idk why, tim levins must have liked to draw her?

>>149734973
For real?
>>149734982
Why not

>>149735066
Nah just a comm in the style, but in the wfa canon they did date.

>>149734961
Its not out for me either, i think amazon fucked up?

>>149735091
Yeah doesn't it come out today?

>>149734854 (OP)
Cass and coldcast is kino

>>149735156
Yeah its supposed to
>>149735170
Good b-ship for cass imo

Vampire cass spread

>>149735203
I like this.

Also WIP

>>149734982
Robin should be a girl

>>149735066
I mean i'm not complaining

Said it in the steph thread, but getting steph in robin fits, and discowing, to match with the one cass set

>>149735528

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>>149735554

>>149735567

>>149735578

Fine, I'll do it myself.

>>149735641
Aw thanks.

>>149735641

>>149735654

>>149735588
>>149735528
Yumm

>>149735667

>>149735684

>>149735698

>>149734854 (OP)
I remember reading Stephanie Brown's batgirl comic and enjoying it a lot. I wonder if her time as spoiler was good

>>149735716

>>149735729

>>149735747

>>149735760

>>149735778

>>149735792
I can fix her.

>>149734854 (OP)
Bruce is/was Barbara's best love interest.

>>149735821
Nah hard disagree lol.

>>149734854 (OP)
Do you think DC has, in the long term, benefitted more from turning Barbara back into Batgirl than they would have benefitted from keeping her as Oracle?

>>149736001
Absolutely not.

>>149734973
I probably would've believed this more if you hadn't used your username.

>>149736090
Its not meant to be believed! lol.

New set's starting :)

Nudists

>>149735641
Thanks
>>149736001
Long term no. Short term maybe.

>>149736231
Kino

>>149736001
Fuck no, the short term bump faded fast and for a high cost. They damaged their brand by showing the truth of all the talk about "nothing matters and editorial's ideas will always happen even if writers line up to say they're bad ideas." They turned Birds of Prey from a specific small trio of likable characters that worked well together into just "the team of interchangeable girls."

>>149736001
Honestly, I think they probably shouldn't have crippled her at all to begin with, but it was also kind of impossible to go back, so no.

>>149736431
Most of what they did with babs they could have done with steph, especially burnside.

>>149736482
Bronze Age Babs was an awful character memorialized because she worked okayish in the HIGH camp of the Adam West show. In Bronze Age books of the time she absolutely floundered. "Commissioner Gordon just-so-happens to have a genius super-crime-fighter daughter who models herself after Batman" fit the attempted realism of that era's comics about as well as a midget's glove would fit Andre the giant. "Even Batgirl can end up crippled" was actually a perfect way to add a grounded element to the books that was very much in keeping with what O'Neil was trying to do as editor.

>>149736001

Barbara as Batgirl is a dead-end. Only thing she brings to the table is that she's a woman of some kind. They ALL have that.

>>149736768
Yeah agreed

>>149736001
To me it seems like it would only appeal to the nostalgia of people who remember her as Batgirl, while ignoring how she’s been the crippled Oracle for so many years a lot of fans probably know her better that way.
Personally I think she would be more beneficial to the team as their “guy in the chair” as Oracle then just another vigilante swinging around Gotham.

>>149737062
They probably could have done more set in the past stuff ngl. Or out of universe books.

>>149735811
Thanks for the dump.

I still don't think he's Cass's brother.

>>149738102
Yeah I think he's her cousin.

>>149735792

About that last panel. If the flower ninjas had been more explicitly magical like in that panel from the very start, I think the idea that they can fight and beat Cass would have been much easier to sell.

>>149735495
I do like girl Robin

>>149735716
Cass would be a lot more intriguing if they committed to the silent/mute angle
>>149736001
Yes. If I said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the team should be condensed down to just Bruce, Dick, Barbara, and Alfred.

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>>149739467
Holy retro batman.

>>149739214
Who doesnt

>>149740089
DC

>>149734854 (OP)

>>149734982
she looks ridiculous
>>149740089
me

>>149741823
pls, anyone but the most boring character Duke

>the best Batgirl isn't canon

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>>149739506
fuck that a sexo Stepahnie.

Glad that Bette recently re-appeared - even if it's just a flashback

>>149735203
dc vs vampires was slop but it could have been a little bit more fun if Cass got to do anything

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>>149739467
>>149739506
Sexo

>>149742392
I think all of these are good, but it makes sense the og fit would get that reaction

>>149742542
imagine if we got an Arkham Knight sequel where Cass takes up the mantle instead of Damian or Terry

>>149742798
Cass mods are quite fun.
>>149742528
Evil vampire lady cass, or anti-hero vampire cass hmm.

>>149742411
Why do you like her?

>>149742846
>Cass mods are quite fun.
got any links?

>>149742889
>Gets thrown under the bus constantly
>Still manages to keep holding on, and be cheerful

Core reasons, plus her time with Beast Boy was great, along with her latest appearance in trying to get the Titans West back together.

>>149742894
Skin pack has 4 https://www.nexusmods.com/batmanarkhamknight/mods/1549

>>149742972
https://www.nexusmods.com/batmanarkhamknight/mods/2405
This one is the modern one but looks good.

>>149742846
She would have made a better fit for the one good vamp than Damian i'll just say that

>>149742989
Yeah probably.

Going to sleep earlier, if the thread is still up, you guys got any comm suggestions/requests for august?

>>149736108
Looks good

>>149742972
>>149742983
Kino

>>149742411
I guess someone does care.

>>149743011
Wet T-shirt contest between Cass, Steph, Babs and Bette.

>>149735811
No

>>149745625
Its waid, he likes the silver age.

>>149745659
I feel that might be similar to the last one? But maybe!

>>149743011
A flustered and angry Cass getting styled on in tennis by Bette. Both are wearing remarkably short tennis skirts.

>>149743011
(One of the Mapsfags so you can already stop reading here if you want)


Got one, if you’re interested. Cass, Mia and Steph dressed like Kris, Ralsei and Susie from Deltarune respectively…

I was inspired by playing the game recently, and Maps dressed like https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi465T2d8LdQj2WZ-ZsMtNC_XUCl452BQr3p5FCr8bKtbrkAZFLeibraEFvV8Yu2wiGy3oje-73l1KZPIv6W6FdlMwOZzAlUa_rY4k0cIxAiu5bfOJz1_JGSDh1Bs-6MaPyPejURxmxGlA/s1600/Gotham+Academy+%252310+%25282015%2529+-+Page+6.jpg
Which reminds me of Ralsei.

Though if you’re not interested with Mia being there you could always switch her up with Babs (the order could be Babs = Kris, Cass = Susie and Steph = Ralsei… and now that I’m typing this I kind of realize the setup could work well with just the characters of Gotham Academy. Olive could be either Kris or Noelle, Mia as Ralsei, Pommeline as Susie… if Olive goes as Noelle, Kyle could be Kris too.

>>149747212
Erm, ackchyually, that's from pic related.

>>149748891
Ohhh this is fun.
>>149749431
Ive never played delatrune. I like maps as cass's robin mind you, for my "head" setting she's cass's first robin, carrie is her second.

>>149750596
Wait really? I thought it was waid, lol.

>>149750603
Waid did acknowledge Bette in the New History of the DCU, but she was also in the recent Titans Annual that recapped Donna's history, she was one of the Titans mentioned and later showed up with the other girls.

>>149743823
Any other Burnside babs with big tits

>>149742951
So the meta?

>>149750558
Would sniff cass's armpit

>>149736001
No, but I kinda don't care, even if I know deep down she works better as Oracle, I still kinda like having Babsgirl around.

>>149750597
>Ive never played delatrune.
I recommend it. I’m not a fan of bullet hell but I still got lots of fun. Plus I listen to the music while working.

>I like maps as cass's robin mind you, for my "head" setting she's cass's first robin, carrie is her second.
I like it. What happens to Mia when Cass took Carrie in your setting? Did she took the identity of Meridian?

>>149734854 (OP)

>>149750558
Would be weird considering DCSHG Babs and comic book Stephanie have very similar personalities

>>149751319
Its some sort of spin off undertale? Ive also not played it, yet i know OF it.

Well the present stuff is split (tho this doesnt affect maps as robin much), and post robin yeah maps takes the name meridiam, and is in a relationship with damian. Further future they're married.

>>149734854 (OP)
Judge Anderson

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>>149751816
>Its some sort of spin off undertale? Ive also not played it, yet i know OF it.
Pretty much. Though it’s not a follow up, even if it reuses characters. It is meta to some degree, like it expects that you’ve already played Undertale (like meeting a fan favourite beloved character: you tell them that you’re happy to see them again, and they respond by pointing out that it’s the first time you’ve met them).

I like your future timeline. Who knows, perhaps some day it might come true.

I really like my suggestion the more I think about it. I’m tempted to request it in the drawthread, but I feel like it’ll never get picked up.

>>149752614
Am confused too

>>149739269
>the team should be condensed down to just Bruce, Dick, Barbara, and Alfred.
Disagree, I think there are interesting stories to be told with the other robins and such. And as for Babs and Dick, I really feel like the fact that they’ve both immersed themselves into the espionage world should be more important, especially with other robins and batgirls waiting in the wings for more straightforward super hero stuff. DC could easily do a True Lies-esque book with both of them doing spycraft together if they want to keep the ship going. They should take over Spyral and turn it into the IMF.

>>149750596
Jesus do I hate the shorts on Vic here.

>>149736001
Dropped into the thread for some fanart and wanted to talk about this. Honestly I think it was one of the dumbest things the big two ever did. Gail Simone was on record saying it would be really really dumb to do, and she ended up writing the shitty stuff that brought Babs-Girl back even though she didn't want DC to do it. It really drove home to me just how hollow the industry can be when it comes to stuff that isn't creator owned. There can be writers lining up around the block saying something is a bad idea, but if the number crunchers say "it'll give us sales" it'll happen anyway. I dropped Marvel/DC and went full indie not long after DC undid Oracle. It's sure as hell not the only reason, but it definitely was one of the things that made me realize that if I wanted to keep this hobby and keep my blood pressure down I needed to stick to stuff where the writers have control.

>>149739269
>Yes. If I said it once, I've said it a thousand times, the team should be condensed down to just Bruce, Dick, Barbara, and Alfred.
Okay but (1) that didn't happen, so your reasoning is unsound, and (2) if you want to condense the family, why the fuck do you put Barbara up there alongside Dick and Alfred? She came nearly three decades later, and Commissioner Gordon's daughter being a member of the Batfamily is one of the most contrived things in comics, up there with Peter Parker's parents (and long-lost sister) being SHIELD agents.
I can understand most purists even if I disagree with them, but "The core Batfamily of Bruce, Dick, Alfred... and Barbara" purists confuddle me.

>>149734854 (OP)
Now what's the fuck has been going on with the batgirls?

>>149754611
>The core Batfamily of Bruce, Dick, Alfred... and Barbara" purists confuddle me.
I 100% feel like it’s people who got into Batman from the BTAS show.

>>149754647
Bette was acknowledged in a couple recap books
Babs is Oracle almost exclusively
Cass still has her ongoing book
Steph is in limbo

>>149754773
I suspect so, and she wasn't even in most of the show. And the part she WAS in included her dating Bruce, which... oof.

>>149754843
>Babs is Oracle almost exclusively
"Oracle." If she's not stuck in the chair, it's "Oracle" not Oracle. Just doesn't hit the same way if she's theoretically able to get off her ass and run to someone's rescue instead of freaking out in her tower, reaching for her rolodex when things go wrong.

>>149751816
I am curious about your future world

>>149754843
Neat

>>149754773
>BTAS
or '66.

>>149756779
Cute!

>>149754843
Steph just showed up in this month’s Wonder Woman issue talking to Diana

>>149757311
Sick

>>149754962
>rolodex
Dawg c'mon, is she living in the 90s?

>>149736001
Unironically yes and everyone who is saying otherwise is delusional.
>Sure "Oracle" has literally done fuck all since the SIX years they put her back in the chair
>and The Birds of Prey doesn't even include
>and we effectively got rid of the Batgirls
>but hey, we can still pretend The Killing Joke had lasting effects on canon!
>wow! Such great storytelling!!

>>149737062
Bad news bud but you're the one stuck in nostalgia.
ONE OF YOU FUCKERS MENTIONED A ROLODEX.
A ROLODEX!!!

>>149758322
She isn't in a chair tho. And how did she benefit during the 10 years she was just batgirl? That's the question lol.

>>149758338
Cause an internet info broker is actually really dated and not more relevant

>>149758841
>And how did she benefit during the 10 years she was just batgirl?
She had a title and was leading her own fucking stories but no you're right, being solely defined as Nightwing's girlfriend is such a better path.

>>149753194
I see, just dont play the game so idk about a comm with it.

I hope so.
>>149754962
Yeah this, she's not really oracle lol. She's "oracle"
>>149758889
I mean, did any of those stories actually help her as a character? She had a lead book as oracle too, the question is in relation to it lol. If she already had that before, its not really a benefit.
>>149758322
Babs is still batgirl sometimes, it is the worst of both worlds.

And, the "pretending killing joke is canon"...was also a thing with the new 52 thing, especially limp then lol.

Also come on, new 52 babs was also mostly known as dick's girlfriend, even when she wasnt dating him.

>>149755086
>Cass is the bat, civvie id she is a professional ballet dancer
>Kon is superman, cass and kon are married, he takes vacation photos
>Tim is oracle , runs wayne stuff
>Steph is nightwing runs the wane charity stuff
>Harper is catwoman
>Damian is flamebird/leading a restructured loa, and dating maps
>carrie is current robin
>Dick, babs are happily retired
>No clue on jason
>jvp is a priest
>duke is in a meta-team
>bruce is an old man with an exoslekton

>>149758889
As >>149758991 said. She already had that attention. The point is benefit compared to before lol.

>>149742983
>>149742972
>Entirely cosmetic mods that add no new abilities

Pass.

>>149759263
There arent other kinds for ak.

Steph dr midnite!

OYL Steph

>>149734854 (OP)
Best costume for each?

>>149759538
Babs: Batgirl wise idk, probably the blue cowl/cape one? But the real answer is open shirt/jimenez's shirt.
Cass is her batgirl one, no colored eyes
Steph, idk id probs say her classic spoiler outfit without the underoos
Flamebird probably her late 90s one.

>>149758991
>new 52 babs was also mostly known as dick's girlfriend
Nah fuck this son, she literally was more of a mainstay in Tom Taylor Nightwing than in Batgirls.

>>149759744
She was known for taking selfies bro. Come on. She wasn't a mainstay at all

>>149759744
The point was about the new 52 babs. You keep dodging it. You can think what you want.

>>149758991
>>149759106
Batgirl of Burnside but a better question is what good Oracle stories do you actually remember from Bird of Prey?
NOT THE VIBE but a specific story relating to Oracle.

>>149759762
>she was taking the selfies
that fucking whore!? Also was she actually doing nothing but taking selfies in the comics or was it cover of the comic?

>>149759804
I wouldn't say Batgirl of Burnside was good for babs...at all. The opposite really.

Oracle year one was kino. The hunt for oracle too. The story where she hacked batman. The whole Ted stuff was fun. Calculators rivalry with her is great. And her first and second team ups with Dinah are by far the best.

>>149759771
Blame your precious Gail Simone who literally had everyone thinking she was intentionally eriting shitty Batgirl stories as a protest 4-D chess move to force DC to let her turn back into Oracle...that is she was fucking booted off then all of a sudden she was orchestrating a fan campaign to keep her on as the writer of Nu52 Batgirl.

>>149759828
Cover but its the most impact Burnside had. And that two cartoons and the unmade movie used its costume.

>>149759859
What are you even saying? Simones Batgirl was ass. But so was Cameron's. And the last writers. Babs as Batgirl post n52 was a continous stream of ass.

>>149759852
>I wouldn't say Batgirl of Burnside was good for babs...at all. The opposite really
You would say that because you're a chump. Like please go ahead and bitch about how immature it is for a woman in her mid-twenties cannot invite people to her apartment or go to an art gallery.

>>149759891
A woman her age acting like a college slut is immature yes. But burden on proof is on you. How did any of that help babs at all?

>>149759891
Isn't the writer of Burnside a sex offender?

>>149759866
>cover
Because you're shallow like that right? Great principled stand to take against selfies, it certainly made a difference right?

>>149759913
Bro there were so many of these. All not fitting the characters because girls gotta be quirky lol.

And come on Burnside was such a snore that didn't help babs in any way. Say how it did.

>>149751895
What

>>149735811
So tenji isn't actually Cass s brother right?

>>149759927
>provide her own space
>gave her own rogues gallery
>gave her independence from Nightwing and Batman

>>149739506
Bazongas
>>149759314
I still don't like this costume

>>149759880
Batgirl of Burnside was better than Birds of Prey. You only like Birds of Prey because of Ed Benes.

>>149759953
>in Gotham. Where batman lives
>not a single memorable one. Not that she had many as Oracle but she had the one
>that's not true either given how often bat events overtook it...and how her bloody dad was batman during it lol

>>149759927
Barbara is meant to be quirky, like why the fuck wouldn't she be off-kilter?

>>149759966
I like birds of prey because it has an actual character. And characters interacting. A good fundamental dynamic. And babs Is written as smart. Rather than the one needing tech support lmao.

I like the Dixon run more than simone. Helena was super unnecessary

>>149759982
She really isn't? Her defining traits is being intelligent. And resilient. She isn't wacky. Even silver age babs she was a librarian lol.

>>149759973
>In Gotham
It's a major american city, most neighborhoods are in fact just smallers cities.
But more importantly, Bruce Wayne never actually showed up to impose on Barbara.
>she had the one
Can you actually name them?
>>that's not true either given how often bat events overtook it
That's not true either.

>>149759996
>she was a librarian
You just activated my trap card because Babs is explicitly a freaky librarian who wants to turns heads.

>>149760027
Not a straightlaced librarian. Guys believe it or not I don't like oracle because she's Babs traumatized. All that no-nonsense bullshit is just the death of her spirit because Batgirl was too kooky and had to be taken down a peg.

>>149760005
It's batman city dude. It's not a different place. And come on her dad showed up as batman. It's the same shit.

Calculator and Lady spellbinder. Calculator was cool. Lady spellbinder was lame.
>>149760027 >>149760038
Yes to make a sexy costume. Making a super conservative "practical " cosplay suit goes against that too.

And babs still was plenty gun as Oracle. Judt you not not written as a ditzy 19 year old. But a smart woman with a sense of humor

And no. No one got that you don't like oracle

>>149760027
So generic silver age chick lol. Truly a shame she got given an actual personality. Instead of just being "girl"

>>149759966
>Batgirl of Burnside was better than Birds of Prey

Unless you're talking about the very worst issues of BoP, no. No it is not. "Batgirl of Reddit" was an absolute insult of a comic. Fucking trash.

>>149760091
>it's not a different place
It straightup is though, it's designed to be anti-Gotham.

>>149760146
It was very 2010s tumblr more than reddit

>>149760133
>actual personality
90s snarky girl, now that's what I call a personality!

>>149760162
Burnside is part of Gotham. Gotham had been lighrarted too lol.

>>149760176
I wouldn't say 90s snarky. But okay. So what you're saying is that all her personalities are generic? Okay then. I'll take the one who is smart at least.

>>149760184
But you understand how it's different tho from the rest of Gotham right? Like how it's literally designed to be different from the rest of Gotham?

>>149760192
>So what you're saying is that all her personalities are generic?
I didn't but you did when you accused the silver age Batgirl of having a geneic silver age personality. I'm pretty sure you know what the fuck you mean by that and was just saying shit without any bases.

>>149759538
>best costumes for each?

Cassgirl: Alex Maleev's classic jet black costume, complete with bat symbol that follows the contour of her breasts. Lots of artists fuck up that detail, just literally make it follow the curve of her tits and it's perfect. I prefer small, colored lenses for eyes.

Babsgirl: I actually quite liked the one she wore in Heroes in Crisis. One of the few good parts of that terrible comic.

Stephgirl: I think Steph belongs in the Spoiler identity, and her current Spoiler costume with the ninja mask is quite decent. I'd go with that one.

Carrie Kelly for some reason: Whatever. Put her in a bikini or something, I don't care.

Nudist

>>149760162
Is it in gotham?

>>149760336
Based

>>149751895
>>149752614
>>149754271
Judge Anderson and Batman have worked together a couple of times and had sex.

>>149761928
Really?

>>149760336
Really stephs current? And that babs one?

>>149734854 (OP)
Erase the shit in the The top right and we can talk

>>149761586
Do you think Manhattan and Brooklyn are the same place?

>>149761938
Yes, really.

>>149760219
>>149762070
Daredevil is in hells kitchen it's still part of Gotham. Spiderman is down the street come on.

>>149762179
New York not Gotham kek

>>149761928
Doesn't make her a batgirl

>>149762179
But you recognized how there's two different spaces in one city.

>>149762385
It's still the same overall setting. I wouldn't count it as "disconnected ' cause it isn't.

Bludhaven at least is a train city away these are both a couple of blocks within a city.

>>149762445
>It's still the same overall setting
you cannot say the same thing about Burnside though. as a fictional city Gotham has the monoculture of being a dark and gloomy place while Burnside is the opposite of what Gotham is.

>>149762121
>just let me use my Bat-Phone

>>149762497
Yes. It's inside Gotham it's part of the city dude. It's part of the same city as crime alley. Is barbara not going to save someone from a mugging cause it's a street across?

>>149734895
How?

>>149763160
But you understand how two neighborhoods can be distinct from each other right? You clearly understand that Daredevil has its setting and people wouldn't want him to move over to Queens so Spider-Man can always show up. Same goes for Batgirl of Burnside in that was her own setting to cultivate.

>>149763298
It's just not a separate setting. It's the same city. And that's reflected in the fact that batman naturally ALSO patrols Burnside. Cause he and the other bats look over all of Gotham.

It's a Sub setting. Spiderman is also not limited to just queens, if anything he's mostly in manhattan

>>149760175
Yeah honestly.

Maybe she'll get a new costume soon