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"I Will Survive" is for the pro-life movement what "Uncle Tom's Cabin" was for the anti-slavery movement. It is instantly memorable and memeable because it uses characters from a children's movie to talk about a serious subject, which is funny and makes people share it with their friends because it's funny. But underneath that humor is a serious pro-life message: Abortion is wrong. Abortion is killing a baby. Women who get abortions are selfish and evil. And best of all, it reaches the demographic that pro-lifers are most desperate to reach: Young people. It is unironically the most effective piece of pro-life propaganda ever produced.

>>149739005 (OP)
Did you read any of the sequel comics

>>149739067
No, and it's not necessary. The first comic is all you need.

Why is she like this?

>>149739413
ugly baby

Does anyone other than retarded christcucks oppose abortion?

>>149740057
I was a atheist teen and still disliked abortion.
I saw it for what it was. Whores not taking responsibilities

>>149739005 (OP)
What about "Born to Be Alive"?

>>149740087
Yet you still fail to see it for what it also is, eugenics. Less unwanted trash raised by lazy selfish trash parents.

We should have a modest financial incentive for abortions, vasectomies, and tubal ligation. If someone is willing to sterilize themselves for a couple bucks then we'd all be better off paying for that instead of their welfare and their offspring's' incarceration.

>>149740087
So you'll be adopting rather than trying to promulgate your own worthless genes, right? Since you care so much about the children, right?

>>149740057
yes

>>149740173
>Yet you still fail to see it for what it also is, eugenics
Eugenics is a Nazi meme.
Nurture > Genetics.
You want more productive people? Return to the days of serfdom and slavery where people weren't free to do whatever retarded shit they are doing now

>>149740176
Honestly, I was thinking Arby's

>>149739005 (OP)
>Abortion is wrong. Abortion is killing a baby.
true

>>149740176
The state has to be accommodate and adjust laws for it's citizens. The modern state expects it's citizens to adjust for the new laws they make up

>>149740199
>Nurture > Genetics.
And guess how good the people getting abortions would be at nurture

We need to go back to forcibly sterilizing undesirables like criminals, retards, the homeless, and the entire nation of India.

>>149740057
I was atheist/agnostic til last year, always hated abortion.

>>149740246
Just admit you want to sacrifice babies to Mallock and that's why you don't like pro-life

>>149739005 (OP)
wrong, but it is the most effective Arby's commercial ever made

>>149740057
No. It was originally a political issue only Catholics cared about.

>>149740176
These dudes never care about the baby nor the women, they just want the woman to suffer and are totally fine if that means her having no support and raising the baby to have no future with no help because they shut down all the schools. It's pure sadism.

>>149740173
>aborting native born children while importing immigrants to work in our fields because of the labor shortage due to the plummeting birth rate
Bravo

>>149740453
>they just want the woman to suffer
Exactly. Women need to FAFO just like men.
In this case FAFO can be taken literally
Fuck your pretty privilege, become a slave like the rest of us

>>149740453
>>149740476
They can put those orphans on a plantation too

>>149740453
Men don't get a get out of jail free card when they conceive a child. Why should women?

>>149740520
But that is distracting from the central point, which is that the baby is a human being with human rights, regardless of who wants it or doesn't want it.

>>149740476
>labor shortage

This isn't a real thing. It's just what wall street jews say because they want labor to be as cheap as possible

>>149739005 (OP)
Did Borba ever draw Judy with a big pregnant belly?

>>149739216
>Are you sure about that

>>149739005 (OP)
>But the guy still an asshole for calling you out and it ok to assault your husband/Boyfriend and now shes a hero, because the story now stages it that way!
>....yeeeeeeeeyyyyy.........

Zootopia breed more autismo

>>149740087
this

>>149740087
>>149742380
Do you retards think that irresponsible whores are capable of raising a child that won't end up a fucked up drain on society?

>>149742931
No I think that those hoes should close their legs and stop being retarded

>>149742946
Criminalizing abortion won't make that happen.

>>149742967
Your right, but the return to pre-modern society will. This is a fight against evil

>>149739005 (OP)
>don't support abortion of unwanted babies raised by fucked up irresponsible whores, absent or abusive fathers or bounced around the pedo-infested foster care system
>babies turn out dysfunctional
>support death penalty for dysfunctional worthless tweaker criminal bums
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

>>149739005 (OP)
Its shit like this that makes me want a vasectomy, but it has a chance of causing ED so I can't go through with it.
>>149740057
>>149740087
I'm an atheist. There is no secular reason to oppose it. My only issue with it is that they use men's tax dollars to help fund it, which offends me because I don't want to have my money taken from me to pay for the clean up cost of women having sex with men that aren't me.
>>149740520
We should get one. This is bullshit. I need sex. I also need to avoid being a financial slave because a woman got pregnant. Once upon a time you could just walk away from a pregnant woman and no one could do anything about it. This shit makes me want to hire prostitutes. No prostitute will ever come after you for child support.

>>149743066
>Once upon a time you could just walk away from a pregnant woman and no one could do anything about it.
How do you say stuff like this unironically and not realize you are the degenerate whore in this equation

>>149743091
I'm at peace with my lust. You can't stop me. No one can.

>>149743066
>There is no secular reason to oppose it
There sure is! It's a repulsive. You don't have to even believe in God in particular to be repulsed by the behavior. The only "secular" perspective that is pro abortion are the ones who are sexually promiscuous

>>149743105
>Casts Stone
>Chop off dick
There is your Reality check little bro

>>149743136
I think its repulsive if the kid could come out the womb and live. If its still the size of a peanut I don't give a fuck. Sorry not sorry.
>>149743184
Hey if you wanna try to attack me and cut my dick off its your funeral man. Don't make this the hill you die on.

>>149740057
1. I'm firmly anti-murder
2. I'm against women having rights

>>149743220
But men do the most murdering
>inb4 it's niggers so it doesn't count

>>149743202
You are just a murderous freak. Accept that
>Don't make this the hill you die on.
https://youtu.be/Uy5E_cmeVVE?feature=shared

>>149742990
strawman

>>149740057
Most people who are pro-abortion don't know jack shit about human gestation or reproductive health and have know right discussing the topic.

>>149743237
We're in the lead, we can't let those whores catch up with us.

>>149743250
How?

>>149743246
>You are just a murderous freak. Accept that
Says the cunt who is threatening to try to kill me and/or cut my dick off. Fuck you. And if you wanna banzai charge me I'll turn you into swiss cheese like those cops did to that one guy. You wanna die over this faggot?

>>149743270
In a just world freaks like you would be stoned like a dog, your kind has no right to exist in this world.

>>149739005 (OP)
no one even knows what you're talking about

>>149743246
>>149743270
>>149743286
Still summer, huh

>>149743270
Noahide Laws mother fucker

>>149743286
In a just world your mother and other female relatives would get on their knees and suck me off while you are forced to watch, bitch. Then I make you watch an abortion happen in real life (I caused the pregnancy)
>>149743302
Cope christcuck. Jesus was a faggot who nailed to a cross and then went back to the void he came from. His "dad" isn't real either.

>>149743315
The rope is getting tighter for you anon

I wouldn't mind abortion being illegal if men gave a single crap about helping the babies instead of washing their hands of everything once they know the baby's going to make it out of the womb in one piece. It feels like only women can truly be pro-life because the women actually care about the babies and mothers and push for better resources, whereas men think that's socialism or whatever.

>>149743327
https://youtu.be/22ZdKVTDyVA

>>149743343
>whereas men think that's socialism or whatever
It does take a whole village to raise a child.
There is usually a massive cognitive dissonance for pro-life men in that they are usually against welfare as well.

>>149743343
>care about the babies and mothers and push for better resources
Abortion leads to none of that though. It doesn't even lead to safe sex. That argument boils down to
>Men don't want to take responsibility, so I won't take responsibility. Let's all be irresponsible together and take the easy way out instead of fixing problems

>>149743361
https://youtu.be/z8iCHXIkghU?feature=shared

>>149743391
The point is the women against abortion do want to fix the problems that lead to abortions happening. Although you can't really have a nuanced conversation about the reasons because guys saw some Onlyfans feminist psychopaths on twitter bragging about killing babies so therefore every single woman who ever gets an abortion is a far left serial whore using abortion as contraception.

>>149743383
No one can make me help with that collective raising bullshit. No one can make me get married and have kids either.
>>149743391
If abortion gets banned in all 50 states then the only women I will have sex with will be prostitutes. I will NOT be a slave for 18 years.

>>149743435
>The point is the women against abortion do want to fix the problems that lead to abortions happening.
That's dubious though. If abortion was illegal people would be forced to look at the Foster System and Single moms. Abortion only decreases the amount of kids in those situations, but that's not progress.
>guys saw some Onlyfans feminist psychopaths on twitter bragging about killing babies so therefore every single woman who ever gets an abortion is a far left serial whore using abortion as contraception.
I think the only reason this is so prevalent is because Abortion is such a moralfag thing. And it's hard to look at that behavior and think about womemes rights or whatever the fuck moral reason to have abortions is.

>>149743526
>I will NOT be a slave for 18 years.
You will pay the child support for every broad you've defiled and you will enjoy it
Otherwise, enjoy getting SWAT'ed

>>149743566
Lolno. No bitch has ever come after me for child support. If I have to I can leave the country. Blow me.

>>149743594
This is why One World Government is a thing

>>149743603
>mind broken anti abortion christcucks want a one world government
Wow. Well hey, that's how people start hanging. Would you like to be one of them?

>>149743635
It's already happening and you don't realize it. The fools like you won't realize when it's coming

>>149743642
I'll never submit to christianity. I'll watch churches burn and christians being gunned down before I ever kneel.

>>149743656
>I'll watch churches burn and christians being gunned down before I ever kneel
That is exactly what is going to happen in the one world government.
Then again with all this tough talk you'll be one of the first to submit to them

>>149743642
Well I wouldn't target christians specifically, every religion on earth can get the purge treatment. I propose we just avoid a one world government all together. No religion gets annihilated yet they also have 0 power to MAKE anyone do anything. Either that or its war I guess. I'll never surrender. No one can make me believe what they believe. No one is gonna take my freedom.

>>149743343
You do realize this only happens because the government essentially subsidizes dead beat dads by taking over for them.

>>149743383
>It takes a village
No it takes a family and one committed parent is worrh more than all the fucking welfare in the world. Throwing money at a problem doesn't just fix it.

>>149743691
Then you might kill a one or two of them, but the rest will overwhelm you.
If you don't you'll go into a life of hiding and join the rest of the street thugs and rebels living off the scraps.
Just like how they convinced everyone to take the jab, they'll accept the one world government, and men like you will be seen as extremists.
Shunned by society.
You aren't dealing with the common criminal organization.
You are dealing with something that has been in the making over centuries.

>>149743541
>I think the only reason this is so prevalent is because Abortion is such a moralfag thing. And it's hard to look at that behavior and think about womemes rights or whatever the fuck moral reason to have abortions is.
I think it's a women's rights thing because pregnancy is tough on your body and people want the choice whether to put their body through it. Even in this day and age with the medical technology we have, you can still die from it or get permanent health problems. I don't agree with abortions and personally I think pregnancy is a beautiful thing, but I do kinda think if men could get pregnant, abortion clinics would be as common as Starbucks as it's a very intense thing to be forced into.

When I say "forced" I know unwanted pregnancy is often caused by irresponsibility, but it takes 2 to tango. It's very weird how often the narrative is that women dodge accountability when all I ever read is people blaming women for everything and men are treated like dogs who don't know any better and require tardwrangling.

>>149743740
>I think it's a women's rights thing because pregnancy is tough on your body and people want the choice whether to put their body through it
They have that choice dumbass, if you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex
>buh buh people need sex
You can survive without sex.
If you want to have sex than bear the responsibility that comes with it. I fucking do and so can every other whore.

>>149740173
What do you think the transsexual movement is? Mass sterilization of the mentally unwell, the easily influenced, of (some) sexual deviants, and of the kind of wolves who want to hide amongst them for clout. And they all willingly ask for the sterilisation.

...Cartoons?

>>149743740
>When I say "forced" I know unwanted pregnancy is often caused by irresponsibility, but it takes 2 to tango
I think me and others would be much more lenient on abortion if irresponsibility wasn't the vast majority of it. I can agree that it isn't fair how much responsibility is placed on the women. But this problem is entirely avoidable by a change in behavior. Not even by being less promiscuous, just being less of a fucking retard. For both genders. If you don't want a baby, then try not having instead of waiting to the last fucking second to kill it off. To me it's a get out of jail free card in order to avoid responsibility of all the terrible fucking systems we have in place when it comes to children

>>149743764
Am that anon and I'm completely on your side, I'm a virgin. In a perfect world, people would be more responsible about sex and treat it with more weight and consideration. But it's as realistic to expect them to do the right thing as it is to expect teens to wait until they're 18 to have sex since that's the right thing. Realistically I think it's something you can only mitigate.

>>149743764
I don't want to live without sex. Someone create male birth control pills, perfect vasectomies so there is 0 chance of ED, and also give me my sex robots. We also need cheap legal prostitution again.

>>149743848
Condoms?

>>149743858
A retard has more value than your cat and you wouldn't kill your pet

>>149743764
>>buh buh people need sex
>You can survive without sex.
But... incels

>>149743857
Not good enough. Unacceptable.

>>149743876
>A retard has more value than your cat
spoken as someone who has never had to actually deal with mentally defective people. a pet is superfluous but retards are a massive detriment.

>>149743891
incels just have the social stigma of being rejected by women and see women giving it up for more attractive men thus are angry because they feel inadequate.
its not the same.

>>149743876
>A retard has more value than your cat

>>149743876
retards have negative value

aborting and euthanizing retards should be mandatory

>>149743923
>>149743942
>>149743918
You fellas need to be nicer to yourselves.
I get this is 4chan and all and we all feel suicidal or on the verge of a meltdown
But I need you anons to stay positive

>>149739005 (OP)
This is true.

>>149740057
>t. godless pro-murder sodomite

>>149739005 (OP)
If rabbits punch things indicating they want to breed.

>>149740057
Approx 20% of secular ppl in the U.S.


They even have their own non-profit political org


https://secularprolife.org/welcome/

>>149743831
This is a retarded viewpoint. If you don't expect better from people then they're just going to continue acting like retards. You don't just let your kid keep shitting their pants because they don't know better.

One of the worst forced memes on this shitty board.

>>149739005 (OP)
>use zootopia characters
>make it about being pro-abortion
Why are all furfags cringe-worthy leftists?

>>149746008
Furries can't meme

>149743066
I always laugh whenever I hear an atheist say he doesn't need religion to be a good person because he always goes on to defend abortion, euthanasia, eugenics, mass murder, genocide, child porn, bestiality, incest, they're always anti-family, they never want children, they want humans to go extinct
Like apparently you do need religion to be a good person

>>149743918
My brother in law is autistic. He is 30 and lives with his parents, but he has a part time job at a hospital, and he drives himself. He is a better worker and a better driver and a better person than most people. He goes to work on time, does his job without complaint and does it well, obeys traffic laws, doesn't commit crimes, and contributes to society. Retards are based.

>>149746705
>they want humans to go extinct
I still want humans to go extinct. At least in this version

>>149746883
Pretty sure God pretty much does that near the end, and basically resets the world

>>149739005 (OP)
I don't think this is true because few people actually make the effort to read the source material, it's just shared in the form of a few context-free panels or pages that make anti-abortion people appear deeply autistic and deranged for projecting a melodramatic sexual narrative onto cuddly disney characters.

Abortion will exist as long as sapient life and civilisation exist. If you banned abortion and deleted all knowledge of it from mankind, it would be reinvented independently from first principles and practised in secret until it was ultimately made legal again. Conscious life will never, ever roll over and accept the biological slavery of the unwanted pregnancy, it hasn't in thousands of years and it's not about to start. It's a fact that we will always choose our lives that currently exist over a potential life.
Being captivated by the nonexistent suffering of unborn babies is generally a fetishistic crutch for misanthropes who find live humans repulsive and terrifying

>>149746943
You make it sound like a religion lmao. It's just whores being whores

Resurrect everyone in this thread

>>149740057
Science says the baby is a unique organism, genetically distinct from both mother and father from the moment of conception.

Fun Fact: abrahamic religions like Christianity perform abortion in cases of infidelity. They just call it the ritual of bitter water. Being against abortion as a Christian is a fringe belief that only has purchase in the evangelical US.

Comics and Cartoons

>>149746705
>killing humans is bad
>meanwhile he worships a god that almost wiped out humanity
hmm

>>149747036
Chapter and Verse please?
Otherwise it's heretics going off of scripture

>>149746954
>You make it sound like a religion lmao.
Oh it is.
>It's just whores being whores
That's like 40% of old pagan beliefs, there was even a tranny temple in Galacia.
The other 60% was violence, getting soaked up the elbows in bulls blood to keep the gods happy.

>>149747044
numbers 5:11-31

>>149747036
>It appeared to me in a dream.

>>149747063
Nigger that is not what it says at all.

>>149747036
How did the US get so historically perverted? It's just created its own psychopathic White Jesus versions of everything from all around the world, but why?

>>149747044
He's talking about Numbers 5:11, and it has nothing to do with abortion. The woman is never mentioned to be pregnant.

>>149747063
>31 Then shall the man be guiltless from iniquity, and this woman shall bear her iniquity
Kek

>>149747101
It's so fucking egregious I could spit.

>>149747101
>Bro this passage about a husband suspecting infidelity and taking his wife to the priest where he gives her either regular water or a drug that causes a miscarriage has nothing to do with pregnancy!
You didn't do too great in school did you?

>>149747299
It's some paper and wheat mixed with water. There's nothing poisonous about it. It's not RU-486. And again, the woman isn't pregnant.

>you didn't do too great in school did you?
This is why people hate you. No one likes smug, condescending jackasses who think they're smarter than everyone else.

>>149747362
>I-it's paper and wheat!
It's grasses that cause miscarriage.
Well, if the priest decides she should be guilty. If not he gives her regular water.
>She's not pregnant
How the fuck do you think a woman in antiquity gets accused of adultery you moron
Why would they induce miscarriage in someone that isn't pregnant moron
>>149747380
>God I hate people that are smart and right
That's because you have too big of an ego and can't emotionally handle being wrong. Fix that.

>>149747719
>if the priest decides she should be guilty
I stopped reading right there

>>149747795
That's nice, dear
Sometimes I forget American Christians aren't taught to interpret texts or think about the context around passages.

>>149747825
You literally didn't read the passage tard

>>149747841
You keep telling yourself that, anon, I'm sure it's much easier than applying any kind of critical thinking

>>149747982
> And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:
It was easy to dispel.

>>149747719
>If not he gives her regular water.
He makes her take an Oath, and makes her drink it regardless
>How the fuck do you think a woman in antiquity gets accused of adultery you moron
Witnesses? And the man fearing getting caught?
>Why would they induce miscarriage in someone that isn't pregnant moron
Literally the curse makes the women's belly swell. How would her belly swell if she was already pregnant?

>>149748152
>And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Implies the woman is pregnant

I support late term abortions

Wow you actually believe there was magic pussy-turns-inside-out cursed water
That actually makes more sense to you than social leaders using white lies to keep the peace in very small communities

Can we still use magic curse water to tell if a woman cheats today? That'd be a pretty handy service, might net churches some more tithes!

Comics and cartoons!

>>149748453
It's not that hard to understand that the chapter and verse you quoted was about something supernatural. Even an atheist would understand that.
You are just being a willful retard and twisting the meaning of mythic text you aren't willing to believe in.

I support blowing up abortion clinics

Not all abortions are equal.

>>149748697
White cocks in black wombs

>>149743066
>I'm an atheist. There is no secular reason to oppose it. My only issue with it is that they use men's tax dollars to help fund it, which offends me because I don't want to have my money taken from me to pay for the clean up cost of women having sex with men that aren't me.
Would you prefer to fund child support or an abortion? The latter is cheaper

>>149740057
I'm an atheist and a liberal and I think abortion is only excusable when the cause was rape, the fetus is dead/malformed (i.e., no heart) or mother's life is at risk if she is forced to give birth. Contraceptives are cheap. Use them.

>>149747026
>Science says the baby is a unique organism, genetically distinct from both mother and father from the moment of conception.
That's not what gives human life value.

A genetically identical twin that is sentient has value.
a genetically different and non-sentient zygote does not.

>>149748935
Are you sentient while sleeping?

>>149748927
>I'm an atheist and a liberal and I think abortion is only excusable when the cause was rape, the fetus is dead/malformed (i.e., no heart) or mother's life is at risk if she is forced to give birth. Contraceptives are cheap. Use them.
why is it unnaceptable in other cases?

>>149748927
>abortion is good if it's a rape baby
Why would a baby deserve to die just because their dad was an asshole? Would you execute a 12 year old child because one of their parents committed a crime?

>>149748959
>Are you sentient while sleeping?
Sleeping isn't the same as not having a brain or being nonsentient. It's not a valid comparison.
brain activity does not cease because you are sleeping (or even comatose sometimes). Some People are even aware they are asleep.

>>149749004
>Why would a baby deserve to die just because their dad was an asshole? Would you execute a 12 year old child because one of their parents committed a crime?
It's not sentient for most of the pregancy, so that's only after its a viable fetus.

>>149748966
Because if she closed her legs she wouldn't be in that situation. Rape means she had no choice, and malformed fetus is also not her fault.
The woman made her choice when she decided to have sex, so she has to live with the consequences of her retardation.

>>149743252
>Most people who are pro-abortion don't know jack shit about human gestation or reproductive health and have know right discussing the topic.
What's your point? Most parents dont know shit about taking care about children.

>>149743764
>They have that choice dumbass, if you don't want to get pregnant, don't have sex
Someone times people need to abort wanted pregancies.
What's wrong with abortion anyways?

>>149749040
>The woman made her choice when she decided to have sex, so she has to live with the consequences of her retardation.
Why should she? Why should living with the consequences of your action be required here? How does that justify preventing abortion? You clearly don't think it's murder, since you allow it in the case of rape.

We allow people to quit bad jobs. People can even give up born children for adoption. We allow people to change their mind all the time.

>>149749079
>NEED to abort wanted pregnancies
So like i said with malformed fetus being an exception? If the mother will literally die if the baby doesn't go that is NOT the fault of the mother. Shit happens.

>>149749153
There's plenty of cases where people want to have a child but have to get abortion because they can financially support more.

>>149749201
What?

I'm only against abortion because I hate women and I want to control their bodies

>>149740057
Everyone that isn't a degen faggot or a fat disgusting whore oppose it.
If your entire surrounding is pro baby murder and you included, I got bad news for you

>>149749227
Accidentally said can instead of Can't.
it should have read like this.
>There's plenty of cases where people want to have a child but have to get abortion because they CAN'T financially support more.

>>149749328
how is it murder? Is the morning after pill murder?

>>149749545
What would you call this?
https://imgur.com/a/nxiHNbK

>>149749594
TRIGGER WARNING: Link is pictures of aborted babies. Extremely graphic.

>>149749594
>>149749609
These are images that were reposted without a source.
I don't have context for these image, what stage of development they were in, or a guarantee that they were actually aborted.

>>149743435
>>149743740
>>149743831
This anon gets it. The three biggest contributing factors to abortion are medical necessity, lacking/bad sex education, and being unable to support a(nother) child. Straight-up personal irresponsibility is way down the list. Most women do care about being pregnant on a fundamental level (that's why miscarriages are so traumatizing), and see abortion as a heavy decision to avoid if possible. But it often ends up the only viable option, because human pregnancy is fucked up and dangerous, and the modern world is remarkably hostile to children and families.

I'd like to add that even if somewhere out there there's weird freaks who have tons of unprotected sex and just abort as needed, I consider letting them do that preferable to forcing such people to have kids, because why would you want people who are unwilling to be parents to have a kid? A kid in that situation would end up all fucked up and abused. If you want abortion to be rarer then fine, let the feminist types pass parental leave laws and improve the education budget and shit, 'cause that'll prevent way more abortions than trying to make it illegal.

>>149749594
I could post pictures of surgery that are super fucking gross, do you oppose all surgery? If I posted a bunch of pictures of the working procedure of a slaughterhouse, would you oppose eating meat?

Biology in general is gorey and disturbing, that's been true forever. But that doesn't make it any less useful or necessary. The practice of medicine is necessary in order to live long and healthy lives, and the fact that many procedures are gross or unpleasant shouldn't factor in.

>>149750551
>>149750643

>>149750643
>I could post pictures of surgery that are super fucking gross, do you oppose all surgery? If I posted a bunch of pictures of the working procedure of a slaughterhouse, would you oppose eating meat?

>Biology in general is gorey and disturbing, that's been true forever. But that doesn't make it any less useful or necessary. The practice of medicine is necessary in order to live long and healthy lives, and the fact that many procedures are gross or unpleasant shouldn't factor in.

>>149750551
>This anon gets it. The three biggest contributing factors to abortion are medical necessity, lacking/bad sex education, and being unable to support a(nother) child. Straight-up personal irresponsibility is way down the list. Most women do care about being pregnant on a fundamental level (that's why miscarriages are so traumatizing), and see abortion as a heavy decision to avoid if possible. But it often ends up the only viable option, because human pregnancy is fucked up and dangerous, and the modern world is remarkably hostile to children and families.

>I'd like to add that even if somewhere out there there's weird freaks who have tons of unprotected sex and just abort as needed, I consider letting them do that preferable to forcing such people to have kids, because why would you want people who are unwilling to be parents to have a kid? A kid in that situation would end up all fucked up and abused. If you want abortion to be rarer then fine, let the feminist types pass parental leave laws and improve the education budget and shit, 'cause that'll prevent way more abortions than trying to make it illegal.

>>149743435
the problems that lead to abortions happening is: it's legal and you can do it and get away with it

>>149750551
Holy shit, we're still making the "sex education will reduce abortions" argument in 2025? We literally teach preschoolers how to have gay sex.

>>149740057
Stop murdering babies

>>149750704
>>149750738
>>149750754
So you admit that your argument comes down entirely to aesthetics, rather than any kind of substantive moral ideal or practical reality. You just find it gross.

>>149751058
i didn't need to see that

>>149751178
Yes you did. Everyone who supports abortion should be forced to watch one.

>>149750551
>This anon gets it. The three biggest contributing factors to abortion are medical necessity, lacking/bad sex education, and being unable to support a(nother) child
No, studies have shown that 90% of abortions are entirely elective and have nothing to do with medical necessity or financial incompetence. The majority of abortions are simply used as contraception because apparently condom use and birth control are too complex for people.

>>149751058
I accept your concession.

>>149751058
I'm pro abortion and looking at that has not changed anything for me. Get that fetus. Kill that fetus. And also stop using men's tax money to help pay for it. Not because its morally wrong, but because its unfair that women get to get nutted in by Chad repeatedly (instead of me) and then make me help pay for the clean up cost.

>>149752232
Why not force stacy and chad to raise the crotch goblin so chad can't fuck other women and one leswls whore is removed for you.

>>149751441
This. Literally all of this could be avoided if people weren't dumb as shit. But we need to make excuses for them because giving a shit is hard

>>149751279
Why should you having a weak stomach be everyone else's problem? You're like those bleeding heart fags that think the entire military and all weapons should be abolished because they saw some bombed-out cars once and it made them sad and scared.

>>149752319
Because that's more expensive for everyone, dipshit. The point is to save me money, not to punish some random idiots I'll never meet.

>>149753003
>pic
It's always hilarious to me when people repeat feminist theory verbatim as an argument against feminism.

>>149739005 (OP)
Congratulations or so sorry for your loss senpai

>>149748966
>why is it unnaceptable in other cases?

Because it's killing a human life.

If you use the standard of viability, it's a losing battle. As science improves, viability will keep going back until it's practically at fertilization, it's a God of the gaps but for medical abortion.

On top of that, viability definitionally is funny. People drew it at like 27 weeks because it'd 'survive on it's own' but if that's how it is, I ask anyone to leave a newborn in a one bedroom apartment completely unattended and see if it survives on its own. Either way, viability doesn't work.

If it's personhood, you need to be a developed 'person' to count as murder, I say then we should be allowed to kill babies up to about 18-24 months by that standard too.

Especially if it's with the reason of just economics or wanting to finish school ect. Kids with genetic abnormalities are more expensive than normal kids, should we mass abort them, or again, especially if they're grossly developmentally retarded, just kill them young too if they just cost too much before they can gain a semblance of coherent sentience?

why the fuck is this thread still standing its pure dogshit jannies do your fucking job

>>149755662
another great day at /pol/... hey, but why is the board blue?

>>149753227
It's more expensive to force people to raise their kids rather than expecting your tax dollars to?

>>149755662
Abortion is a great topic to discuss in /co/mics & cartoons

>>149756703
If any comic or cartoon features a serious issue, we're not allowed to discuss it? It is banished from /co/?

There is nothing positive that can come from denying or enabling abortion. Pro-abortion beliefs and people are evil and disgusting, anti abortion beliefs and people are evil and disgusting. They're all the same.

>>149754695
>human life.
Define human life.

>>149751441
>No, studies have shown that 90% of abortions are entirely elective and have nothing to do with medical necessity or financial incompetence
source?

>>149754695
>On top of that, viability definitionally is funny. People drew it at like 27 weeks because it'd 'survive on it's own' but if that's how it is, I ask anyone to leave a newborn in a one bedroom apartment completely unattended and see if it survives on its own. Either way, viability doesn't work.
a newborn isn't literally attached to the parent. You can give it to someone else or give it up for adoption.
The fetus can't be removed without killing it.

>If it's personhood, you need to be a developed 'person' to count as murder, I say then we should be allowed to kill babies up to about 18-24 months by that standard too.

Why should it be any thing other than personhood or sentience? isn't that how we judge what murder is?

>>149756967
>human life

Human, of the species homo sapiens.

Life, of having active biological systems such as metabolism, growth, adaptation, reproduction, response to stimuli and maintaining homeostasis.

So living members of the species homo sapiens.

>>149757016
>Why should it be any thing other than personhood or sentience? isn't that how we judge what murder is?
You don't want to go by that metric then because after 6 weeks of gestation a fetus is registering its own brain waves, essentially proving it has independent thoughts and sentience

>>149757016
>You can give it to someone else or give it up for adoption.

So someone else still has to bear the economic and labor costs, it puts a burden on them, why should they have to incur that economic cost of their time and effort and resources. Just allowing it to die to save money seems like it'd be right in line, especially since the newborn has no sense of self or coherent awareness.

>Why should it be any thing other than personhood or sentience? isn't that how we judge what murder is?

So you'd agree that killing a newborn then shouldn't count as murder since it really doesn't have any sort of coherent sentience or agency that we'd attribute to what makes a person a person, that'd qualify for personhood.