Thread 149756753

The 2005 Doom costume looked pretty nice in some shots

>>149756753 (OP)
His looks were never the problem, he looks good in 2005 and excellent in Rise of the Silver Surfer, which has an extremely faithful design overall.

The problem was the character in the first movie and how he spent 90% of the movie unmasked. Once he actually started acting like Doom especially in the sequel, the movies get a lot better. The sequel is hot dog shit whenever he isn't on screen though.

>>149757029
this, ROTSS doom is the best he has ever looked in screen including cartoons

>>149756753 (OP)
Julian Mcmahon was one of the best things about those movies. RIP to a genuine star.

>>149756753 (OP)
The design wasn't bad, just add a cape and it's perfect. It's the characterization what was dogshit.
>>149757163
He legit wanted to keep the European accent but Fox told him not to sadly. You can tell he did care about the character.

>>149756753 (OP)
If FFTFS gets to 500 million i'll become the joker.

>>149757112
Chestplate looks kinda rubber

Why is it so, so hard to get the material right
It always looks like cheap plastic or tin instead of something regal and divine that someone who thinks as highly of himself as Doom would insist on

>>149757163
He and the four all had great casting. Doug Jones and Laurence Fishburne both did great with their parts in portraying the Silver Surfer. The movies being weak wasn't the fault of the actors at all.

>>149756753 (OP)
On the topic of Doom's design, what do you guys think of this Fant4stic concept art? Keep in mind, it came from a point in development when the film aimed to be more faithful to the comics.
Personally I like it, it remains the classic elements while adding details that, while new, keep in line with what the character is, specially the medieval motif that Victor is fond of.

If Marvel didn't need to press the desperation button that was RDJ as Doom, who would you have cast?

>>149757757
Like most things with Fant4stic I think it was a cool idea on some level that got turned to shit because you had a muddled production led by a 29 year old who had only ever made one movie before

>>149757029
>and excellent in Rise of the Silver Surfer
>>149757112
>ROTSS doom is the best he has ever looked in screen

Lol, no. 2005 was the vastly better look.

>>149757826
If they didn't waste Mads Mikkelsen on a no-name scrub in Doctor Strange, I would have cast him in a heartbeat.

>>149757692
I was honestly in the camp that wanted Fishburne to voice him again in First Steps, so you can imagine how disappointed I was when they did Shalla-Ball for whatever reason

>>149757029
>The sequel is hot dog shit whenever he isn't on screen though.
I still like the family scenes and the Surfer.

>>149757826
If it were to make a GOOD movie, Nicholas Cage.

>>149758202
They went to Jake Gyllenhaal for Reed in First Steps. No reason not to reuse Mads for Doom at that point.

>>149756753 (OP)
A shame since literally everything else about the movie blows.

>>149759092
The Thing was great in those movies.

>>149757757
I don't really like the mask, though the armor looks great. I understand the point of the mask design but it looks too goofy and ridiculous for me. The nose and mouth make him look like he's giving you a retarded gormless stare

>>149759092
Chris Evans as Johnny was hilarious and charismatic af

>>149756753 (OP)
I like it from the neck up. But his shitty trench coat ruins it for me. It reads like a bad compromise because they didn't want to give him a skirt.

>>149756753 (OP)
Wasn't this nigga made out of metal and had lightning powers?

>>149759284
The slacks just feel silly.

>>149756753 (OP)
The movies were a bunch of missed potential. There was enough there to be a good F4 movie for the 2000s but they both failed because they kept shying away from being closer to the comics.

>>149756753 (OP)
The second he put on the mask, he became a wildly different, and far better character. It was kinda jarring the way he stopped being weird business guy and was suddenly a saturday morning cartoon villain. It was an improvement, but where the fuck was that guy for the entire first half of the movie?

>>149759600
These movies were fucked by rewrites and reshoots before people became largely aware of them as a concept in the public eye. Doom was especially hit hard from what it sounds like. In the sequel his incarnation was originally supposed to be a Doombot controlled by the real Doom who was running Latveria after the first movie, for example.

They decided that was too convoluted and that audiences were too stupid to understand it so they cut that plot point. They cut the vast majority of Latveria stuff from the first film as well and refused to let Victor's actor use a European accent whatsoever.

>>149757112
The concept art looked cooler.
The one in the movie is entirely gray and lacks the tunic

>>149757112
lol

>>149759284
If they wanted to avoid the tunic they could've gone for like a wizard robe look.

It still amuses me that I saw this figure at a drugstore 5 years after the movie came out

>>149757692
Susan was probably the weakest casting of them all. Jessica Alba is eternally sexy and all but she never really felt like the character she was playing

>>149757757
mask expression needs to change but otherwise this is a vast improvement over what we got

>>149758289
no they went to Adam Driver
>>149759247
Stan Lee also said he was his favorite casting of them all

>>149760094
wasnt that what Fant4stic ended up doing or am I thinking wrong

>>149756753 (OP)
plastic flowers look nice from a distance too

>>149760875
They apparently went to both Driver and Gyllenhaal, but didn't go through with them due to both being too expensive. They're trying to lower budgets after several flops, which is why they're going with unknowns for the X-Men.

>>149757757
Why does he look japanese

>>149759284
>>149759413
I still wonder why they gave him two belts on top of each other

>>149760855
They didn't even let her. Alba said she was miserable playing the part, since they kept limiting her direction to "look pretty". She was told not to cry realistically because it looked ugly and that they would add tears in post, which in her own words almost caused her to quit acting.

>>149760875
They went to Driver first, the Matt Smith, both of which rejected the role because the script was too Sue-centric. Smith was burned out of capeshit after Morbius and didn't even consider it, Driver asked for rewrites and passed. Then they went to Gyllenhaal who's in his slopflicks era so he would've done it, had they met his price, but they didn't. The craziest thing is that they screen tested Jamie Dornan and passed on him for being "too white". Feige is a literal moron.

>>149759092
>>149759164
>>149759247
Also Jessica Alba's cleavage

>>149759092
>everything else about the movie blows.
That first movie fucking rules. It's fun, gets the dynamic of the main four spot on, Thing is a practical costume which kicks ass, it's fun and light-hearted without sacrificing the sincerity, it looks as good as the first Spider-Man in terms of colour and contrast, hell even the CGI still holds up for the most part.

>>149757112
I used to think so but the suit looks super cheap in a lot of shots. Kinda looks like a Destiny cosplay

>>149761594
Holy shit, that's appalling.
The moment of "good actors, bad writing/directing" that's most burned into my mind is when Reed builds the Fantasticar and Johnny just wants to know if it has Hemi engines.

Those 2 movies honestly weren't far off from something great.

>>149762620
As usual, it only falls apart when they try to reinvent the wheel.

The costumes are good, but the problem with FF is that the series is still written like the original Kirby-Ditko comic. The sequence on the bridge looks like it came straight out of a Kirby story. I think you should play around with the concept. Millar's updated take on the series is the best take since the original run. He takes the Kirby-Ditko run and makes it relevant to the 2000s and writes these extreme versions of the characters.

>>149761603
I never considered Jamie Dornan, he's actually a great fit. would make for a nice redemption on his side too, considering he's only known for Fifty Shades and other shitty films

>>149762393
shame she never did nudity or good sex scenes in her prime, but she still looks great for her age so maybe there's some hope

>>149763267
Mark pls

>>149763337
>never did nudity
Wait, SERIOUSLY?

>>149763337
>>149764340
She's nude in the "powers malfunctioning" sequence of Silver Surfer.

>>149764449
Fantastic Four 2 is PG-13.

PG-13 nudity doesn't count.

>>149764340
She has a no nudity clause in her contract. The closest we ever got in film was in Machete during a shower scene but it's a side profile shot where her arm is covering her tits and a leg covering her vag, which is entirely moot anyway because she was wearing underwear and they digitally removed it.

>>149759164
The actor is a fan of the character and it tells.

>>149761603
Now I see him, Dornan could have been a perfect choice. He looks the part as much as Gruffudd.

>because the script was too Sue-centric.
Despite F4 doesn't have many fans, they are known enough for people to know they're a team and even normies know Sue shouldn't be the main focus.
I wonder if this is happening with the current x-men casting, which they said would focus more on the ladies. The actors probably know the mutants more than the F4 and the guy reading for Cyclops might be wondering why Jean and Storm do everything while he can't lead the team he's meant to be the leader of.

>>149761588
It was the mid 2000s having a shit ton of belts was a fashion trend

>>149761588
>Just one belt? Like a peasant?

>>149761603
>both of which rejected the role because the script was too Sue-centric.
>passed on him for being "too white".

So we're just making up bullshit now?

I do like how they never call him Doom in the movies, and why would they? Victor is the same asshole, even with the mask.

>>149766256
Read, you retarded nigger.
>Just prior to the SAG-AFTRA strike, Marvel conducted secret screen tests for Reed Richards. A group of actors flew to London, including Christopher Abbott and Jamie Dornan, but the tests did not go very well.
>It quickly became apparent to Marvel that they needed a bigger name. Just before the strike took effect, they went out to Jake Gyllenhaal, but he wanted too much money (as did Adam Driver early on). Budget has been a real issue for this movie, which is why Emma Stone or Margot Robbie aren't playing Sue Storm. They're too expensive and Kevin Feige is trying to contain talent costs.
>With Vanessa Kirby tipped to be Sue Storm, who is said to be the clear lead of the film, and Joseph Quinn and Ebon Moss-Bachrach poised to play Johnny Storm and Ben Grimm, Feige foresaw another issue with Gyllenhaal besides the actor’s fee: He feared that the cast was “way too white,” in the words of one insider. Reed Richards would be the character eyed to diversify the cast.
>It didn’t hurt that Pascal, who is Chilean, is hotter than both Gyllenhaal and Driver at the moment; he’s the internet’s new boyfriend who can do no wrong. The feeling internally was that Mister Fantastic was a tricky role to cast — not just because of the demand for multiple movies, but also because Sue is the lead of this first film, and Feige felt Pascal was the perfect get.
>https://www.theinsneider.com/p/fantastic-four-cast-pedro-pascal-marvel-madness-christopher-nolan-best-director
>>149764695
The script was legitimately awful. I have no idea how they thought Oscar Nominees were going to be enticed. Feige must be legitimately retarded.
>>149763320
He was in my fancasts back in the day, as I had them broken down in age brackets. I hated the Krasinski crowd, but boy did I never expect that things could get that much worse...
>the faggiest fag on the planet, complete with a leather biker stache, playing Marvel's Patriarch
God sure is a jokester...

>>149766620
>It didn’t hurt that Pascal, who is Chilean, is hotter than both Gyllenhaal and Driver at the moment; he’s the internet’s new boyfriend who can do no wrong. The feeling internally was that Mister Fantastic was a tricky role to cast — not just because of the demand for multiple movies, but also because Sue is the lead of this first film, and Feige felt Pascal was the perfect get.

>>149756753 (OP)
I wonder what this suit could've looked like if they were given an actual budget

>>149756753 (OP)
if they hadn't given him those stupid electro lite powers he would have been a perfectly good Doom adaptation

>>149766780
>he would have been a perfectly good Doom adaptation
no. His characterization and origin are just wrong. Doom being an evil businessman with superpowers that were obtained in the same accident as the Fantastic Four are all wrong.

>>149762481
I still like it though. Its not overdesigned with those ugly hexagonal lines that plague superhero movies now

>>149766752
Really it just needs darker green, and more texture for the tunic

>>149756753 (OP)
The 05 movie is way better than it's given credit for.

>>149766899
>superpowers that were obtained in the same accident as the Fantastic Four
I kinda like this idea though.
Especially as the "doom gets disfigured, and blames richards for it"

>>149759864
>>149759896
>>149762481
Does anyone else see a Roman gladiator motif with his chest, or am I reaching?

I present to you...

>>149767133
No that's on point

>>149767151
I never did see this. What was the explanation for the ugly ass mask

>>149767233
his space suit got melted onto his skin so I think its like half skin half glass helmet or something like that. its not specifically stated I think ur meant to infer this unless im wrong.

>>149766899
You absolutely cannot do Comic Doom on the big screen, not in a way that is remotely digestible or comprehensible. His entire backstory is extremely convoluted at this point and trying to explain the notion of a magic science wizard king of an eastern european nation who hates the main character because they went to college together is next to impossible for general audiences without it coming off as a joke. Without the depth provided by a long comic run, Doom's lore is fucking absurd.

>>149766899
>superpowers that were obtained in the same accident as the Fantastic Four
I get where you're coming from, but if you're retelling the origin story, it wraps a lot of things together so you can focus on what happens after that. Victor getting disfigured because he made a mistake, he can blame Richards for it, and so on. It might not be entirely true to the character, but it's much simpler to handle than "there's this guy I went to college with, he fucked up and wouldn't listen when I told him he fucked up, he got disfigured from that and went and learned magic to compliment his genius science".

>>149766899
I didn't say a perfect adaptation, but the Latveria background was still there, the disfigurement, the intelligence and most importantly the personal grudge and rivalry against Reed. Unfortunately what Fox never seemed to understand is that Doom isn't supposed to have innate super powers, just technology and sorcery, it's part of his appeal

Considering all the cartoons, I think the best way to adapt Doom might just be to leave his backstory vague with him already being established by the movie's start.

>>149767404
If they really wanted to flesh out Doom's past, they could give Doom a solo origin movie to show his rise to power and his previous relationship with Reed. But that'll never happen with how disjointed and uncoordinated the MCU has been.

>>149767429
I get it's simpler, but it isn't better. There are plenty of villains in movies whose origins are either vague or complete mysteries that are still great. Just because you can't include his origin doesn't mean he wouldn't be a good character. It wouldn't be hard to write Doom as already being established in the world.

>>149767587
His Latverian background was more of an easter egg than anything. His intelligence didn't feel like it even contended with Reed. And his grudge with Reed was alright. But besides getting cliff notes about the character, this just isn't Doom. It's just someone's what-if fanfiction of their version of Doom. Also, the words on the post I replied to said "perfectly good," which I disagree with.


My problem is that this adaptation didn't even try. The fuckin 1994 movie tried, why couldn't they?

>it's another retard autists don't understand why their cool (dorky, fanciful, implausibly dressed) comic book characters don't translate well to real life episode
comic books are fucking stupid and doom looks fucking ridiculous and IS ridiculous that's why

>>149767404
It might work if they adapted Books of Doom for a movie, but that'd be a pretty weird thing to adapt.

>>149766620
>in the words of one insider. Reed Richards would be the character eyed to diversify the cast.
Pascal was born in Chile, but his parents are both of almost exclusive Spaniard blood. He's as white as the current Spanish King or PM. Lmao.

>>149766620
>Kevin Feige is trying to contain talent costs.
That's why we're having cheap mutants now. This moron blew up the budget with RDJ.

>>149766620
>Feige must be legitimately retarded.
He absolutely is.

Who can he beat?

>>149768068
How do they explain his backstory in the 1994 movie?

>>149768075
Doom is one of the less ridiculous looking supervillains, though

>>149767404
This kind of reasoning is why you keep watching these movies and all you get is ass now.
They went as far as showing Celestials, nothing is "too stupid", they just make everything stupider anyway.