Thread 149757310

What went wrong

wokeism

2008.
Always has been. That was it.

Boston Bomb Scare causing new management to come in right as the economy fell out from under the floor, causing the channel to just barely limp along for a few years, incidentally make some decent decisions from like 2010 - 2013, then have another leadership change that made them go full fucking retard.

>>149757310 (OP)
Women

They cancelled The Problem Solverz

>>149757310 (OP)
The Warner Bros merger with Discovery

>>149757404
and in extension to that David Zaslav, Christina Miller probably did more damage to the network than he did but at least that dumb bimbo was hot

Malgmation of errors honestly.

Really shitty company management and decisons
CN Reals existence.

Newer cartoons being put on dead slots

Nepotism and people hiring there friends over hard working animators.

California

Most animators at CN were mediocre as hell during 2016. Even the most obscure cartoon is better than any show in the 2010s besides shows like regular show or others like it.


Teen titans Go. Not because I dislike it but it was the most successful show that cn had. Which probably shifted the network into toddler block.

>>149757310 (OP)
the AT&T acquisition and later WB merger were the deathblows, previously documented stuff was bad but CN was still able to maintain its autonomy as a studio, the mergers made CN only a nostalgia brand

>>149757330
It's way more than that desu

>>149757487
Of course it is but I hate women and minorities and I would eat literal shit if and drown in it if it mean they didn't exist

>>149757330
Always the braindead answer.

>>149757330
Why the fuck did mega XLR flop then

>>149757529
Dickhead execs.

>>149757331
In case people are too young to even know it
The Boston Bomb Scare combined with financial crash and recession. That's when CN became constantly full of cheap Canadian flash cartoons.

>>149757529
>Zaslav is why we didn't get a revival

>>149757529
Judaic-Hibernian conspiracy

>>149757529
It didn't, it was one of the shows that was canned when new management came in. Samurai Jack got canned at the same time despite being both a ratings and critical darling.

>>149757310 (OP)
Genuinely? No new cartoons
That's it, really, even shitty cartoons like SU,WBB or TTGo are just that, shitty cartoons. Issue is that it seems like CN froze in time and stuck with those shitty shows for some reason and they weren't replaced. Hell, for as much as i like AT, RS or Gumball, fucking ten years later they are still around.
That's the issue, where the fuck are the new shows.

What little talent there was in TV animation got promoted to DreamWorks and Sony Pictures over the past decade

>>149757330
FPBP

>>149757310 (OP)
Jews (David Zaslav)

>>149757573
What happened to that wave of new Cartoon Cartoons they were supposed to put out a few years ago? They just quietly canned all the pilots and hoped everyone would forget?

>>149757310 (OP)
What was the last Cartoon Network show that was popular with kids?

>>149757661
Yogi Bear

>>149757661
I think Craig in the creek.
After that everything else just flopped if it wasn't a remake or continuation

>>149757661
Craig of the Creek?

>>149757661
TTG, regular show and AT. SU is debatable.

>>149757661
OK KO was the last show that led to a spike in ratings

>>149757684
Really?

What ever exec thought gearing the channel towards toddler shit from the mid 10's onward was a good idea toddlershit despite the rise and use of the term ipad kid.

>>149757683
I think it did well with kids early on when it was still mainly a show about some fat kid going on adventures

>>149757661
Craig of the Creek probably. In terms of being REALLY popular it's probably a tossup between AT, TTG, an SU, you'd have to trace when they declined ratings-wise. I know SU's ratings peaked during its third season and AT's during its fifth, not sure about TTG nor can I remember what years those happened in.

>>149757719
So SU's first two seasons?

>>149757719
Yea that's true. Wish Rebecca's had that in mind instead putting in that unnecessary crap.

>>149757310 (OP)
adding stupid Barney-loving baby shit 2010s onward

>>149757725
I dont know about ratings but it was probably consistent. Theres a reason that could spam that show without fear of turning kids away. Cant say the same for the rest of the shows like SU.

>>149757719
>>149757725
Speaking from experience with younger family members they stopped giving a shit about SU during after its third season yeah. Outright said it started to "look bad" around then and they stopped watching it.

They were able to bounce back from the cn real shit, why was it different after all the shows from the 2010s started ending?

>>149757839
They had management that only wanted to focus on little kid content and didn't renew any shows with mass appeal. It turns out this isn't good for ratings or... getting anyone to talk about your shows.

>>149757310 (OP)
>>149757330
It was a lot of factors including turning away talent or just shuttering shows for not having enough merchandising appeal, but introducing weird woke nonsense was definitely one of the major factors

>>149757310 (OP)
they let kikes like sugar make a show, and a cuck like ward let sugar destroy his work
>>149757401
>golden age
>2 shows literally no one talked about
>1 show made for 30 something fat cat ladies

>>149757310 (OP)
troons

>>149757839
Their channel had really shit ratings by the late 2010s due to kids going on social media instead

>>149757401
>They cancelled The Problem Solverz
Shenanigans. I'm calling you out. I genuinely doubt you actually give a fuck about the ugliest shittiest show CN has ever aired.

>>149757310 (OP)
People grew up horny or bitter and started making weird fan parodies of old cartoons involving romance, politics, and/or drugs use instead of making their own generation defining cartoons actually aimed at being produced for a kid's network.

>>149757661
Gumball.

>>149757310 (OP)
Jews and leftists.

>>149757401
>fucking steven universe is golden age
Grim as fuck.
How lowly have we fallen.

>>149757542
>he says this while flapjack came in the same year

>>149758149
The Fall/Noods era is kinda weird, a lot of the original shows were better than most of what came out during the City era but it was also filled with godawful third-party cartoons, mainly Canadian.

>>149757401
it's so hilarious that of all the cartoons in this image not only is Ninjago the longest running but it's probably the best one listed. God CN has fallen so hard it's embarrassing.

>>149757310 (OP)
>What went wrong
Is this an honest question or is it just lazy engagement-farming?

>>149757310 (OP)
Where is Gumball?

>>149758842
By himself in the CN Studios Europe logo

>>149758842
This is only for the shows developed by the studio, that's why Ed, Edd n Eddy and KND don't show up either

Disney, Nick, Anime and Fox did what they did only better

What happened to the cartoon renaissance?

>>149757375
This

That management changed killed the network slowly and painfully

>>149758842
KND is missing too

>>149758910
Oh
That's gay(derogatory)

>>149760275
Not CN Studios.

>>149758506
The trick is that half the Powerhouse cartoons carried over into city and were still the flagship shows on the channel, meaning that the City era newcomers being meh to bad didn't matter as much.
Noods had Flapjack and Chowder coming out of CN itself and TDI as the flagship of the Canadian imports with all of the good Powerhouse shows wrapping up before or early into it and the City era shows all dying off beforehand.

>>149757401
I will never fathom how Problem Solverz got green lit.

>>149757310 (OP)
What ruined Cartoon Network is Mike Lazzo got promoted. What ruined Adult Swim is Mike Lazzo retired. That also ruined Adult Swim dot com in a huge way as Lazzo's vision was for a Streams-dominant channel that was free online. Turns out that instead of doing crossword puzzles and watching fish, they should have been playing video games and doing political grifting.

>>149757310 (OP)
>what slowed CN down
The Boston bomb scare, Stu Snyder, CN Real, didn’t take until AT and RS to save them for a bit (Chowder and Flapjack only helped them coast)
>what infected CN
Shows slowing down, schedule chokeholded by TTG and a slight lesser extent gumball, new cartoons being less interesting (after SU ended, there was no show for grown adults to angrily give attention to)
>what sent CN to hell
Corporate WB mergers, AT&T mergers, Discovery mergers, Zaslav, CN studios closing a clear significant change that the channel is now an zombified afterthought, shows are whored around streaming services, Gumball revival isn’t even on the channel now

I have no idea what CN is going to do since it is no longer owned by Warner Bros, I’m pretty sure it’ll just keep trucking along like CW and just be in a sorry state

>>149760791
>it is no longer owned by Warner Bros
I was not aware of that.
I remember a few years ago someone saying that the future of cartoons is a limbo of never ending unwatchable toddlerslop. I have nothing to back up his claims, but I just feel he was onto something.

>>149757330
>t.

>>149757310 (OP)
>What went wrong
Didn't pick up Kitty Bobo

I'm amazed Johnny Test hasn't come up at all here, since it felt like there was a point the show was being perpetually aired just to fill space, then TTG replaced it.

>>149762444
Johnny Test was just one symptom of the "Late 00s executive change/financial crisis Canadian flash spam" sickness. It's already covered under that umbrella by other posts ITT.

>>149762366
Kitty Bobo was too ahead of its time.

That's not really a compliment either.

>>149762563
Nah, I think it fits in perfectly with the late 90s to early 00s retro hipster aesthetic that was taking off around then. Basically a more kid-friendly version of Mission Hill.

The problem was fourfold.
1. The executives got faggy after the 2008 financial crisis made them abandon experimentation and good taste for the minimum viable product.
2. The talent declined as the Gen X cool/rebellious casually liberal nerd crowd of the 90s got phased out for safespace tumblrcore millennial crowd.
3. Technology permitted more corner cutting via puppet rigging, tweening and whatnot.
4. Cartoon “otaku” didn’t cultivate and protect a healthy 2D appreciation culture so the industry fell back on kids who don’t know any better and tumblr who has terrible taste.

Cartoons are in the dumpster because they are financed by people with bad taste (and are cheap), made by people who have bad taste, for people with bad taste.

>>149760221
Astroturfed industry cope, anything seems better than Destroy Build Destroy but the 10s cartoons weren’t that good.

>>149757573
Lmao, and don't forget how much seasonal rot both AT and RS got due to shitty calarts writers

>>149757661
Adventure Time (early), Regular Show, Gumball and Teen Titans Go

>>149763071
I thought Teen Titans Go was never good?

>>149760670
...on CN, I agree. It'd feel right at home on AS though.

>>149757310 (OP)
They kept allowing millennial women who didn't know how to write or draw join and now the industry is in the shitter. REMEMBER they chased away all the good artists so they could hire their friends and gatekept the industry to the point they utterly destroyed it and screwed over artists everywhere. Not to mention the screen guild caved in to the execs so those protests were for absolutely nothing and screwed artists over even more. Lesson of the story? Don't hire incapable people because they're your friends and then try to gatekeep and chase actual talent away.
We're in a dark age and with crap like Fixed being dangled like a keychain to an audience who probably won't see it and will shill it regardless of quality because "muh hand drawn and I support animation" shtick, I doubt we'll ever recover unless animation is moved out of LA completely.

>>149757661
Ben 10 and Regular Show.
The former was the last big hurrah of big toy action shows and to this day is CN's most profitable IP and the latter was the last true CN cartoon being essentially a dudebro cartoon with wacky shenanigans for about 4-5 seasons up until the tumblr millennial calarts writers, as usual, took a male-centered show and the proceeded to sabotaged it by that turning it into a a terrible soap-opera romance melodrama fanfiction of itself just to shit on one of the MC while the other was just used to prop up one of the writers' self-insert mary sue into relevance.

>>149763025
Why plump them together? RS suffered nowhere near as much as AT did.

>>149757310 (OP)
Just like the rest of non-sports/news cable TV, they waved the white flag and capitulated to streaming instead of trying to compete, or at least carve out a niche to exist alongside it.

>>149763147
oh yeah that is why they cancelled all their own programming abruptly and wrote everything off for taxes. the woke did it again. thats why so much media is getting censored under the new presidency.

>>149763219
Both share many the same exact reasons on why they declined, although I agree that AT's rot is exponential by comparison, at least Regular Show knew when to die and gave us somewhat of a good final despite the mediocre final season in space which why I hate that they're trying to bring it back, AT gave us a shitty non-final with a bunch of unlikable characters that honestly no-one gives a shit about and hasn't really truly stopped with more endless bad spin-offs and even more slop yet in production as we speak.

They tried to be a children's channel too late, I mean, at that time Disney Jr., Nick Jr. and Discovery Kids were already established and shared the audience between them, trying to go after that audience was a bad idea.

>What went wrong?
The better question is what went right. They've always had baby ratings compared to Nick and Disney. Not even tranny time could save them lmao

>>149763093
Kids like TTG thats all that matters

>>149763689
No they don't nigger

>>149763338
Retard

>>149763590
Stop projecting

>>149764133
Kys CNigger. Even your precious hard hitters struggled against Nick.

>>149764318
I think you misspelled SpongeBob dummy

>>149763590
what are kids watching? just MrBeast now?

>>149764354
>I-it was only SpongeBob that was beating them!
Cope

>>149764318
>>149764592
Damn I always suspected killing Kids WB was retarded

>>149757330
fpbp