Thread 149760209

The STRONGEST there is will be decided.

Pity win Clark

I forgot that Godzilla Ultima can just ignore dying even if something manages to kill it. Isn't this just better than Hulk's green door?

pity win banner

>>149760229
When does it ever do that

>>149760239
IT just deletes any timeline where it loses

>>149760229
The Green Door is closed and Hulk is still immortal currently.

>>149760239
2nd form in Singular Point, dies, wills himself back to life.

>>149760255
When does it ever do that

>>149760271
In the novel

>official SHITrio jak
KWAB!

>>149760279
Ohnonono

>>149760264
Post the feat
>>149760276
Post the feat

>>149760257
>It's just two literally immortal guys

>>149760290
https://youtu.be/NoOh1L40-hI?si=i4RXe8U20GQuYecL&t=94

>>149760290
>>149760296

>>149760303
It doesn't show it fully, but Godzilla Amphibia is carbonized by the bombing, and is confirmed 'dead', it then just evolves into Terrestris.

>>149760296
Not immortality, just gay path to victory shit that doesn't matter because the avatar is too weak compared to hulk
>>149760303
No idea where the resurrection happens, just looks like it tanks it

>>149760279
>>149760291
Bowser?! What are YOU doing here?!

>>149760327
It was cut out. But I explain it here, I can try to find the full scene if you give me a bit.

>>149760296
>Can literally just go "Nuh uh" to any successful attack
How are you supposed to get around this without plot armor?

>>149760338
Be too fast and too strong so there's no timeline where you can dodge

>>149760337
>>149760327
Found the scene in full.
https://youtu.be/ptoAIO4kA3Q?si=8sdpukI7YmdaMm_o&t=87 it gets carbonized, and just resurrects, and evolves into it's next stage.

>>149760338
>How are you supposed to get around this without plot armor?
An equation encoded in some old indian song or something lets you bypass this

>>149760349
According to the bullshit spewed by the anime, Ultima can predict your next move in every universe. There's a reason I dropped the show.

>>149760367
Ultima is also fighting the normal Japanese military and some building level monsters, not someone incomprehensibly stronger and faster than him

>hulk feats
>lol punch hard
>ultima godzilla feats
>actual, legitimate schizobabble

Godzilla Ultima sounds like SCP-tier bullshit at this point. How the fuck is anyone supposed to beat him when he can quite literally just ignore damage?

>>149760375
Yeah, CHADulk is based.

>>149760353
Again, it just looks like he tanks it and they're incorrect about him being dead

>>149760349
It sees a "fact" and just dodges the "fact". I don't think that's just a timeline thing.

>>149760387
He's carbonized. If you're carbonized, you die.

>the jap who made Singular Point also made SRE
Well, that answers some things at least.

Its funny that Ultima wouldn't be that much of a threat compared to some of the shit that happens in this book

>>149760375
Yeah, Ultima's bullshit. Even outdoes 'Godzilla Earth isdenser and immune to black holes' shit.

>>149760257
so is Banner's soul still in the Below Place or no?

>>149760376
I mean Hulk has fought many higher-dimensional beings and powerful reality warpers. I mean hell he literally breaks chains meant to hold Multi-Eternity ( a being so far above even the most wanked interpretations of Ultima it's not even funny) IN HIS TRAILER.

>>149760396
I can't help but feel like dodging the fact of "regular bombs" or "city tier subsonic robot" is quite a bit easier than dodging the fact of "massively faster than light if not immeasurably fast being that could also wreck my entire cosmology and being by just punching really hard"

>>149760373
Akshually, every single monster in Singular Point is also acausal and several dimensions higher than what we see in the show. Most of the kaiju deaths are either from Godzilla or because they got srparated from Archetype and could no longer support themselves in a lower dimension. Anguirus died to fulfill it seeing its own death. All of these kaiju are ALSO Godzilla in a much weaker forn.

>>149760338
plot hax to go "nuh uh" against the non-plot hax "nuh uh"

>this literal meme panel is actually something Godzilla Ultima can do
This is funny as fuck for some reason

>>149760442
Someone replace Sukuna with Godzilla

>>149760375
There's something amusing about how the radiation scientist's abilities are all "just" him punching super hard, while the giant radioactive lizard's abilities require a 130 IQ to understand.

>>149760437
That's nice, but by feats they're at best city level, and even with maximum level wank are inferior to even just basic shit in Marvel like the Astral Plane or Subspace

Hulk shall win.

>>149760432
Speed is probably irrelevant here. Godzilla is supposed to process an infinite amount of information instantly.

>>149760470
Why does he look like a cat there?

Is it a feat or a statement if the prologue to Singular Point says that all reality exists within dreams within dreams of Godzilla Ultima?

>>149760482
Being able to process an infinite amount of information means nothing if you can't move fast enough to avoid it
If I was fighting Superman and knew every single move he would ever do and could delete all timelines where he hit me I would still get turned to pulp in a nanosecond

>>149760506
It's not a movement thing, though. It's "rewriting facts" to avoid attacks. It could just say that the Hulk somehow missed every single one of his attacks, for instance. It would be like you fighting Superman, but you're actually writing Superman fighting your self-insert that you want to win.

>>149760506
they'll just scale Godzilla to his feat when he was female in that novel with her flying through backwards time just fine

Is this Statsman vs Haxman: The Fight?

>>149760525
Not the impression I'm getting at all from the passage, where it clearly says it's moving and attacking and dodging, even if it's only doing so by manipulating the "facts" of the fight
It cannot ignore the fact that Hulk is simply just too strong and fast for it without adapting to Hulk, which both takes time and better power adapters like Darwin have failed to adapt against Hulk

KEKvil is going to get gaped by the Japs just like DCucks were, just replace Life Equation with TOBA and the galaxy throwing mech with a schizobabble lizard

>>149760557
Who the fuck is KEKvil?

I don't know about all that but Kratos solos both

>>149760544
>they'll just scale Godzilla to his feat when he was female in that novel with her flying through backwards time just fine
Fuark, Godzilla Ultima was made for Big Human Cock all along?

What is it about kryptonians that makes them so WEAK?

>>149760583
Jews created them.

>>149760570
...of their laundry.

Kratos is weaker than the Hulk.

>>149760579
No, she was MADE for BIG GORILLA COCK. (((They))) are pushing this narrative of reptiles fucking gorillas in that franchise now.

>>149760566
I assume he means Marvel? Replacing the first syllable of certain words loses even more coherence when you lack the ability to spell.
>>149760556
I can see what you mean, but I'd argue against the "Can't adapt" thing. That always felt more like Darwin's body going "This is the easiest route out of here" and disappearing. Godzilla, especially a composite form, should have significantly better base states, and his evolution isn't really based on proper biology. He can also just go "Nope" if the Hulk does manage to kill him and adapt from there.

>>149760570
...of their verses

>>149760623
... laundry.

>>149760229
Hulk just punches Ultima so hard that, in it’s infinite knowledge and timelines, Ultima determines that the only way to avoid Hulk’s punch is to will itself into ceasing existence.

>>149760615
The main feats used for Darwin are when he successfully managed to adapt to Hela and stealing her powers (with Hela having a bunch of bullshit wank) but with Hulk he just couldn't. Even if you want to say "Darwin's evolution just keeps him alive" he tried to essentially turn into his attacker in both cases, but failed against Hulk.

>the hulkfags that can't debate retreat and post gay fantasies.
Typical. But yeah, a composite Godzilla's gonna be a pain in the ass.
>Laser eyes from Hanna Barbera
>Siphon Traits, beam strong enough to create portals to the Hollow Earth, can encase his vital organs in a material harder than diamond (????), Empowered mode from MV
>EMP and forcefield and black hole evaporating beam, tail sonic boom blades and energy dome from Earth
>Amnesia Beam, Corruption Particles, and Weather control from Snow Godzilla
>Nuclear Pulse, Siphoning Power, focused radioactive punches, psychic immunity from Heisei
>Flight, Human intelligence, magnetisim, kung fu, wrestling, tool use, enviromental adaptation from Showa
>all the Ultima bullshit
>Instant adaptation from Shin Godzilla
>All of them have a sixth sense, thermonuclear breath and regeneration

I don't care who wins or loses cause either way faggots will shit up either characters threads from now on.

>>149760653
How did you get this picture of me

>>149760660
>DevilArtemis hyped this match up as the hardest he’d ever worked on a Death Battle, just to give the stiffest, most lifeless fight animation since Babs vs Gwen

>>149760645
I'd ask if this is an outlier, but I assume that Marvel doesn't have too many adapters who've fought the Hulk.
Still, I don't think that Ultima or Shin's adaptations would necessarily fail against Hulk. Shin's seems "dumber" than Darwin's, if that makes sense. Ultima's are just from IT changing things to fit the threat level.

>>149760682
>Hulk and Godzilla just in an endless loop
>Bystander calls them both faggots
>everyone boos

>>149760681
The hardship was convincing them to allow him to change what was in the storyboard lol

>>149760692
Hulk never fought Super Adaptoid?

>>149760681
The hardship was having to work through tears in his eyes as he was ordered to make KINGtos beat his precious Asura.

>>149760681
The hardship was having to create the impossible scenario that would allow Kratos to even touch Asura.

>>149760705
Based on a quick search, it doesn't seem like he did? At least not 616 Hulk. An actual Hulk fan should be able to correct me if I'm wrong. It does seem like Bruce Banner helped repair it, though.

>>149760681
The hardship was having to create the impossible scenario that was capturing even a fraction of lowballed Kratos's power adequately on screen.

>>149760673
You forgot that Showa Godzilla also has magnetism powers strong enough to stop the 40k ton Mechagodzilla.

>>149760734
They did. Hulk wasn't even that pissed off. Super Adaptoid simply ran.

>>149760773
Hah, I see. Seems to be consistent with Darwin, then.
That said, I wonder if it's because their adaptations know about TOBA? In-Universe, at least. I assume that out of universe was just "Hulk is THAT strong".

>>149760704
I’d have rather they kept the storyboards and portrayed Asura as a brainless hypocritical psychopath who’ll gladly destroy the planet his own daughter is on than the half-assed ‘respect’ horseshit they ended up putting out.
It was clear Death Battle was just giving a giant middle finger to Asura’s Wrath and anyone who liked it. Them just embracing it would have at the very least felt more honest.
And it’d have at least been shorter than “Asura humiliation ritual for 6 minutes.”

I saw the fight early. I can't believe they ended it with TOBA and IT having an arm wrestling match.

I saw the fight early. I can't believe they ended it with TOBA and IT having BOUNDLESS sex

I saw the fight early. I can't believe they ended it with TOBA and IT being made into better men by Kratos.

I saw the fight early. I can't believe they ended it with TOBA and IT lecturing the audience on quantum mechanics.

I saw the fight late.

I saw the fight.

>>149760852
Fix your atemporal powers, bro

I am the fight.

I am seeing the fight.

You guys watch the fights?

The fight is watching me early

>>149760653
Would you rather us lust after lolis?

I SHITTED and FARTED

If thread IP count suddenly became visible again, would these threads even surpass single digits?

>>149760890
You're lucky if this board surpasses a single digit IP count at any point of time

OH NO!
HE'S NOT GONNA GO
3 - 0

>SP Jet Jaguar was apparently literally invincible
>Try to find any clarifications for this
>Everything just says that he's literally invincible
>No one has bothered to scan Jet Jaguar's pages from the novelization

>>149760396
So Trump crushes him with Alternate Facts, and Batkek stomps with nonsense. Meanwhile, Hulk just SMASH PUNY LIZARD.
This was your unbeatable hero?

>>149760888
Naruto...

>Checking VS Battle Wiki
>All of Hulk's 1-A tiers are conditional
>Godzilla Ultima's 1-A tier is just its normal state
Oh no

>>149761001
What is TOBA's 1-A tier? Also,
>vsbw

Really hoping Hulk wins just to shut Godzilla fanboys up forever

Really hoping Godzilla wins just to shut Hulk fanboys up forever

>>149760681
>Capcope
>>149760802
Can't humiliate what never had any dimes to begin with, Assura's Wrath has always been the shittiest kind of movie game, the kind that should have died out on SEGA CD. Capcucks only worship it because the 'verses you actually care about are wall level and you know it.

>>149761017
Where?

>>149761007
High 1-A, though that is just a "Will they have TOBA bail out Hulk" question.

>>149761015
Yep

>>149761015
>>149761017
If Hulk loses, I cope by saying they hate him for some bizarre reason
If Godzilla loses, I cope by saying they're too stupid to understand the books
Whomever wins, I cope

>>149761001
Why do you think the tone has shifted from "they won't use Ultima" to "TOBA wins anyway who cares if they use Ultima", markedly ignoring the fact Banner is done for it TOBA has to come out

>>149760296
All that and he still gets punked by Rebirth Gamera
Literally a victim. More reliant on statements than Heisei Godzilla and even that one has a scene where he hypothetically destroys the planet

>>149761022
What’s with you?

>>149761001
The conditions listed are literally just him being angry lol

>>149760255
Then why the fuck did the anime and novel end with the humans winning?

>>149761096
humanity is the strongest in all media

>>149761092
>On the show that keeps giving him a limited anger meter

>>149761096
It's also stated that Godzilla later destroys the timelines where he lost anyway. He just doesn't really care.

>Godzilla in Hell keeps getting wanked because one of the writers said he killed the god of all of IDW comics, which includes stuff like Power Rangers and Transformers
Is that why I keep seeing people calling him OUTERVERSAL of all things?

>>149761114
It wouldn't
IDW isn't a share canon across IPs outside of Hasbroverse which even then is isolated from other Hasbro titles
Anyone who says otherwise is a moron
Power Rangers isn't even IDW, Godzilla in Hell was written before Boom even released an issue of Power Rangers

>>149760376
just use almighty damage lmao

KAIJUFAGS OUT!!!! THIS IS A HULK AND NIKO THREAD!!! ALL KAIJUS ARE BANNED, INCLUDING CHUDZILLA!!! SO LEAVE OR IT'S THE ASS VOID FOR YOU!!!!

If you think you're so smart, solved this page

>>149761238
ESLzilla...

>>149761240
>>149761258
It's 0257, and I haven't been able to sleep...

>>149760305
>ericposting here of all palces

Concerning Singular Point Jet Jaguar: He apparently became an invincible super computer with infinite processing speed and acausal abilities. He also fought Godzilla Ultima a billion times and lost every single fight, with the last victory coming from an actual fluke in the narrative that allowed him to temporarily banish Godzilla.

>>149761096
Because CHDmanity is the strongest force in fiction and remains undefeated.

I just saw a spic power scaling video say that Ultima beats Composite Goku...
Hulk bros, I'm scared...

>>149761108
That just comes across as the writers retconning shit

>>149761309
Godzilla is the writer in this case, yeah
>IT is actually the manifestation of Toho's lawyers

Ultima feels like gifrel
Literally “Uhhh that loss didn’t count because I said so.”
Considering SP is over and doesn’t have any new content coming out, you’d think they’d just leave it at that, but it feels like Toho said “No, he can’t lose.” Or some shit like that

>>149761280
>all palces
ESLendie......

>>149761314
>The SP novels are just Godzilla seething and trying to justify his L like that Tai Chi master who got punked by an MMA fighter

There's nothing worng with being ESL

>>149761319
The novelization has been out for over two years, AFAIK. It's just relatively obscure because it's Japan only and written by a guy who expects you to know quantum mechanics at minimum. Toho just gave him free reign to over explain almost every single aspect of Godzilla's powers in the most "physics following" way possible. Ironically, this also made Ultima absurdly OP.

>>149761334
See
>>149761321

>>149761320
>esl
Ericposter, you lost.

>Hulk has to have boundless strength, speed, immunity to any and all hax, immortality and a revive mechanic in order to score a win in DB
Maybe Hulk bad at fighting?

>>149760462
CHADath = not found
Fraudulent comic book "science"? everywhere

>>149760641
Hulk really should be matched up against Mazinger Zero instead. Zero might give Hulk a fair fight

>>149760296
this is somehow "deleting timelines"

>hulk effortlessly punches through dimensions to cancel out Godzilla Ultima's "science" bullshit
>banner quickly figures out how to put an end to Ultima whil inside the personality realm thing
>immediately swaps out with Hulk and puts the plan into motion within a second of appearing in the real world
>swaps back to World Breaker Hulk and destroys whatever form of Godzilla is left iwth a single planet busting punch

>>149761750
...And then Hulk woke up at the beginning of the loop where he inevitably loses against Ultima.

>>149761750
>hulk effortlessly punches through dimensions
Scans.

>>149761757
Hulk can shatter infinitely complex multiversal dimensional barriers and he has dealt with far more complex time loops before.

>>149761760
Wow, that's almost Omega Point level!

>>149760305
>>149761280
breh

>>149760660
This is some of the worst animation i've seen DA give and honestly , the fight deserves it

Hulk scales to at least Galactus level, so if you can't show a version of Godzilla who could conceivably defeat Galactus without any effort, it won't stand a chance against Hulk.

>>149761760
That Gorilla was beyond Outerversal

YABBA DABBA DOO I can't wait for Bruce CHADnner to solve my post-graduate algebra problem and banish me back to my KEK dimension FOREVER!

I've been busy discussing Lost Soul Aside and NInja Gaiden 4 for the past week. What's been going on here, lately?

>>149761775
SHITvelposters will yap about GaKEKtus being Infinitely Complex SHITTERversal and pretend an arbitrary statement like that makes him powerful because they don't know how math works.

>>149761779
The Incredible Do-Everything Mary Sue, I kneel

>>149761779
explain how banner will explain this

>>149761793
>explain how banner will explain... a standard input-output processor system
?

>>149761799
>can't explain it
Yup yup, Banner is a "smart" person written by idiots.

>>149761799
I also regularly use closed timelike curves (xeelee level science) to create and understand exotic causality-bending higher dimensional matter. It's simple really.

>>149761801
...In his dreams after he was subsumed by GODzinger ZERO.

>>149761807
What can that puny thing do against a robot that scales to the members of the Justice League?

>>149761810
It's a Super Robot therefor Mazinger Zero already subsumed it.

>>149761819
What the fuck is a "super robot"?

>>149761801
>DCKEKS getting uppity again
Wakey wakey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBnBa9h406s

Orthogonals? I diagonalize them.
Super-dimensions? I calculate them.
Archetypal higher-dimensional molecules? I self-similarly rotate them.
My name?

>>149761829
Jet Jaguar...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-CvNxRs5Zs

>>149760229
>I forgot that Godzilla Ultima can just ignore dying
Godzilla Ultima is kinda cheating. It doesn't really ignore dying so much as the reality warping construct inside it just recreates Godzilla around itself if the one around itself dies.

There is a dead Godzilla in the fucking show even before the one running on hax gets taken out. Clearly the living thing that is Godzilla can and does die.

Course Hulk cheats too with his Green Door bullshit.

>>149760255
>>149760271
>>149760276
>>149760296
That's not deleting timelines. That's literally just spider-sense.

>>149761846
post spiderman deleting facts

>>149761825
This picture makes my entire cosmology quake in fear...

>>149761334
stop saying this retardation it's all random made up shit. "uhh he can ignore facts" "his breath is made of condensed timelines" it's all magical meaningless shit

>>149761846
>the reality warping construct inside
so Godzilla Ultima is just a Godzilla with a Hogyoku, i see

>>149761866
>it's ok when hulkfags wank Hulk to metafictional levels

>>149761866
see >>149761238

ENOUGH. It's clear to me only a certain caliber of intellect is capable of discussing Godzilla Ultima vs Hulk.
Your PhDs in ANY field of Mathematics or Physics. Post them. NOW.

>>149761849
>post spiderman deleting facts
That's what fucking spider-sense is. He *was* going to be hit by an attack until he wasn't. Peter literally fucking alters causality using future knowledge. His power works the exact same fucking way as Ultima's. It's spider-sense bar for bar, minus spider god magic connecting the lizard to a loom of fate knockoff.

>>149761880
Hulk CAN'T...!

If you think about it, Banner's mind is on at least the same level as the entity behind Ultima. Both are multi-dimensional thought machines.

>>149761782
statements like beams that can destroy every penomenon, spacetime and object they encounter and can't be conceptually stopped in any way and also get stopped by regular buildings?

>>149761885
>well actually it's kind of like it so it's the same!
post spiderman deleting facts

>>149761890
but enough about Hulk

>>149761896
>post spiderman deleting facts

>>149761905
That's just him using a sense to achieve precognition, he's not deleting anything.

>>149761782
UltimaKEKS have zero self-awareness.

>>149761871
>>149761873
lol why so angry? I didn't say anything about how strong he is, just that you deperately want the moral high horse because you think the magical dinosaur uses real science

>>149761913
...on opposite day where Hulk doesn't get bitten by Gorillas

>>149760209 (OP)
All hail the Jade Giant

>>149761914
>why so angry
but enough about SULK

>muh hulk can perform higher dimensional calculations inside banner's mind inside the mind palace while world breaker hulk is punching holes dimensions and using his god slaying abilities
Not a mary sue btw

>>149760229
Appearing again 100 years later isn't "ignoring dying" and is in fact slower than Hulk's slowest Regen.

>>149761918
...On normal day where Godzilla struggles to defeat a regular rat.

>>149761896
>it's kind of like it
No, it's not kind of like it. It is exactly the same mechanically down to the same weakness (that being neither can produce outcomes that can't happen, only outcomes that wouldn't have happened but for future knowledge).

Literally the only difference is where they get their future information.

>>149761908
>he's not deleting anything.
He's deleting the fact he was going to be harmed.

>>149761924
Ultima is not bound by linear time, 100 years later may as well be an instant to it (nevermind that it time travels passively)

This will be my final post on /co/.

How can anyone think that this is cool for real ? How can anyone take seriously a vs match with Banner as a supposed to be smart winner? How can anyone see the Hulk as a Godzilla killer for real in this show?
"Ouh, Banner is solving, so intelligent, this is so amazing guys..." why are you lying to yourself like that ?
You guys are just forcing onto yourself the new fade there will be in this hivemind of a board, with the blandest, tamest, most classicly safe verdict there can be, while your selective outrage is shitting on Kratos VS Asura for things that would be praised if the winner was someone else, but NOOOOOOOOOOOO you have to shit on it even if it's accurate because the hivemind dictates you to do so !!!

No wonder you can't get laid, but guess what ? I got a girlfriend now. For the first time of my life after 24 years I finally got a girlfriend, and all that nerd fuss has become so irritating since.
I'm just leaving for good now, I had plenty of fun with that board but I'm done. I wish you to get girlfriends to, maybe it will open your eyes about the hivemind that is destructing your self, but sadly, the hivemind is probably keeping you away from being able to seduce anyone, so you're most likely trapped in a spiral of emotion, and sadly, there is no Simon the Digger to save you from it. I just hope that this message will maybe help you to think by yourself a bit more and to get a girlfriend to.

Enjoy your episode.

>>149761926
>It is exactly the same mechanically down to the same weakness (that being neither can produce outcomes that can't happen, only outcomes that wouldn't have happened but for future knowledge)
Mazinger Zero would gape both of them. Hell, Z can do that even before it transforms into Zero.

t-there's some shit book I didn't read full of retcons and gary stu writing, but it also has lots of made up schizobabble science so i'm right and good and deserve to win out of moral superioriy!

>>149761926
>Well uhm, I can CHANGE fate (i can't) with the spider sens- what do mean that's not FACT changing and is instead PRECOGNITION?! YOU'RE LYING!
Kekkypoo

>>149760255
Why do people keep just making up shit about Ultima? Are they trying to make sure DB doesn't use it by making the available English information surrounding it too dubious?

Ultima will just steal Hulk's birthday cakes (every single one he ever got) and win tht way

>>149761937
Simon...

>>149761943
>Ultima is Lex Luthor now

>>149761939
Spider-Man can literally explicitly change fate.
>what do mean that's not FACT changing and is instead PRECOGNITION?!
Precognition is fact changing as described in the godzilla scene you are referencing.

Also that's just what precognition is generally outside of Watchmen.

>>149761948
Spiderman is still not changing facts no matter how much wank you apply anon.

RUN! IT'S GODZILLA!!!

>>149761956
Marvel...

>>149761950
>Spiderman is still not changing facts
Describe changing facts in a way that applies to Godzilla and not Spider-Man as it relates to any scene where that exact phrase is used.

I'll wait.

>>149761960
explain how spiderman dodges godzilla changing facts to hit him (hint: precognition doesn't change facts so it won't work)

Hulk operates on a level of power Godzilla simply couldn't even comprehend btw

Ultima has Imagine Breaker, The End, All Fiction, can deal almighty damage, has Spiral Power, is a taoist cultivator, manipulates the plot, knows every magic spell ever, has Yogiri's instant death power, can manipulate boundaries, is a master of hokuto shinken, has gate of babylon is literally infinite in every stat, always has two untapped islands and a counterspell in his hand, everything that ever happens is because he wills it. the book says so. not a mary sue btw.

>>149761885
I have to agree with this anon here. pre-cog can alter the future but only if actions are taken. examples:
>for spider sense: getting hit by x is a fact. he sees that. he dodges. dodging it removes that fact from the universe. this alters the universe's future.
spiderman needs to be strong and fast enough
>for Diavolo's epitaph: getting hit by x is a fact. He sees that. Diavolo briefly removes himself from the verse. this removes his facts. this only alters Diavolo's future.
Diavolo ignores stats. He can dodge anything, even attacks that would kill spiderman.

Godzilla Ultima seems like a mix between the two. it lives outside reality but still has the basic Godzilla's stats.

>>149761967
I asked you first, coward.

>>149761971
>Fanfic Wikia
Hulksissies...

>>149761977
I literally read the comic where he killed Hypnos. Dunno what the other thing is referring to, it's so vague.

>>149761973
>Godzilla Ultima seems like a mix between the two. it lives outside reality but still has the basic Godzilla's stats.
just realized Ultima could die to GER and, as consequence, to Joker...

>>149761982
Shoulda made true Godzilla this.

>>149761975
I am not obligated to answer some retard who equates prediction + mobility with reality warping, anon
The scans never offer any explanation that it's anything but Godzilla changing fact. We already know that Ultima is basically fucking around, the only reason it doesn't do anything to win is because of that + Jet Jaguar/SHIVA.

>>149761994
Causality breaks down around Ultima tho

>>149761996
>precog is prediction
breh

>>149762005
Not really. It behaves and reacts according to linear casual reaction with other mundane beings.

>>149761994
well yeah, the same reasoning for almighty attacks working on ger would apply to him too

>>149762013
...Which is why it enabled the defeat of itself from the future without regard for its own causality (and doesn't cause a paradox by doing this) and is explicitly stated to be able to destroy causality by attacking.

>>149762005
>casuality bre—
GER
nevermind that. now i'm curious. that is due to the singurality, no?
like if you'd give that to Kratos, then you'll get Kratos Ultima (Kratos would adapt enough as to alter facts and see timelines. kwab)
how did Godzilla get that... this >>149761793 again?

>>149761940
All of Kratos's scaling was dubious and they went full throttle with that shit. Why did they want to pretend like they have standards now?

>>149762031
>Kratos wouldn't adapt
oops

>>149761923
He needs this, or you’re low balling him

>>149760255
Last week:
>Actually, if Ultima loses, it's because it allowed itself to lose
Now:
>Actually, Ultima deletes every timeline where it loses
How do these combined ideas accommodate for the ending of Singular Point? Where it not only loses, it's implied to have lost before In the past, which gives the impression losing was not it's intention.

>>149762031
>how did Godzilla get that... this >>149761793again?
That's an Infinite Speed Computer, SHIVA. It's an incarnation of IT, like Ultima. Meaning that Ultima is basically similar to the computer just by existing. SHIVA was based on archetype.

>>149762034
Cause there was no language barrier there.
They actually used the same excuse for Megatron.

None of this shit will be included in the death battle. They will punch each other and when the smoke clears one if them will be standing, just because.

>>149762045
>Where it not only loses, it's implied to have lost before In the past, which gives the impression losing was not it's intention.
It's both
>Humans used archetype to figure out how to make Ultima lose the second time
>Ultima already made itself lose once by augmenting humanity against it somehow
>the only reason they have archetype to make it lose is because Ultima already made itself lose
>novel implies it's fucking around

>>149762058
>somehow
>implied
flowery language. building level.

>>149760279
>First friendzoning him
>Now turning him into a toilet
Nintendo higher ups got infiltrated by the rainbow hairs...

>>149762055
They will use TOBAwank for Hulk
Godzilla will get nothing
Pity win

>>149762099
>Godzilla hoping Death Battle's new Singular Point translations miss all the building level feats

>>149762048
you made me look it up and i ended up reading half the page regarding ultima in vsbattles written by arceus0x
Do they really not have a single feat with regards to soul/spirit?

>>149760681
>>149760673
I believe that, if Death Battle didn't get kickstarted back to life, DevilArtemis would have kept Kratosura as a side project to progress upon at his leisure. It would have given him more time to grow as an artist and become more familiar with the rigging technology that DI4D type facial capture employs. We would have likely seen more video game environments instead of generic temple and generic blue DA finale space.
But given Death Battle operates on workage timelines, DA was probably working himself to the bone to get the animation we got.
Mind you, there is likely some cut animation from where DA had to convince Ben and Chad to let him change the animation away from the storyboard and also the alternate ending.

>>149761996
>The scans never offer any explanation that it's anything but Godzilla changing fact
If you ignore the rest of the page including an explicit description of Godzilla choosing timelines to follow.

Also, if you don't know what it is, you can't say it isn't spider-sense.

>>149762315
the eternal weakness of scienceKEKs

>>149760483
>Reacts to and CATCHES speedster who can cross the world almost instantly and be in two places at once

Viltrumites are so FUARKING powerful...

>>149761096
As I understand it, it is because the entity (Godzilla Ultima) that Godzilla (physical lifeform) originates from doesn't want to see things end that way.

Could Gadget kill/catch Lupin iii?

>>149761996
>I am not obligated to answer some retard who equates prediction + mobility with reality warping, anon
Changing facts in this context isn't fucking reality warping, dipshit. No need to turn this shit into King Crimson when it's never fucking described as such.

Part of its motivation for attacking is to eliminate the possible future where it was destroyed. Shit was just 2 psychics fighting over the future.

>>149762051
>>149762051
What's? With Megatron they straight up said they only using 2 sources same with Frieza. Them not using alternity Megatron had nothing to do with it being dubious

>>149762055
Hulk will become Breaker-Apart

>>149762471
>Megatron

Hulk at his most lowballed is simply in a different league from even the "strongest" Godzilla

>>149762443
Probably but it will be entirely by accident/Penny and Brain will do the grunt work of setting up the circumstances that allow it to happen. I can't see him doing it intentionally.

Godzilla is simply as strong as the narrative needs him to be. It's like the Anti-Spiral, but sometimes Godzilla is a good guy.

>>149762493
Hulk at his most lowballed gets punked by Batman

If Hulk is so strong, fast, and smart, why doesn't he just stop all of the problems in Marvel himself?

Wait...there are ACTUALLY people present who believed Megatron could beat FREEZA? I'm having a laff!

Is the epsiode dropping this sunday?

Hey hey /dbg/! How is it going?
I've been out of these awful threads for a couple of days
Any news about our current match? Or just anything interesting happening here at all?

>>149762537
No. It comes out on august 17th.

>>149762541
Godzilla is a schizo-lizard with narrative powers that requires a PhD to understand what he even does, apparently

Why don't they do a spiderman royal battle? Including the cartoons too.

Ultima is a bad guy so Hulk will win

>>149762579
TOBA isn't a bad guy? He's literally satan

>>149762541
The threads are finally centered around Hulk vs Godzilla shitflinging, with people posting screenshots from the novel, which states that Ultima sees reality as a dream within a dream and moves between timelines or some shit like that. And the animation preview released not too long ago: https://youtu.be/DBXNH9opshU

Post yfw Godzilla goes 3-0 and Hulk gets sent to the Ozone club

>>149762381
God I hate the world building in Invincible. Nolan isn't a particularly impressive Viltrumite but can do this. Viltrum already restructured society around strength and domination.
They can travel intergalactically in weeks and even their pollitimilitaristic opponent in the form of the CoP are weaker and slower than them by a far margin.
How do they not have the entirety of the observable universe conquered if their species once numbered in the millions?
How did a virus manage to spread so thoroughly in a population that had bases across multiple galaxies?

>>149762509
>Godzilla is simply as strong as the narrative needs him to be.
You're thinking of The Incredible Writers' Pet

>>149762541
Not reslly, we are just shitpostin.

Pretty ironic how the very being giving Hulk the decisive victory in this match is called TOBA. That means "butthole" in Brazilian.

>>149762577
Yeah we can finally prove Miles is the number one

>>149762594
Nolan is a renowned "hero" among the Viltrumites and one of the top tiers.

>>149762594
Kirkman is a hack.

>>149762586
TOBA won't be used

Downplayers will try to claim this isn't Hulk

>>149762594
the scourge virus was made of smart atoms

>>149762532
i mean freezypop has no counter to antimatter which should have annihilated him immediately lol

>>149762645
I'd understand if the angle was "This isn't Banner", but Hulk is the one in the billing.

>>149762645
It's not. Cope

>>149762381
Let's not forget the creator confrimed that each viltrumite is more powerful than Superman. And even a weaker version of Mark stomped Spawn multiple times.

>>149762659
Hulk could punch every one of them out and Banner could think of ways to defeat them in nanosesconds.

>>149762615
Does Hulk's cum look like this

>>149762674
Hulk has already been scaled above Eternity by DB themselves

>>149762659
These jobbers? Broly's victims.

>>149762669
Kirkman is a petty hack, yes.

>>149762471
Why did they even mix and match two separate continuities with Megatron instead of just using Japanese G1 when he was facing a Japanese character?
It literally makes less sense. Sunbow G2 and IDW don't even share a universe. They essentially made Megatron a pointless low tier composite and I can't figure out why.

>>149762687
>Gets scaled above Eternity
>Still loses
This is going to be Simon VS Kyle 2

>>149762704
Ultima has no feats lol

>>149762723
Neither does Kratos and he still beat Featsman Asura.

reminder
>TOBA Hulk: OH MY SATAN I HAVE THE HECKING POWER OF GALACTUS (weaker then current Hulk)!!! AND I CAN HECKING KILL IMMORTALS VIA ??? (except King In Black Eddie Brock)

>>149762669
Kirkman was just beng honest. It's nothing personal

>>149762723
Godzilla? Doesn't need feats or statements. Just is.

>>149762727
meanwhile
Titan Hulk: I AM FAR STRONGER THEN CURRENT HULK (above Galactus) AND I'M SO STRONG I PUT MY WRITER INTO A CAR CRASH THUS ENDING MY STORY EARLY BEFORE I DESTROY THE OMNIVERSE

>>149762687
Eternity was always so fucking CATTY to Adam Warlock. I've never seen a more sassy abstract than when the whole council got together for Adam Warlock's trial after Infinity Gauntlet. Do you think he was just projecting Adam's manipulative, coy and at times condescending attitude back at him?

>>149762727
meanwhile
>Titan Hulk: I AM FAR STRONGER THEN CURRENT HULK (above Galactus) AND I'M SO STRONG I PUT MY WRITER INTO A CAR CRASH THUS ENDING MY STORY EARLY BEFORE I DESTROY THE OMNIVERSE

>>149762726
Good thing Hulk beats Zilla by feats and scaling then

>>149762749
>>149762738
DELETED AND FORGOT THE IMAGEulk...

>>149762723
If Thor is so powerful how come he's always stuck fighting street level enemies with his friends in Avengers?
Someone is lying

>>149762727
meanwhile
>Titan Hulk: I AM FAR STRONGER THEN CURRENT HULK (above Galactus) AND I'M SO STRONG I PUT MY WRITER INTO A CAR CRASH THUS ENDING MY STORY EARLY BEFORE I DESTROY THE OMNIVERSE, I AM THE HULK'S HULK

>>149762759
He's just having fun

>>149762703
This why DeathBattle allowing composite and non canon version of a character to be used was a mistake. Because now when a character lose it's always why didn't they X version ?

>>149762669
>a weaker version of Mark stomped Spawn multiple times.
This isn't the flex DB would have you believe. In the old continuity, Spawn was city block level for like 90% of the comic. The hax version from near the end of McFarlane's original run has a different design.
His base is stronger in the current comics, and he has more consistent hax, but that continuity literally didn't exist when Invincible was published.
Incidentally, I don't think people fully grasp how insulting Kratos original loss to Spawn was.

>>149762755
Why is Hulk always picking on the '98 mutated iguana? Doesn't he know he's fighting GODzilla?

>>149762772
Streetos...

>>149762625
Sure, but Conquest and the Honor Guard seem like they would be stronger given Viltrum society. But also the absurd gap in strength between Mark and Thragg even though Conquest was the #2 guy is crazy.
>>149762627
I have so many gripes I can keep going.
Another thing, Viltrum wanted to have a true breeding species fron which they could repopulate from, but seemingly only Nolan succeeded... twice?
Viltrum has metallurgy and technology that can withstand their strength and speed (Kreeg and Conquest's cybernetics), but no one else has managed to replicate it (not even Robot, Mauler Twins, Sinclair, Angstrom, Thadeus).
They have vassal planets that they somehow have to maintain through lies and subterfuge, even though they are so far and above every other species in the setting that a Coalition of Planets needed to be formed in order to mount a strategy against Viltrum?
Also as a bonus, the cartoon makes things worse since the species that made Tech Jacket's techjacket are a member planet of the CoP. Their tech is such that it magnifies the wearer's attributes but because they are a physically weak species they get boosted to slightly above human tier, but a human gets buffed up to Tech Jacket tier. Imagine if Thadeus or Allen adopted that tech for themselves.

Godzilla should outdo Hulk in terms of battle experience and IQ, right?

>>149762791
>Imagine if Thadeus or Allen adopted that tech for themselves.
Immortal. It's time for his redemption. Kirkman needs to drop whatever racist Ku Klux Klan Confederate grudges he has against Abe Lincoln

>>149762791
Thragg is like the Andre the Giant of Viltrumites, a genetic monster. I would say Nolan is firmly in the top 5% of Viltrumites.

>>149762763
Yup yup, unlike JOBtima who needs people to make up shit for him getting RAPED and GAPED by Imperial Japan, Hulk and Thor have tons of statements to show they're just playing around and could kill everything if they choose to but don't

>>149762776
All overgrown lizards are Zilla to Hulk

>>149762813
>Immortal was Lincoln
Doesn't that mean that in universe he should be extremely ugly

>>149762836
He had time to get plastic surgery

>>149762849
ESLzilla...

>>149762849
But Thor won that fight

>>149762885
By lowering the power of his hammer.

>>149762836
Also does that mean his durability is secretly derringer tier

>>149762820
Of living Viltrumites by the time the story takes place? Nolan is a fraction of the top 1%

>>149762849
what happened here?

>>149762648
I figure you're memeing, but that brings up another thing. For as much as any analysis of Viltrumite characters bring up Smart Atoms, they are only mentioned in the guidebook. They aren't even uinique to Viltrumites as the Immortal, Atom Eve, and (if I recall correctly) Allen all owe their unique physiologies to Smart Atoms according to the guidebook.
Smart Atoms are also just effectively a magical notion in the guidebook, since the Solar Disks that empower some supersuits are also Smart Atom tech. They work in day and night unless you think that because they have the name Solar that they are sun powered, then they don't work in the dark.
To give some additional context, the guidebook was made two years before Conquest even appeared in the comic.

>>149762923
A guy made Thor's hammer infinite. Then that happens right after that scene.

>>149762939
like infinite weight? Odin's a fucking monster if his enchantment can still move it

>>149762950
Yes. Infinite everything. Weight and power. Thor was only able to use a tiny fraction of its power in that issue.

>>149762897
... That looks better for him.

>>149762910
Well no, less than 50 Viltrumites remaining and many of them being weaker than Nolan (as a result of Allen's observation that some are just weaker than others) wouldn't actually raise Nolan's percentile, but rather reduce it.
If we assume 50 Viltrumites exist, then the #1 Viltrumite (Thragg) must be in the 2%, because each Viltrumite is 2% of the species. This would force Nolan's percentile down a lot.

>>149762669
Spawn is a jobber

Personally I find both versions and black and white shipping to be hot because I like contrasts in lovers. Blacked? Bleached? All hot to me!

>>149762976
Popeye...

>>149762976
KINGtosSCHOLAR

Breaker-Apart destroys Godzilla's simple and tiny "multiverse". End of fight.

>>149762975
He really is. It's honestly insane how much McFarlane Spawn's his ass get beat in his run.
Even his big Man of Miracles feat is essentially showing that even if he jobs, you can't kill him.
Mcfarlane was really bad about just giving him a chance to kick ass.

>>149762987
Everybody but Popeye won

>cuck shit again
You people need help

>>149762987
>Censoring Bluto's titties

>phoneposter
KWAB!

>>149763011
This thread is one man's excuse to post about his fetish.

>>149762971
Trufax but what if Nolan simply has one quadrillionth of a single percent of the best smart atoms then wise guy?

Can you take on Batman

>>149763038
The Bats? Are you crazy?! I'll just punch the lights outta Wayne if you askin' me!

>>149763038
No. Batman could probably take The Presence down if he had to.

>>149763038
>same height, weight
... You don't think...

You should be able to solve this, /dbg/

If Oppenheimer is the father of the atomic bomb, and Gojira is a living allegory for the atomic bomb, Does that mean Gojira is a jew?

>>149763116
IIRC, Jewish-ness is past down on the mother's side

>>149763038
Are you crazy? Don't you know that everyone gets to live because Batman and Joker CHOOSE not to kill them?!

>>149763123
Tommy Pickles…

>>149763036
Then he would still not change in ranking, but of all the Smart Atoms in the Invincible universe he would happen to have those that rest within the 1 × 10e-15 percentile in terms of quality. This is an abstract quality of course, but it would suggest that there would have to be at least 7 × 10e42 Smart Atoms in the Invincible setting.

>>149763116
There's nothing new under the Sun, idiot. Nuclear weapons were invented 33 civilizational collapses ago by proto humanoid synapsids in the Triassic Period

What's Hulk gonna do when Ultima just rewrites the timeline again and makes Hulk have incest babies with his cousin?

>>149763153
>>149763159
>Ultima helps Hulk get with his hot cousin
Ultima is truly a hero...

>>149763153
I saw he anime and I don't think he ever did anything like that.

so Ultima has law manipulation but Hulk can resist law manipulation but Ultima can fuck with law manipulation being manipulated
so what I want to know is where's the caveman?

>>149761923
none of this is even remotely accurate to how Hulk actually is in comics, you know

>>149763189
Oh so just like 99% of the abilities people made up for Ultima

>>149763189
That's literally how the explained the retcon of how no civilians died in WWH.

>>149763202
It's literally in the book

>>149762813
Seeing as it multiplied an average/bellow average human to contending with Conquest tier (since Tech Jacket fought and defeated an evil Mark and Mark was strong enough to 'tie' against Conquest), then it would likely elevate The Immortal to a level of power that could easily eclipse Thragg.

>>149763202
I really don't have a stake in this one
but yes this is exactly how all talk about power levels goes here
none of this shit is reflected in the source material

>>149763218
I'm not reading that shit

>>149763218
The book that people always seem to struggle finding evidence from that isn't vague mumbo jumbo that doesn't actually reflect what they're saying
>>149763224
Fair enough

Hulk needs to calculate how to have a successful movie first

>>149763235
It's not even vague, though. Just read it.

>I can't read japanese scifi so it doesn't count
KEKAROO

>>149763236
Easy, make Hulk a supporting cast member.

>>149763243
HBOCulk is real

What makes Spider-CHAD the most popular fictional HERO!!!!

Tokyo S.O.S Godzilla vs Bana Hulk
Who wins?

>>149763271
He's relatable and he isn't a hyperwanked do-everything-man in his regular state.

>>149763237
I've read every scan people have posted from the novel and it honestly just reads like U-Foes fodder

>>149763271
Not surprised Glasgow has so many Spider-Man fans considering the amount of browns that infest that city

>>149763276
Doesn't Kiryu Saga Goji scale off of the Absolute Zero cannon?

>>149763296
Yes

>>149763271
FUARKKKK!!! Another billy incoming.

>>149763295
It's mostly saars and pakis, so they'd be Hulk fans instead.

>>149763271
>CHADulk and Spider-CHAD are the MCs
Bruce GODnner is TEACHING Peter.

>>149763102
I can't...

>>149763348
>calling ruffalo GOD

You want this KEK to fight Ness?

>>149763348
>Hulk relying on others to carry his movies again
Yup yup yup

>>149763369
Raj, explain me how this is related to your fetish.

>>149763348
MCU Bruce will be teaching nothing besides How To Job 101

Ness is going to rape Papyrus in front of Cucky Sans

>>149763369
No. Ness is for soloing Frisk and Chara.

>>149763348
>GODvel's number 1 and 2
Yup.

>>149763401
>MCUlk can't handle some air waves
>meanwhile https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kn7egHnrkE

>>149763450
>number 2
Nice try.

>>149763462
hulk died after this

>>149763462
BOOOOOMM!!!!

>>149763462
Do Wolverine's claws scale to Galactus?

>>149763411
Post Ness destroying the universe
Post Ness destroying something planet level without relying on other people's prayers.

>>149763474
>most issues published
meme metric

>>149763478
Post Frisk destroying the universe
Post Frisk destroying something planet level

Dandadan just got it's own version of stand stats
Remember these because I'm sure DB will use them to wank someone somehow when we get our first DDD chapter

>>149763522
>sex

actually if they do give Ultima all those wacky novel feats does Hulk have any way of dealing with them besides solving his equation? I mean TOBA Hulk was prevented thanks to time travel

>>149763563
>TOBA Hulk was prevented thanks to time travel
A lot of people miss this but this isn't actually the case. The comic says that when the bug was sent into the past, the future timeline shown wasn't wiped out and continued to exist. TOBA Hulk is still around destroying at least one version of the 9th Cosmos.

>>149763563
Hulk outstats and scales above characters who do everything Ultima does but more >>149762659 according to DB themselves
Even if you want to say Hulk can't reach or kill IT he can destroy the avatar and this will render IT inert for decades which is a win as far as DB is concerned

>>149763644
What do any of those characters do beyond punching hard?

>>149763629
That's in line with the Future Imperfect Hulk storyline too. Maestro's future exists no matter how 616 plays out.

>>149763563
Punch a hole through the multiverse and use World Breaker Hulk + his latent divine being killing powers to kill the thing behind Ultima.

>>149763695
punch even HARDER

Is this accurate?

>*carries hulk to victory*
Nothing personal, lizard.

>>149763474
>most solo titles published
Hulksissies need this worthless metric to be relevant...

>latent fanfiction powers
*yawn*

>>149763728
why don't they just wait till Luffy's shitty stamina fucks him over and then kill him?

>>149763695
Hulk was already scaled above Eternity and Galactus in the preview
>Godzilla can make facts not occur
>>149762659 basic M-bodies can do this
>Godzilla perceives the real world like a TV show
>>149762672 eternity's children perceive marvel as a library
>>149760462 even "low tier" dimensions in marvel like the Astral Plane that even the most basic high tier is transcendent of are composed of narrative and thought
>godzilla views the past, present and is a hyper evolving being over infinite timeloops
>>149762687 eternity does that
>Ultima is infinitely dimensional
>>149762723 even Thor hits that benchmark
>godzilla can adapt to anything and become endlessly more powerful
>>149760645 Darwin, a character who could adapt to Hela, a being that threatened omniversal armageddon while fighting Mephisto, couldn't adapt to Hulk

>this is all wank!
Sure, but this is assuming maximum bullshit for both Hulk and Ultima
Otherwise Ultima is just a city tier who eventually deletes the universe by manipulating Archetype, and can be stopped long before that point

>hulk's preview is already as viewed as deku's preview which had a 3 week headstart
DIMESulk

>>149763720
I don't think IT is "divine" in the same way the Marvel "gods" are

Hulk feels like an OC made by a 12 year old

>>149763728
>No toonforce
GODffy SMASHES.

>Araki did an interview with Toh EnJoe, author of Singular Point and Self Reference Engine
JojoLORDS......

Maybe the real singular point was.
>I win.
All along..

Japanshit keeps losing in CHAD battle lmao

>>149763843
>Tours of the Black Cock
YUMMY!

>>149763859
KINGtosbro...

>>149763854
Just you wait...They need the MAGIC touch.

>>149763837
>No to-WAIT WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE JUST PLANNING TO TANK MY ATTACKS AND OUTLAST ME? YOU CAN'T DO THAT!!! AAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SAVE ME BUMS OF NIGBERTY

I'm surprised all Marvelfags aren't sweating more, this is looking to be like Simon vs. Kyle, where if Godzilla wins, the whole of Marvel cosmology goes with Hulk.

>>149763728
That’s just a clone of Naruto.
Ichigo is fucked tho

What's stopping Ultima from just going "Nuh uh" whenever Hulk punches it?

>>149763878
Hulk hitting really REALLY hard!

>>149763870
no no Beyonder is still stronger, also that was Jean vs Raven

>>149763878
Because Eternity can do the same thing, yet Eternity was restrained by First Firmament chains while Hulk was not

>>149763875
She's cute.

>>149763890
Maybe Eternity is just weak and likes talking himself up? Ever thought about that?

>>149763875
>"being trans in this city is dangerous!"
>weapon advertises that she is trans

>>149763888
Hulk scales higher than Beyonder

This Ultima and cosmic Hulk shit is so retarded
These two never should have left city level

This fight is simply going to boil down to how much research the researchers can bother stomaching to do, before deciding to just default the answer of who wins down to which sounds cooler on paper than read through a bunch of esoteric bullshit

>>149763890
>chainscaling hax

>>149763905
She just wants to bash some nazi fascist skulls in. That's not a bad thing.

Isn't Hulk aware of any changes done to the timestream? Devil Hulk still knew Peter's identity.

>>149763906
not current Beyonder

>>149763854
Yup, KINGtos won

>>149763870
Hulk isn't the totality of Marvel

>>149763908
most godzilla movie versions would walk over both the 2003 and MCU versions of Hulk to be honest, one of them would probably make for a balanced fight though

>>149763888
They put Simon over all of DC too.
Even pre-retcon Beyonder eventually got his ass kicked by Molecule Man. He was never at the top, it's all people taking shit out of context.

All of this Hulk hyperwank shit is going to be funny when he inevitably gets matched up against another comics character. He could easily one-shot Superman if this thread was to be believed.

>>149763928
EMH Hulk could probably beat a few notable versions of Godzilla based on the Graviton fight.

>>149763930
only above the source which Batkek Negro is also stronger then

>>149763870
The difference is that DCjeets are sniveling cowardly insects who threw their own hero under the bus the minute he lost and were proven to not even have read their own stories multiple times through the Kylemon waiting period.
I do not believe Hulk will lose. But I will still continue enjoy reading what or who he smashes even if he does.

>>149763927
He literally is if they use TOBA, which Hulkfags are arguing for.

Why is Hulk going up against Godzilla anyway?
Couldn't Godzilla go up against an actual strong character like Broly instead of this green fodder?

Can you even imagine the DeathBattle hosts trying to explain Ultima's abilities?

>>149763957
Doomsday crushes all of those fodder

>>149763960
Hulk will break Godzilla on an infinitely complex multiversal scale before that building-level shitter even gets called in

>>149763944
TOBA Hulk is just an avatar of TOBA, why would you give your avatar all your power?

>>149763960
I literally can't, which is why I dont think they will go deeper than what is shown in the anime.

>>149763960
>He's actually an avatar of a higher-dimensional god leaking into reality
>He has GER and general space-time control
>Was defeated using a machine which rotated his molecules in a specific way so that they exited reality
Wow that was hard

>>149763960
>Can you even imagine the DeathBattle hosts trying to explain Ultima's abilities?
They won't, it'll just be contained to black boxes

>>149763919
given that got her her ass beat, didn't seem to work out

>>149763960
Wiz tried to explain Madara's plan and Ultima makes that look like 1st grade homework, so maybe not

>>149763919
Killer Moth is a Nazi?

>>149763919
>>149763982
>She
>Her

>>149763870
Why would I? Research team has already fucked up Hulk's research two times. The fact that Godzilla needs to be giga composited and Hulk still might win is all I need to know.

Singular Point season 2 when?

>>149763922
Well not quite, it is a flexing of the idea that the Green Door is beyond Mephisto's power.

>>149763972
I mean you can argue true TOBA is even stronger, but TOBA Hulk literally destroyed an entire firament. Which requires you to be above everything except TOAA.

>>149763960
This is ultimately why I think Godzilla loses
In order to argue Ultima wins you need to get really deep into the weeds with muh hyperversal dimensional pan temporal spatial quantum gobbledygook and it's still really easy to just argue him as a city buster who only ever threatens a singular finite universe
You can tell they were already annoyed with Tom and Jerry Chase (where people were also making up a billion arguments for that weren't really reflected in the text or were very "powerscaler brained") and this just seems like an exaggerated version of that

>>149764003
Despite all this wank, it did poorly.

>>149763930
By the time Beyonder lost to Molecule Man, they were both already post retcon. It didn't even happen in Secret War II

>>149760209 (OP)
Godzilla is literally a God. He cannot die.

Godzilla is as immortal as Saitama is strong.

>>149763937
They didn't even have Simon as "stronger than DC" at first, they just made him naturally power progress to that by himself in the course of like 5 minutes, especially by throwing the Anti-Monitor and Hal in as scaling for Kyle.

yknow what im suprised there isn't more MUs of?
Vampire the masquerade.

>>149764063
It's part of WOD

>>149764043
That's incorrect, their post Secret Wars II rematch was right before the retcon, and it didn't downplay Beyonder from his Secret Wars II depiction, it used similar scale and verbage.

>>149764057
Hulk's very existence is a manifestation of The One Below All. That puts Hulk at a solid number 3 ranking in Marvel's high level and infinitely complex multiversal cosmology.

>>149764063
Literally nobody has heard of WoD

>>149760209 (OP)
I just watched Hulk's preview and something's been bothering me. They're insinuating the chains Hulk broke were equivalent to the chains Eternity was seen with in the Ultimates, right? Because Hulk's were made out of the First Firmament and it was the First Firmament who BETRAYED AND TRAPPED Eternity? I have an issue with that and it's how Eternity's chains were abstract and metaphorical, not physical, cause from what I recall you also saw him without the chains. It symbolized how Eternity was getting screwed and they were not literally universe-sized chains! But that's another thing! Hulk's chains weren't universe sized either, so it's not even an issue!!

>>149764006
you mean the same Mephisto that can rewrite the meta plot of the Marvel Omniverse and nearly destroyed the House of Ideas?

>>149763944
Well no that would be a misunderstanding. TOBA is spawned from TOAA rather than TOBA being an equal aspect of TOAA. TOAA sealed TOBA away, that's why the Leader needed Hulk as a vessel for TOBA's identity to overwrite. The TOBA Hulk is powerful, but needed a surprise attack to kill Eternity. The Breaker-Apart is TOBA Hulk with the powers that Eternity would have imbued into Franklin or Molecule Man and at a similar power as Galactus.

>>149764006
The same Mephisto that Death Battle put at infinite D like Galactus?

>>149764083
>BETRAYED AND TRAPPED

>Hulk can shatter infinite timelines and multiverses
>Hulk is so strong that characters with instant adaption abilities literally choose to run away instead
>Hulk has ridiculous regeneration and even if he dies he can just pop back out into existence
>Hulk has literal capital G God empowering him
>Hulk has Banner’s insane IQ to fall back on
>Hulk by far has the stats advantage to an inconceivable degree
Legit what is Godzilla supposed to do?

>>149764125
The Do-Everything Mary Sue, I kneel

>>149764125
It's a good thing almost none of these things are actually true

Hulkbro here, just finished reading the Singular Point novel. I immediately burst into tears upon finishing, now knowing my hero is NOTHING in comparison to GODzilla.

>>149764067
Are you talking about FF Annual 27?

I want to see Hulk BTO Mazinger Zero

>>149764014
Yeah, this is really the shit of it

Like it's neat Ultima has all this hax or whatever but it doesn't really have a lot of actual feats and other than maybe draining Hulk, which Hulk can do too, has no way of putting him down, there's no "silver bullet" like Spawn vs Ghost Rider

They've already put Hulk at a level that is entirely incomprehensible to Singular Point's cosmology which is just a single universe with infinite timelines. Like, worst case scenario Hulk just thunderclaps the entire multiverse down the drain and leaps to another one

>>149764068
3? Aren't TOBA/TOAA tied for 1?
Don't give me that divine entity VSVW shit by the way, it's not even one thing. It's just a list of things the editor feels contradicts existing depiction of TOAA which was never static in the first place.

>>149764125
being above infinite dimensional multiverse, which is like a dreams within a dream to IT

>>149764125
DANCE OFF

>>149764143
>i-its not true despite the very scans being posted in this thread
Least dishonest Zillatard.

>>149764156
>Like, worst case scenario Hulk just thunderclaps the entire multiverse down the drain
Not a Mary Sue btw

>>149764170
Almost none of the things said about Godzilla in these threads are true either
Both niggas are building level 99% of the time

>>149764143
Yeah just like all of the things people can claim Ultima can do

>>149764170
nobody was talking about "zilla"

>>149764158
ENIGMA is above TOAA

>>149764177
Hulk is infinite complex multiverse level at minimum. TOBA and TOAA scaling puts him at omniversal or even outerversal scaling.

Hulk/Doomsday/Broly are too much
How about these two near immortal city/mountain level characters?

>>149764177
That's fine, then Hulk wins because he's much faster and square cube law lets him hit harder

>>149764185
that's a lotta fish

>>149764188
cool word diarrhea

>>149764197
also he can punch holes in the multiverse and kill divine beings with his bare fists

Literally none of you know how dimension shit works and it shows.

>>149764197
That would unironically be a much better justification for Hulk's victory than whatever DB is actually going to produce

>>149764197
has DB ever used square cube law?

>>149764084
>>149764091
Yes and yes, but it is a weird read isn't it? He's simultaneously something that arose out of the First Cosmos, but there are multiple Mephistoes in the Multiverse. So does that mean that the Cosmoses are universe bound? Well that wouldn't really make sense either, right?
Also the physical act of time travel was enough to go before TOBA Hulk could exist was enough to stop TOBA Hulk from existing.
Make it make sense. Please. I am begging you.

>>149764189
Berserker explodes Mahoraga in one attack before he adapts

>>149764186
No he isnt

>>149764229
I just made that shit up

Sure hope Hulk has good acid resistance for when Godzilla eats him

>>149764246
>HBOCzilla hiding behind Mina CHADshido

>>149764253
who?

>>149764253
Can you try that again without the spic nonsense obscuring half of the message?

>>149764241
Oh. Well it still doesn't change the fact of Mephisto being First Cosmos old and somehow having variants in multiple universes at the same time.

>>149764159
And IT is a stupid jobber that lost to some kids saying they believed in fairies. So it's a moot point.

>>149764221
Not really a lot of fights where the fighters have an extreme size disparity for that to matter, and the ones that do have retarded stat gaps
Maybe if they ever do dykepony vs Starscream redux?

>>149764267
Reductive faggot

>>149764246
>Godzilla eats Hulk
>Hulk causes him to meltdown
>Godzilla explodes and Hulk is left standing there unharmed

>>149764267
And Hulk was injured by a gorilla.

They should ignore all this cosmic wank shit
Just pick the cool city level versions

>>149764276
>TOBA's avatar
>injured by anything

>>149764067
I'm sure you have it all backwards. Beyonder was retconned in the late 80s in Fantastic Four 319 with Kubik and the Shaper. The fight you're referencing was from an issue in the 90s I believe after the cosmic cube retcon

Hulk beats Doomsday
Hulk beats Broly
Hulk beats Godzilla

>>149764275
>>Godzilla explodes... and reforms himself and walks away like nothing happened

>>149764253
>Hedorah victim out of nowhere

>>149764280
The "cosmic wank shit" has been a core part of the Hulk mythos since 2018.

>>149764305
>Hulk and Godzilla out of nowhere

>>149764189
Mahoraga is neither mountain not city level
The fucker got atomized by a city block level attack

>>149764305
Yes, he said 'Godzilla'.

>>149764125
>>Hulk has literal capital G God empowering him
LEND ME SOME GAMMA RADIATION, TOBA...
THIS IS 1954 GODZILLA WE'RE UP AGAINST...

I genuinely feel sorry for anyone who has to go up against Hulk from this point onwards. His powers border on metafictional at this point.

>>149764189
Berserker from the VN alone without any other Nasuverse wank would one shot jobhoraga

>>149764309
>2018
Wow, when comics were already shit
Cosmicwank for everyone is retarded

>>149764003
>>149761561
>>149763870
Who's this cutie?

>>149764362
>posting Final Wars the film that nerfed nearly every Kaiju in it

>>149764309
And Hulk has been boring ever since Immortal Hulk came out

>>149764284
Yeah guess TOBA likes to let him suffer because it's funny

>>149764382
Mei Kamino. She and the white-haired guy, Yun Arikawa, are the two main protagonists of Godzilla Singular Point. She's a theoretical physics postgrad student and he's a computer scientist and engineer, they work together alongside the rest of the cast to stop Godzilla breaking reality.

IT IS UP!!!
>IT IS UP!!!
IT IS UP!!!
>IT IS UP!!!
IT IS UP!!!
>IT IS UP!!!
IT IS UP!!!
>IT IS UP!!!
IT IS UP!!!
>IT IS UP!!!

>>149764393
post showa godzilla ragdolling hedorah across the horizon

>>149764403
I mean didn't TOBA destroy Bruce's soul in the bad future?

How are SP fans gonna react when SRW Y ignores all this shit and has Getter Emperor give Ultima a noogie, before you fight him as a penultimate boss?

>>149764417
>my penis out of NOWHERE

>He thinks Ultima's gonna have an actual effect on the outcome of the battle.
>He doesn't know that the researchers are just gonna use Godzilla Earth instead as they confused the two netflix Godzillas

>>149764426
>implying SRW is gonna pass up making GOD fucking ZILLA the final boss

>>149764417
>>149764428
>chops it off

>>149764410
Wait all this Ultima schizobabble comes from an anime?
I thought it was a novel?

>>149764466
the novel just expands more on it

>>149764438
Very likely they will pass it up. The only time an original wasn't the final boss was in a wonderswan game.
It's also very likely Emperor will be between the final boss and Ultima, since they tend to reserve original scenarios for after series storylines, and they never actually beat Getter Emperor in Arc.

>>149764466
The novelization is just an expanded version of the anime written by the primary scriptwriter. The anime should be on Netflix.
Personally I really liked it but you need to go into it expecting a hard sci-fi show and not a Godzilla show.

>>149764382
>>149764410
I don't know why but Godzilla tends to have a fair share of nerdy girl characters here and there.
>>149764466
It's from the novelization of the anime, written by the guy who wrote the anime. It follows the continuity exactly but with some extra perspectives and scenes.

>>149764445
You're a male no longer...

>>149764438
It won't be the final boss, but it'll be late-game like Anti-Spiral. They also have the likes of Getter Saint Dragon to deal with too, since that was confirmed in the latest trailer.

>>149764466
No, the anime presents it in a hard science manner and never even implies IT is an entity capable of conscious thought.

>>149764492
I said this to you after chopping off your ding-a-ling

>>149764362
Hedorah tanked that btw

>>149764495
I wonder if they'll do IT then or just the avatar. It'd be cool if they roll out RoboGodzilla as recruitable after you beat Ultima, maybe.

>>149764492
... I never was...

>>149764572
Popeye the Trans Wo-man…

>>149764489
>>149764410
You think a computer science and physicist girl would hook up with a white 180cm guy with no formal education and severe autism?

>>149764548
They aren't likely to use that unless their sure there isn't a SP sequel planned.

>>149764548
I could see that being a secret. It's not like they haven't done that sort of thing before. There's already one confirmed game-original series-based unit in Y too in the form of that white Dynazenon and they're using SRW Mazinkaiser + Mazin Emperor G has been confirmed too, so they're definitely not sticking too hard to canon even for first time appearances.

>>149764593
if you'd be willing to learn about ultima's technobabble, maybe

>>149764593
She's not taken at least, her and Yun don't even meet in-person until the end of the series and are just friends with no romantic implications.

>>149764435
Is there anything Godzilla Earth can bring to the table for composite Godzilla that's even worth mentioning?

>>149764625
Not really. Legendary and Heisei actually have better offensive feats.
And even with its barrier it was still vulnerable to metal weapons that had a similar melting point to aluminum.

>>149764625
Maybe in synergy? It has the shnazzy forcefield but survivability wise ultima, shin and GiH already make him undead, invulnerable and able to regen from cells shunted off of himself

>>149764662
>shin
You can’t be serious lmao. Shin is a total non-factor.

>>149764677
Shin adaptation and physical feats are useless but being able to spawn more of himself from small chunks being blown off is always good

>>149764689
Hulk could just thunderclap the entire multiverse that surrounds Godzilla away.

>>149764693
When did he do that last time?

Hulk after spending 3 weeks trying to kill an overgrown gecko, just to watch a new one with a slightly different design spawn out the red mist after he killed the first

>>149764702
Whenever he wants

>>149764747
Hulk could just irradiate the red mist and turn it into an aspect of TOBA

>>149764759
Why doesn't he do that to everyone he fights?

>>149763792
Just a bunch of suckas lining up expecting to see Hulk win only to get struck down by GODZILLA

>>149763411
G1 had Frisk and Chara femdoming that shota. It's over, he's being MILKED.

>>149764747
It'd be funny of composite Godzilla just meant Hulk has to fight every era of Godzilla

>>149763888
Jean VS Raven was DC VS Marvel. This is the non capeshit dunking on a capeshit cosmology one

>>149763500
Done.
https://youtu.be/PoToC-bQhWU

>>149764689
>more of himself
He’s never done this.

>>149764894
aaaaaaaaaahhh! this brought a smile to my face :)

>>149764693
>things that Hulk never did and never in his wildest dreams could ever do

>>149762652
You'll be besides repeatedly tanking the hakai.Which does the exact same thing as antimatter. Converting matter into energy but with the addition of soul erasure.

>>149764976
didn't his thunderclap reach infinite dimensions which still wouldn't be enough to reach IT

>>149764693
Thats just a single layer of Godzilla infinite dream though. His infinite dreams create even more infinite dreams forever. It's infinite in size and infinitely expanding at an incaluable rate. The multivers Hulk destoyed would quickly be replaced and evolve to withstand the thunderclap from shin Godzilla evolving powers. So Hulk would no long be Multiversal and trapped in a Multiverse beyond him in every measure.

>>149764976
>Inglip thinks TOBA wank is gay
it's so fucking over Hulksisters

Time to move on.

>>149765034
>Things Ultima can’t do nor has ever done

>>149765029
That's been shown to be resistable/overpowerable just by making it devour enough ki in general, like
Toppo vs the final explosion. That is a weakness antimatter doesn't have since it's a reaction at the material level.

>>149765034
I knew this match would turn into a disingenuous wanking contest (like all capeshit matches) , but wow

Considering Hulk scales beyond Eternity, what could actually beat him at this point?

>>149765203
Broly

>>149765203
This shit don't make no fucking sense. Hulk lives in the universe! He is a part of Eternity!

>>149765216
Broly would lose if they ran the matchup today just going off Hulk's preview

>>149765133
>That's been shown to be resistable/overpowerable just by making it devour enough ki in general

>"It doesn't count because *nonsensical headcanon*"

They resist literally everything with ki it's literally power system of verse by this logic no resistance feats the verse has counts.

>>149765225
Hulk strongest one there is

>>149764883
There's an entire scene where they show a computer analysis of how its blown off pieces continue to grow/multiply the cells, and there's a deleted scene (cut due to its grotesqueness) where they show the site in question where he was growing over rubble.
If you didn't watch the movie, just say so anon. In any case, Shin is more like a colony organism than a reptile.