Thread 149762527

Everyone wants it, Gunn is using lazy terms like "everything is in flux" and "not currently the plan," and there's been zero movement on his version of Batman.
Not to mention that The Batman 2 didn't get a filming date until Superman did well.
It's happening.

It might as well. I think this would be hilarious to see on screen because of the clash of tones. A proper type of cross-over that would create something either property couldn't on their own. Like imagine Superman showing up in that grunge ass gotham and following Batman around

>>149762752
the clash of tones is what excites me. instead of putting Superman in a batman shapped box or vice versa why not just allow their movies to be completely different tonally so they can attract different audiences that will come together to make big bucks whenever there is a crossover...you know...kinda like comic books did.

>>149762752
I don’t see how it wouldn’t go to shit. Deadpool vs Wolverine tried this and it was just annoying to watch

>>149762840
>Deadpool vs Wolverine tried this and it was just annoying to watch
And yet did extremely well.

>>149762527 (OP)
Batman who struggles against goons with shot guns is going to be anyway relevant to the super science and super powers introduced in the new super man film. Bat flec at least had decent technology

>>149762527 (OP)
I don't fucking what it. Superman is quintessentially a silver age comic book movie while The Batman is grittier than Nolanbats. If you're going to pair Batman with Superman you want one that's just as fantastic in tone as he is.

>>149762840
It worked in the DCAU.

>>149762527 (OP)
it's more likely to simply drag both projects into oblivion, this is WB we're talking about, it eats Batman and Superman movies and doesn't even spit out the bones

Superman hasn't done anywhere close to well enough to be talking about crossing over with other properties right now

We can still have a gritty batman that's fantastical. It's not hard to do, there is a video game series that did it 4 times in a row. I wonder why it's so hard for people to grasp when it's right there.

>>149763419
DCAU Superman is very different from Gunn Superman

What the DCU needs to succeed is to keep making the exact same movie with the exact same tone over and over and over so people get sick of it like Marvel

>>149763800
Superman is a Marvel movie in tone which is why it's doing worse than Man of Steel.

>>149763856
It's doing worse than Man of Steel because it's coming off of Black Adam and The Flash instead of The Dark Knight

>>149762752
It would be awful. Sure, it's interesting to see how they would make it work, but I assure you that most Gunn fans don't want it to "work". They want the dissonance because it'd be "funny" to see Batman in a frustrated mood acting like he's a fed up older brother.
They're expecting some ironic comedy in the same way they'd like a movie with Cavill Superman and West Batman. It'd be super quirky and full of "jokes". They don't mind the story, but the gags and memes.

>>149763856
It's only doing worse than Man of Steel internationally and that's because everyone hates america right now

>>149763912
The Flash tried to be Marvel.

>>149763949
Nah this is cope, the big difference is that China doesn't care about superheroes anymore. Ten percent of MoS' money came from there. In America itself it's actually doing way better than Man of Steel

>>149763949
That's a bullshit excuse. Nobody goes to the movies and say "I'm not watching Superman because I disagree politically with their government". JP was also made in USA and people loved it.
The rest of the world maybe ain't into effeminate superheroes.

>>149762918

The Batman is the most incompetent Batman of all time. Makes crime worse over two years, inspires a bunch of incels to terrorism. Riddler gives him the answers and he still missed the one that floods the city until it's too late. He never does any actual detective work, he only works on the little puzzles Riddler gives him like he's spending the weekend at an escape room. Riddler is the problem he says, but not once does he try and track down who the Riddler even is.

The film explicitly ends with Batman acting like the patch adams version of a firefighter and says that this is who Batman should be, which is retarded because he'd be way more effective as a billionaire philanthropist who was just also a firefighter with shirtless pics on instagram rather than walking around in broad daylight wearing a bat costume.

>>149762840
>>149762911
The clash of tones exist in the comics. Also, comic Wolverine ain't as grumpy and rough as Jackman Wolverine.
And Deadpool himself had moments of being serious.
It worked because both characters can be serious and relax with some jokes. That ain't happening with The Batman. It'd be like of Michael Keaton suddenly starts to twerk during Returns.

>>149763998
They're just not into superheroes in general. Superheroes are like anime where there's just very little interest outside of their home country

>>149764020
I liked the tone of the movie, the visual aspects of it, and Battinson's take. But when I first watched it, I was thinking something like "I can't believe I'm figuring this out before him".
I give them that this is a young Batman still, but it's obvious this is a case of the writers not being as clever as the characters they write.

>>149764045
That's not true. Anime has been popular outside Japan for decades before it became a thing in US. All genres of it.
Batman and Superman are popular everywhere.

>>149764045
Spider-Man and Goku are universally loved in every country

>>149762527 (OP)
>Everyone wants it
I don't, trying to reconcile the settings of these two films would be retarded and make both worse.

Just let standalone movies exist, only 12 IQ retards can't fathom the idea of a Batman movie existing separately from the rest of the DC films.

>>149764192
I know you're being hyperbolic, but I'm starting to think there is some truth on people demanding Multiverses being stupid because they can't separate different universes in their heads.

It would probably end up being a movie about how Batman feels inadequate next to a literal superman.

>>149764786
Mr Terrific didn't feel useless next to Superman

>>149764764
It;s not that they can;t separate it, its that they don't care and it;s needlessly complicated for what people consider popcorn movies.

>>149764845
Mr. Terrific has better self esteem

>>149764764
I'm not being hyperbolic though. If someone honestly, genuinely cannot understand that the Robert Pattinson Batman character and James Gunn's Superman do not exist within the same universe, that person is too cripplingly retarded to care for themselves and we should not be aiming to dumb down media to their levels.

>>149764933
There's a difference between not understanding and not caring to keep up with it.
I understand Kim Kardashian is divorced from Kanye West it doesn't mean the entire thing isn't too convoluted to give a shit

>>149762527 (OP)
Gunn is retarded if he doesnt merge them

>>149762918
>Batman who struggles against goons with shot guns is going to be anyway relevant to the super science and super powers introduced in the new super man film. Bat flec at least had decent technology
that is LITERALLY how comic book batman is already
the same batman who nearly died from falling off a rooftop in Hush after his grapple hook got cut mid-swing, shattering his arm on a gargoyle breaking his fall and bleeding out in an alley, is the same dude who later gets into fist-fights with Darkseid in Justice League team-ups.
If they go higher power level they can do what the comics do and have him wear a suit of power armor with apokolips tech in it or a pseudo arkham knight outfit. It's not his primary identity the same way Iron Man's is but Bruce is still a gadget hero at the end of the day and has decades of comic-book suits and vehicles he's used to punch above his weight before going back to street level shit being seriously threatened by goons with baseball bats and shotguns.

>>149764997
But he has no control of it, Warner Bros doesn't own Batman or DC or anything Matt Reeves giveth and Matt Reeves taketh away

>>149764973
There is literally nothing convoluted about it. The Batman released in 2022 as a standalone film unconnected to any other films, and was advertised entirely as a standalone film with no implied connection to any other film in existence.

James Gunn released Superman in 2025 very publicly advertised as the start of a brand new connected cinematic DC universe, and has never once tried to imply that The Batman is in any way connected to it, and has in fact stated many times in interviews that it is a standalone project.

If you do not understand this or find it confusing or difficult in any way, go find your handler and tell them you need help retard.

>>149762527 (OP)
I’d prefer Gunn hire his own Batman and out him in trunks.

>>149764020
>Makes crime worse over two years, inspires a bunch of incels to terrorism.
this is literally the way DC portrayed the Joker and Dark Knight universes

>>149765063
>Why are you watching the movies if you aren't reading any of the interviews from the creators to keep up with the continuity?

>>149765073
Put him in trunks*

>>149765073
Don't understand the trunks for Batman. Superman looks bad without them Batman looks fine

>>149762527 (OP)
James Gunn already flip flop teasing Robert Patterson and saying DCU will have it’s own Batman. I have a feeling DCU will do share casting with Batman.

>>149765096
I don’t give a fuck what you understand, it just tells me you’re embarrassed of Batman looking like Batman.

>>149765144
I could see this yeah
Pattinson is DCU Batman
The Batman is an Elseworlds story about Pattinson's Batman where he exists in a different world
Maybe someone like Colin Farrel or Andy Serkis hops over too but it's a new continuity with him at the center

I can’t believe they fumbled the most comic accurate Batman we’ve ever had. He would’ve fit perfectly into the Gunnverse like a glove

>>149765085
You would have to actively try to misunderstand this situation you dipshit.

With zero context whatsoever, it would be painfully obvious to anyone watching either film or a single trailer for either of them that they are not related in any way.

>>149765215
One has Batman and one has Superman. They're DC characters.

>>149765231
Yep, and there were 8 theatrically released Batman films and 5 Superman film (6 if you count Supergirl) before the idea of them crossing over in any way ever came about.

>>149762527 (OP)
I don't want Battison anywhere near Superman. I want a good Batman.

>>149765274
Remind me, when was the last time two different actors were playing Batman at the same time in simultaneously popular and succesful series?

>>149765274
world’s finest comics was already being published before a single Batman or Superman movie ever released in history

>>149765306
Not true, Superman Vs The Mole Men

>>149765287
>>149765306
Who the fuck cares? Normies see a Batman film and their default state of mind is that it's standalone because THAT IS THE OVERWHELMINGLY DEFAULT STATE FOR THEM as far as anyone who doesn't give a shit about comics (most people) cares.

>>149765504
Connected universes are the default for superhero movies now

>>149765532
nobody cares retard, it was the norm when The Batman released and nobody got confused.

>>149765555
I forgot The Batman released in 2009

>>149765320
World's Finest Comics began in 1940.

The first Superman film was the Columbia serial Superman in 1948. Superman vs. The Mole Men was 1951. The first Fleischer Superman cartoon was 1940.

The first Batman film was the Columbia serial The Batman in 1943.

>>149762527 (OP)
I don’t want it.
I want the Brave and the Bold movie with Damian.

>>149764845
Because Mr Terrific can create robots and fly.

Reeves Batman can’t even glide properly.

>>149762527 (OP)
Reeves and Gunn are both producers on clayface of course it’s happening they’d be morons to not do it

>>149766227
Why wouldn't they both be producers on it? Reeves made The Batman and Gunn is the president of DC Studios, it wouldn't make any sense for either of them NOT to be producers.

I just think the contrast between a hardened criminal who killed his brothers when he was a child, killed a mother and son by setting them on fire, has deep rooted psychological issues with his mom to the point he decided to keep her a vegetable against her wishes, chose to torture his nemesis by sending her to arkham to rot instead of mercy killing her, killed his number 1 ally who he trusted with his life so they couldn't use him for blackmail and supergirl and krypto having adventures is too much

>>149762527 (OP)
It could work, but I think making a new Batman for the universe would be the best move. If anything, I think they should make a conscious pivot and feature Batman's more fantastical elements to contrast Matt Reeves' neo-noir tone. Leave villains like Hugo Strange and Professor Pyg to Battinson and keep characters like Ra's al Ghul and Solomon Grundy for the new guy.

>>149764044
>It'd be like of Michael Keaton suddenly starts to twerk during Returns.
That'd be kino.

>>149767061
Then don't read the comics either

>>149765144
>>149765186
this is the worst solution possible

It's all fiction at the end of the day. It can work just fine if the writers put just a moniker of thought into it. Every "bad" idea is only so because people with no imagination or skill say so. That's my two cents. It'd be wiser for WB financially to cross them over and Reeves' feelings on the matter are wholly irrelevant.

The news about Robin might as well be confirmation they're scrapping BatB and reworking Batman II into the DCU.
>>149767119
He doesn't read comics. 99 percent of superhero media consumers don't read comics and wouldn't be caught dead reading one but they're not intelligent enough to watch anything else so they stick with the lowest common denominator media.

>>149767158
I agree, even the shittiest comic book takes much more intellgieince and patience to consume than a movie or show based on the same characters. NPCs will not consume anything that isn't celebrities playing pretend.

>>149767074
yeah, the more I think about it, the more I agree. it would just be boring to have Pattinson’s Batman lug his slow ass self across the Gunnverse.
Batman needs to glide like silk in order to barely keep up with Superman’s shenanigans in the comics. and that’s only a bare-minimum.

>>149767158
No, Batman or Batman's villains and side characters mattering in the same world as Superman is retarded. I swear if James Bond had been part of DC you guys would say failing to combine his setting with Superman's is the result of lack of imagination

>>149767381
>I swear if James Bond had been part of DC you guys would say failing to combine his setting with Superman's

>>149767381
you fundamentally don’t understand street-level heroes

>>149762527 (OP)
I don't know why Pattinson can't simply be the DCU Batman while still being Batman in the Batman Part 2. Just don't acknowledge any of the wackier shit in Batman's solo movies. Hell don't acknowledge any of Batman's solo shit in the crossover films either. Just let Pattinson play him and see how audiences react then decide later about continuity.

>>149768251
It would kill suspension of disbelief and ruin the longevity of the Reeves film. someone watching in the future would just get confused or not be as engaged because they just saw DCU Pattinson do some crazy overpowered sci-fi shit that he’s not doing in the Reevesverse. yes it’s stupid but it will ruin the impact of Reeves films

>>149767158
>It'd be wiser for WB financially to cross them over
This is only true if it's not so awful that people hate it and it doesn't make money, and it would be horrible and people would hate it and it wouldn't make money

>>149768367
I don't think it would if he's shown to be doing more street level shit in his own movies. Also this is separate, but I'd love to see a 'grounded' Batman take on the supernatural. Reeves world isn't right for it, but I hope it happens someday. What happens if a Batman who isn't armed to the teeth with an arsenal of gadgets and ninja moves has to deal with something really fucked up.

>>149768367
>someone watching in the future would just get confused or not be as engaged because they just saw DCU Pattinson do some crazy overpowered sci-fi shit that he’s not doing in the Reevesverse
Who the fuck cares?
The only people who would be "confused" about shit like this are the mega autist power levelfags. Most people won't notice or care.
Plus, it's often been like this in the comics. Batman tends to to be a lot less superhuman in his solo comics while in the JL you get Batgod.

>>149768367
>>149768568
WB was trying to get Bale back as Batman with Cavill's Superman so

>>149762527 (OP)
my biggest worry is that attempts to fold Battinson into the DCU are interfering with Matt Reeves making the sequel he wants to make. when I say I want Matt Reeves Batman in the DCU, I don't mean Robert Pattinson. I mean Matt Reeves Batman.

>>149764141
>I give them that this is a young Batman still
The fuck is the point in having a decade long training arc if he sucks ass after it? Might as well learned on the job.

>>149765155
>it just tells me you’re embarrassed of Batman looking like Batman.
Batman has had a variety of looks, sperg. The trunks ain't important.

>>149762527 (OP)
I wanted a Man of Steel part two instead of sprinting into crossovers and teams. I want a Superman (2025) part two instead of sprinting into crossovers and teams. They shouldn't even use Batman until that universe finishes a trilogy or however many movies it takes for the writers/directors to finish the story they wanted to tell. Let the World's Finest idea rest for a while longer before making another movie about this duo.

A solo Batman reboot would do better than The Ban and Superman

Why would Batman need to be leveled up? I don't see why there couldn't be some mystery in Gotham that leads him to Metropolis and Superman gets roped in. A more cerebral problem that Superman can't just blitz through. but it reveals problems later that Batman can't beat so they team up. Why would Batman need to be more than he was in his movie?

>>149769714
Superman hasn't even done enough at the box office to warrant a Superman 2. Capeslop at the knoplex is in its last years unless they find a way to slash the budgets.

>>149769714
Why must we suffer through movies before getting to the good stuff. Some of the more tangential characters sure, but Batman and Superman have been known to be friends in the public eye for decades. And they better be friends or at least not physical enemies when they appear together. Batman popping up should be as simple as the Justice Gang appearing. Introduce him early and have them work together on a problem. Mister Terrific could have easily been Batman.

>>149769714
They announced that Superman 2 will actually be a Superfamily film.
Could be good. But I'm a bit conflicted. Hopefully, Superman is the main character and Supergirl is a supporting one.

>>149762527 (OP)
dude, gunn isnt that much of a asshole to put his hand on someone else batman

>>149762527 (OP)
I don't James Bum to be anywhere near Matt Reeve's masterpiece. Kill yourself, gunn shill.

>>149762527 (OP)
>Not to mention that The Batman 2 didn't get a filming date until Superman did well.

It not getting a filming date had nothing to do with Superman's performance. The whole reason why Reeves hadn't had the script completed and the film released by now is because he's been privately dealing with cancer. If it weren't for that shit they'd already be working on The Batman 3 by now.

>>149771163
Gunn isn’t as in charge as he presents himself

>>149769765
I hate to break it to you, sister, but they've already shot Supergirl and Zaslav itself just yesterday talked about Gunn writing the script and directing the next "Superfamily" movie.

>>149768251
This is what I'd like to see, too. Keep continuity LOOSE- Marvel made alot of bank and built up hype by having everything very inter- connected, but in the long run we're seeing how that's started to hurt the brand. One of the few positive things people had to say about the new FF is that it was basically stand- alone.

>>149772825
I liked how lived in the world of Superman 2025 felt too. It's also the first superhero movie in a long time that felt like a summer blockbuster and not a superhero movie. It just goes from the very beginning and doesn't let up. I've been saying for years that most superhero movies waste too much time on origins and setups that they end up not doing much at all. You don't need to spend an hour setting up why a cop became a cop in any crime film so why with superheroes? It's absurd. Plus there's so many 70s and 80s movies with wacky villains in 'grounded' movies that people can just accept this shit.

>>149762527 (OP)
That Superman guy looks really gay and stupid

No offense

>>149764845
This Superman was intentionally made quite weak so that he wouldn't overshadow everyone like what happened with Snyder's Superman.
Mr. Terrific was still much more impressive than Reeves Batman.

>>149773397
I liked the movie, although I still don't like the actor's face and the suit.

>>149772498
studios lost a ton of money in the waning days of the studio system era as well

>>149769749
Superman and Batman were hanging out on radio by the early 40s, and the writers figured this stuff out, but /co/ wouldn’t know anything about that.

>>149773686
share. is it on YouTube or archive.org?

>>149774529
found it
https://archive.org/details/TheAdventuresOfSupermanEpisode1663

It would certainly be fun to watch the results, regardless of what they turned out to be.

>>149773686
they were hanging out in the comic books by the 1940s, too

>>149775040
Why don't women understand male friendships

They want to turn us all into faggots

>>149775071
You aren't Batman

>>149773686
>>149775066
In all fairness, Superman hadn't quite gotten his power creep yet.I mean even day 1 Superman could still trounce Batman, or encounter some supervillains, but the average 40's Superman story still had him dealing with a lot of street level crime. And Clark didn't even know he was from Krypton until the late 40's. That's around the time the stories start to veer more to sci-fi elements and greatly expand his power level

>>149765204
Which issue of Detective Comics does he gun down thugs in his tank and stab a nigga through a wall?