Thread 149778922

What are the essential, /co/ approved Batman comics? Is there chart or something?

>>149778922 (OP)
Year one
TDKR
Long Halloween
Morrison’s Batman + Batman & Robin
Dini’s Tec
OG LOTDK


Read some moench, Conway, Adams

Particularly avoid: hush, snyder, king, zdarsky, Tynion, ram v.

>>149778922 (OP)
Year one
dark night, dark city
Dark prince charming by Marini
TDKR, DKSA, All star batman by Frank Miller
Morrison and dini runs (pre and post flashtpoint)
batman 700
batman the return
batman Europa
Batman earth one volumes 1, 2 and 3
Batman the Cult
Batman by greg hurtwitz
Batman by Brian Buccelatto

Frank Miller's Batman works. That is it.
/thread

>>149778922 (OP)
read anything but Hush
>>149779034
the Cult is a really good one. highly recommend that too

>>149778922 (OP)
>Is there chart or something?
how new r u

I kept seeing hush called essential batman, so I gave it a read and it's just contrived asspulls and fanservice. waste of time IMO. some of the art's kinda nice, I guess.

>>149778922 (OP)
Batman: Strange Apparitions
The Dark Knight Returns
Batman: Year One
Batman by Alan Grant and Norm Breyfogle

>>149778922 (OP)
>/co/ approved Batman comics?
Hush is NOT one, I guarantee that much.

Year One
Shaman
Monster Men
Mad Monk
The Man Who Laughs
Long Halloween
Dark Victory
Birth of the Demon
The Cult
The Killing Joke
A Death in the Family
A Lonely Place of Dying
Knightfall
No Man’s Land
JLA
Fugitive
Hush
Infinite Crisis
Under the Hood
52 Thogal segments
Morrison
Final Crisis
More Morrison
Walk away forever

>>149779005
>Read some moench, Conway, Adams
Based. Those days are so underrated.

>>149780593
This second list is interesting, finally can read some Batman again.

No Man's Land
Batman: Creature of the Night
Legends of the Dark Knight
>>149779005
>Long Halloween
Also has a good sequel: Dark Victory
>>149779225
It's "essential Batman" in the sense that it's a workable entry-level showcase of key Batman Characters interacting, particularly for those that can't appreciate the art of Long Halloween for what it is.

>>149780572
>Whatever Happened
One-trick anti-dark whining, with Gaiman ruined, we can stop pretending that it's some high literature.

I think the following Batman stuff is worth reading:
Year One, TDKR, Killing Joke, Long Halloween + Dark Victory
Earth One 1-3
Knighftall
Dini's run on Detective Comics
Batman 667-669 (Island of Dr. Mayhew)
Morrison's B&R
Batman Incorporated
Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader
Prey + Terror (Legends of the Dark Knight)
Night of the Stalker + Cooke's homage to it
Batman Adventures
Batman/Houdini (better than Gotham by Gaslight in my opinion)
Batman/Fudd
The Doom that Came to Gotham
Arkham Asylum: SHoSE
Arkham Asylum: Living Hell
Joker's Asylum
Gotham Central

I would love to see what people liked about NML. I recently read both of the omnibuses and was unimpressed.

>>149780811
>>I would love to see what people liked about NML. I recently read both of the omnibuses and was unimpressed.
Batman versus all his rogues in a slightly different quo that put him at a disadvantage with good art for the most part.

>>149780869
I see.
I felt that he didn't really get to face off against that many rogues and instead the rest of the bat family dealt with them. I only really remember Bruce directly dealing with Penguin, Poison Ivy/Clayface, and I guess Bane. I know he did very little with Joker (mostly Azrael) and Zsazz. Was he a big part of any Two Face stuff or was that all Montoya + Gordon? I vaguely remember Freeze was in NML, was that Bruce who dealt with him?

I was hoping for more stuff like the Clayface story where we see how villains are adapting to NML and Batman has to foil their various schemes. There was a lot more interpersonal bat-drama than proper villain stories and a lot of the rogues felt underdeveloped in the new status quo (Penguin being a notable exception. I liked his characterization a lot). NML felt like a weaker retread of Knightfall/Knightquest, wherein the status quo is changed and we see how all of the villains interact with the new status quo.

>>149778922 (OP)

- The Dark Knight Returns
- that's it (list ends)
- if you want more Batman, read Dark Knight Returns again

>>149778922 (OP)
ignore all the faggots that saying no Hush, /co/ntrarianism is a terminal disease and there's a reason why Hush is considered the best entry point for new Batman readers and is such an overall classic in general

>>149778922 (OP)
Batman/ Judge Dredd: Judgement on Gotham, and the three other stories that follow.

>>149781203
It was the GCPD and Huntress's story as well, it was a team effort. Batman stopped Cain, who had been hired by Two-Face to kill Gordon but wasn't involved in the mock trial itself. He also took care of Scarface and the Ventriloquist in the first arc.
> I vaguely remember Freeze was in NML, was that Bruce who dealt with him?
Yes, ended up leaving him on an ice floe in the middle of the river.
>I was hoping for more stuff like the Clayface story where we see how villains are adapting to NML and Batman has to foil their various schemes. There was a lot more interpersonal bat-drama than proper villain stories and a lot of the rogues felt underdeveloped in the new status quo
I thought most of them had great stories. Scarface, Scarecrow, Black Mask, Two-Face, Joker. I read the original trades that skipped all the secondary titles and a couple of nonessential arcs, it likely reads better that way.
>>149781892
It has nice art, but the writing and the mystery are incredibly stupid. The same is also true for The Long Halloween, but TIm Sale's style has more artistic merit than Jim Lee's.

>>149782137
>It has nice art, but the writing and the mystery are incredibly stupid.
I think the metatextual arc of Gotham's organized crime being replaced by the "freaks" (Batman's rogue gallery) is more interesting than the mystery itself.

>>149778922 (OP)
The movie sucked

>>149778922 (OP)
It's not over yet, but I think Batman & Robin Year One will end up one of those definitive Batman books everyone can agree on, its been very good.

OK, let's get real: HUSH is not bad, it can be mediocre, but it has GOOD art and also is a good showcase of batman villains (that is a really good point)

>>149782137
>>149782309
>>149781892
Hush is just a Geoff Johns summer blockbuster in the same vein as Sinestro Corps War. The writing is dumb action movie with lots of spectacle and cool moments.

>>149782309
seriously this, it also looks much better and is easier to read than some recommendations /co/ will say are "better" from the fucking 70's and 80's.
No, Batman #2533 or whatever isn't a better Riddler story than Hush

>>149779034
>>149779080
The Cult is underrated and while not a Robin centric story I like an accessable and quality comic that has Jason Todd in it

>>149782419
Holy casual. Just recommend some Alan Grant or Legends of the Dark Knight it's not that hard

I appreciated reading long Halloween though I admit i actually liked the animation better thanks to Bruce and Selina's relationship being a bit more in depth. Though her Halloween costume is a lot more fun

>>149782419
Steve Englehart's Detective run with Walt Simonson and Marshall Rogers is Definitive Batman that helped provide the blueprint for the animated series. Lot of great O'Neil/Adams issues as well, though no big arcs I can think of off-hand other than the Ra's al Ghul arc of Batman #242-44

>>149782772
Read it's immediate sequel Dark Victory as well, I don't know why it gets left out whenever Long Halloween comes up. There's a moment in the book that encapsulates why Dick doesn't end up an endless brooding machine like Bruce, and it's genuinely one of the most touching moments in Batman lore (and it was slightly used in Batman Begins).

Batman: Ego
Batman: Gothic
Batman: Night Cries

>>149783522
>Batman: Night Cries
Damn underrated and forgotten book, possibly because it wasn't published as a monthly and was planned directly as a book market title, also probably because of it tackling childhood sexual abuse (probably why DC hasn't kept it in print).

>>149783011
>Steve Englehart's Detective run with Walt Simonson and Marshall Rogers is Definitive Batman
Case in point, this looks and reads corny as hell and you have to be a hardcore geek to think otherwise.
Standards for art have risen.

>>149783284
It's so left out and unkown for some reason I never understood why as people always talk about LH and how much they love the art and writing but have no interest in reading their other obviously closely related work. Even the last release of it had to title it The Long Halloween: The Sequel with tiny writing saying Dark Victory just to get people to know what it is I guess. There is also Haunted Night and Catwoman When in Rome which are worth reading if you liked The Long Halloween

>>149781892
>there's a reason why Hush is considered the best entry point for new Batman readers and is such an overall classic in general

It is NOT considered any of those. Hush is considered a terrible retarded comic with a shitty plot that ONLY sold because Jim Lee draws well. That's it. If the same story was drawn by literally anyone else it would have sold 0 copies.

>>149784274
>at ONLY sold because Jim Lee draws well.
the most important part of comics retard

>>149783772
The Simonson issues are much rougher than the Rogers issues, yes. Still better-written than Loeb and more technically proficient than Jim Lee.

>>149784410
If the story doesn't matter then you should only buy the kinds of comics that are nothing but pin-ups.

Thoughts on Blind Justice?

>>149784708
Story DOESN’T matter. It has never mattered, in any medium. Comics, novels, movies, television, gaming, etc.

>>149784274
It sells to new readers who just want to see all the different batman characters in appealing art. They don't care that the story is extremely thin. They just need the story to provide a thin justification to connect all these characters and their "badass" depictions in art.

Morrison is the only good modern Batman run.

There are plenty of good Batman comics to choose from in the 70s, 80s, 90s, and maybe early 00s.

>>149782350
Hush wishes it was as good as SCW. SCW is a rare moment in DC, when the right writer, artists and editor are working together.
Hush is the DC equivalent of an X-Men comic circa 1991: dogshit story that only serves Jim Lee’s art.

>>149787781
I'd say that Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and even Scott Lobdell were better writers than Jeph Loeb. Hush was more first nine issues of WildCATs, first six issues of Heroes Reborn: Fantastic Four quality

>>149778922 (OP)
the essential comics are (in order)

>my fan comic I drew in crayon where Batman kisses the Joker
>my fan comic that I drew in marker where Batman kisses Robin
>my fan comic I made in flash where Batman kisses Alfred

>>149782272
why is catwoman so FUCKING BUFF here this is deviant art-tier

>>149788262
A sculpted costume to throw people off.

>>149784576
>The Simonson issues are much rougher than the Rogers issues, yes.
'Dreadful Birthday, Dear Joker' is in my top 10 favorite Batman stories. Honestly surprised it was never adapted for Batman The Animated Series, would've made a perfect episode.

>>149782772
>I admit i actually liked the animation better
Fucking kill yourself that shit is awful

>>149779005
Fpbp

Any issue of Batman with Norm Breyfogle on art has more soul than any Batman by Jim Lee.

>>149788891
The animated movie improved on Loeb's idiocy by making the final plot twist work through its story adjustments, removing every last bit of Godfather plagiarism, and excusing Batman's inability to solve the crime by establishing that he had never bothered to learn how to do investigative work. The art style was a downgrade and the Triad fight was silly, other than that it was better.

>>149789071
>The art style was a downgrade and the Triad fight was silly, other than that it was better.
That was my biggest problem with it, why bother animating Long Halloween if they didn't bother to adapt Tim Sale's art style?

>>149789071
Pleb as fuck taste, the art IS part of the storytelling , the mood the art establishes is a crucial part of the story. The movie looks like every other hacked out DC cartoon since BTAS ended.

>>149783772
>Standards for art
Sensibilities have definitely changed, but I would absolutely not say standards have improved.

>>149789118
They wanted to make it part of their new animated universe that only lasted four years before they blew it up.

>>149788920
>Any issue of Batman with Norm Breyfogle on art has more soul than any Batman by Jim Lee.
Based

>>149780173
this guy is the one you want to listen to

>>149783284
>>149783924
Because it features Robin. Any batman storie instantly get worse when Robin is in it. Such a faggot character.

>>149783772
>Standards for art have risen.
If you're comparing that to Hush, then no. They haven't.

>>149783772
It's incredible how a comic from 1977 is more fluid than a comic from 2003 drawn by the supposed greatest artist in the industry.

>>149789281
it seems weird that Batman used to be bright blue. I know it was supposed to imply shading but now the aesthetic is just regular dark and it is working fine now. He never needed to be bright to begin with.

>>149789661
It had to do with comic book printing prior to the 1980's, everything needed to work within the four-color CMYK printing process, so nuanced blacks and greys were out of the question until high-quality printing options were available.

Arkham Asylum: Serious House on Serious Earth
DCAU 90s comics
Killing Joke
Read Williams III's Batwoman for the killer art.

People have way too low of standards for comics.