Thread 149789995

I have always been fascinated by the galaxy far far away. So much history, so much lore. So much fun and interesting stories to be told! So many interesting characters! It boggles my mind at how Disney face planted like a town drunk in 2015. Has there ever been such a case before or since? Where you are given a golden egg only to trip over your own two feet and break it?

Games, comics, animated shows, tv shows, movies. So much content! So much fan content as well with fanfilms and fanfics!
I cannot understand what Disney was smoking in 2015 with Episode 7.
Feel for Daisy Ridley and Adam Driver tbqh.

>>149789995 (OP)
>>149790012

>>149790039
??????
The prequels are kino. I have also never understood the hate they got.
The Last Jedi? Rian Johnson took a big fat cleveland steamer on Luke Skywalker.
Acolyte? Might've been good.. if they didn't kill all the interesting characters in the first fuckin season!

>>149790060
>The prequels are kino. I have also never understood the hate they got
t. Zoomer and/or jeet

>>149790163
Zoomer indeed! Born in 1997. After being a fan of Star Wars since 2006, I have yet to understand why boomers and gen xers pissed and sharted themselves over Kid Vader and Jar Jar Binks.

>>149790060
Yes, Rian Johnson.

>>149790242
Yes, Rian Johnson.

>>149790199
https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPG1u6EbiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOTkSfVb4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfYzbNzxAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWg0NlRU6-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeOdW3UyP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDIClx-_pY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYp8pek0zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcs9hIn_Qs
https://youtu.be/g81PoGKO0qA
https://youtu.be/77lh4Ct6wdE
Keep in mind, all of this is PRE-PLINKETT.

>>149790302
I have seen some of these before and found it amusing.

>>149790257
Yes, Rian Johnson

>>149789995 (OP)
SW was screwed from the start

>Lucas sells his IPs and Lucasfilm to Disney in October 2013
>the contract states that they cannot fuck with the established movies (no remakes, no reboots, etc) and that legally speaking everything they make is not officially canon
>on top of that, Lucas still gets royalties and so do the people who worked on the EU stuff
>now that they have SW, Kathleen Kennedy is told by Bob Iger and the board of directors that they need to make a SW film right away in order to look good for their yearly earnings (as they just spent so much money that they're now in the black)
>this means Kennedy has slightly less than two years to make a movie, which goes against how each SW movie took three years to make
>Kennedy then rushes out TFA into production with JJ Abrams at the helm, who focuses on making it a nostalgia trip for OT fans
>Kennedy then guts Lucasfilm alumni to fill with yes-women and brownnosers in the attempt to make SW more for women
>the movie is tailored to act as a re-iteration of the OT and essentially a soft reboot so China could potentially develop an interest in it
>Disney pushes out Lucas from being involved and ignores his treatments
>Disney then declares that in their new canon, all multi-media is canon (despite the inevitable problems that will pop up)

>>149789995 (OP)
Good times.

>>149790459
Alex and steve minecraft

>>149789995 (OP)
I wish Disney was competent enough to make a series set around ANH from the POV of a Stormtrooper

>>149790445
>the movie is tailored to act as a re-iteration of the OT and essentially a soft reboot so China could potentially develop an interest in it
Funny because part of the reason Disney Star Wars failed in China was because the Force Awakens is a nostalgia fest but China never developed any nostalgia for the IP.

>>149789995 (OP)
Revan will always be my favorite.

>>149790445
>TFA comes out and makes a big profit (something we now know more about thanks to the real budget being released)
>despite having success, the new characters fail to make a deeper impression with fans and don't push as much merch when compared to the older characters
>some fans point out how TFA basically screws over the emotional throughlines and internal logic of the OT (and PT by extension), but are dismissed
>multimedia is screwed over as the books are mostly mediocre while the games are strangled by Disney's contract with EA, and TCW is fucked over by the Disney buyout
>once again, the next movie is made within two years and TLJ proceeds to destroy whatever goodwill and hype TFA established
>if you liked the OT, TLJ shits on it
>if you liked TFA, TLJ undermines it like how TFA undermined the OT
>while TLJ is still a success, it made less money than TFA which ruffles feathers at Disney (who were expecting a sequel to make more, being in-line with how they currently produce movies)
>combined with poor word-of-mouth, this effectively kills Kennedy's vision of what she wanted for SW in the future
>TROS is ONCE AGAIN made within two years and then both undermines TLJ and TFA while underperforming at the box office
>absolutely no one likes it, and ST merch rots on the shelves while failing to be the generational phenomenon that the OT and PT were
>Disney then commits to pumping out Filoni's projects on Disney+, new stuff that fails to make an impact (Skeleton Crew, the Acolyte), while making new stuff (Mando) that inevitably gets screwed over too

This isn't even mentioning the microtransaction controversy with Battlefront, the failure of Galaxy's Edge, Disney refusing to pay royalties, or the messy production behind Solo and Rogue One, etc.

>>149790647
>>149790445
>>149790668
So what went wrong? Disney wanted Star Wars but wanted to market it to women like how they continue to fail to market the MCU to women while also forcing the IP to fit into the Disney formula and assembly line system carved out by their yearly remakes and the MCU, all while shooting with zero/crappy scripts that inevitably force reshoots that balloon the budget and sanding off any directorial vision that could compromise marketing the films to women or certain countries like China or that doesn't fall in-line with Kennedy's vision for the IP. The quality of the merchandise fell, the oversaturation of the merchandise made it less valuable to buy or invest in, and the lack of love in the films made it impossible to cultivate a desire to buy the merchandise.

>>149789995 (OP)
Jedi Lords is a cool concept.

>>149790668
Each of the sequel movies was made in response to the previous film. TFA was nostalgia bait because of the prequels, TLJ was subversion because of TFA's nostalgia bait, and TROS was fanservice because of TLJ's subversion.

>>149790647
Trying to market an IP like SW to China (that is equal parts space opera and pulpy sci-fantasy) was never going to work because China not only never developed any nostalgia for the IP, but Disney's new sensibilities killed any foothold it could have taken

>China loves family and lineage
>the first two ST movies shit on it
>China doesn't like American minorities and prefers good-looking white people
>the ST is filled with minorities and very few good-looking actors
>China likes male protagonists so much that Chinese BL is propped up by swarms of Chinese fujoshis and men
>the ST is incredibly gynocentric
>China had limited exposure to SW
>the ST fundamentally requires familiar exposure to the OT and PT for it to function
>SW is primarily founded on American pulp sci-fi, classic fantasy novels, various movies, the American cultural zeitgeist surrounding each movie as it is being made, capeshit comics, and Lucas' interest in Japanese culture and East Asian religion
>the average Chinese person knows squat about any of this

>>149790801
What the hell is that dude on the right?
>>149790867
The entire ST was mad for OT boomers genxers who cried about Kid Vader and Jar Jar.
>>149790755
>REEEE WAMENNN
Yes yes women are the reason for all your ills.

>>149790905
Half Human, Half Bothan.

>wanted to discuss and enjoy star wars
>devolves into reeeee wamen and other pointless ageless old reeee prequels
Every time.

>>149790905
The problem with how Disney markets to women is that it fundamentally goes against the point of buying male IP in the first place (Disney wants the male audience) while not really understanding that male IP already draws women and that in order to become more popular with women, they just need to keep that engagement going and leave things be.

Disney's idea of selling men's IP to women is to include more women in the story, have them perform story roles that better suit men, and carry an anti-male sentiment. It has never successfully worked because women don't watch male IP to see an all-female Avengers or team of Jedi, they watch male IP for pulpy romance, cool hot dudes, and female characters who they can easily self-insert onto and who ideally have lots of accessories and dresses.

>>149790955
I don't mind women liking Star Wars or Disney wanting to get more women watching Star Wars, they're just doing it in the worst way possible. Luke was VERY popular with female fans and yet the people in charge of the ST shat all over him. Women adore Leia and Padme but Leia broke up with Han and Padme continues to do even less shit under Disney's direction.

>>149790039
Prequels sucked cause George can't write dialogue or direct people and no one wanted to say anything against him until it was all said and done. Last Jedi sucked cause it was an attempt at making the Sequels their own thing only to fuck up every decision and retract it the next film. Acolyte sucked cause it thought it could get away with terrible writing through "erm, lore accuracy, don't you nerds want that?"

>>149789995 (OP)
I miss Kyle Katarn

>>149790039
>make shit media that simultaneously tries to nostalgia wank and do new things
>pleases no one and fucks with setting
Should have just adapted the Skywalker books and recasted Luke and the gang.

>>149789995 (OP)
Shame we will never get an animated series with them

>>149789995 (OP)
Shame they will never move the timeline from the Skywalker even though they're fucking dead, and no, Rey isn't a Skywalker.

>>149790302
Grown ass dorks crying that the movies weren't exactly like the stuff they saw as kids is funny. The kids of the time loved them anyway.

>>149791043
>Anakin was VERY popular with female fans
FTFY

>>149792826
People were pissed when the EU was "decanonized". Still, Star Wars under Disney's hands was, a bit underwhelming, I guess we should lucky that Disney didn't touch Mara Jade.

>>149789995 (OP)
>mogs Kylo Ren

>>149790302
>[popular media] and [random people] and [critics] say you aren't allowed to like [thing]! Stop liking [thing]! Stop liking [thing] RIGHT NOW!

>>149789995 (OP)
>So much history, so much lore. So much fun and interesting stories to be told!
I'd actually argue the opposite. The more history, lore, and stories told, the less special and interesting the universe becomes. This was the main issue of the EU, it produced some good stories but the mystique and magic of the setting was obliterated. Star Wars was more special when it was just the OT.

>>149790039

Just because your idea is unique doesn't mean it's good

do you think they....?

>>149790668
>>despite having success, the new characters fail to make a deeper impression with fans and don't push as much merch when compared to the older characters
Technically this is not true. Hasbro got fucked over and shut out by Disney and the characters they expected to have big parts didn't. This meant early waves lacked focus on the core cast outside of Finn. Rey was also shortpacked across the board because Finn was expected to be the main character and new Jedi. This is what lead to nothing characters like Constable Zuvio and those cool red guys that appear in one scene to shelf warm. Finn was also drastically overpacked with expectationa he be the new Luke. Rey stuff at this time was going for a lot on ebay and the "Where'sRey?" Movement was getting news coverage. Hasbro over corrected with Rey and got burned hard for it because general audiences had moved on, they honeymoon phase had ended and fans started to pick apart the film and weak characters, and collectors already paid ebay prices. They also were too late correcting some of their other early mistakes because stores were full of trash so they didn't want more. So I do think the hype was there during early TFA but Disney fucked it all up by not working with merchandisers the way George did. By TLJ however no one wanted these characters though because that movie fails to sell them to you.

>>149790755
Because profit needs to show continually growth there's this idea that once you have part of the market you need to expand into another part of the market. Star Wars was purchased because Disney had become poison to boys but since Star Wars already had the boy demographics in a stranglehold they sought to expand the brand to female audiences. The issue with brand expansions like this is there's an assumption the previous market will stay. Studio execs are retarded (For example they wanted Forest Gump to cut its run across America scene because they thought audiences wouldn't like it but it ended up being one of the most iconic film scenes for all time. Another example is greenlighting Green Lantern just because Hal pilots fighter jets and they saw that as the appeal.) And never learn from their mistakes so they double down and try again and again to catch markets that do not exist.

>>149790012
>>149789995 (OP)
The problem is ameritards ate that shit up when Episode 7 came out, despite it being a terrible rehash. Disney's lesson after getting so much cash from Episode 7 was "bland rehash but with more overpowered girl characters is good".

>>149790302
There's this comic about these toy scalpers who get fucked because episode 1 killed the 90s Star Wars nostalgia boom. It's a really good webcomic but i can't remeber what it's called. I hate the zoomer "People only hate them because of Plinkett" mentality as if we don't have videos of people leaving theaters upset.

>>149796790
That's internet discourse that happened because too many retards online would say "if you don't understand why prequels bad go watch Plinkett reviews, if you still don't, then u dumb". And the popular entertymedia picked up on it.

>>149789995 (OP)
>Has there ever been such a case before or since? Where you are given a golden egg only to trip over your own two feet and break it?
The prequels

>>149790039
News flash:
The prequels are mostly nostalgia wank.