Thread 149791306

Venom didnt even use "we" instead of "i".
Did Peter Milligan didnt give a fuck?

>>149791306 (OP)
Why can’t you learn the most basic level of English before posting?

>>149791306 (OP)
Better question.

Who are Venom's villains?

>>149791306 (OP)
This page is also why the book is so perplexing in another way. There is a lot of effort in the art, but the lettering and text boxes felt like they were don in an afternoon. Just look at Venom in the 3rd panel. Errors like that are all over the book.

>>149791306 (OP)
Black Cat doesn't know who either of them are in this either.

>>149792499
lettering is done by someone who isn't the artist so there you go.

>>149792156
He has quite a few to be honest, not many noteworthy though, Carnage is obviously the main one which is why it's so odd how OOC this comic in OP is, Eddie would never side with Carnage, he LITERALLY sided with Spider-Man just to beat him

But Venom's villains....
>The Jury
>The Stalkers
>Xenophage
>Pyre

>>149793036
Yeah she was portrayed as a exhibicionistic bimbo that doesnt remember the symbiotes. It was whack.

We didnt even seen Eddie under the goo once

>>149791306 (OP)
Did he reuse Venom in the second and fourth panels? lol

>>149794637
Knull, the Poisons, Jack O'lantern has thrown down with two Venoms, Scorpion has issues with Eddie.

>>149794753
It's ridiculous cause she probably had the most interaction with Venom other than Peter in those stories lol, like out of any Spider-Man characters, her and MJ were closest to the Venom situation

>>149795114
She's also met Carnage face to face.

>>149791306 (OP)
The second mini was way better.
I don't like Clayton Crain's art. It's too stiff and it's hard to tell what's happening half the time.

>>149791306 (OP)
Pretty sure Molligan hasn't given a fuck since maybe X-Statix.

>>149791306 (OP)
Pretty sure Milligan hasn't given a fuck since maybe X-Statix.

>>149791306 (OP)
>>149793036
Not only did Peter Milligan not give a fuck, it's clear that editorial didn't give a fuck since they should have corrected this shit. Although it makes sense when you remember that a certain segment of older Marvel editors always hated Venom and what he represented, and not long after this they got rid of Eddie Brock in favor of having MacGargan being a generic evil Venom for several years (they couldn't completely get rid of Venom since he still sold merch), and killed off Carnage also for several years. It was only when younger creators that were actuall nostalgic for Venom came along that symbiotes became prominent again.

>>149795711
The weirdest thing is that Marvel wouldn't allow Venom to have his own ongoing series. So they did a miniseries that sold really well, meaning they financially couldn't justify not making more, but they kept insisting Venom could only have miniseries, so we got like a dozen Venom miniseries in the 90s even though it would have made far more sense to just give him an ongoing.

>>149795711
>>149795807
It's not that they hated Venom, they just didn't want him to be a hero starring in his own book. MacGargan is exactly what they wanted Venom to be: a generic evil bad guy that wants to eat Spider-Man's brain and no nuance that's just there to look cool.

>>149795807
>>149795711
Essentially yeah, the older guard REALLY hated the edgy and dark directions comics were going in the 80s and early 90s

Maximum Carnage was a product of that, as the moral is essentially Peter surrounded by a world growing more violent and extreme while he fights for purity and ultimately wins. Knightfall, was a similar commentary though done much more condescendingly, if you're a symbiote fan you can still totally enjoy Maximum Carnage for what it is while still getting that it's saying "anti heroes arent true!" and it works, but yeah

Marvel editorial I feel, is the fucking wild west, which makes it all the more ironic that they have kept this "ongoing continuity" that they allow writers to fuck up so much that it doesn't even matter since characters even popular ones act different from story to story because writers have favorites and grudges and conflicting ideas

>>149791306 (OP)
Milligan didn't give a flying shit and IIRC, editorial only put the book out to appease Spider-Man fans who were pissed the fuck off that JMS had made a huge stink about not wantng to use existing Spider-Man villains (to the point that he had to be forced to rewrite a storyline to feature Doctor Octopus at the last minute because of editorial wanting a Doc Ock story in Amazing in time for Spider-Man 2).

>>149795884
This is all basically true, and Marvel editorial in the later 90s, possibly the EIC, didn't like Venom as a hero and they tried really hard to flip him back to being a villain the moment the sales of his minis dropped to a point where they could justify cancelling them.

But it was the next generation of people at Marvel in the 2000s under Quesada who actually tried to kill Carnage and replace Eddie Brock with Gargan as the new Venom, it was people like Bendis and Millar. And most of them wouldn't even let Gargan Venom be a cool bad guy or a threatening one, they kept using him as a jobber.

Then in the 2010s we got Carnage back, with edgier writers than he usually got in the 90s, but several writers who assumed he has to be a redneck because he has the same name as the redneck in the Simpsons, and editorial didn't correct them or didn't even know themselves that he's from Brooklyn. And they had Flash as Venom for years, with another attempt to make Eddie a villain, and culling a lot of the other symbiotes, only to suddenly reverse course and make more of them than ever and start giving them to random other characters from the Spider-Man cast, and also Black Widow.

In addition, for years we basically just knew as much about the symbiotes as we needed to know, then successive writers went all in on adding more lore, backstory and history to them, a lot of it is awful because of who the people writing it are, and it's just ten years or more of layering convoluted crap on top of more convoluted crap.

>>149796277
>And they had Flash as Venom for years, with another attempt to make Eddie a villain, and culling a lot of the other symbiotes

Flash as soldier venom looked really cool, and it gave us Mania who thankfully Marvel forgot about so they are less likely to fuck her up.
Eddie became Anti-Venom at the time and tried being an anti-hero. I think. It's been too long ago and too insignificant.
Culling symbiotes wasn't bad because they kept making more of them like all the ones I don't remember in Separation Anxiety.

And yeah then they did a full 180 with Knull and the space shit, I completely skipped all of that and I don't even see it being brought up in non-venom books at all (then again, neither was that one crossover Hercules stopped the Amatsu-Mikaboshi from eating the universe).
As far as I'm concerned the best symbiote origin story is still Planet of Symbiotes. It also gave us this awesome panel.

>>149795711
>it's clear that editorial didn't give a fuck
Being a Marvel editor is the most useless (when not being actively malicious and disruptive) job in the world.