I just read picrel and I want to read more WW. What should I read next?

>>149799160 (OP)
Perez's Post crisis Wondy.

Some people will bawww because post crisis bad, but fuck them.

>>149799160 (OP)
Gail Simone run

>>149799160 (OP)
Have you tried reading Wonder Woman?

>>149799160 (OP)
if you liked the themes about femdon, etc. in this book then read Marston's original run
if you enjoyed her as a character and want to explore more of her mythos then read the 80s Perez run
if you want a modern-day comic that's not the best but serves as a good starting point then the 2016 Rucka run (but Gail Simone's run isn't bad either)
if you're okay with a version of her character that makes a lot of changes about her origin, cast, etc. to the point of nearly being an AU comic, try Azzarello's New 52 run

if you like Wonder Woman watch the Lynda Carter show

>>149799251
Mocking the crucifixion on the cover + Osiris worship

>>149799495
Why the fuck would you recommend the 2016 Rucka run when his 2003 run is not only a much better run but also a jumping on point?

>>149799251
Based Perez

>>149799754
I mentioned the 2016 run because it’s part of the current continuity, but you know I coulda swore I included his original run alongside the Gail Simone comment

>>149799251
based

>>149799160 (OP)
Perez

>>149799160 (OP)
This shit is awful though.

>>149799251
>post crisis bad
Literally nobody says this. It’s widely regarded as one of the strongest periods for nearly every major character.

>>149800871
2003 is also part of current continuity.

>>149801731
>Literally nobody says this
funny way to admit you’re a newfag

>>149802387
nta but wasn’t that New Earth and not Prime Earth?

>>149799160 (OP)
>I want to read more WW
Bullshit.

>>149799251
this if you want to bored out of your mind

>>149799251
Pretty excited to see the second volume omnibus getting a reprint.

>>149805077
no

>>149799251
Perez making Steve Trevor older and not Diana's love interest in an effort to try and sneak a WW/Superman relationship that never happened hurt the character in the long run, despite how otherwise well done the run was.

>>149803125
Anon nobody says post-crisis is bad. What a bizarre hill to die on. Literally all of dc’s most well regarded comics come from that period.

>>149806517
>>149805077

>>149806749
That’s not what that post says. Thats just about this run being boring, not about the PC era being supposedly bad

>>149806517
really? because I’ve seen plenty of /co/ posts complaining about post-Crisis either out of Silver Age nostalgia, specific post-Crisis decisions like Byrne on Superman or the whole “no other Kryptonians” thing, or just trolls trying to be contrarian. but you can’t say nobody ever says post-crisis is bad because I’ve seen it plenty of times

>>149807802
Wonder woman is a special case because for decades Robert Kanigher had Wonder Woman from the late 40's until the mid 70's, with a few brief pauses. He basically phoned in a lot of the work and it left the character in a terrible position which never really got fixed by the end of pre-crisis. She had a stable of decent writers too for those last 12 pre-crisis years, but Kanigher failed to really keep Wonder Woman relevant like Batman or Superman had been over the Silver Age into the Bronze age.

>>149799495
>if you're okay with a version of her character that makes a lot of changes about her origin, cast, etc. to the point of nearly being an AU comic, try Azzarello's New 52 run
The fact that this one is by far the best goes to show what a shit character WW is.

that's some bullshit logic you've got there, Azzarello's run changes a bunch of definitive things about Wonder Woman but it's still a good run, far from the best but decent enough. same thing with Absolute WW being fantastic despite fundamentally changing her origin, it just proves that Wonder Woman is a versatile character with varied history and adventures. but if you wanna post bait like a faggot then I pity your life choices that led you to crave (You)'s like this

>>149806464
Hurt who? Diana or Steve?

>>149799160 (OP)
I don't see how anyone would want to read WW again if their first exposure to her was Morrison's watery shits

Nobody cares about Steve Trevor

>>149806464
This desu.

Although tbqh, I never cared for WW in the first place. I just think that the Steve Trevor decision significantly added to the aimlessness of the character.

>>149810827
>aimlessness of the character.
the aimlessness of Wonder Woman's character to be clear.

>>149810165
Diana.
Steve is a load bearing beam for her, as much as people dislike her main love interest being a normal man. You can track down a lot of misconceptions about her based off the fact they decided to downplay that she fell in love with a man and wanted to see his world.

>>149806464
it’s just about the only glaring flaw about Perez’s run (not counting any fetishes he may have inserted in the storylines). if anything I’m glad the mediocre DCEU version emphasised Steve Trevor’s existence, because it really felt like DC would’ve thrown him off into the gutter otherwise

>>149799160 (OP)
Perez's run is the best. But don't sleep on the 1940s Wonder Woman comics. Those are "so batshit they're good".

>>149809880
I feel like Absolute WW gets her core character better than a bunch of normal WW stories do, despite Absolute's whole gimmick being that these characters are arbitrarily different. It's mostly just people seething that Steve Trevor still exists in it that don't like it.

>>149799495
Pretty good answer

>>149807802
Nobody actually likes Silver Age comics, aside from maybe the Flash, they either like Bronze Age, or they like the surface-level "Silver Age silly vibes", like in BBATB, or Gunn's Superman, or the obscure references from Morrison.But nobody actually reads Silver Age, at least the S-listers, and comes out with a love for comics themselves. It was a gimmick-driven period, rather cynical about the characters used for cash.

>>149799160 (OP)
Don't.

>>149811788
Reddit tier comment

>>149811420
it absolutely does (pun intended), it's the best WW comic in years and that's saying something considering how much it changes things. I really like this concept of changing key elements of a hero's backstory but keeping the spirit intact, I've been enjoying USM for the exact reason despite the sweeping status quo changes in that book. and I like that these AUs aren't beholden to usual bullshit mandates by the editorial since they're explicitly not mainline canon, giving each creative team a lot more freedom and breathing room

>>149811440
gonna assume you're only talking about DC since many of Marvel's comics from the Silver Age time period are still popular today. but I always thought the three Ages were largely a DC thing anyway

>>149799433
No

>>149812331
It's less shit than fucking Azzarello or Rucka.

>>149811969
That's because Marvel as known doesn't exist before the Silver Age.

>>149812415
What's wrong with Azzarello and Rucka?
Rucka is a good continuation of the post-crisis lore.
Azzarello is good if read as an Elseworlds

>>149811440
>>149811969
>>149812470
Marvel’s Silver Age is leagues better than DC, probably one of the greatest periods of comic creativity for sheer ideas. And some of them are indeed worth reading, like Fantastic Four, Spider-Man, Doctor Strange and Thor.

DC’s best from back then was Legion of Super-Heroes, but otherwise it was indeed a lot of hot garbage. Novelty covers were probably the greatest impact they left. However, there are the occasional gem among Silver Age Superman, often in “Imaginary Stories” which were essentially the predecessor to Elseworlds. Stuff like Superman returning to Krypton to meet his parents, Superman Red and Blue, and even the death of Superman were all stories first done in the Silver Age. A lot of the best output was thanks to being written by Superman’s original creator Jerry Siegel, as well as the primary writer for the original Captain Marvel (Shazam) Otto Binder.

>>149812864
>but it's hopeless
nigga they're right there just save them

League of One is maybe my favorite WW story.

>>149812864
Marvel's silver age isn't much better besides having a legendary Spider-man run, unless you're really losing your mind over Iron Man written by Stan Lee's brother. Meanwhile, DC had Doom Patrol and Metamorpho, also crazy ideas, also some of the more decent stuff.

>>149813298
I’ll give you Doom Patrol and Metamorpho, and Enemy Ace was another great DC Silver Age comic, even if it falls outside the cape realm. Stuff like Green Lantern and The Flash were full of ideas, and really did get those heroes established, but they’re chore to read. The characters feel very stiff and one-note, like they’re all built from the same hero template. That’s probably why the more “imperfect” ones like Doom Patrol and Metamorpho go down more smoothly.

Comparing to Marvel, it was kind of Lee’s whole point to do the “heroes with hang-ups” idea, and I think that helped in the long run. Sure, the dialogue is bloated as was standard for the time, but there was a little more humanity and character to each hero. Some were indeed shit though, like Iron Man as you mentioned. They couldn’t figure out what to do with Hulk for the longest time either, and very few of his SA comics are worth looking at. X-Men was hot trash as well.

>>149799160 (OP)
OP here, I'm thinking of reading this one next. Is it good choice?

Is the current King run good?

>>149814697
No, read Rucka's 2003 run instead. At the very least read The Hiketeia, which gives a pretty good look into the issues WW faces dealing with both mythology and the modern world.

>>149814697
No. Rucka's second run is even worse than his first.
Also, don't listen to retards who say that Absolute WW is any good, it isn't.

>>149814768
>King
You have you your answer.

I think we have to accept a hard truth that most DC fans are unwilling to accept.

Wonder Woman is an uninteresting character.

Her relevance is directly tied to her iconic status as the first significant female superhero. She is basically the female Superman, but with even less going for her. Does it make sense to include her in the front of the DC Universe from a commercial standpoint? Sure. But artistically, there is very little that is interesting to pull from the character. This is why you have a schizophrenic depictions of the charcter that don't line up with each other. Writers keep on trying to make her interesting and keep on failing.

>>149814697
both Rucka runs are fine, it's preferential if you like the 2016 one but /co/ usually prefers 2003 since it's older and pre-Flashpoint.
>149814936
every 2 days some faggot on this board posts the exact same thing thinking he's profound or intelligent for having an original thought, one that's not even correct in the first place

>>149804366
>nta but wasn’t that New Earth and not Prime Earth?
New Earth shit's canon again. Somehow.

>>149799495
>if you like big bouncing tits and cleavage, watch the 1970s show.

Carter is a gmilf now, still has huge titty to mog Godot.

>>149804366
>>149815465
it's all thanks to Rebirth basically merging New 52 with post-Crisis/pre-Flashpoint continuity meaning it's all canon yet isn't at the same time, honestly don't worry too much about it because in another 5 years the continuity will be wiped again

>>149799160 (OP)
>Femdom book
Fine, but in all honesty, a forced feminization Wonder Woman book I think would do gangbusters. WW was obvioisly meant for erotica, Morrison saw that himself. Why not just go with it at this point?

is The Legend of Wonder Woman good? I’ve been told it’s a nice starting point that’s out of continuity like All-Star Superman but nothing about the actual quality of the book

>>149807802
>because I’ve seen plenty of /co/ posts complaining about post-Crisis either out of Silver Age nostalgia
No, you haven’t lol

>>149815982
I'm down with it as long as the writing is good which means a Euro or a Japanese will have to handle it since most American porn comics are just complete shite.

>>149814768
>>149815982

>>149814768
Genuinely one of kings worst runs and hes got a career worth of dookie.

>>149818866
Is she on the rag?

>>149814768
>King
>good
No, and not only is it not good because it's King, it's bad even by his standards. Legitimately the only good run Diana has had in God knows how long is currently Absolute

>>149820462
No but Frank Miller was on something

>>149814697
Yeah, it's fine.

>>149820600
Fuck you absolute is fucking terrible. Rucka’s rebirh run is better than that shit and I hate rucka. Even the sharpe snoozefest mini with Batman was better.

Kelly Thompson has never written a good comic but absolute Wonder Woman is one of her weakest.

was picrel any good

>>149823013
no

>>149823982
Not really.

>>149823982
It’s genuinely awful. DWJ simply isn’t a good writer.

That being said his maxi series with Riley rossmo that ended a month or two back was pretty good.

>>149823013
Yeah I’ll be honest man it just kinda seems to me as if Thompson has a decent PR effort behind her. Nothing she’s made has ever spoken to me in any way. I particularly dislike her BoP and Absolute Wondy. Just truly awful.

It was best when she was at marvel cause I don’t give a fuck about marvel characters for the most part lol. I’ll pick up a marvel title here or there but I just always cared more about the dc characters.

>>149807802
Complaints about post crisis superman are more targeted at the editorial

>>149811440
I found the ones that I read enjoyable, they were Saturday morning cartoons in print form.

>>149823013
it isn't that bad

>>149824536
>Riley rossmo
Glad he can put out good comics after that hideous disaster of a Tim Drake mini.

>>149827213
He put out many before that too

>>149820600
King only has one good comic to his name and even that is debated on /co/

>>149799495
I forgot to add it in this post but I wanted to mention Rucka's earlier 2003 run in the parentheses alongside Gail Simone's run too as evidenced by here >>149800871
and I completely forgot to mention Absolute, which has been a lot of fun despite being AU
>>149811425
thanks, I just had to get the best recs out of the way before began arguing about anything
>>149815512
Gal Gadot as WW was terrible and I sincerely hope the new DCU Wonder Woman overshadows her completely. Lynda Carter is still a hot cutie and will always be

>>149814768
this panel is the only good thing about his entire run and that's saying something even by King's standards

I'm convinced people screeching about Absolute WW are just paid Tom King shills. genuinely I can't see how people would hate the thing, I can understand finding it mediocre or just not your cup of tea but to go out and say it's irredeemable trash is lowkey suspicious

>>149816669
no answers? damn, should I just make a thread or something

>>149816669
it's mid

>>149814768
She good them nice muscles.

>>149814768
those muscles make incels and faggots mad and that's always a good thing

>>149828730
Yeah, it isn't exactly my cup of tea but it is 100% better than the trash King is shitting out.

>>149809711
>Azzarello New 52 run
>best
lmao what the fuck

>>149827213
lmao wtf

>>149831824
the only good thing about King's run, if we can even consider it one, is that it's about Diana and not Yara Flor like DC shamelessly tried to push a few years ago

>>149833294
Yara flor was only ever in wonder girl. She never replaced Wonder Woman. Nubia did though so direct your outrage to the correct character.

>>149828730
No king being awful doesn’t make that trash any better. The thing I get sick of with you shills is this “it’s okay to find it mediocre but to call it bad is a bridge too far” nonsense. Kill yourself. You don’t decide what people’s opinions are allowed to be or what their standards should be.

Frankly the art is grotesque and the characterization might as well be an OC. The same problem with all of the Absolute books. There is no reason to do a different take on a character if they don’t resemble the original at all, it adds nothing to the premise. Beyond that Thompson, like Tom Taylor and Tom king for that matter, is incapable of writing anyone without using the same voice. Every character is the same person.

The worst part about the art is that Sherman is currently KILLING it on dark patterns. Yet in Wonder Woman all the women look like ugly transsexual men dressed as women, and all the men are effeminate, and outside of the paneling it all looks phoned in.

The only good absolute book is Martian manhunter and it’s hard carried by the art. It’s the only camp comic I’ve liked because he’s an awful writer but just like tamaki’s zatanna J Rod managed to elevate a mediocre script to something that soars.

>>149807802
Don't let them gaslight you, I've seen them too.

>>149811440
>Nobody actually likes Silver Age comics
I do

>>149834170
>Frankly the art is grotesque
I've yet to see someone shit on Absolute Wonder Woman without saying this which never comes across as anything but "the women aren't Campbell pinups"
>Yet in Wonder Woman all the women look like ugly transsexual men dressed as women, and all the men are effeminate,
yeah there you go, that's the moment I stop paying attention. It's one thing to celebrate bad girl art, pinups, etc when they exist- it's another to demand everything be that. Retard brains like yours nearly cost us that sort of art for your greed, don't do it again now we're recovering, nigger

>>149834065
DiDio was planning on characters like Yara or Jace replacing the main heroes until he got btfo'd and his 5G plans were rebranded as Future State, there was full intention to have this industry plant character become WW with a TV adaptation in the works too. I don't hate Nubia being WW because she's been an established character for some time now and I don't mind her

>>149834279
I’m well aware and yet in reality she never replaced Wonder Woman you retard. Most of 5G was limited to future state and only really Jon kent was given the title for a while. Jace a side series nobody paid attention to.

>I don’t hate Nubia because reasons
Kill yourself faggot. Cass or Donna make sense, Nubia is Nubia she isn’t wonder girl and should never be Wonder Woman.
>b-b-but she was that one time!

>>149834170
so many words just to say "Diana and the other women don't look like scanty supermodels reeeeeeee" which is far from a sensible opinion or criticism and reaffirms my point about posts like these being lowkey suspicious. I said they're probably Tom King shills but I should've accounted for the sheer retardation present on this board

>>149834247
>y-y-you just want pinups
And yet I’m telling people to read absolute Martian manhunter and dark patterns, also drawn by Sherman. neither of which titles have pinup women in them. Quit fucking talking you disingenuous faggot fuck.

>>149834347
>>149834247
Why samefag just to say the same thing?

See: >>149834351

The DC shill is melting down again. One of these times I hope she gets so worked up she offs herself.

>>149834337
>yet in reality she never replaced Wonder Woman
yes because the push failed before it came to fruition, thanks for repeating what I said
>Cass or Donna make sense
also makes sense, and so does Nubia
>Nubia should never be Wonder Woman
nothing says she couldn't be for a temporary time, just like Artemis was. and Nubia is an established character rather than a cocky writer trying to push their new super special OC
>Kill yourself faggot
can I not have a single intelligent conversation with people without it devolving into muh namecalling and edgy insults just because I said I don't hate a black character? Yara wouldn't be as bad if she organically developed her character over time but it's clear they were aiming for quick diversity points over functional writing

>>149834371
no samefagging here unless you're talking about yourself, I'm the original guy you responded to

>>149834445
Screencaps prove nothing when literally any asshole can edit HTML dumbass. Considering the “other anon” didn’t reply I’ll accept your concession.

>>149834424
The push never happened anon. None of the 5G ideas made it out of future state beyond jace and Jon. And really only Jon had a “push” out of the two.

A push isn’t an abandoned initiative, a push is a character getting actual page space and story arcs.

Donna is more established, cass is even more established. Nubia was barely a background character for her first 40 years.

>>149835121
wow you sure replied in a jiffy! and with a “muh concession is accepted” cope to back your own delusion

>>149835197
I had work to take care of, and yet still “the other” anon is silent. Funny how that works.

>>149835121
the "other anon" was busy doing IRL shit instead of crying here that the women don't look fuckable in one comic

>>149835329
and why should I care that the other anon is inactive? I know I’m a different person, and I know it’s because I was the original guy you responded to. and I also know you’re just pulling the samefag thing out of your ass because you had no reply to the earlier argument about retards only shitting on Absolute WW because they’re Tom King shills or just plain retarded, so you had to divert attention somehow.

>>149815512
I wish she did more nudity/sex scenes in her prime, those tits of hers are ones to die for

>>149836141
I literally said multiple times Tom king is worse lol. You faggots are so disingenuous.

>>149836980
hence me realizing that it’s not just King shills or anything but me underestimating the extreme lack of taste retards in this board can have, as seen here >>149834347

>>149833294
Yara's fine, I don't mind her sticking around as Wonder Girl.

>>149823013
Absolute Wondy is great you fag

>>149823013
kys

>>149836629
that Apocalypse Now pinup mmmmmm

>>149834170
nothing about the art is grotesque and if you wanna project trannies on unrelated things then this isn’t the board for you

>>149842344
>>149840023
>>149838182
>>149837111
Absolute Seethe #1

>>149799160 (OP)
I think it is crazy they made this the Compact Comic for Wonder Woman. This is now unironically many people's first introduction to the character lol.

>>149842542
The choices for the line are pretty shitty all things considered. Some, like this, are downright bizarre.

>>149842952
what other picks are bad? just curious
>>149842517
if you were gonna seriously argue with them about Absolute WW being bad then this comment isn't working in your favor

>>149835142
fair, I'll agree to disagree on our different opinions of the word "push" but I could've sworn they were producing a TV series on Yara. still, we can't ignore that DiDio very much wanted 5G to phase out all the classic heroes.
>Donna is more established, cass is even more established. Nubia was barely a background character for her first 40 years.
and I wouldn't mind if any three of them temporarily became Wonder Woman in Diana's absence, especially since I'm a sucker for Donna. I didn't really mind Nubia's stint especially since I knew it wouldn't last. would I have preferred Donna instead? absolutely, but I have no hard feelings like I would've had with Yara who's just an ugly industry plant quickly created to try and push her into the forefront

bump

>>149799160 (OP)

>>149845841
Why?

>>149847923
Because

>>149847073
Is there recommendations for the animated films?
I hear bloodlines is good.

>>149806464
Wasn't perez following the retarded mandates DC made for every fucking character post crisis because someone didn't like trevor and the TV show out of pure jealousy?
Because i am 100% sure this was part of the Supeman Manifesto, even one of the reasons of why batman had to be re-imaginated with year one

>>149848193
the 2009 one is best

>>149810299
Nobody cares about Wonder Woman in general.

>>149850468
>/co/tard seething about Diana being popular as fuck
what else is new

>>149850523
Across either of the big 2 she ranks well outside the top 5, maybe barely in the top 10. Even at DC she’s probably only at the 4 or 5 spot.

>>149850907
That's fucking great there are almost 400 comic books released monthly

>>149850907
>Diana proves why she's still the DC trinity and one of the four figures on the superhero Mount Rushmore
where's the problem?

>Diana continues to constantly prove why she's still the DC trinity and one of the four figures on the superhero Mount Rushmore
>/co/tards still insist she's not popular because... she just isn't, okay?!?!
where's the problem?

>>149799160 (OP)
Robert Kainiger who ghost wrote and edited the book for Moulton from 1948 -1968, just like Morrison he fundamentally misunderstood Moulton and hates women.
But you get pure silver age madness like the Impossible WW stories where she teams up with herself as a child and teenager which lead to the accidental creation of Donna Troy, Stories about WW looking for her father, WW in a love square with Steve Trevor, a birdman and a merman that goes on for years and a Golden Age reboot in like 1964 where full stop telling Silver Age stories go back the Golden Age set in WW2 complete with Henry G. Peter look alike crude art.