>tfw people are starting to become somewhat critical of the show now
what happened? did the filoni magic wore off or something? it's been like 5 years since the revival season and people are acting like it's a stain on the franchise.

What "people"?

>>149801687 (OP)
Haven't they always been like this?

>>149801687 (OP)
people despised this show when it started

>>149803046
The movie genuinely sucked and people were still in the PREQUEL BAD mindset.

>>149801687 (OP)
The show was always shit. Anything related to the prequels is.

>>149803131
the movie and most of the first season
>>149803159
CW03 and the middle seasons of TCW were great

>>149801687 (OP)
TLDR Filonifaggotry was at an all-time high after the Sequels were revealed as a massive turd. Up until here, the general casualfag genuinely thought Lucas was some idiot who got saved by his wife and Kasdan, and Filoni "SAVED LE STAR WARS" (because of the retarded Plinkett anti-Prequel movement) People started deluding themselves that the Filoni series would be "THE GEM THAT SAVED STAR WARS". They kept believing in this bullshit through Mando S1 and S2 despite both being mediocre at best (reminds me of how people treated TFA before TLJ made them come back and see how it was just a shameful ANH copy but with Jar Jar Abrahms retardation ruining it more).

Then came the shitshow. He collaborated on Book of Boba Fett which was fucking awful. He presumably helped with Kenobi and Acolyte which were some of the worst SW ever. He made Ahsoka which was just as bad and then Mando S3 AKA Lizzo and Jack Black bullshit. People started asking "what's going on? He was the bestest writer of them all?"

Then people went back to ACTUALLY watch Filoni's stuff without their rose tinted glasses. TCW and Rebels are kiddie trash which exploited the anti-Prequel movement (which started to be fought against after the ST showed what a BAD SW MOVIE looks like). Mando was boring and shit. It became worse when people went back to reading the MMP pre-Filoni and discovered how much better it was and how Filoni shamelessly stole from MMP stories while forcing THEM to conform to his own story. Ahsoka herself was viewed in a new light after all the hype post-Rebels wore down, her being a shitty OC forced in that ruins Anakin and Obi-Wan's arc who Lucas wanted dead by the end of TCW (of course, Filoni ignored that)

And so we end here. Filonifags are in shambles and the EU wins. The casualfags no longer see Filoni as "the one good thing in Disney SW" (that often goes to Andor now) and instead see him as a low-tier writer who got lucky off of Internet culture at the time.

>>149801768
contrarians

>>149801687 (OP)
Literally who

>>149804163
>the EU wins
kek
Also,
>still blaming Plinkett for Prequel hate
double kek

>>149804183
Leia been existed though. Mara Jade too. And Jaina.

>>149804284
>Mara Jade too. And Jaina
>>149804265

>>149804265
>still blaming Plinkett for Prequel hate
Literally just old guys who hated the new thing for being different. They just wanted a rehash of the shit they watched as kids, which the Sequels were and look what happened there.

>>149804265
What George considers canon or not is ultimately meaningless. He also doesn't consider TCW canon, or the new Disney material obviously. To him, only his films are the true G canon and they've always been

>still blaming Plinkett for Prequel hate
Plinkett was the very reason the Prequels were hated to death. He basically overexaggerated every point like Jar Jar (who makes up for like 1% of TPM yet got blamed for the entire PT), Anakin being awkward (major part of his bloody character) and the CGI when the PT has tons of practical effects. PT hate is mostly bullshit and he was the n. 1 pusher

>>149804163
>TCW and Rebels . . . exploited the anti-Prequel movement
Uhh, how?

>>149804332
https://www.chefelf.com/starwars/ep1.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lPG1u6EbiY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHOTkSfVb4o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARfYzbNzxAU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWg0NlRU6-c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeOdW3UyP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDCjIjsZp_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzDIClx-_pY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMYp8pek0zk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFcs9hIn_Qs
https://youtu.be/g81PoGKO0qA
https://youtu.be/77lh4Ct6wdE
Keep in mind, all of this is PRE-PLINKETT.

growing up is realizing that star wars is not very good. the only decent movies are the original trilogy, and they're mediocre. only the setting is exciting

>>149804332
>He also doesn't consider TCW canon
Me when I lie.
>“I am the father of our Star Wars movie world—the filmed entertainment, the features and now [The Clone Wars] animated film and television series,” Lucas says. “And I’m going to do a live-action television series. Those are all things I am very involved in: I set them up and I train the people and I go through them all. I’m the father; that’s my work. Then we have the licensing group, which does the games, toys and books, and all that other stuff. I call that the son—and the son does pretty much what he wants.” He laughs. “Once in a while, they ask a question like ‘Can we kill off Yoda?’, things like that, but it’s very loose. Then we have the third group, the holy ghost, which is the bloggers and fans. They have created their own world. I worry about the father’s world. The son and holy ghost can go their own way.”- George Lucas: Mr Emperor strikes back

>George Lucas: I haven’t limited myself with what stories I’ve wanted to tell; this is Star Wars, and I don’t make a distinction between the series and the films. It’s just a different format and a different delivery.

>GEORGE LUCAS: Even though we’re a weekly series, I don’t treat this like TV. I treat it like my movies. My process doesn’t change because we’re in a different medium.

>George Lucas: There's three pillars: the father, the son and the holy ghost. I'm the father, Howard Roffman [president of Lucas Licensing] is the son and the holy ghost is the fans, this kind of ethereal world of people coming up with all kinds of different ideas and histories. Now these three different pillars don't always match, but the movies and TV shows are all under my control and they are consistent within themselves. Howard tries to be consistent but sometimes he goes off on tangents and it's hard to hold him back.

>>149804332
>He also doesn't consider TCW canon
He was the main creative force behind TCW. He's the one who decided Anakin should have a padawan, not Filoni.

>>149801768
>>149804265
>>149804444
Filonijew… go back to Twitter…

>>149804358
TCW was the very definition of what anti-Prequel "fans" wanted. It was much more kid-friendly even in the supposed "edgier" later seasons. The war was almost taken as a joke. The clones were each their own dedicated character. You had TCW staff admit they also disliked the PT and changed the characters. Anakin now lost his edge which was the POINT of the character and became a generic good guy even right after AotC who occassionally had his telegraphed Darth Vader moments to "tease his downfall". Obi-Wan went from a stern and serious representation of the perfect Old Order Jedi using some sarcasm to cope to a quippy Han Solo wannabe betraying his Jedi principles. Etc etc.

No real warfare, no real political intrigue, no moral ambiguity about the Jedis and the Republic being corrupt, no evolution of characters or arcs, main enemies become Saturday Morning Cartoon villains, clones become generic conscripts who rise through the ranks, quirky humor... it's all the average OT fan would want instead of the PT

As for Rebels, it was less hating the PT and more just being Filoni fanfiction. His favourite clones live and so does Ahsoka, there's time travel and a quirky chungus Mandalorian graffiti girl who holds the darksaber (lightsaber but for pacifist Mandalorians cause we can't have them be evil) and then the group beats the Inquisitors and Darth Vader and Thrawn and all live happily ever after. Yawn

>>149801687 (OP)
TCW and everything post 2007 were not a stain, but a cancer that grew and killed the franchise.

>>149803131
How come people didn't hate the Clone Wars show then?

>>149801687 (OP)
I honestly preferred Genndy's CW over TCW. I never could get too invested into TCW as a kid because even if I didn't know it at the time, it didn't exactly feel like Star Wars and more like a project inspired by Star Wars but without evoking what gave the series its identity.

>>149804408
The biggest problem with SW fans and the public perception of Star Wars is that the movies are pulpy sci-fantasy and how everyone has forgotten that what makes SW pop is something found in all pulp genre fiction. Lucas was clever in how he brought this to the commercial mainstream and proved you could make a long-running multimedia franchise out of it, but people put him and what he made on a pedestal to obsess over rather than study what inspired him and make movies inspired by their favorite books, childhood, and comics.

>>149804471
You got it spot-on, but TCW does go for the "the Jedi are corrupt" angle which is incorrect. Lucas has made it clear that the Republic was corrupt, not the Jedi.

>>149804444
Filonitroon, TCW was never in G-canon, it was always in a lower tier. Lucas tried to be kind in interviews but behind the scenes it was all a cashgrab, kind of like the Holiday Special but with far better reputation

>He was the main creative force behind TCW. He's the one who decided Anakin should have a padawan, not Filoni.
False, he wasn't the main force though he did decide some things. However, this doesn't mean it was under an artistic purpose. Lucas also was a major lead behind The Force Unleashed despite the fact that game shits on a lot of the things on his films, because he knew it would be a commercial success.
Ahsoka was just a character meant to appeal to kids as the quirky sidekick to Anakin. She wasn't meant to have any sort of real attempt at an artistic characterisation, she was there to sell toys. Filoni then developed her into a shitty OC and then Lucas went "OK, but I want her dead by the end so she doesn't mess with MY movies". Of course he got lucky with the Disney acquisition so he could go behind George's back

>>149804471
>TCW was the very definition of what anti-Prequel "fans" wanted.
Is that why George decided to make it? Is that why Jar Jar was in it? Anakin himself? Politics? Midichlorians? Is that why Lucas decided to introduce a new younger character? Lucas never cared what "fans" wanted.
>“It’s much easier for me to just do the show I want, say, ‘Here it is, do you wish to license it or not?’ ” Mr. Lucas said. “That’s it. There’s no notes, no comments. I don’t care what your opinion is. You either put it on the air or you don’t.”

>It was much more kid-friendly
It wasn't. It was PG, like the rest of the movies. According to Lucas, it was the same as the movies and for the same audiences.

>The war was almost taken as a joke
So, like the movies? "This is where the fun begins."

>The clones were each their own dedicated character.
Just as George wanted.

>You had TCW staff admit they also disliked the PT and changed the characters
Liar.

>Anakin now lost his edge which was the POINT of the character
So, what you are saying is that George does not understand his own characters?

>Obi-Wan went from a stern and serious
I doubt you watched the movies. Obi-Wan was always witty.

>No real warfare, no real political intrigue
Cute lies.

>no moral ambiguity about the Jedis
There never was one. George Lucas said a billion times that Jedi did nothing wrong. And besides, there were a couple of fallen Jedi. Not too much, not to distract from the eventual downfall of Anakin.

>and the Republic being corrupt
False. Many episodes dedicated to that.

>no evolution of characters or arcs
False. Anakin, Ahsoka, Rex, Ventress, Obi-Wan, Domino Squad, Maul, Savage, and many more.

Damn, you are such a retarded faggot, kek.

>>149804536
>Lucas has made it clear that the Republic was corrupt, not the Jedi
I am 200% sure he changed his opinions. The PT makes it so abundantly apparent that the Jedi are corrupt and are basically responsible for Anakin's fall by treating him as worthless and dangerous, as well as ignoring all the signs and being too blind to notice. I think he intended to have both be corrupt so Luke's rebuilt Jedi Order was the truly good Jedi Order but then he changed his opinion around the time TCW came out

>>149804595
Why are you so obsessed with a mediocre CGI action cartoon. Like, at this point I just feel curious about why you dedicate so, so much of your time to patrolling the web in order to "defend" an OK-at-best cartoon for kids.

>>149804553
G-canon was never a thing outside of Holocron Database intended for licensing made up by Leland Chee.

>"Understand, that the Holocron's primary purpose is to keep track of Star Wars continuity for Lucas Licensing , and to some degree Lucas Online. To my knowledge, it is only *rarely used for production purposes."-Leland Chee

>"I think people over emphasize the importance of the canon level. The intent of the canon levels was, as the main intent was 'if someones looking for the ships from a film, they can than use those fields to check for them only in the films, and thus separate that from what was in the EU. So we can look at it case by case. I think there is an over emphasis of what those fields mean and what they represent".-Leland Chee

>"Star Wars continuity, even EU continuity, does not rest on my shoulders. Understand, that the Holocron's primary purpose is to keep track of Star Wars continuity for Lucas Licensing, and after that, if the editors or developers have any questions, they pass it along to me to check for continuity. At the same time, I am constantly on the lookout to make sure that any new continuity being created gets entered in the Holocron. With regard to the the films and The Clone Wars, I am not involved in continuity approvals though I have often been asked to provide reference material."-Leland Chee

>"What George did with the films and The Clone Wars was pretty much his universe ,” Chee said. “He didn’t really have that much concern for what we were doing in the books and games. So the Expanded Universe was very much separate."-Leland Chee

>“Lucas’ canon–and when I say ‘his canon’, I’m talking about what he was doing in the films and what he was doing in The Clone Wars–was hugely important. But what we were doing in the books really wasn’t on his radar.”-Leland Chee

Lucas made it CLEAR a million times, that TCW was HIS Star Wars world. Everything else is pathetic EUtranny COPE.

>>149804536
>Lucas has made it clear that the Republic was corrupt, not the Jedi
Yes, the Jedi who kidnap and indoctrinate children are totally NOT corrupt.

Ahsoka is a marysue woke donut steel

>>149801687 (OP)
Because it's not very good, in hindsight. And people have become tired of what arguably is its most important contribution to the SW canon: Ahsoka.

>>149804553
>Lucas tried to be kind in interviews but behind the scenes it was all a cashgrab
Nice cope, EUtroon. Is that why he poured hundreds of millions of dollars of his own money into it, built a whole new studio from the ground up, was deeply involved in it on a daily basis, and called it his passion project?
>"[The Clone Wars] is a passion project for me, I really enjoyed doing it."—George Lucas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTYc9kpg2kE

>However, this doesn't mean it was under an artistic purpose.
More cope, lol.

>When he works on the “Star Wars” properties he owns outright, Mr. Lucas has the freedom to ignore the input of others. In the case of “The Clone Wars” he is financing the series himself and charging Time Warner licensing fees to distribute the film and broadcast the show. (A person with knowledge of the company’s animation operations, speaking anonymously to avoid offending Mr. Lucas, said that the earliest episodes of “The Clone Wars” probably cost $750,000 to $1.5 million each.) “It’s much easier for me to just do the show I want, say, ‘Here it is, do you wish to license it or not?’ ” Mr. Lucas said. “That’s it. There’s no notes, no comments. I don’t care what your opinion is. You either put it on the air or you don’t.”- George Lucas, Free to Follow His Heart Right Back to ‘Star Wars

>Lucas also was a major lead behind The Force Unleashed
He wasn't. He attended a few meetings, told them to give Starkiller a love interest and told them to name him Darth Insanious or Darth Icky. That's about it. And he never acknowledged videogames as a part of his world, lol.

It's so fun dissecting your bullshit, retarded loser, lmao.

>>149804712
It's the only good Star Wars show that has been made.

>>149804731
Wow Filonitroon, you are so pathetically mad. Did I insult your little perfect show? I guess in your deluded mind it's literally the bestest show and it's so much better than any of the EU and of course Lucas made it professionally, IT'S JUST LIKE REVENGE OF THE SITH

Your points are so fucking pathetic. "Well muh Lucas said this once in muh interview so that's how things are!". Kys, the conversation never even revolved around Lucas in interviews in the first place. TCW is the most pathetic kiddie rubbish imaginable. There is zero real drama, zero arcs, zero worthwhile content. The characters absolutely do not stay close to what the movies do ("OH BUT OBI-WAN ONCE SAID SOMETHING WITTY SO HE'S LIKE MUH STARLORD"), it's so bland and one-dimensional and Filoni is just a bad writer.

Also all the arcs you said exist are literally some of the most pathetic, non-developmental trite imaginable. I think My Little Pony has better arcs. And Maul should have stayed six feet below ground, of course you suck Filoni cock well so you'll just come back acting all superior that "I ACTUALLY GET IT AND YOU DON'T" mega kek

>>149804853
Concession accepted, EUtroon.

>>149804332

>>149801687 (OP)
Filoni is being lumped in with Kathleen Kennedy as to blame for the state of Star Wars and the ruining of the skywalker legacy. Fairly or unfairly.

>>149804879
That being said, I have a question: Why are you so butthurt about EU fans criticising TCW? I ask because it's obvious you have all this planned, a literal TCT file full of quotes from Lucas in some interview from 200X going "yeah yeah it's like the bestest show"

Consider it genuine morbid curiosity. Why do you feel the need to defend TCW like a white knight like this? I don't understand your kind and I'm genuinely curious

>>149804853
>Maul should have stayed six feet below ground
But anon, all of your fellow Lucashounds now LOVE Maul somehow returning ever since George mentioned it as one of his ideas for the ST.

I think a lot of criticisms levied against TCW hinging so much on whether or not the series contradicted the existing continuity or how it compares to the EU hurt the conversation around it in the long run. I haven't read a single CWMP comic or novel, and I still thought TCW sucked.

EUniggers are so easy, because they make up the most blatant shit imaginable to make their retarded points, straight up lies, and that retarded shit and lies happened to be refuted by Lucas (who they also think is /theirguy/ LMAO) POINT BY POINT personally a billion times, with proofs. It's incredibly fucking funny, kek. Each and every time. And when faced with factual proofs straight from the creator of Star Wars, they go into ooga booga blue screen of death denial mode, "WELL, WHO CARES WHAT LUCAS SAID!!111", yet they were the ones who invoked Lucas in the first place, attributing him a bunch of bullshit to make their bullshit points. They are just like that: lying, disgusting creatures.

>>149804929
I'm not even a Lucashound lol. I don't think he's the worst writer ever and I think he gets too much hate at points but I also don't worship the man

I don't think Star Wars sequels should have existed at all regardless of what they had

>>149804944
Oh so this is literally just "Lucas said, Lucas said" kek

OK, let's say you made your point. Muh Lucas said TCW was perfect and great and such and such. TCW still sucks balls and the MMP is way better. Is your argument purely reliant on "Lucas said this so it's obviously correct because only he knows the TRUE Star Wars!"? Because I find that quite dim anyways

And somehow I feel you'll just act all mightier than thou in the response like an immature kid

>>149804921
Because he is like Bazztek/XVkun/the Final Fantasy schizo on /v/ - a literal autist who hyerfixated on a specific entry of a popular franchise and has a compulsive need to attack anyone and anything that threatens said entry's reputation, which already happens to be controversial.
The only difference is that TCWschizo/Filonijew or however people like to call him has only been at it for five years compared to Barry's decade of shitposting, and is not nearly as unhinged as a result (yet).

>>149805213
I see. That does make a lot of sense

I will fully admit I did not know about those Lucas quotes. IF TRUE (that is a BIG true), then I admit I was wholeheartedly wrong. Still, TCW fucking sucks and his excuses for points against my argument are just plain pathetic

Although I'm still curious what a hyperautist channer would find interesting in TCW. I suppose it's as simple as "he grew up autistically attached to it"

>>149804988
That's, like, your opinion, man.

Understand, that no one gives a shit what you like or not. No one cares to convert you. I will always think that TCW is way better and EU sucks balls and has nothing in common with Star Wars: divorced from it tonally, aesthetically, commonly misunderstands its themes and characters, and is just mostly all around retarded -- which can be easily explained by being divorced from its creator, but that's besides the point. You sperging each and every time someone mentions anything related to LUCAS'S THE CLONE WARS will not change mine or anyone's opinion.

But if in order to defend whatever shitty opinion you have and to criticize TCW, the likes of you need to make shit up and lie through your teeth, it just really says a lot about you: you argue in bad faith, you don't actually have any real point to make, you desperately try to make up bullshit to de-legitimize a show made by the creator of Star Wars, while propping up literal fanfiction to justify your subjective taste, to make it "objective", and all of your bullshit is easily refuted by Lucas himself, whom the likes of you usually invoke first while attributing a bunch of made up crap to him. And you get very, very mad when you are refuted. You go into hilarious cope and denial mode. "NOOO, LUCAS DID NOT MEAN THIS! HE ACTUALLY MEANT THAT! WELL, WHO CARES WHAT HE SAID, ANYWAY?" Absolute schizophrenia. You faggots are mentally ill.

>>149804393
Again, old nerds bitching about the new shit. Happens all the time.

>>149805293
Zero self awareness.

>>149805262
I think he is just a massive Ahsokfag at the bottom of it, if you ask me. The weird parasocial rivalry he has got going on with a Ventressfag reminds me too much of classic waifuautist slapfights.
Also, while he is not wrong about Lucas' involvement with TCW, he just uses him as a shield against criticism. Otherwise, he consistently shits on the prequel films.
>>149805293
>Absolute schizophrenia. You faggots are mentally ill.
Projection. This is called projection.

>>149805293
So then, may I ask what the point of spending years around here sperging out trying to "win arguments" (that isn't how arguments work) by telling people that Lucas said this and Lucas said that and they're wrong is? I believe EU fans do indeed have a rightful point to make, and are rather misinformed because indeed most of us find TCW quite far in tone from the very PT, and most of us aren't autistic enough to go around searching for what Lucas said in a 2010 interview to "beat the haterz" or whatever.

So at the end of the day, you're just wasting your time by defending a show in a platform which largely sees it as a deviation of good Star Wars while you don't, by using quotes people care little about to attack a single, often weak point people make (because TCW isn't hated because of some thought Lucas disowned it, people don't fall to appeal to authority that fast) all so you can prove your belief that EU "niggers" are all evil liars and don't know true Star Wars? Isn't that quite sad?

>>149805381
Ah so he's a Prequel hater. I mean I did say that most of the people who adore TCW are Prequel haters and that the show is basically designed to demolish all the special qualities of the PT and turn it into more family-friendly Star Wars content akin to the OT so PT haters could hate it lol

>>149804536
>the Republic was corrupt, not the Jedi
They're complicit in the corruption by serving as the Republic's enforcers and later as its generals, and complicity in corruption is just... corruption.

>>149805414
>all the special qualities of the PT
kek

>>149805381
>he just uses him as a shield against criticism.
When criticism is a bunch of easily refutable bullshit, that doesn't make you look good, and it makes it easy.
>Otherwise, he consistently shits on the prequel films.
>source: dude, trust me
I've been defending the prequels while you were still on reddit, before you came to 4chan in 2020 in /wars/ threads, fag. Faggots like you did not (and still don't) understand even the fundamentals of those films, and believed Jedi were hecking evil and Anakin was right to sperg out, or something.

>>149805388
Nah, refuting bullshit is worth it, just to educate someone who may pass by and to expose the likes of you for a bunch of lying faggots that you are. Also, TCW threads get more discussion and replies than any EU thread, ever. The usual few schizos who are butthurt about it aren't "the platform".

>>149805414
>Ah so he's a Prequel hater. I mean I did say that most of the people who adore TCW are Prequel haters and that the show is basically designed to demolish all the special qualities of the PT and turn it into more family-friendly Star Wars content akin to the OT so PT haters could hate it lol
See above. You're retarded. When you have no argument, you resort to making shit up, as usual. And you have yet to state how the prequels are more "adult" than TCW, lol. All of Star Wars is for 12-year-olds. It's PG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THKzwzieF40

>>149805455
Speaking of: people who made the EU *actually* hated the prequels, and made cringe, mean-spirited dogshit like this: the father of Jar-Jar Binks, named George R Binks, trying to kill himself, because his son is stupid. Or having all the Gungags genocided in those shitty Republic comics, because Jar-Jar and the gungans were so cringe, amirite? This is about all the appearance of Jar Jar and the Gungans in the EU. Really says a lot.

>>149805526
>I've been defending the prequels while you were still on reddit, before you came to 4chan in 2020 in /wars/ threads, fag
Nigger, don't lie, you only started coming to /co/ and 4chan on 2020 for the revival season of TCW. That's as far back as people can trace your activity here.
And don't make share the JediCouncilForums account you registered back in 2021 before getting banned for throwing a tantrum in front of an admin, for your shake.

>>149805526
>Nah, refuting bullshit is worth it, just to educate someone who may pass by and to expose the likes of you for a bunch of lying faggots that you are
This reads more like a personal vendetta. You can't actually believe that someone is going to walk into this thread, read your posts, and go "yeah this guy is right! TCW is the best cause George Lucas said so!", right? People come in here with pre-existing bias, you either are a Filonifag or an EUfag and nobody will change his opinion based on any of us. You yourself said it
>When you have no argument, you resort to making shit up
TCW was adored by the anti-PT movement. Don't try to act all knowledgeful on this you arrogant ass, I was quite well alive during TCW's rise and it was all praise from people who fucking hated the PT.
>All of Star Wars is for 12-year-olds
I'm sure Anakin murdering those children, Order 66, the fight on Mustafar, the politics, the corruption, the drug references are all for 12yo.

>>149805588
Dude this is insanely petty. "Muh TCW haters said that people who watched it hated the PT, so I'll post some random comic where Jar Jar's dad dies to prove that the EU actually HATED the PT". Every post you make just makes you seem more and more petty and just generally miserable ngl, you aren't arguing in good faith at all either. You just hate that EU fans are bashing TCW and are trying to find every way to bash them back which again I just find sad

>>149805455
We get it, you're a zealot with no opinions of his own.

i'm telling you, TCW S7 shilling gave filoni a massive ego and made lucasfilm put all their trust in him

people are also more aware of what he has and hasn't written and judge accordingly (i.e he only was credited with writing for 2 episodes of TCW in 6 seasons

>>149805293
>"no one gives a shit about what you like!"
You obviously care, otherwise you wouldn't sperg out about people liking it

>>149805698
Says the Lucas apologist.

>>149805643
>You can't actually believe that someone is going to walk into this thread, read your posts, and go "yeah this guy is right! TCW is the best cause George Lucas said so!", right?
No, they'll go "huh, these other fags are just making shit up and then go schizo mode when refuted, I guess they're a bunch of retards."
>TCW was adored by the anti-PT movement.
No, no, the original point was that people who made the show hated the prequels. George Lucas, apparently, as far back as early 2005, before Revenge of the Sith was even out in theaters, when the show entered production, fucking hated the prequels, apparently. I have yet to see any factual proof for this, despite such claim being made earlier like an absolute fact.
>I'm sure Anakin murdering those children, Order 66, the fight on Mustafar, the politics, the corruption, the drug references are all for 12yo.
Oh, you mean murder of children that actually was not shown and only implied, people getting bloodlessly shot by lasers, and a bunch of other things -- all of which were in TCW, and MORE, like ACTUALLY showing kids die, suicides, cruel depiction of slavery, a lot more politics than the films had, and so on. From this point on, I doubt you have even seen the show. So, your argument is PG Star Wars violence/edge that is perfectly suitable for 12-year-olds? This holds no water at all. You're not making any case here.
>Dude this is insanely petty.
How so? It's documented that Jar-Jar was viciously hated. His actor received threats, and was considering suicide. GenX manchildren and edgy 80s-90s kids were unhinged. These same people were writing EU. Trying to make it "tough" and "edgy" for "adults", unlike the actual Star Wars made by Lucas:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvsvGem9Ex8
And where was Jar-Jar in the EU? Nowhere. Instead, they made a mean-spirited joke, where his father named GEORGE tries to kill himself, ashamed of his creation. Now this proof that the people writing the EU actually hated him.

Star Wars Tales was out of Continuity.
If your gonna make an argument at least be honest.

>>149801687 (OP)
People realized that
a) Ahsoka is a shit character
b) Filoni is a hack that sniffs his own farts (and Lucas' when it's convenient)
c) There was always a better version of the clone wars era.

>>149805946
Who cares? Licensing, aka the EU, let it be made, they then printed it and published it. People in charge of it approved it all the way through. What's so funny about it? Pic related is in continuity, if that matters to you. But they both convey the same thing: petty disdain for Gungans and Jar Jar.

>>149804461
>sweatily nukes his Twitter account the same day people here found it
o im laffin

>>149806091
filonijew had a twitter? news to me

elaborate if you can

>>149806141
Basically the same there as he is here, just an account dedicated to ERM ACKTUALLY-tier seethe towards anybody who dares talk bad about Filoni or TCW, except less edgy because he's afraid of the Twitter mob like a little pussy, which is why he's so aggressive here.
Posted all the same articles and textwalls and kept getting BTFO by everyone who actually gives a shit about Star Wars. You can still search up his name and see the people that replied to him.

Anyway, here's a charitable amount of posts shitting on the prequels in one way or another made by TCWschizo.
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/search/image/RZzdYCh9SEnbPe4sb3JLkA/
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/190978967/#q190990033
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/196847291/#q196855082
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/198315307/#q198316106
https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/207900745/#q207902134
Just a reminder that his only real interest in SW lies within the confiness of TCW and his opinion on the films will change depending on how it serves the argument at hand.

>>149806188
lol, so filonijew was criticising ventressfag for having a reddit account, when in reality filonijew also had a reddit account himself AND twitter?

>>149806204
Yup. Over on /tv/ he would always infiltrate any thread shitting on TCW and defend the honor of "Lucas' vision," yet any time there were a number of threads shitting on the PT, he was nowhere to be found.
Says everything.

>>149806249
Seems to be the case.
Didn't know about the reddit account though.

>>149804163
>Then came the shitshow. He collaborated on Book of Boba Fett which was fucking awful. He presumably helped with Kenobi and Acolyte which were some of the worst SW ever.
pure schizophrenia.

>>149801687 (OP)
what happened?
people just realized that filoni is that bad tha ks to disney wars terrible ideas and writting
at the beginning he was considered "the good one", the one that would put disney's terrible ideas in the backburner and give us good writting and canonize bits of the EU people like and do it justice
turns out he was also part of the problem

>>149804163
>And so we end here. Filonifags are in shambles and the EU wins.
/swg/ go back to /tg/

>>149806204
Man this is so fucking pathetic.

Filonijew is such a duplicitous bastard. What a total tool, and here I am trying to actually argue with him like a genuine human being instead of a megacuck lying his ass off to defend TCW. What a waste of time

>>149806204
>>149806274
Do you have anything that actually links these posters to this "tcwschizo"? Or are you just off your meds again?

PSA to all reading:

/tv/ schizos exiled to /swg/ obsessed with proving their favourite era of the SW franchise is the only good era have breached contrainment and taken over this thread.

Do not expect anything resembling coherent reasonable discussion ITT.

>implying
lol
lmao
The only one who got exiled to /tg/ was Filonijew. He barely comes to /tv/ anymore because he gets bullied out by actual Star Wars fans and slinks and sulks back to the board game general to seethe about it while other anons are just trying to talk about board games.

>>149806478
Case in point: /tv/ schizo n. 1

>>149806478
This.

>>149806478
You do realize this is just him samefagging in order to push himself as the hero of the story, right?

>>149806541
No I know, it's just kinda funny to make him sweat over his own narrative.

>>149804332
>Plinkett was the very reason the Prequels were hated to death.
Weird, then why did an edit of the film cycle throughout the world a year after TPM release to fix it?

I hate you retarded prequel revisionists trying to act like those movies are great when they were always rightly hated.

>>149806589
dunno my nigger TPM got me into SW.
righly hatter by a minority of oldfags vastly outnumbered by the new people it brought in maybe.

It's fucked up how Gen-Xers ruined both Star Wars & Marvel.

>this whole thread

>>149806589
As somebody that lived through that time I guarantee nobody knew or cared that this existed. Real everyday people enjoyed TPM.

>>149801687 (OP)
Star Wars works so much better as a comic/cartoon. I despise the live-action medium like you wouldn't believe.

>>149806614
Well congratulations, your generation killed humanity.

>>149806614
No retard. Even people introduced to TPM hate the fucking thing. Just because you like the art direction doesn't mean it's good you dumb fuck

>>149806653
sounds like a you problem

>>149806651
Real everyday people also enjoyed TFA. Your point?

>>149806673
TFA was literally what the OTfags wanted. Just more of the same but bigger. No wonder you didn't see any of them complain until Mauler and those guys came to bash the whole ST and then they started acting like they always hated the Sequels

>>149801687 (OP)
people rewatched the show, got to the part abput the stupidity chips and realized he was a hack

>>149806651
I did too and people hated them.

>>149806673
You mean the "people" that got duped into hating the PT by RLM talking points enjoying a film that was made on the basis of those same talking points? I'd hardly call those people real.

>>149806696
Oh damn strong words coming from the faggot that likes the trilogy that rehashes a bunch of OT tropes and storybeats. Oh wait I forgot when Lucas does it, it's poetry, when Disney does it it's trite.

>>149806700
My condolences that you were surrounded by NPCs.

>>149806713
>>149804881
>>149804393

>>149806651
The biggest issue the Prequels had unironically was the cut scenes. Each one was meant to be four hours long and has a shit ton of cut content which develops them far more but they were made into 2 hour movies and that seriously makes them worse by every metric

>>149806733
Yeah a shame I wasn't around people sucking off George Lucas.

>>149806734
>Where do I get my opinions? The Simpsons and lefty cucks, of course.

>>149806739
The Phantom Menace wasn't going to be saved by including that gay scene with Greedo getting beat up by Anakin.

>>149806757
Can't relate, I was just lucky to be around actual Star Wars fans.

>>149806774
Yawn, we get it Filonifag. You hate the Prequels and suck off TCW and the OT like no tomorrow

You remind me of a bunch of faggots I met once who genuinely claimed Star Wars would have been better if it followed the Marvel lore from the seventies lmao. But hey, if you're happy hating a great part of the franchise because of muh Jar Jar and muh Anakin then go ahead

>>149806800
>Blindly loving any shit put on your plate makes you a true fan
No that makes you a cultist.

>>149806800
ACTUAL Star Wars fans were there from the VERY BEGINNING.

>>149806837
Good thing that wasn't the case.

>>149806843
And they were there until 2005.

>>149806835
Nigger Filoni's garbage is shit too. Don't act like you know shit about me. I'm sick of retards trying to convince me the prequels don't suck when their narratives are botched from the get go. Shit I'd need multiple posts just to tear into TPM alone.

>>149806835
>a great part of the franchise
kek

>>149806860
True Star Wars fans appreciate what Disney has given us.

>>149805588
George R. Binks was a literal gag comic character. None of it was canon on any level.

>>149806835
Anon, that's simply not Filonifag. I think he got driven out of the thread already,

>>149806860
>DO NOT QUESTION LUCAS! JUST CONSOOM LUCAS AND GET EXCITED FOR NEXT LUCAS!
That's you. That is literally you.

>>149806885
>>149806909
1/10, don't quit your day job.

>>149806888
See: >>149806066

>>149806912
Don't lump me >>149806909 in with Mouse Boy >>149806885

>>149806912
Unironically what's the difference between fans that like the prequels and fans that like the sequels? They're both retards that love shitty stories and characters because it has the Star Wars brand slapped on it. If you think true fans need to love the prequels then you're no fucking better than those that say true fans need to love the sequels too.

>>149806932
Don't act retarded like Mouse Boy, then.

>>149806944
see >>149805846

The funniest thing about this thread is that only the EUfags constantly keep mentioning Filoni. He sure lives rent free in their heads. Yet no one here seems to actually defend any of the Filoni's actual works.

>>149806942
The difference is one's good and came from a love of Star Wars and the other isn't and didn't. Hope that clears things up for you.

>>149806952
See >>149806912

I think the funniest thing in this thread is how mad the Filonifag gets every time.

>>149806968
Nigger please, George was in it for the money, no different than the mouse. It's why he literally trusted Disney and no one else with his IPs. If you truly trust George's love and vision of the series then you better accept his decison to trust Disney with the franchise.

>>149806957
Aren't all the worst Avatar eps are directed by Filoni?

>>149806998
Didn't say any of that, you simply made that up, which is why your an retard.

>>149806968
George wanted to MOVE ON from Star Wars after RotJ. He only made the prequels to pay off his divorce and because fans wouldn't stop bugging him over it.

>>149807016
If only those dastardly fans didn't put a gun to his head over his own shortcomings in his lovelife...

>>149807013
>The prequels were a labor of love
Nigger they were just a way for George to make more money.

>>149807002
Dunno, never watched Avatar. According to IMDb, they range from 7.6 to 9.6, so definitely not the worst. From what I read, Lucas actually hired him because of his direction on ATLA.

>>149807013
>you simply made that up
Did he?

>>149806957
“Filonijew" is just the way people have chosen to refer to that specific board personality. He only talks about the Filoni Clone Wars cartoon and is supposedly an Israeli (?), so Filonijew it is

>>149807055
I thought Lucas only hired him because Genndy said no?

>>149807064
Damn, I suppose that means we shouldn't trust anything that FIlonifag says when he quotes Lucas about the validity of TCW.

Prequel reappraisal was a Disney astroturf

holy shit I wasn't expecting the the Multimedia VS Filoni Wars debate to be this heated, I just wanted to learn about Thrawn

>>149807158
Very untrue given that prequel reconsideration was happening during the height of prequel hate and Disney building the sequels off the backbone of that prequel hate.

>>149807066

But Clone Wars are Lucas's, no? From many quotes in this thread and it literally says 'created and executive produced', which is the same as David Chase on Sopranos or Nick Pizzolatto on True Detective, and so on... No one refers to Return of the Jedi as Marquand's, or anything. Dave was like just like coordinating the production, directed a bunch of episodes here and there. From what I've gathered, he was there implementing what Lucas wanted, and the scripts were written by a whole lot of people. Has this 'Filonijew' ever defended or shilled Rebels, Bad Batch, the Ahsoka show? Shows actually created and executive produced and written by Filoni? Not that I've seen.

>>149807080

I've never seen that being said by Lucas, t b h

>>149807168
It's just Filonijew trying to derail another pro-EU thread.

The very first line of the Sequel Trilogy is shitting on the Prequels.

>>149807201
You could have had a point if it wasn't for the fact that Filonijew literally gets upset any time someone criticizes Filoni. But you already knew that.

>>149807168
I actually don't care for the debate itself but watching the TCW autist try to fight the rest of the thread is always funny guy needs psychiatric help

>>149804284
>Leia
old news
>Mara Jade
Not canon anymore
>Jaina
Who?

>>149807184
Disney was pandering to you prequel faggots by trying to get influencers to call them misunderstood masterpieces and you faggots fell for the corporate propaganda. Why the fuck do you think disney made the Ahsoka and Obiwan series? They were for you prequel babies. Why else would they bring the N1 back for the Mandalorian?
People don't want to admit this but all those articles
>here's why Star Wars prequels are actually good movies
were articles to shill TFA and Star Wars in general. The internet was flooded with articles/clickbait about how “umm maybe the prequels aren't that bad” articles as soon as the Disney deal was happening. But autistic retards will tell you it's only Disney shills that don't like them. Because Disney was paying people to attack the IP they own, apparently.

Nomi Sunrider 4 life.

>>149807201
>I've never seen that being said by Lucas, t b h
Because Lucas never said it, but Genndy did declare it in podcast a few years ago.

>>149807273
Holy revisionism, Batman.

>>149807273
>Ahsoka and Obiwan series? They were for you prequel babies
That's a lie.

>>149807239

Not really. You assume too much. I speak of what I've gathered in this thread. I think all of you are pretty much insane.

>>149807273
Anti-PT fags will jump through hoops to come up with literally every conspiracy as to why people like the movies except admit that the movies had SOME merit to them.

>>149807298
You really aren't fooling anyone, but you also know that.

>>149807324
That anon is not Filonijew! Some of you people really need to work on your pattern recognition skills.

>>149807283

It's weird that something like this would be revealed only a few years ago. Projects changing directors is never some kind of confidential information, if lots and lots of other television and film productions is anything to go by. And that includes Star Wars itself, which was always open about its development process. I have honestly never heard of it anywhere. But I did read a few articles and I think I seen a couple of interviews with Lucas and some other producer on youtube where they spoke of snatching Filoni from Nickelodeon in the middle of making ATLA. Not to call Genndy a liar or anything, it's just weird that he just mentioned it out of the blue and only recently like that.

>>149807347
Now you're just getting desperate.

>>149806647
KEK

>>149807352
Both things are true; Genndy was originally supposed to help the following Clone Wars as long as he was allowed to work on other personal projects after that, but Lucas wanted him to make SW for the next 20 years, so he decided to out out. Then Lucas snatched Filoni from ATLA as his second option.
>>149807371
C'mon, you can tell he is not here anymore because there's no spergout about Ventressfag going on.

>>149807467
>to help
To helm

A helpful guide for people who want to get into the real Clone Wars, though it doesn't mention the Dark Horse Grievous or Clone Wars (Genndy) Adventures comics.

>>149807517
Incredibly based, thank you.

>>149807168
It's not heated, it's literally two schizos the tg star wars general samefagging each other and others "in the know" goading them on.

If you ever read "EUtroon" and "filonijew", also ventressfag and pellaonfag, they are all from /swg/

>>149807278
this

>>149807324
There's no conspiracy, prequel fans are just fucking stupid.

>>149804646
Why do you feel the need to dickride some shitty edgelord comics were the hecking unkillable badass bounty hunter does ecoterrorism and genocide on that planet from the edutainment game The Gungan Frontier?

>everyone picking sides
>me

George had more involvement with The Force Unleashed than The Clone wars.

>>149808005
…What?

>>149808065
This shit. The only way they could get rid of him permanently in this series was throwing him into a sun.
Frankly the edgy badass brutality of war stuff in CWMMP seems more of an "Appease anti-PT fans" response then anything Lucas/Filoni did on their cartoon.

>>149808182
Anti-PT fans don't read the EU. They're lazy Gen-Xers that only watch a New Hope & Empire on loop.

The Clone Wars was never really meant for boys it's a show for your annoying little sister.

>>149807517
Nice, thanks.

>>149808182
Durge is so fucking cool

>>149808035
Same.

>>149809592
based

More orange buttcheeks

>>149801687 (OP)
nostalgia is probably wearing off, show was always trash

>>149810105

>>149807915
"Filonijew" is a response to all three of those other things because those come from the same person.

>>149806651
>Real everyday people enjoyed TPM.
kids did, at least everyone in my school did it's gen x that has an obsessive hatred for the prequels

>>149810239
i dont care but at least i'm glad you recognize you are the fourth schizo

back to your containment thread, both of you.

>>149810701
You clearly do lmao

>>149810132
kek

>>149801687 (OP)
what do you think ahsoka's feet smell like? would they be different from a human woman's?

>>149810708
oh no, you misunderstood. i meant it like this "i dont care what you in particular think is the good or bad guy here, you are a bad actor and your opinion is worthless to me"

>>149811192
Actually you misunderstood me. I meant you clearly care in the sense that "you're a faggot."

>>149810239
>>149810701
its funny how hard you're trying to act like the reaction to filonijew/filonifag/filoniwhatever isn't justified
you should lurk another 10 years, newfag

>>149804163
What Filoni COULD do better than others were using pretty visuals to convince George of dumb shit, and then lying to us (like "George did not consider Jango Mandalorian", which anyone who read anything on the making of AOTC will tell you is not true). For example, he remembered a time when George criticized a scene where Anakin's ship would escape into hyperspace right from the planet's orbit, with George saying that that's impossible in his Star Wars. But then Filoni went ahead and showed him how pretty the scene would look and George would abandon his own worries and let Filoni get away with bullshit no other collaborator would.

An example where George's visual artist bias was used for a good cause was the Star Wars comic. George was clearly embarrassed of the old drafts and said that they were abandoned for a reason, wanting to axe the idea, until he saw how the comic would look and became interested in the project.

>>149806589
Nobody watches some shitty fan edits, while RLM and the misconceptions they were spreading became part of the Internet discourse that soured the prequels to new fans, rather than just Gen X

>only TCW main character not to appear in live action

>>149812015
Thank god, because they would have butchered her. Disney is unworthy

>>149812191
her live action debut is inevitable, I just hope it's not in something filoni is writing because he would not he able to write her AT ALL

if that rumoured kenobi season 2 is happening, preferably there even if season 1 was a bit shit

>>149807296
Nigger why else would they make shows starring an actor from the prequels and a show featuring a clone wars OC if not to placate you prequel tards? For fuck sake you ever wonder why the Mandalorian rides around in a Naboo Starfighter? Why they're trying yet again to push maul? It's for prequel babies. You really think Disney doesn't want you're money?

>>149812015
>those exposed thighs between that miniest of miniskirts and thigh high leggings
how did filoni get away with this this almost as bad as yukari takeba

>>149807287
Yes, that's exactly what the PT's new found appreciation is. Revisionism.

>>149812442
>>149812531
This retard is fuming

>>149812480
he didn't make the design

>>149809592
>>149804265

>>149812577
?

>>149812608
Man Lucas really does suck. He got lucky with the OT and the PT and just went full retard afterward.

>>149807955
>most popular movie of '77
>highest-grossing of all time when it first released
>winner of 6/10 Oscar nominations
>spawned numerous sequels, prequels, spin-offs and assorted merch
>referenced, homaged and even parodied to High Heaven and back
>dweebs, nerds, geeks, and dorks somehow think this was their thing before Le Mouse

>>149812618
>He got lucky with the OT and just went full retard afterward
FTFY

>>149812653
Nah PT was fine, just a little undercooked. Everybody can agree on that.

>>149812663
Yeah, everyone on l*ddit.

>>149812663
It's way too flawed. Whatever interesting concepts it had are completely undone by bad execution

>>149804393
Oh, and lest we forget this little gem

>>149812679
Sounds like you should go back there.

>>149812683
Not really.

>>149812698
After you, good sir.

>>149812720
Lead the way, xir.

>>149812725
Oh no, I insist.

>>149812733
Insist on being a fag, yes.
REKT

>>149812698
What are you talking about?
The clone wars actively retcons a bunch of plot points and actively ruins the militarization of the Empire.
Dooku is completely underutilized despite being the most interesting character conceptually.
The Trade Federation's blockade makes no sense in the context of protesting trade route taxation.
The whole diabolical scheme of Sheev running both sides of the fight is only possible because everyone is too stupid to see through it
It sucks

>>149812761
Not really, sorry.

>>149812738
You'd know, wouldn't you?

>>149812797
Well yeah, you won't shut up about how gay you are.
OOH DOUBLE TAP

>>149812698
>>149812772
"Not really" is not really an argument. Like, at all.

>>149812813
You don't have one though, how can I argue against a non argument?

>>149812807
I'm not the one over here deepthroating George's lightsaber.

>>149812828
Yeah, you're deepthroating his cock instead.
OOOH BABY A TRIPLE

>>149811391
>all that bullshit about hyperspace or whatever
Cute made up story, faggot. Shame there is no source for it. F- for the effort. You could add something for dramatic effect, like "Dave poisoned George and tricked him, and threatened his family so he could break the precious lore of Star Wars because he is so evil, and George was crying and on his knees, begging for Dave not to do it, but Dave laughed and whipped him", or something like that. Make it spicy next time.
>(like "George did not consider Jango Mandalorian", which anyone who read anything on the making of AOTC will tell you is not true).
The word "Mandalorian" does not feature ANYWHERE in the making of AOTC, anywhere in the script, or anywhere in the film. Lucas never mentioned it once. In fact, it is stated in the script that Jango speaks to Boba in HUTTEESE, not in Mandalorian, confirming Lucas' view of him: he is a common bounty hunter, who merely uses Mandalorian armor, just like Boba Fett, and he speaks in the language common to the Bounty Hunters. Why didn't he speak Mandalorian? Because he wasn't a Mandalorian. They are simple men making their way in the universe. Which also explains why Boba later would work for Jabba.

Any why would Filoni want to lie about it, anyway? On the contrary, Filoni made Jango a Mandalorian again when he got the chance in that garbage Disney live-action shit. Just like he almost entirely memory-holed Lucas' Mandalorians, and has never mentioned Satine. And he brought back a bunch of other dogshit EU fanfiction crap that Lucas did not like, like Beskar.

>>149812817
>You don't have one though
>>149812761
Meanwhile, all you've said thus far is "Not really" with nothing to back it up. No wonder your high school's debate team turned you down.

>>149812849
You don't, though. Maybe you should've learned how to make one instead of joining some nerd debate team like that's an accomplishment.

>>149812859
>You don't, though
Again >>149812761
I apologize for your illiteracy.

>>149812874
Linking to nothing isn't an argument. I'm sorry for your retardation.
Guess your debate team accepted you out of pity, eh?

>>149812833
Also, it's not 2015 anymore. Mlg memes are dead.

>>149812886
You're right, it's 2025, time to stop being gay.
SOMEBODY STOP ME

>>149812892
Yes, somebody does need to stop you from being gay.

>>149812738
damn
nice

>>149812879
How exactly is it nothing?
And even if it is, still way more than just "Not really".

>>149812903
Yeah because everything that you touch turns gay, King Gaydas.
I JUST KEEP WINNING

>>149801687 (OP)
This place has always been critical of it outside of that circlejerk SW general before it got banned. If you want to talk about it go to Tumblr or Reddit

>>149812913
Because it's nothing. There's no heart, soul or substance in your "argument."
You may as well just stand there and be a mouth breather.

>>149804471
>It was much more kid-friendly
I don't think what most prequel haters wanted was kid-friendliness. What they wanted was space pulp.

>>149812929
Oh shut the fuck up, if you can't even defend your movie then you actually have no love for it. You're a brain dead fanboy who just claps for anything that looks familiar to you from childhood.

>>149812941
I don't need to defend it, it's stood the test of time and speaks for itself.
You have to sweat this much to make non arguments and that's just sad.

>>149812950
>it's stood the test of time and speaks for itself
Anon, we're talking about TPM, not the '77 original.

>>149812950
It's one of the most contentious trilogies in film history. The butt of a thousand jokes that is desperately trying to be elevated by kids that bought the toys when it came out. It's a clustered mess of bad plot points, terrible acting, and rather subpar special effects particularly in AOTC. Buddy you and the rest of the prequel defenders are fighting the uphill battle here and just saying the equivalent of "nuh uh" isn't the successful defense you think it is

>>149812973
You're right, we're talking about TPM, AotC and RotS, good job.
Well, more like *I'm* talking, you and a few other people are just spewing up boiling seethe, really.

>>149812977
This is exactly what I mean. Sweating this much just to say nothing. Many such cases.

>>149806713
> a youtube nobody made everyone hate the PT and love TFA
kek

>>149813012
I know, right? A bunch of hacks managed to sway the public opinion on some pretty decent films and ended up influencing Star Wars for the worse. It actually is pretty funny when you think about it.

This thread royally sucks. Star Wars fans should be executed.

>cried the Ahsokafag

>>149813044
see >>149804393 and >>149812690
ALL PRE-PLINKETT

>>149813044
Mostly because the prequels were made fun of for a decade before those shitty plinkett reviews. How they managed to sway so many people before even making those reviews is impressive.

>>149813002
Wrong

>>149813060
See >>149806768

>>149813062
Not really.

>>149813070
Nope, I'm right.

>>149813002
>>149813084
Sweating is exactly what is required for an argument with heart, soul and/or substance.
Just saying "Not really" or "Nope, I'm right" is the definition of a non-argument.

>>149813084
>No argument
I win

>>149806768
>lefty cucks
You mean like George?

Ahsokafags be like
>How can I ruin this character's reputation even more? I know! I'll be just as annoying as her!

>>149813105
It's hilarious prequel fags don't even know that Nute Gunray is literally making fun of Nute Gingrich

>>149813093
You hate the PT, you have no soul by default.

>>149813104
Yeah, second place behind me.

>>149813105
Oh hey, I can use this against Filonifag whenever he tries to regurgitate Lucas' talking points as gospel. Thanks.

>>149813145
Star Wars has always been leftist, though, and Lucas was open about it. Lucas himself is a leftist. If you are some kind of rightoid wanna be fascist - this property is not for you. This property, in fact, openly ridicules you and vilifies you. Who exactly are you trying to own here? Maybe you should try WH40k.

>Filonifag crying
>PT haters coping
>Ahsokafag spamming
EU Chads, it's safe to say that we win again.

>>149804853
You are so obviously wrong, have some grace and just admit it.

>>149813170
Nah I think I'll stick with Star Wars and make you seethe some more.
o/

>>149813145
>>149813134
Lmao prequel fags don't even watch the movies they defend

>>149812191
>Thank god, because they would have butchered her.
The only time she was any good was Genndy wars

>>149813176
>EU Chads, it's safe to say that we win again.
"The most pathetic losers in the world" award, yeah. Also, no one except pajeets calls themselves "chads" in the current year. If you feel the need to call yourself a chad, big chances are, you aren't one.

>>149813176
Happens every time.

>>149813189
Weird flex, but okay. I am just picturing this staunch National Socialist going, "Nah, I'll stick with this Jewish art and make you seethe, heh."

The creator of Star Wars hates you and everything you stand for, and I am amazed by the amount of cope and delusion that you have to construct to be able to enjoy it. It would require some negative ability in media literacy.

>>149813239
Wow, guess that means the EU is the real Star Wars after all.

>>149813170
>this property is not for you
Same goes for you, when people can spot you throwing around racial insults and calling people trannies.

>>149801687 (OP)
The show was always considered a mix bag at best.

>>149813249
Jesus NTA but why do prequel fags always go on the attack when someone makes fun of their beloved films? They never can defend the movies and instead any one that hates them is a disney shill, a filonifag, or some EU boomer. It's impossible to be critical of something star wars without being those things.
>inb4 you call me some other name
I'm a millennial, I don't like the prequels, ROTJ is extremely flawed, the EU is mostly garbage with a few exceptions, the sequels suck, and the Disney shows are bad. Most of Star Wars is pretty mediocre sorry to say and this is coming from someone who is a huge fan of the series.

AGAMAR RULES THE GALAXY

>>149813299
Damn you really typed all that out just because I like the EU, huh? You got some issues, buddy.

>>149813208
holy fucking soul

>>149813299
>someone who is a huge fan of the series
>literally only the first two movies are good and the rest of the franchise is bad
Kek

Also Prequel fans have defended the films for years. We're just tired of you people always using the same repetitive points which have been countered time and time again, closing your ears and going "LALALALALA". That's why PT/EU fans stopped taking Disneycucks/Filonifags seriously, you can't argue with them because they don't want to argue. They want to win their little argument and daydream that everyone converts to their side and starts hating the EU and the PT.

>>149813598
EU had nothing to do with the PT though. EU was fanfiction, made by people other than George Lucas, completely removed from him and his sensibilities. Stop trying to associate the two - it won't work. Lucas himself publicly divorced from it many times.

>>149813635
I literally have not associated them at all. I don't care what Lucas said

What both DO share is a very small, yet rabidly autistic fanbase obsessed with trying to discredit both at every single given chance, in every thread, at every convention, on every platform. It does get quite tiring

>>149813656
>I literally have not associated them at all.
Yeah, you did. You put these imaginary "EU and PT fans vs The World" into the same basket, thinking no one would notice. I love the PT. Hate the EU. Go fuck yourself, autismo.

>>149801687 (OP)

I hated it in 2008 and I still hate it now.

>>149806091
There is another...

>>149813054
>"WAAH HE ISN'T PARTICIPATING IN OUR RETARDED SLAPFIGHT!!1"
Pathetic.

>>149804163
>because of the retarded Plinkett anti-Prequel movement

I'm sorry but RLM's influence on popular perception of the Prequels is MASSIVELY overrated. Apart from the fact that the RLM reviews only came out nearly 10 years after the release of Revenge of the Sith, RLM was hardly the first or most noteworthy critic of the Prequels. Simon Pegg, who was one of the most popular comedians of the 2000s, famously hated them so much that he got offered a cameo role in The Force Awakens.

I don't like the RLM reviews, but blaming them for the poor reception of the Prequels is just absurd. They were at best just riding the tide of public opinion at the time.

>>149804265
>literally authorized use of his IP for EU content
>made most of his fortune on it

He doesn't have the right to go back and say "acksully it's not canon". If he didn't like it, he should have cancelled its release, which was entirely in his power as the creator.

>>149813938
>He doesn't have the right to go back and say "acksully it's not canon"
And yet he did. Do something about it, why doncha?

>>149813938
He didn't "go back and say it's not canon". He always said so, from the start. And the EU itself said so: these were just their interpretations, and not the official version of Star Wars. Lucas has all the right in the world to do this. He created Star Wars, and let other people play in the sandbox and make money off of it. They did not do it for free. It was just business. It was merchandise. Like coffee mugs or t-shirts. You and some fans have this weird parasocial relationship with it, when Lucas was patently clear about its purpose and its narrative status, or "canonicity" if you will.

>>149813835
>a whole page dedicated to "erm acktchually-ing" anybody that criticizes Filoni or TCW
Holy shit what a loser

>>149809592
k, b

>>149804853
And you say all that as a genndyfag?

>>149813867
>cried the Ahsokafag

>>149814015
Lmao imagine spending YEARS of your life surveying numerous social media just so you can see the one fan being critical of fagloni or TCW every few weeks and then pull out your folder of cherrypicked interview bullshit just to go "uhrm ackchually, lucas loved filoni and tcw and anyone who likes the EU is dumb" without any real argument besides appeal to authority.

This guy has wasted his fucking life trying to defend some cowboy fatass who screwed the franchise for cash, there is no bigger tool in the SW community holy fuck

>>149814015
>>149814216
And he does it for free!

>>149808182
>Frankly the edgy badass brutality of war stuff in CWMMP seems more of an "Appease anti-PT fans" response then anything Lucas/Filoni did on their cartoon.

Actually, Star Wars Republic was releasing co-currently with the films so most of them aren't even a response to Prequel haters because Prequel hate hadn't really even started when they were being written.

>>149814216
You sound upset. Looks like this guy made you really worked up. Does reasoning backed up with evidence that directly proves you wrong makes you mad?

>>149814264
>ESL typos and sentence structure

>>149814248
Prequel hate happened concurrently with the films release. It is clear that the comics and novels tried to over-compensate the allegations that the films are "childish" by making it overly edgy and turning the setting into borderline Warhammer. The production cycle of the comics is weeks and months, not years. So the public perception of the films most certainly affected them. They are completely and utterly devoid of the pulp, wonder and levity of the films.

>>149814329
They have better writing than the films, too.

>>149814264
Actually, not mad, not at all. Right now I'm laughing at you. You really are the ultra-omega-autist wasting every living moment of his life trying to defend the dumpster fire that is TCW. Keep at it though, maybe one day we'll all become Filonifags too and suck his cock on the daily like you do!

>>149814241
>too cheap to pay for a checkmark so he can get paid for his shit takes
Yup, that's a jew.

>>149812761
>The clone wars actively retcons a bunch of plot points and actively ruins the militarization of the Empire.

How so? If anything they show that Palpatine was laying the groundwork for the Empire long before Order 66.

>>149814346
Not really.

>>149814408
You're right. Not really, but very. Thanks for the correction.

>>149814371
You're posting soijaks. Oh, you're mad, alright. And what's with the filoni obsession? Do you want to fuck him or something? Why are you constantly talking about sucking cocks? Are you like a faggot or something?

>>149814424
Don't you have a bunch of pronoun zoomers to pander to over on Twiter? I'm sure they miss you.

>>149814329

No, what I mean is that they were already in the process of being drafted prior to the release of the films (which is what allowed for their co-current release schedule). The dark and violent tone was being planned before Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith had released to general audiences.

>>149814499
The first issue of the Clone Wars-themed Republic comic book was released almost a whole year after AOTC. AOTC came out in may of 2002, Republic 49 came out in January of 2003. And, as I've said, the production cycle of the comic books is months and weeks, not years. It was not drafted prior to the release of the film. Which explains why the comic books don't feature Padme practically at all - because Anakin/Padme was one of the biggest criticisms of the film, same reason why they don't feature Jar Jar at all, or C3PO, and many other things.

>>149815544
>Rey palpatine

>>149813867
But you actively are.

>>149814395
The Clone Wars were botched in numerous ways. It retcons the fact that the Empire's army is made up of volunteers and conscripts. This was so apparent the EU had to come up with a stupid explanation for why the Empire doesn't use clones which is stupid beyond all belief given that Clones are obedient slaves. It negates the personal stakes the average joe of the Republic had in the conflict. If nobody's family is at stake and the only casualties are robots or clones then no one is ever going to feel the necessity of the Republic to militarize after the conflict is over. Also if no one civilians are fighting in the military then they will have no personal sense of duty to the newly founded empire. Why the clones weren't used by the seperatists I'll never know.

>>149813598
>You can't like something while recognizing it's flawed.
How old are you 12?

>>149816150
Stormtroopers are not clones. Stromtroopers are recruits/volunteers. They were never clones. I don't know where you got that. A lot of civilians died in the war, so they all rallied behind Palpatine and welcomed the Empire, everyone loved Palpatine, who saved them from monstrous corporations and their droid hordes led by genocidal maniacs. Empire uses clones until they all die out/retire, they don't commission new clones because it is too expensive to make them, it takes a decade to grow a batch of adult clones, and there is no point to it when you have a galaxy full of loyal, able-bodied citizens, who are actually truly loyal and attached to the state, have families, and are interested in the Empire's prosperity on a personal level.

>>149816278
>They were never clones. I don't know where you got that.
They originally were clones. Jango even bumped his head on the door of the Slave 1 to reference the Stormtrooper doing that in ANH, with the idea being that it was a trait cloned into all of them.

>>149816382
This is literal seventies lore which was retconned by the time ESB came into play. This is like taking Splinter of the Mind's Eye or the ANH novelization as canon and then going "why doesn't anything follow this lore?"

>>149816278
>Stormtroopers are not clones.
I know, that was my point. They had to come up with a retarded retcon to explain away why the Empire didn't continue to use clonw troopers despite being the more advantageous military troops.
>The civilians love Palpatine and they were hurting from the Clone Wars
Weird because that isn't ever shown throughout the prequels.

>>149816382
>Jango even bumped his head on the door of the Slave 1
He didn't. Watch closely. Ne never hit his head. He ducked.
>pic related
Some fan made shit from some magazine, who cares?

Clones were never stormtroopers. If they were, Lucas would've dubbed them over with Temuera Morrison like he did with Boba Fett. He didn't do that. Stormies have different voices and different heights, and so on. More so, Lucas specifically said that stormtroopers are all recruits/volunteers, like a militia. I don't even know why do you even argue this.

>>149816455
>They had to come up with a retarded retcon to explain away why the Empire didn't continue to use clonw troopers despite being the more advantageous military troops
Clones take eleven years to produce (they have double aging) and go out of service just as fast. They're also an insanely expensive thing to maintain. Stormtroopers are actually just as competent as clones (of course nowadays they're fucking jokes but that's just their concept being ruined. They were the Imperial elite troopers after all) because of their brutal training and live for far longer. But EU had also a great explanation with the Kamino Uprising
>Weird because that isn't ever shown throughout the prequels
We see the entire galaxy welcome the transition to the Empire with open arms and all treat Palpatine like the most moral person except for Padme and her little renegade squad of pals in the deleted scenes

>>149816471
Nta but that's a bump dude.
But it's obviously just a call back to ANH. AOTC steals so much imagery from the OT it's not even funny.

>>149816455
How is it retarded? It makes perfect sense. Clones age twice as fast, so most of them would be incapable of fighting in a decade anyway; making new clones takes a long time and it is very expensive, when the Empire needs to spend a lot of money on a bunch of other crap, like the Death Star and overall military and governmental overhaul. Imperial citizens are better in every way from the Imperial management standpoint. They no longer need a bunch of super soldiers, who were manufactured specifically for waging a manufactured war and killing the Jedi. The war was over. Palpatine won and he killed the Jedi. There was no one left to fight. What he needed was a Galaxy-wide police force to keep his rule and take out a few insurgencies that pop up here and there. Stormtroopers were more than qualified for that. They are already grown, they are cheap, they are loyal, and there is a near endless supply of them. People's suffering is implied in the films, but there was no time to show that. The tv series showed that.

>>149816551
Clones don't deplete your civilians
Clones don't ask questions
Clones are dispensable
Clones are obedient
Clones are far more competent
Clones are literally bred for one purpose
Clones do not need to age twice as fast
Clones easily superior and cost about as much as conscripts when all is said and done.

>>149816566
>AOTC steals so much imagery from the OT it's not even funny.
It's like poetry, it rhymes.

>>149816566
He certainly ducked. Watch it frame by frame if you can't see. He never hit his head. He ducks right before the door could approach his head. But even if we suppose that he did bump it, it wouldn't matter. It would've been just a funny easter egg, a funny callback, not something that is actually meaningful.

>>149813872
Prequelfags are the most mindbroken lunatics this side of the Sonic fandom.
>think RLM caused all the Prequel hate even though the Simpsons, Mad Magazine, Spaced, Maddox, the Abridged Script website, countless Newgrounds games and flash cartoons, and many more all made fun of them
>think everyone who hated them is a Gen-Xer/Boomer/whatever as though people born in the 60s and 70s are seriously posting on 4chan
>spam /tv/ about how much better the Prequels are than the Sequels even though /tv/ has never liked the Sequels, so they're preaching to the choir
>have lost track of what layer of irony they're on
>basically worship George Lucas even though he sold to Disney

>>149816604
>Clones don't deplete your civilians
Civilians are nigh-infinite in the Star Wars galaxy. There are a quadrillion planets some of them with quintillions of citizens. Clones are far more valuable than the rank and file
>Clones don't ask questions
Neither do Stormtroopers, the training they do brainwashes them to not do that
>Clones are dispensable
Civvies are more dispensable
>Clones are obedient
Stormtrooper training makes them insanely obedient
>Clones are far more competent
This is just nu-SW bullshit where Disney makes Stormies losers for the gags
>Clones are literally bred for one purpose
Even more reason to get Stormtroopers. Clones are designed as a rapid-deployment reactionary force, they aren't as able to adapt into pacifying roles as well
>Clones do not need to age twice as fast
They do, retard. If they didn't they'd be eleven by the time AotC happens and the galaxy would be fucked
>Clones easily superior and cost about as much as conscripts when all is said and done
PFFFFT
Clones are WAY more expensive than conscripts. One because the process of cloning itself is extremely delicate and intensive. Two because you need to pay for the particularized Kaminoan training which is specifically made by them. Thirdly because you're paying a third party, the Kaminoans, to do shit and they are very much shown to be quite scummy and self-serving. Fourth because if you want to maintain the way the CW Clone Army was you need to hire Mandalorian/Corellian rogues with notable abilities to do training for the more elite troops instead of having other people. It's way more expensive than even the best Stormtrooper academy, and yet it isn't actually as valuable.

Also did I mention that you'd have the entire production centered on Kamino, an extragalactic world (it's almost in another galaxy ffs)?

I love the clones but yeah no

>>149816644
>Watch it frame by frame if you can't see. He never hit his head
AUDIO, dipshit. Watch the scene and listen.

>>149816604
>Clones don't deplete your civilians
This is a galaxy of trillions, anon. There were about a few million clone troopers. What the fuck are you talking about, son?
>Clones don't ask questions
Neither do regular people if you train them right. Lots of clones were also influenced by the Jedi, so a lot of them do ask questions.
>Clones are dispensable
So are the regular people to any dictatorship throughout human history.
>Clones are obedient
So are the people if you train them right. Plus, regular people have a lot to lose: their families, their home, their payment. Regular people actually have more reasons to be obedient than the clones. And that obedience is sincere and motivated, and not artificial brainwashing that can wear off.
>Clones are far more competent
They are too competent, and that competency was no longer needed: the war was won.
>Clones are literally bred for one purpose
The purpose which they'd fulfilled: killing the Jedi. There were no more Jedi. So what was their purpose now?
>Clones do not need to age twice as fast
But they do. What the fuck do you mean "they do not need to age twice as fast"? They do age twice as fast, that's the whole point. Otherwise it would take at least 20 years to grow a combat-ready clone. That is not sustainable.
>Clones easily superior and cost about as much as conscripts when all is said and done.
No, they cost much, much, much more. They nearly bankrupted the Republic during the war. It takes a decade to produce a combat-ready batch of clones. There are already trillions of able-bodied, combat-ready Imperial citizens, who just need a month of training, just like in real life, and they are ready for the purpose of policing on a galactic scale and taking out a couple of insurgents every once in a while.

>>149816851
Tbf this is Disneytard lore. Stormies have always been elite troopers. They don't just go train for a single month, they spend years in worlds like Carida doing extremely intensive training which ends up turning them into extremely competent soldiers and wholly loyal to Palpatine. If you want the average joe who spends little time in training and is sent out to fight with shit guns, that's the Imperial Army and not the Storm Corps

>>149801687 (OP)
The Clone Wars is more like a what if series
>what if anakin had an apprentice
>what if Darth maul came back to life
>what if Darth maul had a brother
>what if mandalorians were really annoying and uncool and hijacked the final season for some reason

>>149818112
There are some pretty retarded plotlines that do feel like that, yes
>What if Obi-Wan ignored all his Jedi morals, faked his death then posed as a bounty hunter
>What if Obi-Wan, Anakin and Dooku all got captured by space pirates and for some reason didn't do shit about it other than whine
> What if there was a squad of deformed clones that are totally not a shitty Delta Squad copy which then save a female Jango clone that exists for no fucking reason

>>149816278
Lucas was clearly toying with the idea of retconning them all as clones

>>149816471
Terrible argument since he didn't bother dubbing over Boba's 3 lines in ROTJ either

>>149817045
The original.films state otherwise. Biggs was a member of the Empire and defected all within a couple years.

Do star wars fans even watch the original trilogy any more?