Thread 149802739

All in all, good show.

I thought so. The brown lesbian didn't subtract from the obviousness that the creator really loved star trek.

Fucking love Mariner. Tendi is pretty great too.

Sorry to see it go. It was the best Trek series since TOS.

it was mediocre
about as worth watching as Enterprise (not really at all)

>>149802903
Bisexual.

>>149803887
>it was mediocre

>>149804142
Yeah dude. The fact that it takes place in outer space and has aliens is far out enough without bringing fanciful concepts like "bisexuals" into it.

>>149803887
Enterprise is NOT worth watching and ld was our first progression on the plot in like 20 years

>>149802739 (OP)
I would've liked a Klingon centric show in the same art style

>>149802739 (OP)
>posting the worst part first
interesting
but yes, it was a damn good show with only a few rocky parts.
>>149804142
at a time when star trek was becoming so irritatingly modern, I appreciated this scene so much. it contextualizes it as a joke, and reminds you that yes, unlike real life, all these other things DO exist in sci-fi.

I liked T'ana. That's about the extent of my feelings for Lower Deck.

>>149802739 (OP)
Did they change like the entire writing staff after season 1? Because it was almost like a completely different show how much it improved. Even Mariner ended up becoming endearing and she was VERY insufferable to start.

>>149802739 (OP)
Made me happy. More than most shit nowadays. Beckett is endearing.

T'lyn should have joined the main cast at least a season earlier. This would have increased the shows general quality by a magnitude of a least 47 percent.

>>149804942
i think it was on purpose. they wanted it to be memorable, not to mention all trek shows start out rocky.
it's kinda genius to write a character this shitty, and leave you wondering.. do the writers.. side with her? are we meant to sympathize with her? then just when you're like wtf is this show, NOPE, she is terrible, we know that. Now watch her having to learn her lesson.

>>149805020
It makes me rhink they wrote it bad as a kind of subterfuge to trick paramount into keeping them on.

>>149805285
yeah I have to imagine Paramount was kinda saying "Anything but Trek" given how Prodigy was Star Wars until they snuck it into being a Voyager sequel

>>149802739 (OP)
I remember when the show first started that you all HATED IT!

>>149805322
not me, but I was ready for it to be garbage the moment I saw the art style
boy if you told me 10 years ago that Trek was going right in the toilet, except for two good shows, which are ANIMATED, and what's more, one aimed at adult audiences and one at little kids.. I'd call you a lying faggot.

>>149802739 (OP)
I still remember seeing Riker and the Titan. That was kino.

>>149804970
A very logical conclusion, anon. Well done.

>>149805435
i will never get tired of Riker showing up to save the day in a show that is not about Riker.

>>149805020
>i think it was on purpose. they wanted it to be memorable, not to mention all trek shows start out rocky.

That's sort of what made me decide to give another go. I thought the first few episodes sucked but then heard it got better and I thought to myself "Oh right Code of Honor" and if TNG can get a second chance after that I can at least give this a second go.

>>149805322
Not I. I always enjoyed it. It was a breath of fresh air when I had to deal with Michael the black woman who should've just been a fucking vulcan but nooooooooooooo

>>149802739 (OP)
A jolly good show

>>149805730
>>149805322
You can dislike part of a show and admit it gets better. It's not all or nothing. Even the popular trek shows will have people tell you to skip certain seasons.

>>149805750
Aye. I just happened to enjoy LD from the start.
S1 of TNG is.. wow.

>>149805759
DS9 season 7 was pretty blah too. Voyager was a complete crap shoot all the way through.

>>149805785
I think DS9 is my favorite Trek show over all.

>>149802739 (OP)
I liked it a lot. It had charm.
Wish it got one more season; the last season felt like they crammed two season's worth of stories into one.
Plus it'd have given us more T'Lyn.

It added some few new things to Trek. New ships, more lore, new and returning aliens getting some more development.
And surprisingly some good character development.
You can tell who's only watched one or two episodes when they call the show 'Rick and Morty' or bring up how much of a loser Boimler is.
When I started I really, really disliked Mariner.
And while now she's not my favourite or anything, I have gotten more of an appreciation for her character.

The show always laughed with Star Trek, never at Star Trek.
Are the comics any good?

>>149805665
hell yeah

>>149806198
>It added some few new things to Trek.
This cannot be over appreciated.
When did enterprise come out? 1893? Ever since voyager ended we've been itching for *more* trek and it's been prequels for so long there are adults already sick of living who were born in the interim.

The mostly lower stakes stories were overall the more interesting one.
Without forced drama or a new world ending threat every time the stories could breathe, and outcomes weren't always predictable.
When the Solvang happened, it caught me completely off-guard. A show being able to surprise you is always a treat.

Cartoons always get underestimated that way.

>>149805435
Not just showing up to save the day, but doing it to the TNG theme too.

I wanted to see a season with Ransom as Captain

>>149802903
>The brown lesbian
I'm not sure what Beckett's sexual orientation is, wasn't there an episode where she basically said she didn't care what someone is (male/female/whatever) as long as she liked em?

>>149805785
I honestly think enterprise is better than voyager. It at least knows how to stick to it's fucking premise. "We're going to do farscape and then change our minds." was bullshit.

>>149806339
I know Picard has its fans (even if just for season 3), but it didn't add anything of note to Star Trek.
Just some horrible events on the timeline and a few ugly, ugly ships.

Finding out that everyone I know from TNG had horrible, horrible shit happen to them in their lives afterwards wasn't for me.

>>149806540
Robert Picardo did a lot of heavy lifting for Voyager.

>>149806347
Yes. Taking a step back and having lower stakes drama was really refreshing. And it made the big stories more impactful.

>>149806627
I really can't stress how much I've missed simple episodic adventure of the week television. So sick of everything being heavily serialized.

>>149804970
>>149805447
T'Lyn made me want to write a Trek fanfic with a Vulcan MC but fuck me I can't do it

>>149806540
Enterprise's biggest problem was that they didn't trust that their very premise of a prequel could carry the show.
If they'd dropped the entire Temporal Cold War story arc and had just stuck to 'humans are brand new to space and don't know what they fuck they're doing' it would have been stronger for it.

The show did figure itself out eventually, but I guess by that point most of the audience had left.
My appreciation for Archer has grown over time. Yeah he was a bit of a fuckup as a captain, but that made him more interesting.

>>149806672
What's holding you back?

>>149806742
I wouldn't mind Archer being a dumbass space redneck if the show didn't seem to not have him acknowledge it as much. Dude seems to go out of the way to make the worst decisions possible and then acts shocked when shit goes sideways.

>>149806760
I can't write Vulcans for shit

>>149806814
Fascinating.

>>149806617
Yeah, I know other actors complained that the show became the doctor and 7 of 9 power hour but every other character had their chance and they fucking sucked.

>>149806763
He would have been better as -a- starship captain, not as the captain of humanity's flagship.
His failures are harder to take when you have to assume he's the best humanity has to offer.

>>149806927
Yeah, I'm sure Chakotey had a lot to say about his adoring fans being snubbed.

>>149805759
season 1 of TNG is important for historical purposes. you have to see how fucking smug and idiotically liberal the 80s was, and then watch how we pulled out of it.. then slipped right back in in the 2010s.

>>149806814
Every Vulcan we've seen has been different.
Spock, Tuvok, T'Lyn, Sarek, T'Pol, Soval, the baseball asshole from DS9, etc
Spock being half human, Tuvok being an excellent liar, T'Lyn being a rebel, Sarek hiding his disease, T'Pol with her human prejudice, Soval with his worries about humanity, Baseball asshole with his superiority complex.

So, don't try to write a Vulcan; write what you can, use the characters you know and turn that into a Vulcan.
After all, all those human emotions are there, just all bottled up inside a steel vault.

>>149807242
Live long and prosper anon. I might as well give it another shot.

>>149806927
Voyager has its moment, but it really felt like 'wasted potential: the show'.
Even Neelix had like two episodes that showed that even his character had potential to become great.
Everyone loves Year of Hell or the Doctor, but few people will rank the show as a whole as their number 1.

>>149807321
You'll do great Anon, I believe in you.
The world could use more interesting Vulcans.

>>149805322
I did hate it. It was neither star trek nor funny. I'm in the thread to see what anons are saying about it now that it's finally dead

>>149807321
That's some neat art

>>149807383
Voy biggest problem was DS9 as allowed serialized television and Voy was forced to be overly episodic. The Doc and 7 were the only characters allow character growth passed season 1 or 2. anything crazy happens on the ship, it has to get reset by time travel.

Wonder why TNG didn't have a prominent Vulcan on the Enterprise

>>149807688
They had a Klingon instead. This was a big deal at the time. It's important to remember that back then the formula wasn't so absolute and a lot of early TNG was trying very hard to not be TOS. Picard was functionally the Anti-Kirk.

>>149807766
Poor Worf

>>149807766
>>149807688
Also, Data filled that role.

>>149807766
Also DS9 was trying it's hardest to be different from TNG and the original series since the show runner died

>>149807688
TNG wanted to differentiate itself from TOS.
Worries were that having a Vulcan on the main cast would draw too many comparisons to Spock.
They did have their Spock analogue with Data, which ended up being a good thing.

>>149802739 (OP)
Shit show by amateur comics with terrible leadership from the drunken weirdo captaining the production
I remember checking the twitter account that supposedly got him the job and it made me gag

>>149802739 (OP)
The Cerritos is one of those ships I think I'd actually enjoy working in.
Low risk, occasional excitement, rewarding work and good food.

>>149808064
Indeed.
Computer. Earl Grey, hot.

>>149802739 (OP)
>Look at Lower Decks, a love letter to older Trek
>Look at what it got canceled for, Star Trek Academy, a show with a fat black Jem'Hadar-Klingon hybrid (wat)
Sigh.

>>149808185
Wait what?
Jem'Hadar are.. they can't..

>>149802739 (OP)
My biggest disappointment with Lower Decks (aside from cancellation) is the fact that we had Jennifer and yet had no exploration of Andorian culture. Andorians have been around since TOS season one aka The Year of Our Lord 19-sixty-fucking-SEVEN, and the only show to really do anything with their culture is fucking ENTERPRISE aka STAR TREK: THE 9/11 ADVENTURE. Would've been nice to get a LITTLE exploration of their culture. Maybe explain why Jennifer's name was, y'know, JENNIFER.
Sorry, I just get passionate about Andorians. They've been around for way too long still just be THERE AND UNEXPLORED for the most part.

>>149808185
>tfw a glorified rick and morty clone and a parody made by the family guy writers were better adaptions than anything CBS has put out in the past 15 years
sad

>>149808185
I WILL NOT HAVE ANY LIBEL OF LOWER DECKS AGAIN

>>149808290
Fair, my best buddy has always been a huge Andorian fan over Vulcans.
He loves Enterprise.

>>149808219
WE KNOW. THEY'RE ALL "MEN." AND EVEN THAT'S BEING GENEROUS. THEY'RE AN ARTIFICIAL CLONE RACE THAT CAN'T PROCREATE. THEY WERE DESIGNED TO NOT BE CAPABLE OF HAVING CHILDREN. IT'S DUMB. EVERYTHING TO DO WITH DISCOVERY IS DUMB.
THE BURN IS SO FUCKING DUUUUUUUUUMB.

>>149808219
Uh, yeah, the thing about the Paramount+ era of Star Trek is that they only seem to care about lore for the sake of forging legitimacy rather than to be respectful or build on it properly. The entire premise of STD is built on the idea that Spock secretly had an adopted human sister all along who was on a ship that had fucking Shunkan Ido, and to keep the lore intact they had to write in some bullshit that none of that could ever be mentioned again when that her and that ship where sent into the far future. To add insult to injury, they actually show a future Voyager ship and awe at the legacy of the original Voyager, even though the challenges Voyager had to face in making it back to the Alpha Quadrant seem a bit hollow in context of STD, since in retrospect they could have just Dragon Balled it back...

>>149808322
I THOUGHT DISCOVERY WAS WAY BEFORE THE DOMINION WAR!

>>149808322
I can't believe that nobody noticed that the show would be abbreviated as STD.

>>149808299
This. Holy shit. I am so fucking sorry LowerDecksfags. I will never shit talk your cartoon again.

>>149808346
THEY TRAVEL INTO THE FUTURE. THEY MEET THE BREEN AND MAKE THEM BORING.
AND THERE'S AN EVENT THAT DESTROYS THE CAPABILITY FOR WARP TRAVEL THROUGHOUT REALITY. THERE'S A STAR TREK SHOW THAT REMOVED THE ABILITY TO TREK AMONG STARS. ARRRRRRRRGGGGGG.

>>149808390
WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY SMOKING OVER THERE?!

>>149808402
NOTHING, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE HIGH TO BE BAD AT WRITING.

>>149808435
Sad.. but true!

>>149808064
>The replicators let you make whatever food you want whenever you want
>Humanity has still kept up with "Taco Tuesday" n workplaces where you can get food

Yeah that sounds right.

>>149808390
>THEY MEET THE BREEN AND MAKE THEM BORING.
Lower Decks knew how to do Breen.

>>149807588
>Saying provocative things to rile up a response
Found the Vendorian.

>>149808536
They put more budget into Breen costumes than DS9 and yet made them so much more lame.
DS9 Breen: Cool, mysterious, "why are their helmets like that, what could they look like under there?"
Discovery Breen: Generic space monarchy, turn out to be jello-humans (but not sexy jello humans) under their masks.
I don't think that show did a single thing right.

>>149808461
If I asked, the replicator could give me a different meal I've never had before every day for years and years.
As a challenge, I wonder how long I could keep that up before I'd cave to my craving for something familiar to eat.

>>149808594
They missed their chance to do something good when they revealed Lorca was from the Mirror Universe and had remained mustache-twirling-evil after years in the good universe. It would've been way more interesting (and fitting for Trek's morality) if he said "well originally I was going to betray everyone to get back home and rule as a living god, but honestly after a few years here, you guys live WAY better and I don't miss having to constantly look over my shoulder."
I expect the Lower Decks writers could've handled a "Mirror Universe dude has been living here for years impersonating one of us" story better than the Discovery guys.

>>149802739 (OP)
>All in all, good show.
I liked it, but to be honest, it has like 1 or 2 good moments per episode where it clicks together between some of the most mediocre plots you could reasonably imagine.
It is not funny enough to justify that being the focus, and that just undercuts the more emotional and serious moments.

>>149808290
Yeah, we got a good look at Orion and Pakled cultures but not much on Andorian culture.

>>149808542
Lower Decks did Vendorians right too.
Made some good jokes with them.

>>149808536
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1XWgtk3hkE
The Breen showing up in LD was an "oh SHIIIIIT" moment.
The Breen showing up in Discovery was an "oh. Shit" moment.

>>149808290
I'm always surprised Andorians don't seem more active in Starfleet or the Federation. Their culture as shown in Enterprise seemed adventurous and proactive, even open minded in a slightly abrasive way. Exactly the sort of people who would be down to explore strange new worlds.

>>149808536
>>149808594
I'D FORGOTTEN THEIR HELMETS LOOK LIKE LEIA'S FROM EP 6

>>149808542
Remember that one scene where they showed animated Kirk and Spock at a bar they visited

>>149806574
yeah Picard wasn't about adding something new, it was about making up for lost time. it should have been made in like 2010.

>>149808672
The "good" universe in Discovery is not a pleasant place to live.
I remember when the show was airing that people were speculating that there was going to be a reveal that Discovery had taken place in the Mirror Universe all along.

>>149808594
They have such a fundamental misunderstanding of Star Trek that there's still a part of me that wonders if it wasn't deliberate.
Like someone getting a zero on a test; statistically they should have gotten some things right. It's hard to get a zero by accident.

For some reason I still love the Cardassians.

>>149808742
Great use of the Pakleds too. Are they smart enough to be a real major threat to the Federation on their own? No. But they absolutely could brute-force themselves into destroying some ships, and were too stupid to consider long-term repercussions of fighting the Federation. Which in turn made them perfect pawns for anyone looking to start shit, like a bitter Klingon yearning for war. A+ use of stuff that had never been used since TNG.

>>149808185
Computer. Earl Grey, hot.
And a bottle of Buffalo Trace Bourbon.

>>149808839
Only Lower Decks could have brought back the Pakleds, let alone make them into a believable threat. Even if only for one season.

>>149808839
I get that there's something inherently funny about how stupid the Pakleds are, but I do wish that Lower Decks had done a better job of acknowledging how chilling they are. They're the sci-fi equivalent of a serial killer that lures a good Samaritan over to their van going "the battery's dead, I don't know cars, can you help" before murdering the good Samaritan for any change in their wallet. Those are some really evil bastards.

>>149808907
Hey, if you're not rich that's some decent value bourbon.

>>149808932
Gets me every time

>>149808942
>acknowledging how chilling they are.
There was the barest hint of that in the mining camp scene.
The implication was that they work all their slaves to death because all they want is the ore, and they're stupid to realize that fed slaves are productive slaves.
And rather than care, they just shrug and go get more slaves.

Also, there are a surprising number of on-screen deaths in this show. When they wanted to show things were serious, this funny cartoon was not afraid of showing screaming and running people getting disintegrated.

>>149808826
>The "good" universe in Discovery is not a pleasant place to live.
I remember early on there was a scene where two Federation shuttle crew are killed in an asteroid field while transporting the protagonist, and it's almost but not quite played for laughs. It was a small thing but there was just something slightly off about the tone, something grim and nihilistic, that augured badly for the rest of the show.

>>149808836
I love Keeping Up With The Cardassians.

>>149808932
That Pakled was smart.

>>149808919
There were Pakleds in Lower Decks.

>>149809110
He is a good negotiator

>>149809062
I remember that!
That was when I was still giving the show a fair chance.
I remember feeling disturbed that by the next scene, no-one even mentioned that shuttle pilot again.
If you weren't a main cast member, you were utterly disposable. You could die at any time, and would be forgotten two minutes later.
The way people were treated, I was genuinely wondering why any species would willingly join this Federation.

I never watched STD.
For.. maybe a stupid reason.
I learned her name was Michael and that just made me go 'no'.

>>149808826
Still better than the Mirror Universe. Even the Cardassians would look at all the backstabbing in the Mirror Universe and go "that seems a bit much."
Discovery could've done a lot with the idea of a Captain that grew up in the Mirror Universe and defected because our universe IS JUST BETTER. Have it be something only a few trusted people know about to preserve canon. But you'd get some pretty good stories out of a guy that's going "well the old me would've just vaporized those bitchy aliens... buuuuuut sure I'll try it the Federation way, you guys do keep surprising me with your success rate."
People being utterly irredeemable because of their cultural background just doesn't seem very Trek. Having him defect would've been far more fitting. When they didn't do that it was the last canary dropping dead as far as I was concerned, proving that there wouldn't be anything good to come in future seasons. And dammit, I was right.

>>149806198
I've never seen such expert canon welding
at a time when star wars was tossing out all the superior EU stuff, Trek is like "Fuckit, animated series is canon now"

>>149806465
She said she liked anybody ~bad~ which basically means she doesn't know what she likes and just wants to make her parents angry.
they made it funny, and integrated actual trek aliens, so it wasn't some woke inclusion shit
>>149806617
it was weird how... over the top he went with his vocal performance in Prodigy
also that the CG artist didn't properly capture his asymmetrical jowl lines.

>>149804198
/thread

>>149809199
>She said she liked anybody ~bad~ which basically means she doesn't know what she likes and just wants to make her parents angry.
I wonder if you felt my eye roll

>>149806814
That would indeed be an obstacle. But have you considered the wealth of collaborative partners available to you?
>>149807383
I mean it was popcorn. Popcorn that various chefs were constantly trying to elevate to elegant cuisine, with varying successes, but ultimately the network was askin for more sex, more wackiness, and fuck the technobabble logic.

>>149807766
Well sorta
>>149807867
Picard and Data shared the Spock role, while Riker was the Kirk. it made more sense that way, why would the captain always be the action guy?

>>149802739 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xfimMqeYO8

>>149808185
I don't think those timelines line up, anon
for one thing, this is the first i'm hearing of this.
>>149808290
at this point, it would be a bit... disrespectful to start exploring andorians. you'd be paving over everything anyone ever used them for over 60 years, with your new thing, insisting on itself. better to just have them exist and be around.
>>149808344
i thought that era was fucking over. so what, did SNW finish?

>>149809191
I think the comedic nature of the show let them handle "everything is canon" better than a more traditional show could. And they got better stories out of it than what the "non-comedy" people were putting out.
I think if you knew and loved Trek enough to find things worth keeping in the Animated Series, you were a big enough Trek fan that you were going to stick true to the ideals. It took a while, but even goddamn Peanut Hamper, AGIMUS, and Badgey were won over by morality and redeemed. Meanwhile in Discovery, it turned out that Section 31 WASN'T a bunch of rogue actors creating a secret society of traitors, it was a legitimate secret branch of government, because "well obviously you have to jettison morals out the door to get things done, there's no way the Federation doesn't have a few hundred assassins on payroll, right?"

>>149808390
wait they went back to that eco bullshit where warp travel damages subspace? flying in the face of the sorta 'magic system' of trek, whereby space and time and subspace and warp travel and conscious thought are all linked? hence Q saying the real exploratory adventure isn't out there, but within?

>>149808826
it's the same as everything else from 2012 onward
deliberately doing the wrong thing because the right thing is 'the patriarchy / capitalism / american imperialism / judeochristian / whatever you got' just mindless perma-child rebelliousness.

>>149809199
>and just wants to make her parents angry.
No, I'm pretty sure she was just acknowledging that Evil Is Sexy. She sees a Bad Girl (Bad Boy, Bad Nonbinary, Bad Binar) and she gets a little moist. Understandable, I know damn well what's given me an erection in the past, and evil laughs with leather pants were definitely a recurring element.
Upsetting her parents was a bonus.

>>149808942
the Pakleds are basically methhead crackbaby trailer trash. the chilling part is that they're alive and have access to vehicles, and what they could do to you, but they're impossible to be taken seriously. Even as they're skinning you for fun, you're still like "Really?"

>>149809274
I wish I still had this Rick and Carl meme where it talks about Starfleet being a military

>>149809062
star trek has kinda come full circle from TNG season 1 and 2 I suppose. where we can gloat smugly about letting people die for the almighty Prime Directive.
Reminds me of 80s Twilight Zone, you ever watch some of that?
>>149809110
I can see how you misread anon. he said "only Lower Decks could bring Pakleds back" in the same sense of "only Nixon could go to China."

>>149809339
Evil Kira..

>>149809363
There were Pakleds in Lower Decks. They were very smart.

>>149809176
Stugo has girls named Francis and Pliny and I'm lettin that go because that show rules.
You gotta reject a show for the right reasons.
>>149809212
oh come on dude, it's blatant as hell.

>>149809369
Yes very smart. Heh, we are Pakled.

>>149809274
>even goddamn Peanut Hamper, AGIMUS, and Badgey were won over by morality and redeemed.
It warms my heart that the show really had no throwaway characters, and that they go out of their way to show that everyone deserves a chance at redemption.

>>149809274
Tbh there's no right way to handle a Section 31 true nature reveal. What made it interesting was the knowledge that you would never know if it was real or not, because by its very nature, that's unknowable. That's the point. You can have a flawless utopia, but as long as people don't KNOW about the bad stuff, it can still happen, and it doesn't matter if it's genuinely part of the government, or if it's just Death from Bill n' Ted acting basically on his own.. regardless, because there's no security, no investigation, no nothing in Starfleet (anyone can just go anywhere on any ship without authorization), it COULD happen, which is scarier than knowing whether it DID happen

>>149809269
I didn't mean to suggest that Lower Decks was literally canceled because of Academy.
But Paramount canceled Lower Decks while apparently still wanting Trek, so some dumbass definitely went "THIS is what we should be doing instead of that cartoon!"
And if I ever meet that man, so help me, I will voice my disapproval to him!

>>149809339
oh wow, it has actually infected you

>>149809409
wouldn't be much point to living otherwise. Whether or not you think it comes from the guy whose name is literally salvation, everyone knows redemption needs to be on the table for everyone. Otherwise deep down, you know it's not really available for you. You won't make the cut, if there is a cut.
>>149809421
oh i got ya. Yeah. I am shocked, honestly. I thought Trek was going back into hibernation, this is the first I'm hearing of a new show. I guess because my last live action show nerd friend went woke

well wait that's not true, but my other remaining one is super out of touch and he wouldn't know about this. He's so oldschool he doesn't even like the TOS movies.

>>149809339
Goddamn..

>>149809415
You could get millage out of what DS9 did, saying that the Federation does have a spy/assassin division, "and there are people that know about it at the highest levels (no we won't say HOW high or HOW many people know)."
That says something about how humanity can improve while never reaching total moral perfection.
Where Discovery fucked up was just going "yup, they're there, everyone knows" like they're just the CIA or something.

>>149809470
yeah but I think even the nuanced version is a wrong choice. not just because it undermines the entire rest of trek. let's face it. that ship sailed. starfleet's leadership got taken over by brain worms once. and the borg most recently, which.. now that I think of it, since the borg sort of replaced those guys... heh.. uh, anyway, they've never been reliable. we saw what happened in the Dominion War.. no, that part is fine.
But I still say the issue is that Section 31's primary source of fear is the unknowability.. Once you know it for sure, it's ruined. Because the point of it, in-universe, is not being known. and the fact that there are metaphorical backrooms without any security cameras.

>>149802739 (OP)
I remember it used Palestinians getting horrifically murdered by the symbol of the federation as a gag, made fun of people in wheelchairs, made fun of asexuals because men are supposed to want to fuck, and constantly used Mariner mutilating her "friends" as a punchline.

What I don't remember is it ever being funny or smart or entertaining.

>>149809458
>He's so oldschool he doesn't even like the TOS movies.
Based TOS purist

bait used to be believable

>>149809661
Sorry, meant that as a reply to
>>149809564

>>149809821
I didn't want to give him a you

>>149809821
third time's the charm?
are you describing something Discovery/SNW did? because you're kind of all over the place politically here

>>149802739 (OP)
I love Beckett.
I think I'm gonna write a Youjo Senki x Star Trek crossover and have Tanya work on LD.
I think Tanya would hate Starfleet.

I remain amazed there's no gif of the "that was set to kill" "so am I" bit
I'd gif but I suck at giffing (gifing?)

>>149802739 (OP)
This was my first formal Star Trek show. I’ve been alive since the TNG era, but I was never able to get into the franchise.
However, Lower Decks being animated caught my attention, so I decided to give it a try, and I truly enjoyed it, even if more than half of the references and cameos flew over my head.

I know enough Trek lore to grasp the basics, but a close friend (a mid-level Trekkie, watched all the shows and movies) was ready to explain the bits I didn’t understand.

>>149810362
For me, I watched Lower Decks when I was feeling real shitty in life and the characters cheered me up.

>>149810330
ehh i didnt like that part..
>>149810362
good to have a friend like that.
>>149810386
i have to decide when it would be best to rewatch it..

>>149802739 (OP)
The biggest problem is that 90% of the jokes are references to TNG or DS9, and you really need to know a lot of about those two shows to get half the references. I imagine anyone who has not seen lots of either are just not going to know what is going on most of the time.

>>149810539
Perfect excuse to go back and watch those classics then!

Mating press Tendi while huffing her pits after a workout

>>149810553
yeah I'd much rather those get referenced most.
also 90% is an exaggeration, a solid 25% were TOS. Then I'd say 50% TNG, 18% DS9, and whatever's left from Voyager. which is already disproportionately a lot, given how much of Voyager took place across the galaxy and thus has no direct relevance here beyond being a reference.

>>149810638
that is how the orions do..

>>149810815
Voyager is really important for the finally. You really don't get some of the references or characters without watching it.

>>149810826
True Facts about Orions?

I was really bummed that LD didn't get the chance to do a proper Enterprise callback episode, like they did for DS9 and Voyager. The closest they got was the universe-hopping ship captained by Lily in the finale.

>>149810870
>An Orion is a kind of byurd.. Jerry, why does it say that? Well it's clearly a humanoid, you can almost see her nipples.

Don't care about all this mess about Academy and Discovery.

T'lynn, Mariner, and Tendi make pp hard

>>149810970
Green girls do it better

>>149811000
>D'vana Tendi fresh out of the shower
I m a g i n e t h e s m e l l

>>149811024
I wonder what people smell like coming out of a sonic shower.

Hang on... If the shower is sonic, what do you need a towel for?

>>149811024
are you guys making surreptitious references or do you actually not know about the Orion pheromone thing
>>149811041
... actually there's a weird logic to that. it's only vibrating your dirt molecules into microdust, you still have to wipe said dust off of yourself, at least anyplace it collects in crevices. it's impossible for any kind of fan system to blow in every direction at once.

>>149811041
Vibrations gotta do something to the downstairs.

>>149811068
We know that by some toss of the genetic dice, Tendi does not produce them so had to get along on her own secretions and charisma.

>>149811072
I like the cut of your jib.

>>149811068
Thank you, kind science anon. Now I'm picturing helping Tendi clear her crevices. I like this.

>>149811084
u wot
she just turns em off and/or people behave themselves.

>>149811123
There's actually no explanation given, but pheromones aren't something a species can intentionally turn off or on. At least not as some sort of natural mechanism.

Personally, I like the idea that they're on a Dominant allele, and Tendi has a double recessive that means she doesn't produce them, or in such trace amounts as to be unnoticeable.

>>149802739 (OP)
>All in all, good show.
agree to agree

>>149811155
i'm pretty sure in TOS they were said to be able to turn theirs on and off. The lady Orions know when to turn that shit on and use it to their advantage, and can even aim it at a single target. they don't just enthrall every male around them at all times.

Tendi lacking them would be interesting, but it would also, I think, undermine the way she's ~chosen~ not to be like the rest of her peeps, and how none of them treat her differently and instead they expect her to just get over this Starfleet phase and come back

>>149811317
Looking over the sources, it's Enterprise that says it's pheromones outright. In TOS, it was never mentioned, just "exotic green woman = alluring."
I do see your point and respect your opinion from a storytelling perspective, I personally think it makes more sense that it's not universal, but extremely common. There's no reason her decision to go into Starfleet has to be tied with having boner-inducing sweat or not.

>>149802739 (OP)
It was meh. Not bad, but also not good...except for the finale where they retconned STD. That one was great.

So thoughts on SNW?

>>149809564
>These are all real
>He actually left out the incestuous rape and murder of environmental activists
Trek and Morty is an abomination

>>149811466
Terrible show full of annoying cunts and retarded I LOVE MATH larping just like every other paramount trek.
It did do one good thing, though, which was show that Quaid and Newsome can be extremely charming when not weighed down by hideous Rick and Morty animation and sadistic writers.

>>149809564
Way to ignore there was an episode where the mutilation of Mariner was the gag of the episode.

>>149811466
amazing show that filters chuds like >>149811499

>>149802739 (OP)
Did the hapless male ever get an endgame GF? This is important

>>149811594
yes

>>149811622
Which character did he get with?

Another spam thread by the LD assburgers that loves to kill Trek threads.

>>149805020
Honestly far superior to the live action show constantly banging the 'Burnham is always right no matter how stupid her behaviour or scenario' drum.

Speaking of initial misgivings, when I first saw T'ana I figured they'd deliberately de-sexed a caitian as a middle finger to the catgirl lovers.
I thought her character would be a worse dr Pulaski with nothing interesting. I'm glad I was wrong.
Her appearances were a delight and I ended up looking forwards to any scenes she'd have in an episode. She's insane in the best possible way.

Why are caitians housecats? M'ress was a lion.