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Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149821600 >>149823454
El Goonish Shive Storytime #16
We had a lot of fun sorting out everyone's hormonal teenage feelings
Maybe today some plot will happen
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btw the colour's back
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I had a school dream last night too!
Wasn't naked tho
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Would people actually laugh at a hot naked girl?
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This probably qualifies as plot
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Grace's dream squad if everyone was everyone
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More card games?
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Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149821985 >>149822357
I want to say that lines up
You can get Jigglypuff at the bottom end of route 46, right?
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Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149822031 >>149822116
I like George as this slightly standoffish guru
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The more screentime she gets the more I support all of Sarah's habits
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Even George has lost his edge, old school George would have had Grace use dope-slap on Justin.
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This sounds like a speech Dan has lived through
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>5 mana
>5/5
>flying hexproof
>gains +1 counters on kill
>other vampires also gain +1 counters
I have no idea what state Magic is in so I don't know if that's great anymore
But all that on 5 mana sounds decent
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>>149812904
Terrible news
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>>149821985
Checkhov's Jigglypuff
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Assuming someone is gay is just the most reasonable option in Moperville
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https://youtu.be/0fyY5AfQtt0
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Dan's getting out of comfort zone a bit, drawing non-anthro monster
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Just a guess
But I think Luke might be a big gay
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Did Tedd get his hair mussed up?
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This was the first time I heard the term gender fluid
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>>149822441
That last panel might be good to post whenever OP is a faggot.
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>>149822127
He may live in constant terror of the unknown horrors of magic but $50 dollars is $50.
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>>149822288
Yeah merits only a 2 cost as it its about 3 turns to slow, the powercreep has really gotten out of hand.
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>>149822288
Projectile CCG cards are George's love language.
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That's perfectly understandable confusion
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>>149823197
I repeat my earlier problem with Justin a guy that good looking that out at his school of a thousand plus people, would have plenty of dates already.
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>>149823266
Sucks for Justin that all the gay guys are at Moperville North and South is filled with lesbians
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Anonymous No.149823420 >>149823656
>>149821861
Two schools was a mistake, makes zero sense some random girl from another school wants him so badly.
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>>149821600 (OP)
For a second I thought that said "rape exception" and now I wonder how that would work.
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Sure would be a shame if Elliot happened to wander in and tripped and his lips landed all over your lips
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>>149822683
4u
Anonymous No.149823656 >>149823910
>>149823420
I think Moperville North is a Private school, no way a Public one could get uniforms in and out THAT quickly with no input from the parents.
>We never got to see the Dunkels and Susan's Mom or Edward's response to the Uniforms
>Despite Tedd and Susan's fight being the inciting incident for said uniforms and Principal Schickgruber accusing her of being a criminal
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>>149823524
Fuck yeah redundancy
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149823667 >>149825481 >>149826447
Gonna end it with this magic babble
Maybe tomorrow we can get out of this dang card shop
Anonymous No.149823671 >>149823910
>>149823363
Oh right, Grace is part of a DnD group.
I don't think that's gone anywhere.
Anonymous No.149823887 >>149825050 >>149825513
>>149823621
Tedd and Grace always kinda come off more like siblings than a couple to me.
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>>149823323
Just give up the pretense, and start banging Hope already Sarah. At least she more fun, and engaging character then chucklefuck their.
>>149823656
Elliot's family could in no way afford a private school. It was a dumb plot that Dan's admitted he cut off, because even he noticed it was dumb. And that is saying something when even Dan thinks it it dumb
>>149823671
Fairly certain that is the third, and last time it ever comes up again in anything. Even Ellen's alternate life, has gotten more mentions since the party, to this point in the comic, then Grace's DnD friends.
Anonymous No.149823915 >>149825856 >>149828466
>>149822784
I will refrain from bringing the topic up because its dumb, but remember that both Ted and Dan fap to this as part of their fetish. What an odd coincidence.
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>>149822321
Vampire Sarah is hot
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>>149822213
What is with public restrooms that turn otherwise normal people into filthy pigs?
Anonymous No.149823965 >>149825050
>>149823939
Too bad Dan's actual vampires are just a bunch of random freakshit types. And all dead.

Otherwise, this would be the ideal avenue to make Sarah "special" if Dan wanted to.
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>>149823953
The truth that you don't want to confront is that these people are not normal and treat their own bathrooms with the same contempt.
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>>149823953
>Otherwise normal people
>at a Friday Night Magic tourney
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>>149822321
How is that vampire sarah looks more like Sarah that Sarah?
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>>149824002
Because the designs of the main cast and really all of Dan's character designs in general have gotten increasingly homogenized over the years.
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Nice
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You are being generous with his earlier designs
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>>149824183
I have a generous heart.
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>>149822965
George is so intolerant of the gays.
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>>149822426
>AND OTHER PAIRINGS NOBODY CARES ABOUT!
Huehuehueh
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>>149824045
Not so much that as, like the writing, softened and babyfied. That said of the actual main cast Sarah is still more or less my favorite one by virtue of not really having the same hang ups based around gender and sexuality and shit every other main character has. This also means she doesn't do shit though.
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>>149823177
The only sane squirrel in a world gone mad.
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I honestly forgot that Dan had already done a Magic the Gathering tournament story before this last one. The comic really is just him rambling on about magic systems and whatever his autistic obsession this year is, isn't it?
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>>149822571
Sup, Sam.
Anonymous No.149824580 >>149825193
Y'know I hadn't connected the dots earlier thinking it was just a quirky character thing but it makes perfect sense that a transman would naturally gravitate to having the absolute MAXIMUM number of pockets possible.

So well done there Dan.
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>>14.9822796
Thrall Justin fucks.
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>>149824437
I hate Sam
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>>149822416
Evil little girl is back! After what? 1 1/2 IRL?
Anonymous No.149824898 >>149828487
>>149822500
That dragon looks cgi.
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>>149823887
Yeah Tedd and Grace might a well be siblings they certainly do not act like lovers at all anymore.
>>149823965
Good god yes, aberrations are just terrible from a design, and setting perspective. Their no unifying theme, beyond kills people to live. And for a group of being cast away all humanity, they still die like bitches, against untrained teenagers.
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>>149824580
I connected those dots when I first read it, I saw herm and was all oh ok so that’s a woman. I was right very fast.
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>>149824183
His older art wasn't perfect but it wasn't homogenized either. Sarah used to be sharper back when she was the only female in the comic and personality wise was more like Susan.
Anonymous No.149825481
>>149823667
for all its flaws this has been a fun read. thanks for dumping so consistently Magister
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>>149823887
You were raised as an only child if you think siblings stand that closely to each other.
Anonymous No.149825582 >>149828034 >>149830040
I don't suppose we have a consensus on a general rating of each arc?
If this one isn't among the lowest rated, I'm not looking forward to the next 11 years
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>>149822683
Clonewars cartoon is a mix back unless they mean the original shorts in which case is kino.
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>>149822750
And so it begins.
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>>149822416
Oh man, I completely forgot but this is where I finally dropped the comic after a few years of checking it out of habit but not really liking it anymore, I cant even remember why I quit
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>>149823915
They fap to genderfluid people?
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>>149823998
Whats this sexy images of EGS characters? bring them on!
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>>149823197
Still some good laughs
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>>149825856
In a way, yes.
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>>149825867
I haven't read EGS in years, but if I remember right the author concurrently put out EGS: NP(?), which would have fun non-canon stories and art.
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>>149823309
The fundamental difference between males and females of any species is that male actively court females while females receive courtship and decided to which male they should go with. Males would welcome random girls hitting on them.
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>>149823467
Are those invisible breasts or what?
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>>149823660
Its like getting an item way bellow your level in an RPG. Or a weapon with the same stats as the one you are using.
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>>149826236
Give me three
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>>149821944
Pink-haired non-binary Tedd may be the worst thing to happen to this comic.
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>>149823605
Dun Dun Dun!!!! he has three different ways to go back to normal... this is the last person a transformation like this would affect...
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>>149822784
Shive could have just phased out the idea that Tedd has gender issues as one of his own character traits, but instead he leaned it over and over and over again and used it as a poorly written excuse to validate some inane tranny bullshit with a character who can transform into whatever he wants, whenever he wants to. How the fuck does this character have self-image issues?
Anonymous No.149826447
>>149823667
Thanks Magister, It's been fun.

One of the issues the comic has is how much clutter with words it is, but I think the main issue is when the characters go into exposition mode they all sound the same. So it feels like you are just reading a manifesto instead of two characters talking.
Anonymous No.149826450 >>149826462 >>149828064
>>149816700
Maybe that's what that girl from Tedd's school who died was supposed to be about
>>149817070
Such a shame
>>149818238
Lol that does make it better
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>>149826450
Oh yeah I still was wondering about wherever that girl who died was going to amount to anything.
Anonymous No.149826503 >>149826797
>>149826411
I feel there is a difference between trans people who are born with gender dysphoria and trans people who got brain rotted by porn. I think Tedd and by extension Dan are in the second category.
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>>149822099
Ugh, here he is.
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Oh wait, no HERE he is. UGH
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>>149822716
I like how he captures the: "aggressively pushes it in you" angle. Very true to real life.
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>>149822784
You Anons might laugh, but I physically could not believe this happened when it first happened.
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>>149823266
It really doesn't make sense he has hangups and is so celibate when we just saw there are like a million gay people at Moperville North
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>>149826652
Tedd having such a serious TG fetish and somehow not knowing about transsexualism is even less realistic then the aliens and magic.
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>>149826698
They accidentally put him in the straight guys and lesbians school when they should have sent him to the other one.
Another classic tale of the educational system failing its charges.
Anonymous No.149826797 >>149828563 >>149828575
>>149826503
No one is actually born with gender dysphoria. The whole "mismatched brain and body" idea that Shive even references in these comics, is 100% pop science bullshit. There's no such thing as a female brain, let alone a brain that is any kind of separate entity from the rest of the body it's in. Gender Dysphoria is always a combination of autism, past sexual trauma, assorted mood and anxiety disorders, and fetishism, rather than it being any kind of quantifiable real condition someone can have on its own, without any of the previously mentioned issues. Instead of being a real thing with its own specificities, it's actually just an umbrella term for a set of other problems that amount to "horny autist with some depression and BPD"
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>>149826770
>He ended up in the wrong school due to mural-related budget cuts
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>>149826802
It always circles back to Hitler.
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>>149826724
Point
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>>149826802
>>149826841
This is actually hilarious in retrospect. Grace is having a breakdown because of WW2. Meanwhile, Elliot, Susan, and the others are running around dealing with Principal Hitler's wild antics.
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There's a gay guy at my workplace. His bf came in one day, and they totally do that earring flash.
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>>149823582
Tedd looked so damn cute at this point.
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>>149822080
Sorry boys, s(he)'s taken (for elliot)
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>>149822321
Hm. Well i guess thats sarah's straight-card declined
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>>149822450
This would work on me
Anonymous No.149828034 >>149829204
>>149825582
You've basically hit the point where the quality goes downhill and it becomes more Dan sperging about his autistic interests. I'm warning you, the big Magus/Sirleck story that takes 10+ years to get to winds up being disapointing because it's mostly an excuse to get to magic changing and Dan's real interest: autistically exploring and explaining how the magic system works so all the joy and surprise is sucked out of it. Or would be, but it's all so autistically meandering that I still don't really get how exactly it works.

Autism.
Anonymous No.149828046 >>149829159 >>149829204
>>149822416
>How WOULD you ride one of those? The wings would get in the way of a saddle...
This one caption I think embodies the last 10 years of EGS: why leave things to imagination and whimsy when you can needlessly and pointlessly nitpick it to death?
Anonymous No.149828064
>>149826450
>Such a shame
What happens to Diane is so, so much worse. But at least her girlfriend is the hottest character in the series.
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>>149827564
One of my coworkers is a gay dude and his boyfriend is a pooner who basically acts and dresses like a very effeminate gay man. They're pretty cool though, super nice and chill and way easier to deal with than the zoomer chick and her endless drama.
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>>149823177
Poor justin. It must suck being gay moperville where even the straight guys are chicks
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>>149823915
To be fair, its hard to think of a sexual fantasy that doesnt involve being a preferred sex doing a gender role. If you were mtf and only jerked off while imagining yourself as a guy it would be significantly stranger right? Like being a bodybuiler who can only cum by self-inserting in fat guy porn
Anonymous No.149828487
>>149824898
Dan's been tracing over 3d renders since at least the space whale. Look closely at shots with odd perspectives and clunky poses. The muscular werewolves are also pretty obvious
Anonymous No.149828563 >>149828584
>>149826797
>a brain that is any kind of separate entity from the rest of the body it's in.
Hm. Guess im using this thing twice in one day. Ah well, im sure noone i know irl is reading along

Anyway there are multiple parts of the brain responsible for mapping your body and determining what is and isnt part of you and what you should and shouldnt be like. Its messy and poorly understood, but most of neuroscience is and we have statistically significant results from brainscans that trans brains are shaped more like their preferred sex than their birth sex. I cant explain it better than that because its not my field, but if i were betting i'd say we'll see transgenders be reclassified as a neurological intersex condition in the near future

As for pseudoscience, we can and do study cocontaminant mental illnesses, and autism is one but only by single digit percentages. It cant account for transness on its own. Same for sexual trauma which is also correlative not causative The rest of the stuff you threw in is just as meaningless. You've created this vague psycho-alchemical formula for transness but have no real idea of how to reproduce transness or how to predict it from those components, and have no evidence to support any component of it

If you're worried about scientific accuracy you need to prioritize statistically significant results and reasonable mechanisms of action. Watch out for stuff that relies on vagueness to the point of unfalsifiability, its just supersticion
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>>149826797
>a brain that is any kind of separate entity from the rest of the body it's in.
Hm. Guess im using this thing twice in one day. Ah well, im sure noone i know irl is reading along

Anyway there are multiple parts of the brain responsible for mapping your body and determining what is and isnt part of you and what you should and shouldnt be like. Its messy and poorly understood, but most of neuroscience is and we have statistically significant results from brainscans that trans brains are shaped more like their preferred sex than their birth sex. I cant explain it better than that because its not my field, but if i were betting i'd say we'll see transgenders be reclassified as a neurological intersex condition in the near future

As for pseudoscience, we can and do study cocontaminant mental illnesses, and autism is one but only by single digit percentages. It cant account for transness on its own. Same for sexual trauma which is also correlative not causative The rest of the stuff you threw in is just as meaningless. You've created this vague psycho-alchemical formula for transness but have no real idea of how to reproduce transness or how to predict it from those components, and have no evidence to support any component of it

If you're worried about scientific accuracy you need to prioritize statistically significant results and reasonable mechanisms of action. Watch out for stuff that relies on vagueness to the point of unfalsifiability, its just supersticion.
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>>149828563
Pretty sure the person you were replying to has a moral belief in the value of intentional superstition. They might not knowingly post a lie, they will sustain ignorance for the sake of a righteous opinion.

I also have soul sight and use comics like this to advance consciousness at all scales.
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>>149823939
Super hot
>>149823953
One it gets dirty everyone gets grossed out because it's due to strangers which just leads to it getting worse
>>149824045
This. He basically drew original Sarah
>>149825856
That's probably the most accurate way of saying it, yes.
Anonymous No.149828626 >>149828671
>>149828575
I'm a former trans person and I used to live in the "gay capital of the U.S.A." where I meet literally hundreds of other teens people and 100% of the time of you talked to them for long enough you would find they never really thought about it before they went through a huge porn phase.
Anonymous No.149828629
>>149823953
At my work if I have to use the bathroom for shitting I will unironically bring in a bottle of spray disinfectant or wipes and wipe the shit out of everything before using it. Does it ACTUALLY do anything? I don't know, but it's a small place not really trafficked when my shift is so it gives me peace of mind.
Anonymous No.149828646
>>149828584
Eh maybe, but if im reading it right it seems they're more misinformed than anything. Sometimes people have just never been shown both sides properly before. And besides, i already had the chart
Anonymous No.149828654
>>149828584
>I also have soul sight and use comics like this to advance consciousness at all scales.
Anonymous No.149828671 >>149829024
>>149828626
Haha sure why not
Spiro or cypro? Is powers based or cringe? Which disphoria did you have?
Anonymous No.149829024 >>149829082
>>149828671
Spiro
Dunno
Didn't have any, just thought it would be fun. Most people don't.
Anonymous No.149829082 >>149829412
>>149829024
>i was a pisshon with brainfog
Kek whats it like being over 30
Anonymous No.149829159
>>149828046
Word
Anonymous No.149829185 >>149829356
>>149828575
Must sucks being born with a brain that basically tell you :the rest of your body is wrong"
Anonymous No.149829204
>>149828034
>>149828046
Maybe I should quit while the comic is still not aweful.
Anonymous No.149829243
>>149823953
>its not mine and someone gets paid to clean it so who cares

I imagine that's the mentality.
Anonymous No.149829276 >>149829356 >>149833981 >>149834669
>>149826652
Yeah me neither. Talk about a fucking shark jump moment.

>>149826724
I remember arguing this exact same point when this comic first went up and other fans actually defending this shitty writing. It was baffling.
Anonymous No.149829356 >>149829433 >>149829520
>>149829185
Sure seems that way

>>149829276
Maybe he's just never gone on the internet? He's got a fully kitted out goon cave complete with couch and full length mirror after all. Its not like he needs it
Anonymous No.149829412 >>149829616
>>149829082
Pretty cool, actually. Getting married and buying a house.
Anonymous No.149829433
>>149829356
>>Maybe he's just never gone on the internet
that's a bigger stretch than the yoga pants i saw a fat woman wear recently
Anonymous No.149829520 >>149830386
>>149829356
Imagine never needing any external sources or references to help satisfy your fetish and being 100% self sufficient from day 1
Anonymous No.149829616 >>149831694
>>149829412
>i was a tranny who took hormones and grew tits but i totally cured myself and im going to start a family
Lmao thank god this is a larp, i wouldnt wish that disaster on my worst enemy
Anonymous No.149829873 >>149829963
>>149828575
You're ignoring the agp crowd using "trans" explicitly as a smokescreen to hide behind for their fetish.
Anonymous No.149829963 >>149831715
>>149829873
Blanchard would be ashamed of you
Anonymous No.149830040
>>149825582
I think the general uptick in complaints about the comic says it all really.

Things got worse after Grace's birthday party for sure. But it still had some good features. Taking the difference between Identity the last arc/thread where Susan fully succumbed to the flandarztion. And what came prior we are having a huge uptick in problems with the comic, that a severe enough people are posting about it.
Anonymous No.149830158 >>149830430
>>149828575
>but most of neuroscience is and we have statistically significant results from brainscans that trans brains are shaped more like their preferred sex than their birth sex.
I don't know why you're repeating this, but you really ought to stop, because it's not even remotely true. The shape of male and female brains are so similar that a "female shaped brain" does not exist in human physiological science.

You're doing a really good job of using pop pseudo-science to back up your points, but the reason they don't test for gender dysphoria with brainscans is because they never have and never will be able to find anything. All studies about trans brains only show that soaking a male brain in female hormones causes it to act the way a human brain does when subject to more estrogen.

In short, everything you just posted was bullshit.
Anonymous No.149830386
>>149829520
Its like getting AI images before you know what porn is.
Anonymous No.149830430 >>149830653 >>149831731 >>149833367
>>149830158
Now you're just lying
First of all, its the first google result and Its pubmed
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8955456/
Second, the scan is by MRI. You know those arent free right? They cost hundreds of dollars and take an entire hour per scan, and theres a limited number which are already overbooked. There is no rational reason on earth to refer trans patients to confirm with an MRI when they can be diagnosed just as easily by questionaire. "Oh timmy you tripped and hurt your ankle? Well MRI is the gold standard so why dont you wait three weeks and pay $400 to find out you sprained it?"
Madness. But sure, experimental evidence and best practice guidelines and basic common sense are pseudoscience i guess. why not.
Anonymous No.149830653 >>149831175 >>149833367
>>149830430
>we analyzed a sample of 24 cisgender men, 24 cisgender women, and 24 transgender women before gender-affirming hormone therapy.
Amazing sample size there. You should probably read the actual study because at best it finds that trannies have marginally different brains, but also that there is no standard cisgender brain for either of the two sexes. Also, they used an MRI, the same thing you decided to seethe about despite insisting that there is some distinct, measurable, biological different in trans brains. A thing that is meaningfully true and not easily described by a variety of other known conditions not measured nor tested for in that study (autism, NPD, BPD) which do show distinct, measurable difference in brain structure on MRI scans.
Anonymous No.149831175 >>149831756
>>149830653
>the evidence literally doesnt exist
>okay it exists but i dont like it
Look at those goalposts move.
And you're still on your "no anatomical variance" shit inventing quotes to justify it that arent even in the paper. Try this one
>Some (or perhaps all) of the aforementioned variables may have contributed to neuroanatomical variations in transgender brains, as repeatedly observed in bothpost mortemand in vivo studies published over the past three decades [10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28].
>repeatedly observed
Thats 18 citations of anatomical differences
18
And not only did you not read the paper, you didnt even read my post because you somehow missed that an MRI is not a practical way to diagnose gender disphoria

Yes your explanation is "easy". So is "videogames cause violence" and "my crops died because of a comet". Its easy because you have no fucking evidence, you dont even have a proposed mechanism of action to justify it. Of course its easy to be retarded, do no work, never read and never think.
Anonymous No.149831667 >>149832693
>>149821643
What year was this again? Because we can now totally computer generate funny cat pictures.
Naked Grace, not as much, but I hope that someone's working on it. A lot of it. Maybe even transformation forms video.

>>149822058
Sarah likes werewolves. She hasn't had a "catch the escaped doggy" halloween comic even once!

>>149822545
They found an immortal, Hope. In a pinch they could use the two that tricked Sarah. In a hard pinch they could use Voltaire. They can bring hammers back any time now. Or things other than hammers. (Imagines the Elliot and Susan review show having a pie fight episode with guest stars Nanase and Ellen.)

>>149823370
There's a lot more "unleash me" than I remember during the card game. Reading it like this is faster.
Anonymous No.149831694
>>149829616
Its honestly pretty common. I know a lot of people from my hometown that moved to the city and did a whole: "I'm queer and a Liberal Activist!" stage until it got too expensive, then they moved back home and quietly went back to normal. I guess mine was just trendier.

I will say the blast of testosterone I got from going off my hormones pretty much cleared me right up. I was like: "Oh, wtf am I doing? Lol"
Anonymous No.149831715
>>149829963
Well, boo hoo
Anonymous No.149831731 >>149833367 >>149836828
>>149830430
Anon there are thousands of free standing MRI facilities across the country that have open availability at a fraction of the price, and in most European and Asian countries you can get one for like $30
Anonymous No.149831756 >>149836828
>>149831175
This is going to quickly go off topic, but you can't say there's a difference if you're not establishing what the standard is supposed to be first.
Anonymous No.149832401 >>149833195
>>149823998
The real prize of the card game was the contestants all along.
Anonymous No.149832693
>>149831667
Is not like they can contact anynof this immortals, let alone convince them to allow women summon anime hammers.
Anonymous No.149833195
>>149832401
Part of me thinks Dan should make up his own card game then see if he can pivot the comic into being a Yu-Gi-Oh clone and make millions
Anonymous No.149833367 >>149836828
>>149830430
>>149830653
>>149831731

Even if MRI was an absolute, reliable and cheap way to identify trans people they will never use it that way because "treating" "trans" people generate a shit load of money and thus the goal is to have as many people as possible do it, and have an objective test to tell confused teenagers that they are just confused run against that goal.
Anonymous No.149833981
>>149829276
It's basically the point where the comic turns from a story/SoL comic based aound Dan's interests which exist in service to everything else to a comic where Dan telling you in exhausting detail about his interests is the point.
Anonymous No.149834669 >>149835221 >>149835269 >>149835628
>>149829276
The impression I get from this comic by hearing about it second hand, is that it becomes a long rant about gender identity, is this true or is just this people taking this out of proportions.
Anonymous No.149835221
>>149834669
A little from column A, a little from column B, its not omnipresent but if they touch the subject you should know what to expect
Anonymous No.149835269 >>149835771
>>149834669
No, it's a long rant about a magic system for caught pretending to be science on the side while spring cleaning.
Anonymous No.149835628
>>149834669
No, the long rants are about magic and Magic the Gathering.
Anonymous No.149835771 >>149835853 >>149839815
>>149835269
Speaking of, what's up with the change from scifi to magic? It started with them fighting lab grown creatures, mutants, there were aliens, tech, alternate universes and aliens. Then it became all about magic, the aliens got retcon to being partially magic, the tf gun is p
artially magic too, etc.
Anonymous No.149835853
>>149835771
Anime-style martial arts has existed since the very early days, so it wasn't always pure science.
I think the shift is just part of Dan's magic system autism and wanting everything to be codified under it.
Anonymous No.149836225 >>149837049 >>149838196 >>149839815
Wait until you get to Diane not actually being a slutty boy crazy seductress but she was only pretending to be one and even then didn't actually know what she was doing and didn't know it was giving her a reputation.

It might be the absolute worst and most nonsensical retcon in the entire series and makes zero fucking sense even when it's explained. You can't even call what happens to Diane Flanderization, more like she got killed and replaced by an alternate version of Sarah or something. Diane being an alternate Sarah would have been better than her being related to Susan because to this day I have never seen the similarities between Susan and Diane beyond both being skinny and having long hair since most characters have similar faces anyway and her current look and personality are way closer to Sarah than Susan.
Anonymous No.149836828 >>149837745 >>149839855
>>149831731
No, you cant. Im not american. I have subsardized MRI. But only some clinics are approved to give cheap MRIs and even then only when you have a referral from a GP for something that NEEDS MRI. No matter how accuurate it is you cant and dont get an MRI to just confirm random bullshit without a trial of care. But you're just lying for the sake of contradicting me at this point

>>149831756
There are 18 citations of papers establishing a difference AND theres the criteria used in the paper itself. If you really want to know what they did then just read the paper...

>>149833367
1) incidental findings on imaging are extremely common, nothing in the paper suggests MRI as a gold standard
2) even if it was, if the diagnosis can be made without it theres no reason to send for MRI
3) If you wanted to embezzel/waste money you WOULD just send for a shitload of MRIs because they're expensive and estrogen costs like $100 dollars a year
4) even if MRI were used to diagnose trans people that would make no difference in treatment
5) other treatment modalities have been tried for like 50 years and none of them worked
At this point you're just appealing to the evil nature of big pharma, but the expensive part of transitioning is the surgeries and even then, mostly just FFS which you dont need if you get estrogen early enough, and SRS which most people dont get, and most people go overseas for those anyway. So who actually benefits from the conspiracy? The elite global kabal of... korean and thai plastic surgeons?
Anonymous No.149837049
>>149836225
Susan and Diane being sisters would have been cool because at some point they had contrasting personalities. Right now not so much, they are pretty much the same except that Diane is a lesbian and Susan is a cuck.
Anonymous No.149837134 >>149837765
DAAAAN!!!!!
DAAAAAN BRING HER BACK!!!!
I WANT TO SEE HER! SHOW ME MY CUTE BAT WIFE!!!
DAN IT'S BEEN 20 FUCKING YEARS!!!!!!
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!!!!
Anonymous No.149837745 >>149839281
>>149836828
I have expressed no opinion on the validity of MRI, on anything else regarding this discussion. I was instead supporting your point by replying to that anon asking if MRI is so sure as a diagnosis why don't they do it every time. I am just pointing out how big pharma doesn't like objective and measurable ways to diagnose an illness because regardless of how many legitimate trans persons there are is the diagnosis is left to individual judgement from a professional then they can pressure or convince those to relax their standards and have a lot more people hooked on drugs. It won't be the first time. A lot more harder when the diagnosis becomes "do an MRI, if there is X then it's a diagnosis".
>they're expensive and estrogen costs like $100 dollars a year
MRIs are not scalable the same way drugs prescription are, they are una tantum instead of having a steady flux of sales (the same way everything is shifting to subscription services) and Google is giving me prices extremely more inflated than 100$ a year, especially if you don't have an insurance.
Anonymous No.149837765 >>149838208
>>149837134
If you fucked her would your kids come out human or chimera/alien? I forget how that works.
Anonymous No.149838196 >>149839631 >>149839631
>>149836225
>It might be the absolute worst and most nonsensical retcon in the entire series and makes zero fucking sense even when it's explained

The most retarded thing about it is how Diane announcing to the school that she's not a slut had the effect of everyone instantly believing her and her reputation disappearing. Also everything involving her amazon friend
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149838205
Lets wrap up this dang card game stuff
Anonymous No.149838208 >>149838281
>>149837765
Can't get preganant in human form
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>>149838208
Don't they breed very weird anyway. Like eggs and you gotta touch them I forget exactly I just remember that they crossbred super easy with other species.
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George knows
Anonymous No.149838326 >>149838359
>>149838275
>>149838261
That's retarded
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>>149838326
It's the sort of "I'm special" ability that, like, an isekai protagonist would have
And I've built up quite a tolerance to that since this comic came out
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Anonymous No.149838395 >>149839803 >>149840980 >>149844856
>>149838359
I am more talking about the fact that he somehow never noticed that he's the only one that can do that
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What a night of discovery these two are having
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The ol' blue vs blue
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The sneaky telekinesis
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Anonymous No.149838851 >>149839088 >>149839565 >>149839837
>>149838750
I can see the breasts of the pooner.


These new characters suck dick. Is anyone even readong right now?
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Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149838883 >>149838993 >>149840013
George got all the way through HGSS in like 3 or 4 hours
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Anonymous No.149838937 >>149839051
>>149821634
Fear of people developing their own magic is the worst sin of all.
Anonymous No.149838993
>>149838883
>George got all the way through HGSS in like 3 or 4 hours
Glitchless speedruns are around 3.30h so it's actually possible
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>>149838937
He's a government dude. Magic going around would be the government worst nightmare.
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Anonymous No.149839088
>>149838851
People stopped reading this webcomic a long time before this arc. This just killed the stragglers. The Webcomic was already moving at a glacial pace people were getting annoyed the story wasn't going anywhere. This was 15 years ago mind you.
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149839093 >>149839112 >>149839613
This tournament was legit like 8 months long
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>>149839093
We'll die of old age before something fucking happens again in El Goonish Shive...
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When did we learn about Cat's mark? Was that in a NP story I didn't dump yet?
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Goddamn Justin
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Anonymous No.149839173
>>149839142
He is not wrong. Its a reflex of one wanting to run away of himself, an escapism that can become unhealth and turn into an identity.
Anonymous No.149839188 >>149839366
>>149839171
He’s too old Justin look at that facial hair move on.
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Super duper cool
Some of my pages are out of order
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Anonymous No.149839281 >>149839435 >>149839455
>>149837745
Ah, i might have misread you then. As much as i hate big pharma, trannies arent a good way to push pills. For one those prices are products intended for post-menopausal women, the primary consumers of estrogen. If you wanted to boost sales you'd target them since its a much larger market with significantly less resistance. And yeah you can pressure doctors towards laxer standards, but you dont really need to.

What the smart trannies do is get estrogen vials and do injections which is significantly cheaper and more effective, and a lot of them get it on the grey market without a perscription at all.

Its good to be vigilant about corporate interests in healthcare, but "here's a fairly cheap pill you can get illegally if we charge too much that takes months to work and makes you grow tits and your dick stops working" is kind of a hard sell. Plus the scandinavian studies on desistance rates are giving results in the fractions of percents. As these things go hormones are being perscribed extremely responsibly compared to stuff like opioid painkillers, ADHD meds or antidepressants
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Anonymous No.149839293 >>149839318
>>149838241
Oh no, his power is exposition!
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Anonymous No.149839318
>>149839293
So he’s dan.
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Anonymous No.149839339
>>149823261
I'm getting something... I'm sensing...
>not actually hypothetical
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149839343 >>149839366
Tell him about your best friend's magic boobs
Anonymous No.149839366
>>149839188
>>149839334
>>149839343
Boo he’s too old for you Justin.
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Anonymous No.149839435 >>149840463
>>149839281
>As much as i hate big pharma, trannies arent a good way to push pills. For one those prices are products intended for post-menopausal women, the primary consumers of estrogen. If you wanted to boost sales you'd target them since its a much larger market with significantly less resistance.
This argument was always idiotic. They are expanding their market from middle aged women to young men and getting them hooked for life. Its billions that they wouldn't me making otherwise.

Also it's super easy to find these people bragging or trying to get hospitals into it by saying it's a billion dollar industry.
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Anonymous No.149839448
>>149838503
Creepy
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149839454 >>149841467
Calling it here tonight
Tomorrow will be a NP catch-up day
There'll be canon stuff in there this time too
Anonymous No.149839455 >>149840463 >>149840570
>>149839281
>Plus the scandinavian studies on desistance rates are giving results in the fractions of percents
Another idiotic argument

Studies which give low estimates have been criticised for their "serious limitations", such as short follow-up, high or unclear rates of loss to follow up, reliance on individuals returning to secondary care clinics reporting transition regret or seeking reversal procedures, (a study of 100 detransitioners found that only 24% of respondents informed their clinicians that they had detransitioned), errors, non-replicability, as well as other issues.

Studies have reported higher rates of desistance among prepubertal children. A 2016 review of 10 prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence found desistance rates ranging from 61% to 98%, with evidence suggesting that they might be less than 85% more generally.

A 2019 clinical assessment found that 9.4% of patients with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria either ceased wishing to pursue medical interventions or no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their assigned sex at birth within an eighteen-month period.

Another study from a UK primary care practice found that 12.2% of those who had started hormonal treatments either detransitioned or documented regret, while a total of 20% stopped the treatments for a wider range of reasons. An April 2022 study found that 284 individuals out of a total of 952 (29.8%) had stopped hormone therapy treatments.

Studies of transition regret or detransition in different populations have found different (average or median) elapsed times before these occurred: a 2018 study found 10 years and 10 months on average to regret (but not necessarily detransition) from start of hormonal therapy, and a 2014 study of those who had surgery found a median lag of 8 years before requesting a reversal of legal gender status. A 2021 UK study found evidence that supports detransitioning occurring on average 4–8 years after.
Anonymous No.149839565
>>149838851
>These new characters suck dick. Is anyone even readong right now?
In this thread, or in general?
Anonymous No.149839613
>>149839093
Just wait the next time it take over a full year.
Anonymous No.149839619
>>149838261
http://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Ability_Intuition awakening, nice. Imagine the glasses
Anonymous No.149839631
>>149838196
I think the point of that was to reveal she had some kind of inadvertant and unknown to her magic, specifically that she's able to convince people of things pretty easily like having a maxed out CHA score... which flies in the face of everything prior where she was always portrayed as ineffective unless Nanase etc. are just immune to it.

>>149838196
>Also everything involving her amazon friend
Do you mean them becoming a couple? I'm iffy on that because I think Lucy is straight up the hottest girl Dan's ever drawn and I like thet her main personality trait is calling everyone and everything out on how stupid and nonsensical they all are.
Anonymous No.149839740
>>149838306
George is the smartest character in the comic, shame he's such a homophobe.
Anonymous No.149839776
>>149838456
FYI third panel is what every divination practice says to avoid ever trying to do for yourself.
Anonymous No.149839789
>>149838920
Fuckin' glue-on soul patch from the dollar store
Anonymous No.149839803
>>149838395
That's actually the most realistic part of it, why would anyone ever assume they had special sensory abilities?

Like it took a while before they figured out why some people think cilantro tastes like soap.
Anonymous No.149839815 >>149839835 >>149841507
>>149835771
I believe originally it was supposed to just be a fun fantasy kitchen sink where All Myths Were True and Dan could have these fun characters run around getting into any sort of shenanigans he wanted. At some point when it took off and he felt the need to explain how things worked and further the plot I think he just realized it was easier if everything were magic because he can just say: "it works this way because that's how it works" and add his safeguards into things easily whereas having to come up with a plausible sounding scientific explanation is more work.
>>149836225
Agreed, not only was she more interesting beforehand, but as you said it would have made more sense for either her and Sarah to be sisters or for Sarah to just be given her storyline with her current characterization (which would solve a lot of things if she also had Ashley's storyline with Kevin coming up. It would trim the cast nicely and actually give her something to do an be a nice growth for her since she's one of the main characters. I mean imagine all the plot she would be getting between her Hope stuff, Tedd and Grace stuff, and Kevin stuff. All the more convenient since all of these things are also localized within Tedd's basement. )
Anonymous No.149839835 >>149840053 >>149841565
>>149839815
If he had kept Diane's original personality it would have been interesting watching her and OG Susan get to know and bounce off each other as long lost twins. They're both cold, standoffis, and kind of bitchy but in a way that clashes. I think Diane would really challenge Susan's straw feminist tendencies (even though she had been moving away from that) as well as her more celibate tendencies whereas Susan could chew Diane out and really reel her in, eventually pushing each other to grow as people. I imagine they wouldn't like each other or want to be in each other's lives at first but after some kind of magical catastrophe almost kills them they're forced to associate with each other out of survival necessity and then there's a whole lot of fun that could come out of them interacting with Raven as their Dad and the emotions that would trigger in them and the the growth and friction they would have interacting with him as daughters he never fathomed he qould have. Also their interactions with Noah as a step sibling
Anonymous No.149839837
>>149838851
The biggest issue with Sam, aside from that he sucks, is that he's getting in the way of Sarah/Pandora (Hope) which has more chemistry. Like Sarah and her relationship with Pandora is basically the catalyst for the last serious storyline this series has had. Nobody cares about Pooner McDouche.
Anonymous No.149839854 >>149840015
>>149838306
This comic dosen’t make any sense why dosen’t George, the largest nerd, not simply eat the other three?
Anonymous No.149839855
>>149836828
Feel free to beat it into the ground but all attempts at establishing bio-essential evidence for transness always fail and lead to pivoting back to psychological and emotional talking points.
Anonymous No.149839948
>>149838614
Well that card just seems unfair.
Anonymous No.149839996 >>149840004 >>149844450
>>149838739
The match every Blue player deserves.
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149840004
>>149839996
Agree
Anonymous No.149840013
>>149838883
The Dark Horse entry takes it!
Anonymous No.149840015 >>149840612 >>149840667
>>149839854
>a thousand years from now when Dan is long dead aliens will invade us and demand a conclusion to EGS
Anonymous No.149840053
>>149839835
Nah just accept that Diane becomes a terrible nervous wreck with a shitty hair cut. She goes from a bad bitch that has a catty personality to an awkward mouse.
Anonymous No.149840164 >>149840416
>>149839308
My theory on Edward not liking when Tedd turns himself female is that it's not really about gender at all but just the fact it makes him look just like his mom.
Anonymous No.149840330 >>149840429
This arc was fucking painful. I think all the gay lecturing (fatiguing as it was because it took so many goddamn strips) might have worked if it were targeted toward a member of the main cast, but focusing half of everything into Larry seems like a waste of panels.
At least Dan drew some interesting creatures for the not-MTG, but I'd rather listen to some schizo on /tg/ talk about that or hell even Dan talk about TG, but never Dan talk about /tg/.
Well at least the next storyline will be better I'm sure!
Anonymous No.149840416
>>149840164
It’s honestly very common for Dads not to be happy when their sons decide they’re girls. It happened to my uncle he ended up selling the house and moving out of state.
Anonymous No.149840429
>>149840330
Ha ha nope, if I remeber correct it’s vampire spiders in a mall.
Anonymous No.149840463 >>149841477 >>149841581 >>149841816 >>149844469 >>149844498 >>149844702 >>149844840
>>149839435
1) you dont go to hospital to get estrogen. Better gender affirming care in hospitals doesnt benefit "big estrogen"
2) the rate of transness is following the same curve gayness did. Theres no evidence of unusual growth
3) theres no evidence of corporate meddling beyond the vague and unsubstantiated assertion that they might make more money if they did.
You cant expect people to change diagnostic creteria based on "conspiracy until proven innocent"

>>149839455
>all the studies that get peer reviewed are actually just full of highschool level sampling biases
What?
>studies say this but i wont link them
Given how you already lied three times in a row you'll forgive me for dismissing those out of hand
>high desistance rates in the uk
A country with 2yr waiting lists that forces you to crossdress in public for a year BEFORE they give you pills? Gee i wonder why they have high desistance rates? Must be big pharma's fault or something
>some more bullshit about low sample sizes
You dont even know what an appropriate sample size is. It doesnt even matter though, because the one im referring to was high quality with thousands of participants

The stupidest thing is, you're asserting up to a 90% desistance rate. By your numbers for every one person on estrogen theres nine who quit. So why are trans communities so easy to find when detrans groups are non-existent? Theres /lgbt/ just down the hall and its one of the higher traffic boards. There should be 9 boards worth of detransitioners on here alone, but the most you'll find is one thread that doesnt even survive long enough to be a general

I genuinely dont understand why you'd lie so transparently. If you actually believed in something wouldnt you want to make the strongest argument possible? Why vomit out nonsense that collapses under the barest minimum of scrutiny?
Anonymous No.149840570
>>149839455
Exactly the kind of data I need to calibrate magic with natural aptitude. (Otherwise it just ends up permanent)
Anonymous No.149840612
>>149840015
Dan Shive will outlive us all. The story will not have progressed at all despite pretending it has.
Anonymous No.149840667 >>149840752
>>149840015
Fine I can run the intercept. Everyone has to take a vote whether we use science based time travel or magic to commune with whatever future comes
Anonymous No.149840752 >>149840915
>>149840667
Could you explain how does each one works in the most absurdly detailed way possible, at least 3 times, before we start arguing whats the best course of action?
Anonymous No.149840775
>>149838907
Do people don't hang out like friends in this world?
Anonymous No.149840915
>>149840752
>at least 3 times
Gosh well I can certainly try tho
Anonymous No.149840980
>>149838395
It honestly reminds me of the time we found out a kid in our class was color blind, but with much more vehement arguing as only elementary school students can.
Anonymous No.149841137 >>149841212 >>149844552
>>149839308
This is important, not because Mr Verres hates him (wahh you don't UNDERSTAND me!), but it's because there is someone in EGS who has a normal reaction. Everyone else is constantly feeding each other's "living in a fantasy bubble."
This might be the last time there is anyone like that in EGS.
Anonymous No.149841212
>>149841137
>This might be the last time there is anyone like that in EGS.
Calling people out on their stupid shit is basically Lucy's whole shtick.
Anonymous No.149841254 >>149841864
These threads made me read EGS again. I'm in 2019 and EGS is my favorite piece of flawed media. I can't hate it, I don't love it, but I like reading it. I don't personally agree with a lot of complaints people have here, I can see Dan's vision, it's just so FUCKING slow. I can also relate with Dan since I'm also the type to over explain, but despite the trans shit, I like every character.
Anonymous No.149841348
>>149839308
He accepts his son but that doesn't mean he has to like it.
Anonymous No.149841467
>>149839454
Thanks magister.
Anonymous No.149841477 >>149843137 >>149843137
>>149840463
>1) you dont go to hospital to get estrogen
Not my point and someone os still selling it.

>the rate of transness is following the same curve gayness did. Theres no evidence of unusual growth
Fucking delusional. Rapid onset gender dysphoria is a thing, you don't see numbers explode like this for anything else.

Look at the correlation between autism and gender dysphoria. People don't even debate that, troons have kinda accepted the fact that they're all most likely autistic.
Autism is still a mental illness and no one is saying that the trauma of being trans makes people autistic.
Considering there's already a proven correlation between one mental illness and transgender identities, and there is a considerably high rate of other mental illnesses within the Troon community, it seems logical to think that trans people are more likely to be mentally ill.
To blame the rate of craziness in the trans community as a side effect of dysphoria seems like a hand wavey attempt at trying to downplay the fact that most trans people are fucking lunatics

>theres no evidence of corporate meddling
How would that LOOK LIKE to you?
Anonymous No.149841507
>>149839815
Scifi is just magic with another name, but you don't get cool robots if you stick exclisively to magic.
Anonymous No.149841565
>>149839835
A man can dream...
Anonymous No.149841581 >>149843137
>>149840463
>What?
Most people who stop taking E simply stop, they don't keep going to clinics to answer questionnaires

>Given how you already lied three times
You have yet to prove one.

>A country with 2yr..
"BU-BUT..." I see you are already on the stage of bargain.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9516050/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5841333/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104518825288

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/

>So why are trans communities so easy to find when detrans groups are non-existent?
Because trannies like you are a cult.
Anonymous No.149841747 >>149842636 >>149844579
Actually, in the spirit of just talking to people...

I do have a kind of initiation which could theoretically work, if anon are open to it. Basically the idea I have to float is plain soft disclosure. You can imagine the writers/author of various webcomics which discuss heavy magic are actually partial bibliographies of things they experienced. The magic is easily thought of as picking people who are already successful or have attention to act as relays of a message. All anyone should need to do in this theory, is admit the possibility some of the concepts already written in the comic are drawn from real world success.

I don't actually believe this myself, someone else would have to perform an initiation for themselves and do some reading to uncover what is actually believable to them, we just have to stand back and try to trust or believe whatever they end up thinking. The rest of us become passengers in the journey of our initiate.
Anonymous No.149841816 >>149843137
>>149840463
>Theres /lgbt/ just down the hall and its one of the higher traffic boards. There should be 9 boards worth of detransitioners on here alone, but the most you'll find is one thread that doesnt even survive long enough to be a general
The "trans community" works in the same way as a fandom. Its basically a fandom.
Anonymous No.149841864 >>149844552
>>149841254
I do agree with a lot of the complaints people are bringing up, but I'm enjoying rereading it with the thread.
I definitely don't hate it, but I recognize that it's flawed.
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149842636 >>149847241
>>149841747
Anonymous No.149843137 >>149843548 >>149843895 >>149844572
Alright, ill reply one more time, but ive done this one before and already know the playbook. You didnt read the first study, you made up quotes from it, then when you got 19 citations disagreeing with you you just shift to the next goalpost and pretend nothing ever happened. You're just going to keep making multiple replies to me to maintain this appearance of reasoned opposition by lying through your teeth and throwing out as many insubstantial claims as possible since im the one who actually has to do the work to discredit them. As soon as one falls you'll just keep pivoting to more and more incoherent assertions because the only thing you're actually comitted to is keeping dissenting posts at the bottom of the thread

>>149841581
>None reports desistance
Clinical notes and perscriptions are done by digital system. A pharmacist can just pull up your scripts, you can easily pull that dataset to find disistors without contacting anyone directly. This whole argument is based on total ignorance of how medical systems and research works

>>149841477


>>149841477
>someone is selling something, therefore conspiracy
Autism
>autism
You know what else correlates? Lefthandedness and ADHD. does making someone write with their off-hand make them gay and retarded? Get some evidence
>the numbers
2% over a decade! The horror! Or what, did big estrogen pay off the census takers?

>>149841816
>it works like a cult or fandom or something, and whatever thing that implies justifies everything that doesnt make sense about my belief
Hey maybe actually create an argument instead of vaguely alluding to the idea of one that only exists inside your own head
Anonymous No.149843548 >>149844290
>>149843137
>Or what, did big estrogen pay off the census takers?
As a census taker, we take bribes in undocumented femboys.
Anonymous No.149843604 >>149845386
Anonymous No.149843895
>>149843137
>he thinks trannies grooming children is the same as the rest of the rainbow doing it, but he thinks that is good actually
You are right, the same principle that groom people into trannies also work for the rest.
Anonymous No.149844290
>>149843548
>destablize region
>abduct all the brown femboys
>use them to bribe agents
>repeat
Absolutely diabolical
Anonymous No.149844450
>>149839996
I always at least did Blue Red so I could hit you with the cancels and negates, then on my turn play incinerate to deal you damage for every mana I tapped.

It was fast, it was mean.
Anonymous No.149844469 >>149844962
>>149840463
> You cant expect people to change diagnostic creteria based on "conspiracy until proven innocent"
That was the argument you used to get it changed from institutionalization to ennoblement.
Anonymous No.149844498 >>149844702 >>149844962
>>149840463
>that forces you to crossdress in public for a year BEFORE they give you pills?
I did that just fine.

> So why are trans communities so easy to find when detrans groups are non-existent?
Because you dox them and accuse them of genocide for telling the truth.
Anonymous No.149844552 >>149847362 >>149849198
>>149841137
Ironically he was right. It was weird he was so into it, and then it turned into a fixation he couldn't live without.
>>149841864
Despite it's flaws it's still very good. The problem is Dan is horribly slow. This is all well and good and you can really enjoy it and see the vision, but (and it pains me to say this) once we get caught up you'll see. You'll check the page to see if it updates, and it will, though there will be slips, and eventually something cool will happen or someone or something will get introduced that you're curious to see how it's going to play out. Then he'll take a three week break, then we'll come back and have a two month card tournament, then a new arc will begin, then he'll take a three week break, something will get teased but it will end up just being a bunch of talking for a couple months, then he'll take a three week break. Soon, it will be a year since the thread ended. Eventually you'll get a little fed up of checking it regularly for what feels like only getting one new strip every week or so, then you'll take a break and decide to let him build up a backlog of updates for you to read again like that awesome time when you binged the whole thing. Then you'll forget about it for three years only to realize that you must have a BUNCH of new stuff to sink your teeth into. Then you'll find out Dan had some "life stuff" happening and he's only finished up that conversation you were in the middle of three years ago, but after ANOTHER three week break he'll be back with some more comic!

I still love it, though
Anonymous No.149844572 >>149844962
>>149843137
>Or what, did big estrogen pay off the census takers?
The census was an online quiz a bunch of trans people shared on various discord servers. It's not exactly super accurate.
Anonymous No.149844579 >>149847569
>>149841747
Alright I think I get what you're saying, but given the responses in this thread, the problem is 1) the potential pool of initiates is depressingly small and 2) the increasing amount of complaints are probably putting doubt in the already small amount of initiates and further reducing the amount of possible initiate candidates. Also, Dan making a bunch of characters complain about moral issues is causing the wires to cross (it seems like Dan is proselytizing boring ass social shit at the same time that he's trying to relay the divine insight) which is really fucking confusing and driving down the initiate pool even further. I can't be the one to do this because when Dan killed Damien, I began to think of Dan as an asshole (he's not really, but that opinion alone disqualifies me from true belief).
You could probably make an argument for Luciferian interference at this point, but I wouldn't because that sounds schizo as fuck. Also, that would imply that Dan is truly relaying something great and we're fucked because of all the god damn exposition and apologizing.
Anonymous No.149844702 >>149844962
>>149840463
2) the rate of transness is following the same curve gayness did. Theres no evidence of unusual growth
That's flat out a lie. The rate of people identifying as trans (especially younger demographics) has absolutely exploded exponentially in the past decade or two.

>all the studies that get peer reviewed are actually just full of highschool level sampling biases
>What?
Not that anon, but the claim is true. They consistently do things such as check for transition regret or detransition rate, but only sample from people who still identify as trans. It's the equivalent of checking to see if guns are deadly by only sampling people who've survived being shot.

>A country with 2yr waiting lists that forces you to crossdress in public for a year BEFORE they give you pills? Gee i wonder why they have high desistance rates? Must be big pharma's fault or something
If the embarrassment of crossdressing without access to pills is enough to get large numbers of people to stop identifying as trans, then it was never about some innate state of being trans, and was more about trying to convince other people to believe you are what you wish you were. Besides, contrary to what you might try to convince yourself of, those hormones aren't enough to make you convincingly pass as the opposite sex, so embarrassment over crossdressing is largely unaffected by meds. Also, most Western nations have virtually no gatekeeping of puberty blockers and hormones beyond a quick self-diagnosis over the phone, so don't give me this stuff about 2yr waiting lists as if that's remotely common.

>>149844498
>Because you dox them and accuse them of genocide for telling the truth.
This. The only people fanatics hate more than heathens are apostates. And you'll rarely find more ruthless fanatics than those in the trans community. There was even recently a publication demonstrating that currently in schools, kids who ID as trans are far more likely to bully other kids than vice versa.
Anonymous No.149844840 >>149844962
>>149840463
>3) theres no evidence of corporate meddling beyond the vague and unsubstantiated assertion that they might make more money if they did.
Yeah, they only did the same thing literally every single time it was possible for them to do that. At this point, if you don't assume that those kind of corporations are doing whatever they can to get as many people as possible hooked on as many drugs as possible that's on you.
>You cant expect people to change diagnostic creteria based on "conspiracy until proven innocent"
Do you really think that Big Pharma pushing things so that they can get more people hooked on drugs is a conspiracy? Christ anon, all they have to do is send pharmaceutical representative to doctors that say "studies have shown that disphoria is a lot more pervasive than what we thought. Here are a bunch of vague signs that if you see in a patient you should try to have him started on HRT. It's for his good". That's not a conspiracy, that's literally a thing that they have done multiple times in the past, with drugs a lot more dangerous and additive.
Anonymous No.149844856 >>149845799
>>149838395
I didn't realize until pretty late in my life that I have visual snow syndrome. Out of all the shitty contrivances in this arc, I feel that's not one of them.
Anonymous No.149844962 >>149845018 >>149845112
>>149844469
>>149844498
>>149844572
>>149844702
>>149844840
You really replied five times? Jeez, im just writing this all off as a mental breakdown. Saddest part is you're still on the larp
>i was on a waiting list for two years
>then lived as a woman for a year without hormones
>Then i was on horomones that cost $100 a year but i couldnt afford it and went broke
>and only after 3 years without hormones and presumably one with i was spontaneously cured
>so now im starting a family because im stable now and its cheaper
Come on now, this is just embarassing
Anonymous No.149845018 >>149845946
>>149844962
>You really replied five times?
Keep telling yourself that, Anon. The truth is, a lot more people than you realize can see through the garbage you're spouting.
Anonymous No.149845112
>>149844962
>You really replied five times
Dude. The saddest part is that you see me as an antagonists despite, again, never saying anything on the trans question and just pointing out how the actual situation is one where big pharma has clearly interest. I already said this but again, you realise that the belief that trans people exist, that they need to be treated and that it's good for them to be treated and the belief that literally every situation where someone get hooked on a drug for life you will have unscrupulous agents that will try to have as many people as possible in that situation are not exclusive?
Anonymous No.149845301
>>149839308
That boy ain't right.
Anonymous No.149845386 >>149845401 >>149845799
>>149843604
There are two people fighting over trans stuff for two days, a man speaking in tonges in the corner, amd everone else want to get off mr shive wild ride.
Anonymous No.149845401
>>149845386
Honestly, this thread is pretty fucking great.
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149845799 >>149845879
>>149845386
Give me like one piece of OC and this is everything I could have wanted

>>149844856
>I have visual snow syndrome
I'll bite, what's that?
Anonymous No.149845879 >>149845889 >>149845951
>>149845799
You know when on old TVs when patches of light in a dark scene have a weird kind of semi-static? Bro sees that but irl.
Anonymous No.149845889 >>149845951
>>149845879
Yeah it's basically like that, it's kinda like watching a grainy film but in real life. I usually don't really notice it until it's very dark.
Anonymous No.149845946 >>149845981
>>149845018
Did... did you accidentally erase the # from that one when you edited out all the other (you)s?
Magister !I46H95akI2 No.149845951
>>149845879
>>149845889
Neat
Guess I learned something new first thing in the morning
Anonymous No.149845957
>>149838493
>and i still have a shot with him
holy based
Anonymous No.149845981
>>149845946
NTA but please tell me you are joking
Anonymous No.149846066 >>149847773 >>149848128
>>149828584
I want to hear more about soul sight and the ascension of consciousness through webcomics...which is something I never thought I would type.
Anonymous No.149846256 >>149846800 >>149846896
Dear Annon's we are gathered here today to pay respects to Tedd Drew Verres, a decent character that has at last passed. Taken from us before his time, a long time suffer of flandaraztion he at last has succumbed to the disease of bad writing.

From a Pervert that turned into a girl because it got him off. To a gender fluid ass
From a standard tech genius, to magical super special wonder kid.
From having an girlfriend, to being little more then siblings with her.


Sad part is I could easily do this for all the characters.
Anonymous No.149846800
>>149846256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y2BxyOyH3Q&t=33s

I honestly didn't even realize they haven't had much romantic chemistry in a while, but yeah. RIP.
Anonymous No.149846896 >>149846928
>>149846256
Emperor Tedd can't come soon enough.
Anonymous No.149846928 >>149849198
>>149846896
its gonna be some bullshit arc about lord tedd's past and actually he was this sweet misunderstood boy that takes 50 months and they redeem him with the power of friendship within 2 pages. mark my fucking words. and then the fans will clap like seals.
Anonymous No.149847241
>>149842636
Context: I know magic does exist

Responding to you first since this only works if you keep these threads going. I can believe in all the metaphysics posted thus far, it just requires a step over the horizon of natural belief, and though including you can make sense, since you are the connection from "here" to "there" (4chan to comic source) we have to address concerns you might have if our collective intents is to keep it in the current state.

I don't expect you should have any theosophical concerns here. We already exist in a world where we all and this content already exist, you have not really taken any mystic efforts posting it
Anonymous No.149847362 >>149847550
>>149844552
I had forgotten how inconsistent pacing of webcomics can get. Trying to set up a donation structure while the rest of humanity works out how necessary UBI already is will take more work than I know how to do right now
Anonymous No.149847550 >>149848580
>>149847362
Old webcomic sites, lived of donations and give aways. Is amazing how every other comic but this one died, I guess people really like long winded explanations of magic systems and TCG.
Anonymous No.149847569
>>149844579
The two factors magic would look at here involve the proselytizing and the pool size of possible initiates. The attention aspect means magic would have to destroy /co/, since any fresh eyes are an asset for the experiment, and this could come from anywhere, which ends up implying magic trying to stop its own proliferation would have to take actions contrary to the habits we already see in wild lurkers. The idea of pressuring it, making the whole system impossible to stop without extreme interventions, is actually pretty damn attractive to me since I can easily imagine people being stopped from posting or talking about it, which means getting a real world believer in a situation where "change blindness" has an IRL limit.

My goal here is to isolate each potential deadlock. "in the spirit of just talking to people" does double duty, since people reading are either trans ("the universe made a mistake") and the explicit plot point in-canvas ('narrative') was to talk about magic with someone outside your friend group, or they have an implicit interest for magic (aptitude) and we win with straight attention. The idea either side would just vanish from the world (or even Internet) should naturally favor all the magicians going to another world in large summoning groups, which is an even stronger success than just straight letting gender swap magic exist.

Bleeding science for the physics aspect of the spells and /co/ for new attention or else further posturing of moral circumference, in real world terms, could also affect the pacing. Making it a pressing issue works for all involved, and furthers 'my body, my choice' on equally many levels.
Anonymous No.149847585
>moral circumstance***
Anonymous No.149847773
>>149846066
Authority is harmful, and has too often deviated from my plans, priority, and principles. Right now a lot of my work requires not much more than for me to simply communicate. I want magic fastly advancing in the world

Consciousness and imagination share at least one property in common, you grant me this, yes?
Anonymous No.149848128 >>149848379
>>149846066
After some expository morning affairs, I have come upon the conclusion such sight is not among the finite of talents. It would take years for me to teach this, and even after eternity we should expect soul evolution to continue.
Anonymous No.149848379 >>149848854
>>149848128
How is this the post of yours that makes the most sense?
Anonymous No.149848580 >>149848797
>>149847550
>in character narrative [off-screen/out-of-panel]
(Right! Here is where my experience at magical university means the most!)

Honestly I would do the work of balancing every RTS and role-playing game, even trying to branch my experience out into card games, and ultimately setting up a corporation for the hard business of inter-game balance mechanics if the world were really on target for implied prosperity and everything else necessary to get human life off this rock. Seeing other life succeed is fine, even when my own time on Earth were playing a supporting role, if it meant we had overcome death, physics, emergence, and plain old scarcity/little red hen argument. Playing from the sidelines and working to support others who are playing really come out as two very completely different things when one finally escapes the enamoration of chaos.
Anonymous No.149848797
>>149848580
Wait, how is balancing games leads to properity? Wouldn't have better balanced games lead more people wasting time playing instead of working?
Anonymous No.149848854
>>149848379
Oh. Lexically. Actually tone is really easy to manipulate and I can even fuck with people IRL using just voice acting.
Anonymous No.149849198 >>149849310
>>149844552
It gets worse when you notice that even without any problems Dan at most makes 12 pages a month. Which is a pathetic amount compared to regular comics. which are 25-30 pages a month. It fully possible to do more it just Dan does not put in the effort to be skilled enough to do it.
>>149846928
Yep Lord Tedd will ab a big fat nothing for sure. You can already see the defanging proccess in just his few appearances
Anonymous No.149849310 >>149849692
>>149849198
How many apperances does he has? I only rember the one time in the monitor screen.
Anonymous No.149849692
>>149849310
Three and that's all it took.Not that he was ever an actual threat.