Thread 149840415

This is the ideal Spidey design. You may not like it, but this is what peak menace looks like.

Sam Raimi because I’m a fat incel retard and I don’t have any taste and I’m too illiterate to read comics and also I’m gonna be a huge asshole about my opinion and treat it like it’s a fact because I’m an entitled narcissistic brat who thinks only what I grew up with was good and I have to say everything else sucks because it gives me a release of dopamine and makes me feel superior to all the other plebs despite being in my thirties and working in retail but also long as I defend a stupid jew who made dogshit movies that bastardized the characters, it’s all good!

>>149840415 (OP)
i liked the hench 80s cartoon peter.

>>149840533
raimifags… not like this…

>>149840415 (OP)
wrong

>>149840415 (OP)
I must admit anon, you are absolutely right. Nothing ever comes to this level. Close seconds? Absolutely, there are many. But the throne belongs to this one alone

>>149840584
Fair.

>>149840616
>favorite-spiderman-artist
can you at least give the artists name?
is it bisley or something ?

>>149840633
>>149840616
Gabriel Dellloto
>>149840415 (OP)
Joe Kusko

>>149840415 (OP)
For me Mark Bagley's is definitely the default Spidey design in my mind - it was the one they used in all the toys and video games back in the day.

>>149840663
>Gabriel Dellloto
TY x

>>149840666
I tend to prefer to smaller eyes and bright blue but 90's Bagley is god.

I prefer the blue parts of the suit to be as dark as possible, while the red parts are nice and bright to maximize the contrast between the two colors as much as possible.

>>149840865
Either bright blue or full on black for me, dark blue was kinda ruined for me for a time because of TASM 2

>>149840533
I always hated the raised webs.

>>149840415 (OP)
Anything that isn't drawn by Romita Sr. isn't canon as far as I'm concerned.

>>149840533
Luv muh raised webbing
Luv muh reflective triangular lenses
Luv muh organic webs
Luv muh suit getting actual battle damage
Luv muh Raimi
Cope

>>149840884
Black instead of blue is great too, but I've made peace with the understanding that it will never become Spider-Man's standard look ever again.

>>149840944
What about Ditko?

>>149840957
hey holland had that one suit, and then it got ruined with an iron golden spider

>>149840988
And now he's back to red and blue, returning to the status quo.

>>149840996
It's the closest we'll ever get to this >>149840944
So I'll take it

>>149840415 (OP)
Sam Raimi

>>149841226
he looks nothing like spiderman

Ditko
Romita
Romita Part 2
McFarlane
Bagley
Rivera
All pretty great

>>149841249
May I sneak in Scott Johnson, Bengus and Checchetto?

>>149841245
Looks better than the comic.

>>149841648
>>149841625
>>149841594
any marvel comic drawn by bermejo? His art may well be the second most beautiful I've ever seen, but I don't remember ever reading a comic that has it.

>>149841681
Only covers seems like.
On the other hand, what would Azzarello do with Spidey?

>>149840533
fpbp

>>149841625
>>149841648
angels and devils n shiet

>>149841672
This

>>149841672
youre an idiot.

>>149840884
curious why dark blue was ruined for you, because imo TASM 2 is the best live action suit

>>149840415 (OP)
6 ft, swimmers build, but with more muscle
dark brown hair with a widow's peak, light brown, almost amber eyes

>>149841672
616 Petercucks seething in 3…2…1…

>>149840415 (OP)
I love USM so I have a bias towards Bagley’s design
>>149841583
Checchetto’s art on the new USM is goddamn great, it’s just a shame we barely see Spidey himself in the book

>>149841761
>curious why dark blue was ruined for you, because imo TASM 2
is the shittiest Spider-Man movie only beaten by FFH
>is the best live action suit
Spider-logo too big, red very muted

>>149840415 (OP)
not enough bulge

>>149841797
USM 2024's Spider logo became my favorite instantly

90s Sal Buscema had it all figured out

>>149841841
NO MERCY!

>>149841806
>>149841806
the movie never ruins the suit for me unless tbe suits ruin themselves like with NWH. I hated FFH too but I loved the final suit, well except the pure white back emblem maybe.
and about the TASM 2 suit, eh yeah those two points are valid and could do with improvement but personally they sound a little too nitpicky

>>149841815
isn’t it the default 616 spider design?

>>149841841
>>149841858
read that in the Christopher Daniel Barnes voice

>>149841766
6'5 legend Tim Robbins (when he was young) is what I imagine Ditko Peter to look like, but once we get to Romita Sr. Peter becomes too much a fucking chad, a greek sculpture I can't possibly imagine as a real person.

>>149840415 (OP)
The Ditko costume. You guys will prorably call me a contrarian or a puritan, but I don't like when the spider in his chest is symmetrical, the armpit webs are cool, and those are my favorite eyes

>>149841906
It's a bit different. Love how if you make it bigger and extend the legs you can still use it for the black suit.
Sadly, Ultimate's black suit has webbing and both legs and eyes get fucked up

If I'm gonna read Spiderman, where do I start? I don't read comics but I want to know the true and original origins of one of my favorite fictional characters.

>>149842088
From the very beginning, unironically. Amazing Fantasy #15 then ASM #1 (1962) until you can't take it anymore.

>>149842126
How bad can it be?

>>149842155
At some point you will be reading three series at the same time. If you somehow survive all the way up and through the 90s, everything 616 post-2007 is just slop.

>>149842088
The first run. Amazing Fantasy #15 and then start with Amazing Spider-Man #1. I think that #150 is a good stopping point.

>>149842155
Oh really bad. But as the other anon said, it's until the 90s

>>149840533
i agree

>>149842244
>I think that #150 is a good stopping point.
For me it's Child Within

>>149842202
>>149842244
All I am aware of is that they ruined his relationship with Mary Jane and that in and of itself means I'll never read the modern line. Alright, I'll read from 1 to 150. Was Spiderman meant to be his own thing, or was it a one off that got popular?

>>149842061
>spoiler
I actually particularly like that because it easily sets itself apart even from other similar designs. my only bother with the new USM suit is how it looks almost indistinguishable from regular 616, and while it may be intentional it does lose a bit of identity there unlike the old USM and its iconic Bagley designs. Benom however is quite recognisable

>>149842268
Well yeah that anon wouldn't read many great stories, but I'm supposing that he wouldn't like to read that much.

>>149841722
>"swinging in the nigh... oh boobies!"

I really like anything thats mimicking Ditko and Romita Sr. I fucking despise Romita Jrs style its so fucking lame. I like japanese Spiderman and his weird movements, I love AsM2 costume, by extension I like the big eyes on Mcfarlane spiderman, my ideal would be a expressiveness that swaps between big mcfarlane eyes and Romita Sr eyes. Arm pit webbing is really cool too.

>>149841858
TWO WEEKS???

>>149842717
>my ideal would be a expressiveness that swaps between big mcfarlane eyes and Romita Sr eyes. Arm pit webbing is really cool too.
This. Also white eyes that can also be reflective lenses at the same time when needed for a panel/shot. Fuck the logic.

>>149842830
Word, but theyre just gonna keep Romita Jr on until he dies, so....

>>149842931
Lots of people gotta die for Spider-Man to be good again

>>149841625
wow I love this one

Step aside

He should have web wings.

>>149840415 (OP)
Eye outline too thick.

Y'know the Spiderman from Spiderman Unlimited? I liked that guy.
https://youtu.be/s_85l8sBlPk?feature=shared

>>149843221
Best Peter look

Would Spider-Man be irritated if another spider themed superhero showed up in New York?

>>149843221
we need rino back

>>149841245
but he has aura

>>149843221
the show's regular look or the classic one in this intro? because while both are great, I particularly always loved how the classic one had yellow lenses

he should be freaky and zesty and thick and breedable

No stupid white lines

>>149844100
Johnny we know it's you come on

>>149840415 (OP)
Like this

>>149840944
That's how I feel about Ditko.

>>149842244
>I think that #150 is a good stopping point.
That's so early, you're not even getting any of Stern or DeFalco's runs if you stop then

>>149842088
https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=61&order_listing=1&list_type=1&limit=30

Start with Amazing Fantasy #15 then read the Ditko run (ASM # 1-38) feel free to read the guest appearances in other books if you want, too. After that, the original creator of Spider-Man tragically departs the story forever leaving us all to wonder what could have been.

If you want to keep going after that point feel free to, it should stay pretty decent up until ASM # 314.

>>149842268
Why would you stop at the first storyline of that run instead of reading the whole thing?

>>149842289
One off that got popular. Really, the most popular one off they ever had. And for good reason. I've still got to find a way to put it into words, but you'll see the Ditko era has what could possibly be the greatest comic book formula ever created. The way he seamlessly sets up Pete's cast to constantly bounce the plot back and forth and continuously forward while making them all colorful characters that themselves advance the plot and introduce drama in every scene is spectacular, amazing, and unrepeated to this day.

>>149842088
Like many have said start at the start and read until you want to stop, but at the very least make it to Roger Stern's run and read that.
Personally I'd say go until you hit the Byrne era but I'm also a massive Clone Saga apologist

>>149842830
For me, it's the black lining around the eyes. Everyone ignores that part, but Ditko has this subtle flamboyant cat eye thing going on I think only the 60's cartoon managed to replicate. It gives him a lot of character and personality without being overstated.

>>149840533
Can confirm I look like the guy described in the post and say this.

>>149840415 (OP)
>this is what peak menace

>>149844725
ai slop

>>149840415 (OP)
Like this

For me it's the insomniac suit.

>>149840633
I thought it was Bisley or Fabry at first.

>>149845263
For me I think you should kill yourself.

>>149845263
God the bulging lenses on the Insomniac suits make me want to barf

>>149840533
Is this an advertisement? I am asking because I don't see Peter Parker in pic related. Only Bully Maguire.

>>149844673
Harry dying is a good finale

>>149840415 (OP)
Like a teen kid, 20 tops. Adult Spider-Man is off putting.

>>149845263
Overdesigned slop.

>>149845479
They're soo generic

For those asking where to start:

>Amazing Fantasy #15
Origin and first appearance.
>Amazing Spider-Man 1~ max 350 (ideally stop when Stern leaves)
Ditko to Stern and then some extra reading as the quality tapers off. Still very much a good time until Carnage, Peter's parents, and a bunch of other 90's garbage shows up.

If you're looking for supplemental reading do not read Amazing any further, instead read:

>Spectacular Spider-Man: 1~200
Secondary title that focuses on Peter's cast of characters as well as lower stakes adventures.
>Marvel Team-Up: 1~150
Very light fare exploring Spidey's relationship with the greater Marvel Universe. Short, self-contained episodic adventures.
>Web of Spider-Man: 1~100
Tertiary title that has some hidden gems but mostly inoffensive fluff.

>>149847084
pretty good sum up anon.

Definitive Spider-Man to me.

>>149840840
Andru is absurdly underrated. He's up there with Romita Sr. as the very best.

>>149844690
>Ditko era has what could possibly be the greatest comic book formula ever created.
It's crazy how he managed to make a conventional superhero story that wasn't pretentious. He used ASM to tell everyone how he thought a hero should be. And for doing that, you also had to show the kind of things Peter had to deal with in his personal life. Peter trying to maintain his morality while also under the pressure of those troubles are a big lesson. And he wasn't perfect from the get go. This is the kind of thing that you could only expect from an objectivist because of how much they value justice and how idealistic they are about it. You see explicit examples of objectivist ideas in If this be my destiny, but also in other stories like Otto's first appearance. Furthermore, it's obvious that Ditko contributed to Amazing Fantasy 15's plot. He believed that if you could fight for justice then you were obliged to do it. Peter learns that.
>And a lean, silent figure slowly fades in the gathering darkness, aware at last that in this world, with great power there must also come -- great responsibility!
The Ditko run transcends the superhero genre, it's something else

>>149848073
Ditko was a nutter. His ASM run was fine but the character grew and matured immensely after that stunted man-child left the title... until a different stunted man-child in the early 2000's decided that Peter Parker should never have grown beyond the early 1980's

>>149845263
That's the worst suit I've ever seen.

>>149840533
Sounds like a seething Iron Boy fan, sorry your CGI suit is ass.

>>149845263
Yeah, the white elements still look retarded to me even after all these years. Shame, really, could’ve just painted them black and voila, you’ve got a decent modern take on a classic Spidey suit.

>>149845263
I fucking hate this shit and the devs think theyre probably so clever applying their lib arts degree to make this shit.

Yellow lenses chads, where you at?

>>149845263
Should've at least posted the 2.0

>>149840840
>>149847994
This is just a significantly worse Romita Sr.

>>149845263
2.0 better but it's funny seeing all the seething about this suit just because they want to hate on it

>>149840533
This reads like you were crying while writing this

>>149840533
this reads like you were incredibly based while writing this

>>149849942
I mean it's actually red as opposed to BasketBall-Man over there. I would go as far as to say the 2.0 red and black variant is actually good.

>>149851083
my only issue with 2.0 is the complete lack of red on the bottom half, 1.0 despite being orange still had bits here and there, the second suit has none of that. but hey, glad it's at least red this time

>>149851111
Yeah it could use some boots, but 1.0's patches on the thighs I hate more

He should be replaced by him

>>149840533
Someone said Raimifags are becoming the Snydertards of marvel and that just seems on point

>>149849942
Contrarianism? Hating the Raimi costume is contrarianism. Well sometimes it's justified because certain moviefags are annoying. But the Insomniac costume looks bad. Whenever they try to give to the classic costume a modern look, it always ends up being overdesigned and forgettable. And it happened again in Rivals

>>149840415 (OP)
as long as the eyes are big

Tim Sale

>>149849331
My nigga. I'm normally not a fan of underarm webs, but here they look fucking fly.

>>149840415 (OP)
Romita's design, but instead of having light blue, it would be black with blue highlights.
i also want the armpit webs back.

>>149840415 (OP)
works for me

>>149851272
Do NOT wish that shit upon Kaine. Making him into the main Spider-Man would cause Editorial to fuck him completely just like they did to Ben AND Peter. Let Kaine live his life in peace.

>>149851497
>widely popular suit that's lauded for being a small enough spin that it's immediately recognizable
>only big flaw is immediately rectified in the updated version
yeah I'd say hating on it because "it's not good I dislike it" counts as contrarianism especially knowing this board's reputation

>>149840533
feeppee beeppee
>>149851396
Snyder was screwed over by the studio while having to bury his child, so that's the one example when obnoxiousness is justified somewhat.

>>149853375
>widely popular
So? That's the worst argument you can use here. At least I don't care about popularity. I wouldn't instantly hate something because it is popular, I simply don't care. It's a bad suit, and I already explained why. In fact, you're the one who isn't giving a valid argument
>it's popular
>they fixed it (lol what exactly)
>you guys hate everything
Right, now I understand why it's a good suit

>>149845263
>>149848968
That's just a shittier version of Ben's suit

>>149853755
>so that's the one example when obnoxiousness is justified somewhat.
Yeah, before they released his cut, by this point? not at all, Snyder himself has moved on, so should the indians too.

>>149840533(you)
I don't recall posting in this thread?

>>149851497
>forgettable
The one argument in favor of the Advanced Suit is that they totally own it, easily recognizable as "Insomniac Spider-Man" the same way you would hear "Arkham Batman"
The one dude who went suited up to the showing of NWH I was in was wearing that one, so it is iconic, regardless of what we think.

If he doesn't have hair fangs he ain't no Peter Parker, only Ditko widows peak and Ultimate's 2000s fuck ass bangs may compete.

>>149851396
100% the truth

>>149854327
Ben's suit has slowly grown on me over the years.

I don't know why, but the Edge of Time suit always looked stellar to me. It isn't just the cloth fabric, it's the inconsistent stitching with the web pattern. It looks more homemade than basically every other costume.

>>149840415 (OP)
Correction: THIS is what peak menace looks like.

>>149840415 (OP)
Can we be Spiderman instead?

>>149859736
No Dan

Peter should give up on women already and just fuck Johnny and Eddie, maybe even Matt.

>>149842088
Read web of Spider-Man

>>149849331
I like how spectacular had a very light yellow on the lenses

>>149840415 (OP)
Personally my default is the animated series appearance, but that's just nostalgia.

>>149840415 (OP)
>This is where my Uncle was killed by a wh- Italian, anon.

>>149860150
kek

JRJR during his peak, unquestionably.
He doesn't portray Spider-Man with the same athleticism as Todd or Bagley do, but he was great at drawing dimensions and depth, I think of his as being the most immersive for the character. I'd take those setpieces over realistic shading or overly articulated spaghetti webs
His only major flaw is the sameface syndrome

>>149856738
surprised you didn't mention McFarlane Spidey along with those two, his webbing is inconsistent and more reminiscent of homemade stitches too

This is the Amazing Spider-Man 2 costume. I like everything except the weird symbol with trailing legs.

>>149848544
Could be a Spiderversetard. They tend to throw bitchfits when you imply their movie was mediocre at best, celebration of all cancer killing Spider-Man at worst.

>>149840415 (OP)
As long as there are armpit webs I'm happy

>>149860513
that looks wrong, it's definitely not any official still or promo image of the actual suit that's for sure
>>149860466
I genuinely mourn the demise of JRJR's art during his peak. nowadays on /co/ he's only ever discussed unfavourably and it's not hard to see why, he's gotten shit over the years and the sameface syndrome is particular noticeable but during the early 2000s his Spidey illustrations were lovely and really reminiscent of the era for me. it sucks that his prolonged career along with his downfall in quality means most people only ever associate him with mediocre to dogshit art, and not what it used to be.

>>149860555
I think it didn't help that no matter how good his work could've been, his comeback was tethered to possibly one of the worst relaunch the main book has produced since the late 2000s, I still think he's a great artist and some of his covers are really nice, but it certainly lacks the same edge as his clone saga and vol 2 works

>>149854327
>>149856738
I really like the Ben/Mayday suit, looks great but I wish the mask was a little different. If you're looking at just the mask, how are you suppose to know it's mayday or ben?

>>149857089
sorry, meant to post this

>>149860832
>how are you suppose to know it's mayday or ben
I don't think you can, she straight up just reused Ben's suit but I don't dislike the idea of small alterations like that. in my mind this suit is now firmly iconic as Mayday's look and not Ben, which is good because I think his Scarlet Spider outfit is far more iconic for him anyway

>>149860935
no, I meant if ben or mayday were wearing the suit (though you're right, it's basically MD's suit now) how do you know it's her and not peter, since it's basically the same mask? A change in the webpattern might help I think

>>149860971
if you're only looking at the mask then other than face shape it's indistinguishable. but Mayday does have prominent tits

>>149861070
It's her best feature

>>149861137
I'd argue it's her ass but we can meet at common ground and say both

>>149845555
At this point, I feel like it would be a lot healthier for them both if they just cut off all ties. All they ever do is hurt each other constantly these days. They do literally nothing but bring each other pain.

>>149851396
They kinda were like this before NWH but after the movie they stopped being so obnoxious

>>149861684
meh, that's exactly what editorial wants: to break the fans' spirit and trust in Peter/MJ being perfect for each other. Quesada and Lowe have been trying this for 20 years now and you're falling into the trap after persisting for so long

>>149840415 (OP)
USM Bagley and I do not care if you hate Bendis, USM was fucking wonderful and I loved the characters there and I love how big the lenses are

>>149840415 (OP)
perfection

>>149847909
This. Spiderman animated had some of the best decisions

>>149847909
>>149862923
CDB will always be the voice of Spider-Man to me

>>149845263
AI before AI.
>symbiote spider applied on top of classic
>longer legs because it looked up TASM's photos
>random cuts on the red
>non-sense detail all over that don't lead to or highlight anything
>random white blotches because black suit shooters

>>149860935
>If you're looking at just the mask, how are you suppose to know it's mayday or ben?
Good artists draw Mayday with a smaller and more feminine head and lenses.

As for the other differences, Mayday's spider has thinner legs and the upper ones wrap on the sides rather than over the shoulders. The cut of the red section on the abdomen is more V shaped while Ben's has wider angles.

>>149860935
>I don't think you can, she straight up just reused Ben's suit but I don't dislike the idea of small alterations like that.
Well, in-universe she burned the suit very early on and sewed another, for all we know it already had been altered.