Thread 149857779

We used to have yuri threads all the time but now people get angry when they see lesbian characters in /co/. Is it lesbian fatigue? Something else?

We never liked them in the first place.

>>149857779 (OP)
>Is it lesbian fatigue?
No such thing

Lesbians were always nasty and only liked by troons.

>>149857779 (OP)
People started to notice that it's always lesbos and never fags

>>149857779 (OP)
A couple of threads fapping to dykes doesn’t mean /co/ liked yuri. Only /a/ loves yuri

>>149857820
Its because the male demographic is more averse to male on male affection than female to female, making anything gay inherently niche

Its a mercenary decision to focus on lesbian couples for anything aimed at wide audiences solely because it will attract the least controversy

>>149857803
Go to bed, Dana.

>>149857878
>Its a mercenary decision to focus on lesbian couples for anything aimed at wide audiences solely because it will attract the least controversy
Not exactly. Blue haired dykes the very prevalent in the industry and they push to see themselves represented on screen. Blue haired dykes also hate men, and find feminine men downright revolting.
Lesbian spam in /co/ is just an extension of the wider radical feminist agenda.

>>149857820
There is a reason for that

>>149857779 (OP)
yuri is only good when it is non-canon. hollywood can't write good lesbians to save their life.

>>149857779 (OP)
When they started to deny male characters their love interests by turning those girls into lesbians out of nowhere.

>>149857910
>Not exactly.
That is pretty much it
The market restricts what they can show, so thet are forced to play it safe
Lesbians are the least threatening to the male audience, so they get shown more
Gay couples are also held to a much higher standard, depicting them as anything other than a perfect model couple causes outrage (primarily from straight men) while ironically also making them boring
So why even bother when you can just write a lesbian couple with the same degree of complexity as a straight one

>>149857779 (OP)
> Is it lesbian fatigue
maybe

>>149857939
Guess this was meant rhetorically.

>>149857779 (OP)
Let's say you're into fatties. You have plenty of fond memories of beating it to crappy edits and poorly drawn stuff from the 00's. Then, in the 10's, fat women start showing up in this show and that show, and as more than joke characters. You don't have to scrounge for pics of a skinny girl fattened up, you don't have to keep rewatching the same one-off weight gain episodes. Throw a dart in any direction and chances are you'll find a series with a fat woman character. It should be great for you, right?
Except every single one of them is unappealing. Annoying, with a bad haircut and a personality that you can't stand and a plot that makes a big deal out of her being fat. Eventually, you see a show has a fat girl, taste something sour in your mouth, and go back to look for pics of skinny girls but fat.
Swap fat with gay and you've got a pretty good approximation.

>>149857779 (OP)
No one actually likes gays. Don't matter if its dykes. Humanity has always resented gay trash. And the thing with dykes is they are generally fake. As such society sees a woman claiming to be a dyke as intentionally worthless as she will not birth a new tax payer. Hence hating them.

That and at the social level no man wants to waste time on a woman who hates him for existing. Dykes are shit.

As far as cartoons and comics go, dykes are used as Safe Gay Agenda and its become repetitive and annoying bullshit. Nowadays even dumb normies understand this tactic and resent it especially in media aimed at kids.

>>149857820
Everyone hates gay shit. Lesbians were tolerated because pussy. Once the novelty wears off you start to hate the presence of said dyke trash. Lesbians are like a "disease" that society builds a tolerance for. Eventually they are hated as much as male gays.

>>149857779 (OP)
When their whole gimmick became hating men, that was the moment I turned on lesbians in western media.

>>149857956
>When they started to deny male characters their love interests
I've lost count of how many times this happened time in just the last five years.

>>149858305
>When their whole gimmick became hating men
When the hell did that happen?
A vast majority of lesbian couples just ignore men unless its to show incompatible orientation

>>149857779 (OP)
Lesbians mostly have the same personality of obnoxious spite towards men in real life, so that dispels porn fantasies.

>>149857956
For some time now we only get straight romances if its race mixing theme shit like Disney's Elemental. That aside most dynamics between men and women is that the male and female characters inexplicably are castrated best friends. Basically like Judy and Nick from Zootopia which for fiction is unrealistic shit. Men and women do NOT become friends. That's never been the way nature intended.

Only Shitty Jews and cunts would argue otherwise.

>>149858343
>if its race mixing theme shit like Disney's Elemental
Even straight race-mixing is no longer allowed. Most /co/ lesbo couples are interracial.

I think it's more yurifag fatigue more than anything.
Yurifags are kind of annoying and a few of 4chan's most autistic and prolific schizos are major yurifags.
Also, let's be honest, most western guys into yuri are absolutely feminists, which is just painting a target on your back as far as other men are concerned these days.

>>149858336
Where you have been? As far as western media goes dykes are all about hating men.

But lets be realistic, western cartoons even when straight are all about hating men. Remember the Disney movie Tangled? It's straight but Eugene has got to be one of the most abused male characters I've ever seen. Every idea of his ends in failure, every violent slapstick happens only to him, and he is so incompetent and lame its Eugene who gets stabbed to death and killed off. The only reason he survives being killed off is because the writing is shit and they use a magical McGuffing to revive him. But holy fuck that movie is unpleasant to watch as a male viewer. Not even Kristoff from Frozen is tormented to the point of bloodily being killed off with a knife.

And you have to remember this is nothing new. Shitting on men has been a huge thing in western cartoons for many generations now, look at Flinstones Fred is scared of his wife who is tougher than him. The lesbian angle is more recent but western media has always been about insulting and shitting on men. Hate how many dudes don't notice any of this and keep consuming.

>>149858364
I would argue straight race mixing is still more common, look at the recent movie Bad Guys 2 and other examples like My Adventures With Superman it's all straight race mixing shit. That seems to be the more recent trend, hetero is allowed but it has to be different races or species.

Largely stopped watching entertainment because of this shit. And I curse the Jews funding this filth.

>>149857779 (OP)
/Co/ is still angry that Harley Quinn will never fuck them.

>>149858493
Lower Decks had an interracial main couple and that still got dropped in favor of interracial Korra-style surprise lesbians.

>>149858450
>flynn rider is now an example of hating men
Meds now

>>149858336
Adventure Time is literally a cuckfest of "haha let's humiliate the only white cis man in the world", just to mention an example.

>>149857820
>Why no more fags on cartoons and comics? It's always lesbians
>Superman's son come out as gay
>BUT NOT LIKE THAT!!!

>>149857999
>So why even bother when you can just write a lesbian couple with the same degree of complexity as a straight one

What complexity? It's always the same trash...

Look at them they're dykes!
They're dyking!
They're dykes!
Dykes! Dykes! Dykes!

That's all these writers do. And when the best example of a dyke relationship is Owl House wow is that bad. All I saw was Amity losing her brain cells to become a shitty Yes Man to her dyke obsession making her a dumber character overall because she became one note.

>>149858569
>>Superman's son come out as gay
Anon, even that was like half a decade ago.

>>149858447
Most western guys into yuri are literal trannies

>>149858573
I love seeing Tumblr yurishitters bending over backwards to project some kind of depth onto /co/ lesbo couples. Whenever it happens they think it's the most profound thing ever.

>>149858531
His real name is not Flynn its Eugene. Fuck you for being disingenuous like that. And nothing I said is incorrect. What boy is going to look at Eugene from Tangled being tortured and say:

"I want to be that LOSER who everything bad happens to him!"

You are shit for enjoying shitty anti male films like Tangled. And I genuinely wish horrific diseases that are painful on all these shitty subhumans making this trash quality media.

>>149858586
Yeah but it still cause rage every time it's mentioned from the same people saying gays should be more represented on comics and cartoons

>>149858573
>Look at them they're dykes!
The example you used literally does not do that

>>149858493
>My Adventures With Superman

I dare to say that at least here they aren't annoying with the "black bull" fetish trope that the tribe wants to push, instead Jimmy is more or less faithful to the character aside of the race swap unlike the one in the CW Supergirl show.

>>149858608
Does it?
I don't think the cartoon and comics fandoms are big enough for that to be the case these days.
There's a reason the only stuff that gets discussed these days is the indie shipper shows and maybe Invincible, everyone else who was into cartoons and wasn't a shipper or a capefag kind of gave up on these industries awhile ago.

Yuri stopped appealing to straight guys and instead explicitly tried to be unappealing to straight guys, like everything else in /co/.

>>149858590
And the funny thing is with the way that dykes are presented in actual media it looks like one of those sequences where the characters had a fling and then resent it so they quickly break up because its done so randomly in the first place the overwhelming majority of the time.

Again if Owl House is the best most substantial example of a homosexual relationship then that's garbage because all it did was lobotomize Amity's brain. She was incapable of not obsessing about being a dyke. She only existed to dyke around with Luz after her "character development" into a lesbian.

>>149858624
Girls don't like black males on shipping anyway. That's why the few Jimmy/Kara fans are all guys with a dom fetish or a blacked fetish

>>149858736
how well was that pairing written?

>>149858620
The dance sequence was the "They're dykes!" moment. The choreography screamed "Look at how hard we are trying to do a romantic dyke wooing! Wow it's so magical they are lesbians you see and because this is Disney this dance is more romantic than Belle and the Beast from Beauty & the Beast.

You know that dance was so exaggerated and trying to really push its point of dyke romance.

>>149857779 (OP)
NGL, I'm more bothered being lesbians in /co/ shows from the 2010's to the present being a "safe," overused trope. It's as overused and cliched as beanmouth art style and Alegria/Corporate Memphis graphic design style. I'm not hating on lesbians. I just hate the way the west has handled them since the 2010's, usually in a cheap, lazy "look how stunning and brave we are, twitter" vibe that got very exhausting after a while.

In some (or most) cases, the lesbian reveal either pops up outta nowhere (TOH), gets crammed in at the last minute before a show ends (SVTFOE, TG&MM), or is a cheap "blink and you'll miss it" moment that feels superficial (Lightyear). And at times it's just there for the sake of it or some pointless quota.

Plus, social media made /co/ lesbian reveals worse. Last time I checked, Sailor Moon showrunners and staff weren't making a gazillion tweets bragging about Sailor Neptune and Uranus' relationship during the 90's. Both were given some character development and that reveal was nowhere near as last minute as Jackie and Andrea's.

>>149858736
Girls also don't like black females either. I remember how many women hated the race swapped black bitch from Invincible.

And most girls reject buying Tiana merchandise from Princess and the Frog.

>>149858785
*more bothered by lesbians in 2010's /co/ shows being a "safe," overused trope

>>149858787
Did black girls do that too? And I mean actually do, not their parents made them.

>>149858787
They can tolerate black chicks is the guy is extremely dreamy. I didn't say they like black chicks, I say they can tolerate them. Also Amber happened to be ugly in the inside and the outside. About Tiana, Disney was obviously too scared of le first black princess and fuck up in many places

>>149858849
>fuck up in many places
How?

>>149857779 (OP)
Most yuri ships are just boring. It's not "hey here's an interesting relationship between two female characters" it's "OWO CUTE GIRLS KISS".
Harley x Ivy is a good example of this. That relationship only works if it's more two violent criminals hiding out together out of nesisity or two individual who are slowly becoming more heroic over time, uwu lesbian shit in fact does not fit these characters vibe at fucking all.

>>149858573
That's my biggest gripe I have with /co/ lesbian couples in general. Modern western writers are so hellbent on wanting lesbians as if its some arbitrary arms races. But nine times out of ten, said lesbian couples are written in safe, boring ways because the writers are too chickenshit because they're afraid of getting "cancelled" on twitter for writing lesbians in an "problematic" light.

If you wanna use lesbians, then stop being milquetoast and actually write them in a compelling way. Have them argue from time to time in a realistic manner. Make them have flawed characters just like other fictional characters and real people. Don't be afraid to see them in an unfavorable light on occasion. Find some clever ways to ACTUALLY make your lesbian couples INTERESTING beside the whole "look, lesbians" angle. Otherwise, you're as phony as companies that switch to a "pride" logo on June 1st.

>>149859129
That's a problem bigger than lesbians. It's a general problem with writing any character who isn't a straight male. I think it's the heritage of puritans. Americans are obsessed with witch hunts and purity

>>149857779 (OP)
The problem is less girls kissing girls than the annoying fans of girls kissing girls. Essentially, yuri is the new furry.

>>149859129
Funny enough, something off-topic from /v/ kinda did what I mentioned. In the lore for Destiny and Destiny 2 (especially post-Lightfall and during the Echoes episode last year), Maya Sundaresh and Chioma Esi were mentioned as a married, lesbian couple many, MANY times to a point where Bungie practically bludgeoned players over the head with that marriage (we got it the first time, already).

Despite the clumsy way Bungie handled Maya and Chioma's relationship, that didn't stop them from having Maya undergo a sadistic personality change that not only made Chioma questioned her motives and sanity, but also led Maya to becoming a villain named The Conductor willing to destroy everything to achieve her goals. Coincidentally, some copy of Maya named Lakshmi-2 (a Future War Cult faction rep) led a radicalized attack before her downfall.

A somewhat similar thing was done with Eramis in Destiny 2' Beyond Light expansion. Eramis used her newfound powers of Darkness (in the fom of Ice-based powers called Stasis) to not only endanger her Eliksni race, but the entire system as well.

Not quite the best examples of interesting lesbian couples what I brought up earlier, but it's better than the standard safe /co/ lesbian couple trope.

>>149857956
This. Having only seen the first season of Adventure Time and reading about what happened in later seasons, the need for Muto and others to make Marceline and Bubblegum Princess a lesbian couple felt random and never made any sense to me. It kinda felt like writers wanted their own Sailor Neptune/Uranus or Korra/Asami pairing for notoriety.

As for Jackie from SVTFOE, I never watched the show but from what I read her lesbian reveal was even more pointless other than freeing up a Star/Marco pairing to wrap up the series. Even then, writers could have easily written Jackie off the show or pair her with some random dude in the last minute. Of course, writers chose the last minute lesbian reveal for notoriety as well.

Then, there's Andrea from TG&MM. Never watched that show, either, but from what I read her lesbian reveal was just some random photo from the future towards the end of the show, which is utter bullshit. Writers just wanted their "look, lesbians" moments for a show that only lasted two seasons. If these are the best modern writers can come up with for "lesbian representation," then they're better off without any representation at all.

>>149859854
And even the Korra/Asami pairing seemed out-of-the-blue and in the last minute. Funny enough, the fourth season of LOK was released online instead of broadcast on Nick like the three prior seasons. It kinda felt like a preemptive move in case Nick caught heat over that lesbian reveal during the finale.