Thread 149864892

Dating an underage girl is such a bizarre detail to serve as the basis to introduce your main character. Were the early 2000s that much of a different era?

>>149864892 (OP)
Very much so yes
But I’m also finding out that Canadian high schoolers used to date older guys
It wasn’t super common and didn’t have everywhere but no one really batted an eye when it happens

>>149864892 (OP)
>Were the early 2000s that much of a different era?
Yes.
People like to pretend otherwise, but the purposes of having Scott and Knives dating wasn't to show that Scott's a creep or a bad person, it was to show that he was kinda pathetic and settling for an easy girl.
It really wasn't until the last two books or so where Bryan really started leaning into the 'Scott is a bad dude' schtick, likely due to the self-reflection afforded from over half a decade of working on the story, while the original plan was probably much closer to the movie version where he's just a loser that needs to get some self-respect.

>>149864892 (OP)
When I was young, I saw 14yo dating 20yo lol
They usually said that guys their age were too immature
I bet that now they cry about age gap as if they weren't into the same thing when they were teenagers

>24 yo dating a 17 yo is pedophilia
americans are mentally ill

>>149865377
This is Canadian though

>>149864892 (OP)
>17 years old
Perfectly legal. Now stop complaining moralfaggot

>>149865387
>he doesnt know about the 51 state

>>149865377
Zoomerfags fell for the MUH AGE GAP feminist bullshit pushed by Tea app roasties who look like pic-rel.

>>149865440
Get out of here with that
We already knew about this back when tinder was popular

Its the same idea as Woody Allen's character in Manhattan being considered immature because he chooses to date a 17 year old instead of a woman closer to his age.
You guys need culture that isn't just cartoons, video games, and genre fiction, and stuff from before the 90's. It will help you understand social norms and changes more.

>>149864892 (OP)
When I was in highschool in the South, a classmate of mine, fifteen, was dating a twenty two year old college guy. This was in like, 2012.

>>149864892 (OP)
Yes, very different. At the time it was only seeing as Scott being pathetic for going for a naive girl and self-centered for not thinking about what is good/bad for his partner. No one was calling him creep or pedo when it came out.

>>149865338
It’s still a thing. There’s a 22 year old coworker who is married to a guy in his mid 20s. She said they began dating 5 years ago, so she would’ve been 17 when they got together. She was casual about it too.

>>149864926
>But I’m also finding out that Canadian high schoolers used to date older guys
That's just high school girls in general. I knew a girl that started dating a 20 year old when she was 13.

>>149865338
I thought it was to show how immature he was. Like he could only date someone mentally his age, and his character arc was growing the fuck up and dating a more age-appropriate girlfriend.

>>149864892 (OP)
>REEE SHES A 17 YEAR OLD CHIIILD
empty moralniggering about an arbitrary number, likely in part from people who take whatever the law says as god-given divine rule and also >>149865440

>>149865338
Nah, Omalley does do a lot of general repurposing and retconning from the fourth book onward, but Knives was always supposed to make him be an asshole even if a point was made of portraying his treatment of her as innocent as possible in terms of sexuality at least.

That said, the times were absolutely different. Another point is how his male friends find the situation appealing but the female ones consider him an asshole for it even if they aren't outraged by the situation as it was comparatively "normal". In the present the most likely scenario for socially adjusted people would be genuine outrage in the case of women, and a performative version of it in the case of the guys.

>>149864892 (OP)
College age guys dating high schools has been normal throughout time until the mid-2000s.

Why it suddenly became blasphemy, who knows?

>>149865403
You know, there was this really cool video about a fictional 51st state that I can't find anymore because of king nigger. Sucks man.

>>149864892 (OP)
17 isn't underage, zoomer.

>>149865403
It's likely Trump only stopped being obsessed with annexing Canada when his aides finally convinced him that he cannot really pardon a fictional pedo.

>>149865460
Regardless they're also the same women calling guys "pedophiles" for dating adult women. I wish I was joking. Sad how zoomerfags got gaslit by those ugly feminist bridge trolls thinking age gap difference makes them "pedos". Now it's time for zoomerfags to reconsider the age gap difference.

>>149865578
>Why it suddenly became blasphemy, who knows?
Roasties.

>>149865564
I get what you mean but I think if that was the intent Scott would be way more innvolved in the relationship, it's clear he only cares about Knives as a way to plug the hole Envy left.

>>149865591
Yeah if you're in a cuck state like Florida or California. The rest of the world recognizes 16 as legal age.

Also girls lose their virginity before legal AOC. Just letting you numbercucks know.

>>149865578
When everyone started clowning on DiCaprio for dating early 20s super models.
DiCaprio didn’t start the backlash, but it’s when the change became more visible.

>>149864892 (OP)
In America the acceptable age gap has always been half your age plus seven, so yes it was weird even then.

>>149865532
You do realize that a guy in his mid 20s wouldn't also be in his mid 20s 5 years ago, right?

I mean, it's a matter of the "old rule", which applied as far back as the 90s regardless of the arbitrary claims made in this thread. That's half your age + 7, i.e. in the case of a 24yo like Scott, he could date as young as a 19 year old without being considered a creep.

>>149865656
DiCapro is based. He doesn't date Christmas Cakes

>>149865576
I'd say Book 6 is really the only time where they lay it on thick with the problematic age gap thing - considering Knives goes through a revolving door of older love interests prior to this I never thought you were meant to see it as insanely asshole-ish just on the face of it.

>>149865679
As opposed to most people who make a point of "defending" him, who won't ever date anybody at all lmao

>>149865476
>It will help you understand social norms and changes more
Someone can understand social norms and still think they’re stupid. How do you think they change in the first place?

>>149865575
The numbercucks got duped real hard by fat ugly feminist trolls who like Shrek with leprosy, which is quite hilarious. Lord forbid those older guys date a younger girl who is worthy of marriage & motherhood.

>>149865338
>People like to pretend otherwise, but the purposes of having Scott and Knives dating wasn't to show that Scott's a creep or a bad person
Anon, the comic opens with his friends, who know his antics better than his family, calling him out for it and he pretends exaggerated offense precisely to show he doesn't care. Then later on, but still early in the series, he does things like gleefully have her promise to be a good girl in front of them, and they even point out it's warped.

O'Malley clearly makes it out that Scott doesn't just like Knives because of her simplicity but enjoys the authority from the age difference.

>>149864892 (OP)
>17
>Underage
Swear to god you niggers

>>149865736
Women over 25 are useless. Just a fact.

>>149865735
Yeah there's certainly much more deflection in the later volumes, which doesn't mean he considered it above board when he started the series. He merely miscalculated, and since most of the character's positive traits are basically cartoony and exaggerated, something so basically grounded and realistic as dating below your moral limit outweighed them even then, and specially later.

>>149865772
Not true.
Some of them are MILF worthy.

>>149864892 (OP)
IMO Scott should have chosen Knives, because she was the purest & youngest of all the girls.

>>149865656
Do you think that Leo would get less flak for dating down if he already married, had kids, and divorced?

A lot of it probably comes from the fact that he's never married even once. The people "clowning" on him love clowning on divorced male celebs just as much - the messier the divorce, the better.

>>149865772
In your case, functionally as useless as any age and/or fictional status

>>149865772
They begin puberty earlier than boys, they reach their adult height at 14, and by 25 their reproductive organs slow.
Men start puberty later, continue growing until 22, and can have children as late as their 80s.
Women just all peak early.

>>149865789
MILFs are overrated. At 25 they look like 35. And once they hit 30, they look worst. Dating older women makes you a cuck. Younger girls are the superior option.

>>149865808
Guys are different. We're more desirable as we get older.

Damn so much sex totes being had on the reg by everybody in this thread holy shit

>>149864892 (OP)
>Brown Bear
lol what a fag

>>149864892 (OP)
Is there context for why he felt the need to say out loud that she's 17 years old like it's a Twitter bio?
>>149865476
Its the same idea as Woody Allen's character in Manhattan being considered immature because he chooses to date a 17 year old instead of a woman closer to his age.
>Woody Allen's character

>>149865868
In your case, mostly for cannibals and comedy writers

>>149865832
They also age earlier. By 26 they start hitting the wall. That's why roasties in their 30s are invincible to most men. I've seen some that like hags.

>>149865870
indeed. 4chan is a cool and hip sex haver site nowadays it's true.

>>149865338
The comic really treated him like a demon in the later part. He was unemployed for a while and dated a teenager, but did he really do anything truly deplorable? He seemed like a fun and charming guy to me.

>>149865891
Do me a favor, go out & touch grass. I've seen dudes in their 40s dating girls in their 20s. A few of them are even married. It perfectly normal. The only people who have a problem with older men getting with younger girls are roasties & people dumb enough to listen to them.

>>149865870
Good. May it redpill you into happiness

>>149864892 (OP)
>Were the early 2000s that much of a different era?
People in online bubbles seem to think that a 20 year old dating someone a few years older is pedophillia. IRL I regularly see teenagers 17 years old with 20 something year olds and rather than predatory it is seen as sort of normal, teen rebelling against their parents or whatever. Real life is not the same as the online bubble.

Scott Pilgrim for me has always been weird though because the book always felt like it was romanticising that 20 something slice of life malaise but then ardent defenders act like it was criticising things, especially Scott's behaviour, when it really feels like its popularity is based on liking the references and story and not criticising Scott at all.

99% of the couples i see are looksmatched and similar in age. i genuinely have no idea where you guys see all these couples with huge age gaps.

>>149865962
Just look at marriage stats. Guys on average are older than their bride. It’s just biological. Like at 20 a woman is fully developed, and the average guy still has several years to reach his majority, then obv she’ll go with someone older who meets her maturity level.

>>149865992
It's natural to prefer your own kind. It's cruel to racemix & create mutt abominations that look nothing like their parents. That's why coalburners & riceburners are the butt of jokes.

>>149866042
was just talking about age gaps. i can think of one around me and the guy is 50+ and dating a 25 year old and everyone thinks they're both weirdos. the girl comes off as autistic. oh also my cousin is 19 and dating a 40 year old and she is legitimately non meme autistic, those are the only two i know of. maybe it's a thing with autistic girls wanting a father figure.

>>149865999
Checked & trips of truth
Women undergo menopause at 35. Which means if you impregnate a 35F, your kids are at risk of developing down syndrome & other genetic deficiencies. Why choose a woman past her prime when a younger girl can bear healthy children? Even from a biological perspective it makes better sense.

>>149866090
That guy looks 20 years old may not be 20 years old, but in his 40s. And that girl who looks 18 may actually be 13. Age affects men & women differently. Age is actually harder on women cause they age at a faster rate. That's why arranged marriages were so common before feminism destroyed them.

>>149866192
>That guy looks 20 years old may not be 20 years old, but in his 40s.
cope of the year award.

>>149866090
… is this common with tards?
I know a 20 year old schizo/auistic chick whose mom arrange her to be with a late 40 year old. She’s late 20s now with a kid.

>>149866267
i think autistic women just get taken advantage of more easily honestly. my cousin was dating a well meaning guy her age but dumped him then apparently lost her virginity to the older guy she met at work. sounds made up but it's real.

Zoomers think 18 and 17 is too much of an age gap

>>149865883
Yeah, it is his character. In real life Woody Allen is just a pedophile.

>>149864892 (OP)
>Dating an underage girl is such a bizarre detail to serve as the basis to introduce your main character. Were the early 2000s that much of a different era?
This is normal everywhere on the globe, only Americans are high strung about it. Especially if it's a 17yo dating a 21yo, that's completely normal. Almost all the girls in my high school dating college kids. One of them dated a cop who was in his 30s (2x age difference), they married and have kids now.

And the author of the comic stated that he modeled the characters after people he knew as well.

Since the thread has long since moved on from discussing Scott Pilgrim, I'd just like to say that giving a shit about who other people date or fuck is absolute gossip magazine reading woman behaviour. It doesn't affect your life in any way, nobody is forcing you personally to fuck a 16yo or a 70yo.

>>149866404
>And the author of the comic stated that he modeled the characters after people he knew as well.
Doesn't matter to the internet crowd. Dan Povenmire said he based Ferb and Vanessa on a 25 year old woman he dated when he was 19. People in the replies were telling him that he had been groomed.
So now in the reboot there's no Vanessa-Ferb.

>>149864892 (OP)
Yes

>>149865646
>>149865591
legal age and age of consent is different. One is the age of legal responsibility (ie if you get busted for stealing, it's your ass, not your parents getting fined), the other is for when you can agree to have sex. Some countries do make it a rule that if one of the participants is of legal age and the other is not, things can get more complex, as the adult could be emotionally leading on the younger person or be in a position he can take advantage of (for ex. teacher, boss at work, etc). But there are also close age exemptions, for ex. if the two people are only 2-3 years apart, and one is below age of consent, then its not a big deal.

knew a girl once who was only 13 and dated a guy who was over 18. the girl kept waiting for the day she turned 14 (the age of consent here), specifically so they could start fucking.

>>149865660
Go back as much as 100 years and it was normal for 12 year olds to be married to men in their 30s.

>>149866479
shame is one of the greatest tools society has. the only issue being the older men who prey on very young women are typically shameless. 7 years at max age gaps are fine as long as both parties are of legal age.

>>149866491
>Doesn't matter to the internet crowd.

The people most loud on the internet are the most retarded people you should definitely not listen to.

Lots of grown ass men in this thread who want to date actual children. You do know the idea that women date older men is a myth propagated by incels to make your life harder, right? In a healthy society people date around their own age.

If you're 17 and dating a 15 year old or even a 14 year old you are fine. You are children in school. If you're 20 and you met your partner in high school you are fine, there are romeo and juliet laws to protect you. Just a heads up though - if you're 17 and dating a 14 year old people are going to talk. And they should. You want to keep that 14 year old safe after all. If you actually cared about them you'd want them to keep an eye out to make sure she's safe.

You know when women date above their age? When the economy sucks. Because no one wants to live in a gutter. This isn't good for the white man, but it's damn good for the rich.

>>149866491
That's hot. That's a hot way to live.
https://youtu.be/nPDjI9LXeLY?t=48

>>149865979
I think you should take a look at some of the pitch and design documents for the series.
A lot of people like the way the series depicts the early 20s lifestyle in the mid-2000s but it was definitely not meant as an endorsement of it.

>>149866542
>shaming people for not conforming to my morality is great
Go back to cancelling people on twatter.

>>149866595
twitter is only for boomers now. the new thing is bluesky.

>>149866595
the vast majority of people think big age gaps are weird and will think you're fucking weird. if you don't give a shit regardless then nobody is going to stop you from clearly taking advantage of someone.

>>149866662
>if you don't give a shit regardless then nobody is going to stop you
Right. So why care? That's what I don't get, Anon. Nobody is forcing YOU to participate in an age-gap relationship if you don't want one, why care what others do?

>>149866103
This is why I like young women the best, they’re hotter, cuter, and can bare healthy children

>>149866731
cause i'm entitled to my opinion since i live in a country with free speech. just like how you're free to date young, dumb sluts. i will still think it's creepy and predatory if there's a large age gap. which you don't care about clearly.

>>149864892 (OP)
They were, but it wasn't in america since these things are way more normal everywhere except very prudish countries.
For scott though knives was just the rebound and the few clear descriptors of her in his mind is how she's a kid.
>>149866595
>shame people because I think they're doing a bad thing is wrong
When else is a good time to shame people??

>>149866583
I don't think the book was endorsing it. I feel like the book wants to eat its cake and have it too. It never really has much to say on the topic? And fans of Scott Pilgrim, especially nowadays, push the idea that it was saying something about these things, but the popularity of the series never seemed based on that? Do you get what I mean?

>>149866887
What if I’m hagmaxxing with sluts in their 50’s? You still think that’s predatory?

>>149866887
>which you don't care about clearly
Correct. Just like I don't care if two gays want to go at it, or if someone gets a haircut I wouldn't personally want or buys a car I think is bad. Because that's their fucking life to live the way they want, not for me to tell them how to live it.

>>149865770
Uh... yeah?
What do you think "underage" means, anon?

>>149866965
no i think that's equally as weird if you're young yourself and can just date women your age. maybe you want a sugar mama that badly? still means you'd only care about the person's money and not the actual person.

>>149866973
i'm not telling anyone anything this is an anonymous forum on the internet, anon. people are entitled to their opinions. getting so heated over anonymous opinions that don't matter or affect you really tells me how immature you are though.

>>149867180
Resorting to ad-homs now, are we? Rather than just accepting that other people can be happy living differently from how you want to?

>>149866959
Critical thinking in nerd spaces has only become a thing in recent years, this is why video games in particular are such a creatively defunct medium when it comes to storytelling, people just wanna watch cool shit happening and laugh at jokes.
It wasn't that long ago that the common opinion on The Dark Knight online was simply "woaaah Batman and Joker were so fucking cool in that movie!!", but that doesn't mean TDK is a creatively bankrupt work with nothing to say.
Just because nerds back in the aughts only read Scott Pilgrim to find out which girl he's gonna end up with doesn't mean Bryan Lee O'Malley wasn't thinking about deeper themes and messages while writing it.

>>149867391
people can live however they want i can't stop that. i can still have my own opinions on the matter because i'm not an amoeba with no brain activity.

>>149867392
>Critical thinking in nerd spaces has only become a thing in recent years, this is why video games in particular are such a creatively defunct medium when it comes to storytelling, people just wanna watch cool shit happening and laugh at jokes.
I mean, people have been dissecting nerd culture for decades, it hasn't just become a recent thing.

>It wasn't that long ago that the common opinion on The Dark Knight online was simply "woaaah Batman and Joker were so fucking cool in that movie!!", but that doesn't mean TDK is a creatively bankrupt work with nothing to say.
I mean you got this completely wrong and the opposite was true. Nolan's strength is making normal people feel more intelligent. TDK was so popular because the Joker, in several exposition scenes, laid out his whole philosophy and people found it accessible to understand and think about. So the common opinion online on TDK was often pushing this. Hence why there was so many people online taking that Joker philosophy as philosophy 101.

Just because nerds back in the aughts only read Scott Pilgrim to find out which girl he's gonna end up with doesn't mean Bryan Lee O'Malley wasn't thinking about deeper themes and messages while writing it.
But given how things change I definitely feel like he wasn't thinking about those themes in the same way all the way through. Kim criticises the Knives situation but Kim also kisses Knives later on? I feel like O'Malley is all over the place and fans are almost retroactively reassessing the work despite the fact there are places where it is all over the place. I probably need a reread to fully articulate this.

>>149864892 (OP)
Dating implies kisses, cuddles, and, well, going out on dates. Scott treated her the same as he treats Young Neil.

>>149864892 (OP)
Yes

>>149867609
>Kim criticises the Knives situation but Kim also kisses Knives later on?
Scenes like that are to show how Scott's circle are just as desperate and dodgy, explaining how they tolerate each other, but are either more honest like Wallace or more closeted about themselves like Kim and Stephen.

Knives developed a complex around wanting to be with Scott and wanting to be Kim precisely due to her naivety what sort of people they really were. She thought they were put together easy going rock stars, then O'Malley cuts to them having a panic attack over how garbage they are or will look compared to other bands.
It's precisely why >>149866583 has
>thesis: cool people are not cool.

O'Malley knew what he was saying, people just tend to gloss over the things they don't know, care about or want to.

Mexibro here

>me, being a 19 virgin, 2006
>meet a cool "punk" attitude girl in windows messenger
>finally phisically met her in a concert
>fell in love
>didnt ask her age, looked old enough if she managed to enter ti a bar at night since ID is requiered
>hanging out with her after the concert and managed to get to her house
>being in her room past midnight
>erection.pg
>and tell me, how old are you girl?
>16
>WTF how did you enter to the concert?
>uuuh, fake ID, duuuh
>having second thoughts and thinking in a excuse to escape
>she realizes im overthinking and start performing oral
>holy shit this is it im going to jail
>confess: "Im a virgin you know, how about you?"
>"im not, im popping your penis cherry then"
>Dated over a year after that

One of the best relationships of my life, sexually speaking

>>149868050
>O'Malley knew what he was saying, people just tend to gloss over the things they don't know, care about or want to.
But parts like that do not always feel intentional on O'Malley's part at all. Plenty of references and things feel messier. That whole scene feels more lesbians for the sake of lesbians and is barely brought up again. And that's my issue, things are done and then not brought up and there is very little to say about them. But the defense is always "well we can say it was criticising them along x theme" but I don't always think that was the authors intent, and that's my issue.

>>149868308
i really wish normalfags would stop thinking 4chan is a place for them to blog about their lives.

>>149868308
Fabricated and homosexual.
No 19 year old Mexican in 2006 would have even paused to question her.

>>149865753
Sure, but OP wanted cultural context.

>>149866491
I mean that shit always was fucking absurdly weird.

>>149866565
>You do know the idea that women date older men is a myth propagated by incels to make your life harder, right?

Every single girl I ever liked had an older boyfriend. It's not a myth, it's something I've personally seen.

>>149868345
There's a lot about Scott Pilgrim just as far as the basic narrative goes that is left unsaid, what makes you think the comic would make a grandstanding about its thematic content? It's there, just figure it out - same way you figure out why Kim moved to Toronto or why Envy left Scott or why Ramona changes her hair.

>>149869907
I just disagree with the idea that it was left unsaid because a bunch of it seems like clear inconsistency in how things developed and a lot of stuff wasn't intended to be that deep and this is why there are issues in what it was really trying to say. Which is why people fall back on the same defenses. I'm not saying it should grandstand about it's points. We're talking past each other really.

>>149864892 (OP)
I think it's in part because Scott just really didn't seem to think too much about it, while Knives was the type who was in a rush to check off the markers of adulthood as she becomes more acquainted with the way that things are outside of her sheltered bubble. It was at least like that in the original pitch for the series. It's probably not as common now, though I'm sure it still happens. Good thing for Knives is that Scott didn't have really ill intentions, though maybe Neil or Kim ended up taking her virginity.

>>149865338
>People like to pretend otherwise
I think it's mostly performative. People who haven't read the books or might've been familar with the first minute of the movie see that and immediately assume he's trying to fuck Knives express their outrage over it. People who have read the books or enjoy the series then start compensating and start elevating how bad Scott is to defend the rest of the series. I remember the whole narrative about the series pre-SPTO was all "oh Scott is problematic" because of this. But yeah, the first two chapters of the book pretty much lay out that Scott's actions were him selfishly settling for something simple and easy to cope with his genuine heartache over his last breakup.
>It really wasn't until the last two books or so where Bryan really started leaning into the 'Scott is a bad dude' schtick
I never really read it as Scott being a "bad person" but moreso that his selfishness and inability to learn from his mistakes led to him hurting people and it being a hinderance to him growing up and maturing. He hurts people, but it's not necessarily intentional. He's as much of an obstacle to being with Ramona because of this as any of the exes.

>>149865576
>Omalley does do a lot of general repurposing and retconning from the fourth book onward
to be fair, he's probably tired of having to address people rehashing some of the least important parts of the story in his mentions over and over again

>>149866583
>5' 1" Knives
Knives really was so short