Thread 149879001

The existence of Supergirl and other Kryptonians like Zod, etc., dilutes what Superman is. I think what makes Superman interesting to me is that he is the last of an entire worldwide civilization. He is the last of a culture, of a language, of a history, and of a society. Out of everybody, he IS the last one. He is the culmination of his Kyrptonian heritage even though that came only through mass death. That heritage, that way of life lives in him and in a sad way, dies with him. There, Clark is not just one among many anymore. He cannot point to anybody else but himself. Sure, there might have been Kryptonians who believed different things, who had different hopes and dreams, and possessed different thoughts and opinions, who did good or evil, etc. But all that cannot be seen anymore. Anything they can now is Superman. He is the sole ambassador of a sole species. In a way that forces him to be the best a Kryptonian can be. It is like how one judges the Scythians by the scant literature and artifacts we have of them. Superman is like a single piece of a large and now lost jigsaw puzzle, and one can only fathom.extrapolate what that jigsaw puzzle might have looked like from that single piece.

And I think the existence of other Kryptonians dilutes this thematic aspect of Superman. I do like Kara Danvers as a character but only from a bildungsroman perspective. I think it would have been better she was more of a clone of Superman than an actual Kryptonian.

>>149879001 (OP)
you literally just described the thought process behind post-crisis superman
and no supergirl was a bigger loss than having superman be the literal last krpytonian

we have literally done this song and dance before, and we always come to the conclusion that having more interesting characters is better than superman being the literal last kryptonian
and kal-el being thrilled to find another being like him can also be argued to be one of the strongest moments you could depict in his story

> I think it would have been better she was more of a clone of Superman than an actual Kryptonian.
post-crisis supergirl as a clone of lana lang, but its still just a distinction without a difference in the end

Shut the fuck up Byrne

>>149879053
>kal-el being thrilled to find another being like him can also be argued to be one of the strongest moments you could depict in his story
I do concede that it is interesting story-wise as it can set-up a lot of juicy narrative building blocks. It can help contrast the characters, set up conflicts, etc. However, it does dilute the theme nonetheless.

>but its still just a distinction without a difference in the end
I think calling her clone does do a lot of heavy-lifting. It takes away any natural connection she has with Krypton and makes her a pure human Kryptonian in a spiritual sense.

>>149879053
>kal-el being thrilled to find another being like him can also be argued to be one of the strongest moments you could depict in his story

>puts her in an orphanage

>>149879112
Pre-crisis Superman was like 45 years old, single, and the Kents were dead. He had no other options

>>149879001 (OP)
The existence of miserable puritans like you dilutes what Superman is.

>>149879001 (OP)
> He is the last of a culture, of a language, of a history, and of a society.
having one (1) additional kryptonian really doesn’t change the gravity of this by much.
if anything this is a good source of storytelling and conflict. Superman and Supergirl are both the only two who share this heritage and they may have disagreements on how to cope with that which they need to resolve.
and it’s a natural way of making this problem more relevant to the plots.

>>149879001 (OP)
I don't mind Zod. Evil mirror villains can be okay.
Supergirl is the beginning of the cancerous "let's make a derivative of a popular character except black/female/gay"
She's why Miles Morales exists.

>>149879001 (OP)
That's nice. Now can you condense this into about 10 words or less? Thank you.

>>149879237
> She's why Miles Morales exists.
pointless logic.
Superman is also the reason that Supergirl exists.
as a matter of fact, why should comic books even exist?

>>149879245
What are you, an ETL?

>>149879251
I'm more of an FTL anon.

>>149879249
>why should comic books even exist?
Cause they already do. Plato explains this.

>>149879001 (OP)
Superman should be the sole Kryptonian on Earth, but there should be like a dozen or so other Kryptonians fucking around the galaxy. I always thought it would be cool if Superman and company, during some space adventure or something, came into contact with another Kryptonian who also became the protector of an alien species. It could lead to some interesting stories with Superman being excited to meet another Kryptonian only to be shocked by his methods, because instead of acting like a superhero this Kryptonian acts more like a honor bound warrior king who ruthlessly kills anyone that threatens the aliens that he has taken as his changes.

>>149879053
>and no supergirl was a bigger loss than having superman be the literal last krpytonian
Yeah we gained great Supergirl stories like....

>>149879361
Adventures in The 8th grade. Best Mr. Mxyzptlk portrayal ever.

>>149879316
DC has already done this, of a sort, both in continuity and as an AU/elseworld.

>>149879237
I hate to disappoint you, but they've been doing this since before your father's balls dropped.
Not everything is about you, or white men.
If your life sucks or your future is shitty, do something about it besides complaining in your mom's basement while you get cheetos dust all over your cheap android phone.

>>149879126
Could have restarted the species

>>149880761
It's so obvious when a woman posts.

>>149879394
So a single out of continuity story in 60 years

>>149880788
>"woman"
FTFY

>>149879001 (OP)
Supergirl/Powergirl make my dick hard so them existing is good.

>>149879001 (OP)
>"controversial opinion y'all"
>editorial drivel from 1985 that backfired like crazy

>>149879107
>However, it does dilute the theme nonetheless.
Diluting the theme is worth it if it means we avoid dumb shit like Russian Zod or Matrix Supergirl or Brainiac being a magician.

>>149880818
There are more, look for them. You should thank me btw, but you seem like a void of resentment, so I won't be holding my breath.

>>149879001 (OP)
Zod is fine because he is a villain who exists to test Superman and force him to kill his own kind.

>>149880981
I read PAD's Supergirl, which was ok but barely Supergirl. Loeb's Supergirl and the solo from the 2000's was bad, the New 52 one was overrated, nothing since rebirth has been good either.
The 70's stuff, the little I've honestly read, was bland. The 60's stories kinda cute but repetitive.
I will agree cosmic adventures was fun.

>>149879053
>and no supergirl was a bigger loss than having superman be the literal last krpytonian
only for gooners

>>149879001 (OP)
Supergirl must definitely have a bare midriff.

Imagine an AU where both Kara and Clark were found by the Kents. What'd it be like?

>>149882302
Based

>>149879053
/thread

>>149879001 (OP)
Sounds good in theory, but not in practice. Kara is too good of a character to lose (everyone else is fine to cut, though Kandor can be fun)

It's like when they tried to gimp all of Batman's sidekicks and send Dick to the Titans and Barbara to D.C. because on paper having him be a loner sounded cooler. Unfortunately, it didn't work as well and I'm the long run screwed everything up. Similarly, having Batman be this gritty, paranoid, and nearly socio/psychopathic character sounded cool on paper, but gets old fast in practice. Ditto for Bat/Joker wank

>>149879126
She could have just lived with him. Why possible proven outside of maybe him getting a funny look or two is easily solved by them both bring Kryptonian.

Also, she could have lived at the Fortress.

>>149879237
I can see why one might think this, but I believe it's unrelated and coincidental. Kara exists for a combination of two reasons: Silver Age silliness and sidekicks.

Long story short, someome at DC got the idea to give Captain Marvel a teenaged sidekick like Robin which lead to the creation of Captain Marvel, Jr. Who was one of the most popular characters ever created at the time (he even influenced Elvis Presley's stage persona) the tremendous success of this character lead to them trying to capture lightning in a bottle twice by making Mary Marvel and creating the Marvel Family.

After this there was a silver age story where Jimmy Olsen wishes a magical Supergirl into existence to be his girlfriend slave thing for a wacky one off. The idea of a hot Superman girl assistance resonated with a bunch of people leading to an influx of fan letters saying they wanted to see more of the character which lead DC to get the guy who made Mary Marvel to come up with a better more permanent Supergirl character which is how we got Kara. There was no real thought given to representation or ttying to get girls to read comics like what lead to the original Batwoman and Batgirl characters debuting (and not being received well.)

>>149879001 (OP)
Supergirl can be fun if it fits the tone of that particular story, but I really fucking hate evil kryptonians.

When Zods exist, it basically shatters the idea of kryptonians being this wonderful gift to humanity that are a universal force of good. I don't think most people would feel comfortable with any kryptonian existing after superman-but-evil came by and tried to kill everyone.

I also just like krypton being a utopia society that could do no wrong. It makes its destruction feel all the more tragic, and creates a deeper feeling of longing for what could have been if it still existed.

>>149879001 (OP)
This goes for other characters too like Spider-man but especially Flash.

>I think we should make a teenage girl version of Superman
>huh? oh, sure, she's his cousin and got blasted off too or something whatever
Then 70 years later Anon has an autistic asthma attack.

>>149879361
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149311620/#149311886

Honestly, the Unity episode of S:tAS is one of my favorite things. I want a whole series of DCAU Kara living in Smallville with the Kent's.

>>149879112
>sticks Kara in an orphanage
>dumps Conner off at his parents
>lets Jon be raped in volcano by his evil alternate self for seven years
Why does Clark such a deadbeat and why does he hate his own flesh and blood so much?

>>149879001 (OP)
>I think what makes Superman interesting to me is that he is the last of an entire worldwide civilization.
Does anyone actually to commit to the "last of his kind" trope? I don't think writers want to truly embrace how depressing being an endling is. No one wants to be this guy:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nDRY0CmcYNU

>>149879001 (OP)
To me, the problem that the existence of Supergirl and the villains causes has nothing to do with the dilution of the idea that Superman is the last of his kind and more to do with the idea that because these other Kryptonians exist and were not proximal to the explosion of Krypton's sun that we have to abandon the idea that it was the supernova and collapsing space that were responsible for Superman's unique physical condition and abilities. With Kyra maybe you could say she was farther away and wasn't affected as much but with Zod and the others you have to abandon the idea entirely and come up with some lame excuse about Kryptonians in general.

>>149879001 (OP)
>I think what makes Superman interesting to me is that he is the last of an entire worldwide civilization
That's it? Wow that's shallow.

>>149879001 (OP)
>I think what makes Superman interesting to me is that he is the last of an entire worldwide civilization.
Good thing that's not what anyone important finds interesting about Superman.

>>149879001 (OP)
I want to cum on her teeth

>>149879001 (OP)
Agreed

>>149879001 (OP)
Great post. Supergirl is an abomination who should not exist, let alone have shows or movies.

/co/ is notoriously autistic against families because it fucks with their power fantasy while also digging up their deep rooted issues both socially and at home concerning healthy human contact

>>149880788
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