Thread 149905012

Dr. Hamilton is a jerk.

He didn't send Galatea to rape Batman and thats not smart. So he's not only a jerk, he's a stupid jerk. He and Waller need to have a jerk off session

>>149905012 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AsAv723e20

It's sad knowing DC fans are so stupid because if they had even half a brain cell they would realize he's absolutely right

>>149905158
So his answer was to make a Kryptonian Hitwoman that's also a horny teenager!?

>>149905158
Superman was being mind controlled.

>>149905209
and what happens the next time he's mind controlled? or they go full justice lords?

>>149905295
>"Captain Atom. We know you lost last time, but I think this time, you can fight the entire Justice League. You can do it, Uncle Sam believes in you."

>>149905295
What happens when the thing they're using to fight him get's mind controlled or decide to go tyrannical on them?

>>149905158
>>149905012 (OP)
It was complete bullshit. Wouldn't he just talk to Superman on one of his frequent visits to star labs to discuss a good counter measure they could develop together?

>>149905012 (OP)
he was so fucking nice in STAS
it's too bad the same actor couldn't return and the new one didn't even try to sound like the old one, because I'm curious how that actor would have played this change...
>>149905295
a world in which mind control exists is a world in which a rational person MUST accept a scenario in which a person can be 100% carte-blanche forgiven for what their body did under someone else's control.

>>149905531
You know I wonder if Dr Hamilition felt like he could’ve done something much more ethical and moral, yet he crossed a moral line with cloning supergirl

you fucking retards.
Hamilton is scared of superman because he forced him to help kara and was threatening him. He wanted to believe in him, but realised superman is not only a flawed person, but a guy that could snap if he is pushed hard enough.

Superman didn't even apologized to him, and instead was again, upset that he cloned kara, rather than trying to reason and understand why a simple human with no powers would have reasons to doubt him.

>>149905662
I didn't see Hamilton out there reasoning and understanding why Superman might snap after being told "I can treat the possibly fatal injuries of your last remaining relative. But I won't."

>>149905295
Anyone can be mind controlled. What's stopping the Leaders of a nation from being controlled into launching nukes everywhere? Should all the governments be blown up? What if Cadmus gets mind controlled?

Superman gets mind controlled by a Villain so that means he has to kill Superman? His argument is paper thin at best.

>>149905662
Wasn't Superman at the moment trying to rescue the Question with Huntress? Not the best time for apologies.

>>149905772
I believe his argument wasn't, "kill Superman now before he gets mind controlled" so much as, "Have a plan to protect ourselves against Superman if he does."

>>149905826
And his friends on this endeavor were General Wade "fire a few nukes, I guess" Eiling and Amanda "I get off watching my employees die" Waller.

>>149905662
That's the crux of it. Superman effectively has absolute power, but people felt they could trust him with that so long as he was above human. An angel, as Hamilton said. But the second that drops, that you find that he's as fallible as any other human, that trust just can't exist anymore. All civilization hinges on this guy, this one guy, never having a bad enough day to decide it should go away.

>>149905888
I kinda get the feeling they coerced and took advantage of his fears that while perfectly rational, lead to some very irrational decisions on his part. Or maybe I'm giving Hamilton too much credit.

>>149905507
Timm and some of the other staffers hated him for some reason. He was supposed to be killed at the end of STAS but because they hated him they assumed nobody would cared so they went with Dan Turpin instead, a character nobody really cared about anyway and whose most memorable moment in the series is dying. Then they made him a villain just to further that dislike of him.

>>149905772
Superman is more powerful than a nuke. He could just fly super speeds around the earth in minutes and fuck the planet up simply by plowing into everything.

But even nukes we realize needs a leash of sorts. America and the Soviet union realized this during cold war and had fail safes and checks people had to go through before the button could be pressed. What does superman have? A green rock and his friends he could kill before they blink?

>>149905012 (OP)
I miss when we were friends

Superman isn't even that strong in the DCAU. Want to take him out? Just get a taser and shock him.

>>149905356
use the aneurysm button

>>149907461
the egg or the chicken, superman

>>149905158
The entire Cadmus storyline was an example of reasonable ideas leading to the most batshit stupid results.

>>149905631
It was also stupid.

>I hate and fear supers because they're so powerful and could turn against us so we can't trust them
>I know! I'll make MORE supers to use against them surely they won't turn against their creators

I kinda understand this mindset but also yeah I kinda don't.

>>149905012 (OP)
Could've been worse.

>>149908702
Yeah, it's one of the worst things about JLU. I hate what they did to Hamilton, he's one of the best Superman supporting cast members in the triangle era and throughout the 90's, making him an antagonist in JLU felt like a slap in the face.

>>149909942
blame the writers, they hated Hamilton for some reason

>>149909942
He didn't do much better in the actual comics. I'd almost argue his turn was even more petty there.

>>149908267
the feed or the fuck Superman

>>149905012 (OP)
Okay, one more thing—
Why do you assume you're the smartest in the room?
Why do you assume you're the smartest in the room?
Why do you assume you're the smartest in the room?
Soon that attitude may be your doom

The chicken or the egg blah blah blah

Did they bang though, she was so maladjusted and all over the place i wouldn't be surprised if she was into him romantically

>>149912450
That would be incest,

>>149905012 (OP)
On one hand, I get that it would be terrifying that Superman went full Viltrumite because he got brainwashed by Granny Goodness on Darkseid's orders and just like Batman in Tower of Babel he isn't WRONG to be anxious and want a contingency plan in the future.

However, just like Bruce in ToB it's the methodology and lack of ethics that I find contentious.

Hamilton violated both Superman and Supergirl's trust when he initially refused to heal her and then when he DID capitulate it was only so he could steal her DNA for a twisted eugenics project to potentially murder both of them if they were deemed "out of line" with neither of their knowledge nor their consent.

It's not like Supes is 100% opposed to others having contingencies either--he gave Bruce Lex's Kryptonite Ring because he trusted him to use it responsibly if shit gets that bad.

In Tower of Babel the the issue wasn't so much the contingency plans as much as the lack of trust. Bruce didn't need to go in detail about HOW/WHAT he would do to stop the other JLA members if they went rogue or got mind controlled en masse--just that he had/was working on them would have gone a LONG way of mitigating the dramatic fallout in the aftermath.

>>149907028
And then they made Hamilton into the supervillain Ruin in the comics.

>>149913847
Yeah. That is gross.

>>149906184
This.
"I thought you were a guardian angel, sent to answer our prayers. But Lucifer was an angel too."
Mind control is no excuse for someone who can punch buildings to powder grabbing a normal man's throat after the mind control is OVER. Plus Hamilton would have seen the Justice Lords footage off-screen before delivering that line to Superman.

>>149912450
Eww, no. As Waller said, "We're the good guys " Hamilton became a well-intentioned extremist, not a sex predator.

>>149905012 (OP)
Dr.Hamilton did nothing wrong

>>149905012 (OP)
Even as a kid I sort of got his point of view

>>149905209
Yeah, his point is still valid, if the only people who can stop superman are his friends how do you enjure they actually stop him. Superman could kill them when they least expect them, or some could even join him. You are one mind controller away for half of the world to explode with this guy.

Remind me, what was the deal with Kara and Dr.Hamilton? Why didn't he want to treat her when she got hurt? Was it because he was wary over Superman's brainwashing by Darkseid all the way back in StAS and didn't want another kryptonian that could potentially get brainwashed running around?

>>149916968
He was treating her. He was just worried the feds were going to come after him.

>>149917015
Then what was Superman's problem?

>>149915918
>>149912450
You know Bruce Timm would have done it in a heartbeat if they weren't restricted by a Y7 rating.

>>149917191
Superman didn't have a rational problem. His friend Emily was already in a doctor-patient relationship with Supergirl at his request, then he pointed out TO HIS FRIEND, WHO HE WAS STILL TRUSTING, that he was legally an enemy of the United States for invading it when mind controlled into Darkseid's son. "I could be prosecuted for treason for helping you" he says, and his god-like friend goes for the normal man's throat.

>>149917191
Superman was having a really bad day and snapped.

>>149907461
The writers fucking hated Hamilton and I could never understand why. He just seems like a nice fella.

>>149912450
She wanted to but he wasn’t. She was also sleeping with that one guy while undercover. Lucky bastard.

>>149917487
You've said this like 5 times in this thread but provided no proof.

>>149913878
Exactly. That's the entire reason why Cadmus was born and why it was destined to fail. It was never solely about protecting themselves, no matter how much Hamilton and Waller deluded themselves into believing it. It was about placing superheroes and metahumans right under the US's thumb as their new military branch to replace that feeling of powerlessness instilled by all those alien invasions and superpowered freaks running rampant all over the planet. Because even if they don't fully trust the Justice League or the other superheroes for good reasons, it boils down to them ultimately not trusting them enough and thinking they could just "replace" them with more pliable puppets. And then wouldn't you know it, not only were they beyond easily subverted by the likes of Luthor, not even their own puppets like Doomsday, Galatea, or the original Ulti-men proved to be completely in their control. Shit was doomed from the start with the approach they took, and they only had themselves to blame.

>>149907028
>>149910088
They hated him because all his scenes were just exposition. He would come into an episode and explain the phlebotinum and then leave, so his scenes were always the most boring part of the show.

At least on the part of the writers and producers, that was their own fault for not finding ways to make his scenes less boring, but I'm sure people who had to work on them hated them too.

It's not so much hating him for who he is as "oh, shit, I have to work on a Hamilton scene."

i want to cum the queen

>>149905012 (OP)
Can't speak for the comics, only the DCAU, but:
>based best friend of Superman
>gets spooked once by the antics of a villain and some hypothetical alt-universe shit
>instantly becomes a recurring antagonist, antagonizing and demonizing superheroes in general like him and Cadmus are TRYING to piss them off
>show loses a fun dynamic
>show gains the shit Cadmus plot
>nigga goes out of his way to gamble on a completely unstable Power Girl lookalike with no way to control her despite having a constant fear of superheroes
Him becoming a "villain" in the series kinda killed it for me, TBQH. Took a lot of "soul" out of it, I quickly missed shit like Hamilton refitting Superman's "crib" to let him fly back to Krypton's remains, or making him a space suit.

>>149916950
One mind controller could also control the mind of the leaders of any of the nuclear superpowers and wipe half the planet too, or control someone at a viral facility and release Super-Duper COVID, or control someone on the ISS and superhero-cartoon it into a space death laser, or controls a nearby spacefaring race to one-shot Earth.
Sounds like their bigger problem should've been to focus on inventing a ray that kills Starro or frees people from mind/body control, not antagonizing the singular most useful guy on the planet who has already saved it a bunch of times by now.

The DCAU was all downhill after BTAS. It was still good when STAS started, but by Justice League I lost all interest.

>>149905158
Stealing someone's DNA and making a clone of them is hardly justifiable. It's one thing getting scared by someone you thought was your friend asking you to break rules, but that's a separate matter

>>149915887
I mean, it kind of is an excuse, but one that can't be swept under the rug, and Clark did take the blame since he knew he couldn't just say "I wasn't in my right mind". Wasn't even his boyscout mentality, he knew he had to accept responsibility since he fell into the trap that got him corrupted in the first place and then things went tits up

>>149905209
Thanks. I just imagined mesugaki mind control with The Child.

>>149905158
Regardless of how you feel about him, Hamilton has some serious testicular fortitude.

>>149905158
Nah it just showed what a sniveling rat he was. You don't go from being someone's friend to making a killer clone of their cousin unless you were already thinking of it beforehand.

>>149919763
In the moment, once Clark left, dude looked like he was about to shit a brick the size of a football

>>149919847
Hamilton was a real hero. Able to put aside his friendship for the sake of the world, as well as stand up to someone that could vaporize you in a heartbeat. I doubt you would have the balls to do the same.

>>149917191
>>149916968
Hamilton did not want to treat and save Kara because Superman spent last week being an alien invader on behalf of Darkseid.
Supes got brainwashed, but he nonetheless has wiped out an entire base.
Superman, already stressed out from being almost killed and seeing his adoptive cousin get shot, lashed out at Hamilton to force him to save Kara.

>>149921439
I can get feeling betrayed since Superman had been a good friend to him, but Hamilton should have understood that Kara was innocent and deserved help regardless of what Clark had done.

>>149922818
Guy considered Superman an angel, he was clearly not looking at them as people which is really his biggest flaw.

>>149907461
Meanwhile James Gunn is like
>But, what if they were cunts and deserved to explode?

>>149923972
Why didn't Kal El want a harem of alien beauties? Every man with red blood pumping through their veins wants nothing more than to conquer a whole world and have all its attractive women join his harem.

>>149915918
>waller
the chick that had such a crush with batman he tricked some dude into becoming a bat sperm bank?

>>149905158
He wasn't right. His reasons are understandable, even sympathetic, but what he did and how he went about it were way over the line.

>>149922818
>Hamilton should have understood
no one that goes for the freaking throat deserves sympathy. You don't get to pull the good samaritan card after that, you are just being biased towards clark, i doubt bruce or flash would've acted the same way (yes, i totally believe the rest of the psycho league would've acted the same as clark, which is the point of the justice lords anyway)

>>149917953
>Whoever we killed, we wanted them to *stay* dead or it's a cheat. It was a good thing we didn't kill Ma and Pa Kent, because that would have been just wrong. So who can we kill? We can't kill off Lois, can't kill of Jimmy. We could kill off Professor Hamilton, but none of us really liked him anyway, so we figured if we killed him it would be "Oh, thank you Darkseid." So it came down to Dan Turpin.
Bruce Timm discussing the writing of "Apokolips... Now!"
Modern Masters, Vol. 3, top of page 58. See image.

>>149905012 (OP)
Why is he Doctor if he is a jerk?

>>149924278
His cousin was dying, you lunatic, anybody would be desperate when the world is turning on them for something they had no control over

>>149925442
i know is you john

>>149905012 (OP)
Could the DCAU survive a Paradooms invasion? Or would they be gored like in DCAMU?

>>149925857
They wouldn't have even survived the first invasion from DCAMU Darkseid, let alone the Paradooms.

>>149925857
>we are so edgy hahahaha so mature
sir, you dropped some blood on my kino

>>149925857
You know I liked a few of these films but god I hate that one. Why did they think to end their movie universe that way?

>>149926068
>Why did they think to end their movie universe that way?
Spite. They knew most people hated their movies. The last one was one big ragequit. Pure and simple.

>>149905158
I mean, the writers just did it cause they disliked him