Thread 149915340

What are some of the best X-Men ripoffs/inspired out there?

Been having an itch for X-Men style storylines but without the regular cast. things about ragtag groups superpowered teens/young adults, public scrutiny and fear, themes about mutation or evolution or in general quirky powers, etc. I know picrel is one but I’d like to know if there’s more examples out there, even AU X-Men stories are welcome too. anything that isn’t Wolverine, Cyclops, Professor X, the same old cast.

look no further, Japanese highschool girls banding together against a cult is all you need

why would you want more X-Men shit in the first place, isn't the metaphor tiring by now?

>>149915340 (OP)
Gen13 is gooner fuel, nothing more. I don't think anyone outside of /co/ even remembers it anymore

>>149915340 (OP)
The best X-Men story ripoffs are The Adventures of Luther Arkwright, which is a sort-of ripoff of The Phoenix Saga (not The Dark Phoenix Saga, but the one with the Shi'ar war, which is replaced by a prolonged English Civil War) and Jaspers' Warp, which is a ripoff of Days of Future Past (with parallel universes instead of time travel). Both involve the multiverse and both are far better than the originals.

>>149917412
>The Adventures of Luther Arkwright
there's telepaths and superpowers sure but I wouldn't exactly call it an X-Men ripoff desu

>>149918122
It's more for the story beats than the characters (the M'kraan Crystal and the Firefrost; Jean and Luther's rebirth and temptation, etc.), but I see it as a slightly harder sci-fi approach to the X-Men with the Homo Novus concept. But there's a bunch of other things mixed in like A Nomad of the Time Streams and The Airtight Garage.

Harbinger. Either the 1992 or 2012 one.
You can try John Byrne's Next Men.

>>149916637
>Gen13 is gooner fuel

Why do eunuchs say this like it's a bad thing? It's a good thing. All manga is "Gooner fuel" and it's better than any western comic.

>>149919291
Retarded fag

>>149916637
You're wrong, Gen13 is too immature to even be gooner fuel.

>>149916637
Its too bad that the writing of the original Campbell stories are so bad that there is nothing really worth expanding on.
Some of the characters were okay but I can't even tell you what the actual story was
Were they on the run from the government ? they just seemed to be hanging out most of the time

>>149915340 (OP)
Major Bummer was the superior "90s" comic aimed at cool teens

>>149915340 (OP)
there isnt a single good gen13 comic. if wizard didnt exist to promote them and the scam with art sales and cover orders with midtown basically being monopoly for who is allowed to be popular, no one would have ever heard of the shit comic.

>>149919930
>Were they on the run from the government ?
That's the intial premise but it quickly devolved into pop cultures references.
In a lot of ways I wished they stuck in that death valley training facility for longer.

>>149915340 (OP)
>>149916637
>>149919667
>>149919930
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>>149920270
DV8 shows how Gen13 should've actually played out.

>>149920896
What is your major malfunction?

Judd Winnick's The Outsiders for DC
DC's Young Heroes in Love
Wildcats 3.0 by Joe Casey

>>149921906
I was sold a bill of goods where I was promised a fun funservice comic and got a boring comic with some fanservice instead.
>But what about the Adam Warren run anon?
The worse, no fucking wonder this all ended with a nuke.

>>149915340 (OP)
idk

>>149915771
It's not about the metaphor but youthful revolt.

>>149924500
>revolt
That's over. Not gonna happen again.

>>149924500
not in the past 10-15 years of comics

>>149919930
>>149920270
Adam Hughs Gen 13 was everything it could have and should have been

>>149919967
Truly patrician taste!

>>149927102
so which Gen13 comic should I read? does this Hughs run have good art like the og?

>>149915429
fpbp

>>149915429
>>149928056
But that's trash...

>>149915340 (OP)
It's not really a X-men rip off in terms of content but it was definitely trying to cash in on the name.

The Atomics?

>>149918122
I hate to be that guy, but any X-Men ripoff that focuses on psychics or telepaths is more accurate to the source material than most people are aware of. X-Men comics were mostly inspired by pulp fiction stories about psychics and their conflict with mankind. Notable psychic fiction include

>the Baldies
>The Time Wanderers
>Carrie and Firestarter by Stephen King
>Slan
>Elfen Lied

Psychic fiction usually centers around how the emergence of psychics as homo superior and a new species of human poses an existential threat to humanity while psychics live in fear of being exterminated or enslaved by regular humans. They never have happy endings.

>psychics are exterminated by humans or vice versa, or everyone dies
>humans leave the planet or psychics fuck off to find a home in space
>both sides get their shit kicked in by a new third party or nature going fuck you
>humans either depower the psychics or psychics turn humans into psychics
>psychics enslave humans

The whole debate over "should mutants belong in Marvel Comics" is silly when you know your history. Mutants have a place in Marvel, it's just that without the psychic bigotry included, there's not really a reason to make capeshit psychic fiction stories like the X-Men. Without them, mutants would just be your typical metahumans seen in DC where nobody gives a shit about people developing powers, even if they're born with them.

>>149928434
nice

All the X-Men clones are better because they aren't burdened by lore and early self-censorship. X-Men only really took off in the 80s, and even then, there was a bit of self-censorship and Claremont being a fucking indulgent asshole. I'm not really a fan of Claremont's work in general.

>>149928434
Akira is so much better than X-Men, it's not even funny. It's Otomo's godlike art and plotting.

>>149928355
you would be WRONG!

>>149915340 (OP)
I'm not sure "teen superhero comic" is inherently "X-Men ripoff", you probably need to be doing the Muh Metaphor, Muh Oppression stuff to qualify for that.

>>149928434
forgot to mention other psychic fiction

>40k
>Matilda
>Akira (as >>149929207 mentioned)
>that one Twilight Zone episode
>Chronicle
>Scanners
>The Dead Zone
>Ringu
>That's So Raven
>technically NGE, MHA, MGS, and Death Stranding if you squint
>MOTHER
>Psychonauts
>Umbrella Academy

>>149919969
J Scott Campbell's art would have still sold the book

>>149915340 (OP)
>>149916637
>>149919930
>>149920270
>>149920896
honest question: what is Gen13 even about? and I don't want a one-line "X-Men ripoff from Image Comics" answer, I already know that/ what's their premise, who are the core cast and what's the driving force behind their stories?

>>149930720
First thing to note is that there's connective tissue tying to tie a lot of wildstorm titles into each other
So Gen 13 is about the children of some government supersoldiers(Team 7)being targeted and/or recruited by a shady intelligence agency.
That's the premise at least.

>>149930720
>>149931376
The core cast for Gen 13 as it were is usually these five teenagers who managed to escape the government facility they were being held at and are now on the run.
You have Caitlin Fairchild, a girl genius who used to be a skinny beanpole till her powers gave her curves and msucle. She's the most recognizable and usually serves as our protagonist and fanservice.

>>149931510
You also had:
>Roxanne Spaulding aka Freefall, the mallrat who could control gravity
>Sarah Rainmaker, a queer apache who could control the weather
>Bobby Lane aka Burnout, a white guy with fire powers
>Eddie Chang aka Grunge, a chinese slacker with absorbing powers.

>>149931579
And the driving force behind Gen13 was fanservice.

>>149931594
I don't think it's even fair to call them stories.

>>149931610
Not a lot of effort went into figuring out how all this was supposed to work. These kids just from around the country are just hanging out in La Joya as publicas you can be.

>>149931654
I have several Gen 13 books on my shelf and not once have I ever seen a plan to take down or even do anything about being targeted by the Not-CIA.

>>149932865
Not so bad for modern art.

>>149922674
Nah, it didn't end there. They just became multiversal freedom fighters for oppressed youths and shit.

>>149930720
The 13th generation of Americans since Independence.

All I remember about Gen13 is that Roxy was hot as fuck, but isn't that all that really matters?

>>149933367
it was the 90s wasn’t it? art was still good then

>>149933624
Is that what this was about?

>>149934232
anon un-post that right now

>>149934210
> 2017 on the signature

>>149934232
No, that came later, when the Gen 13 kids were clones of the originals.

>>149934717
Sorry, is this more to your liking?

>>149934842
>get nuked
>turn to goo
>become the forver people
>back to being clones
Is that the timeline?
Oh of course that all makes perfect sense.

>>149915340 (OP)
Does exiles count?

>>149934232
Let me guess, Conner only did the cover? What's she doing now anyway?

>>149935847
I’d say yes, it’s not AU but they’re similar enough. Once someone suggests Inhumans that's when we’re gonna have problems

>>149935981
She's middling anyway.

>>149937879
How dare you

>>149915340 (OP)
Scanners.

To the point that the film may have influenced X-Men's own, more dramatic development of Magneto, Young Charles and Scott's characteristics in the long run.

>>149935139
No, they didn't get nuked, or turned to goo. They got displaced through the Bleed into another universe where they went underground organising teams of superpowered youths. See the Chris Claremont series.
Ivana Baiul meanwhile used their genetic information she had on file to create clones of them in Tabula Rasa. See the Gail Simone series.

>>149931579
They weren't bad characters but writing did them no favors

>>149940131
The got a good vibe but are a bad hang.

>>149931579
>>149940131
>>149940348
White guy with fire powers was my favorite.

>>149940861
Mine was Percival Edward Chang, the secret genius CHAD who just wanted to fit in and have friends.

>>149935111
HNNNNNGHH

>>149915429
cuteness

>>149915429
>anime artstyle with no anime tropes
hate this so much. if you're gonna make the girls look like that, you need to show their panties. otherwise you're just a coward

>>149916637
I like the movie

>>149941280
Worse character.

>>149942589
Janelle aka Black Fairchild, she

>>149945075
And some bonus Gwendolyn aka Japanese Roxanne.
>written by Chris Claremont.

>>149919291
if it offers nothing outside of being gooner fuel then it's a terrible product regardless of how good the fuel may be. but /a/ fags like you are too retarded to understand that

>>149929690
I'm not, unfortunately....

>>149944877
>he cannot relate
How painfully average.

>>149935111
>Chris Claremont
Sucks as you get older you notice writers wants and fetishes. Then you can't see past them despite some of their good runs

>>149935111
>>149946269
Claremont likes ebony women? damn I didn't know he was based like that

>>149915340 (OP)
basically all of early image

>>149945976
He cheated on Roxy!

>>149934232
jesus is that supposed to be Caitlin up front, what the fuck happened to her

>>149947090
Amanda Conner happened.

>>149931376
>>149931510
>>149931579
>>149931594
>>149931610
>>149931654
>>149931678
wait so why are they even compared to X-Men in the first place? just a bunch of teenagers born with powers? I was expecting the same minority angle or a similarly Gen-Active villain cast but I'm guessing there's nothing of that sort. or at least in the original JSC run, do the later ones get any better? and what's DV8?

>>149935139
they look really cool.

>>149948081
>so why are they even compared to X-Men in the first place?
Because Gen X was popular and this was a deliberate copying of that. Worked too, Gen 13 effectively got as bog as Gen X and even dod a crossover.
>I was expecting the same minority angle
Well the idea is that they're being targeted by the military industrial complex which could be associated with the sentinel program.
>what's DV8
A gen-active villain cast.

>>149948217
I think so too, never read a single story with them so they could just look cool and actually suck but those uniforms with the little logo fits.

>>149927102
elaborate?

>>149946834
Because he's CHAD!

>>149949702
nah fuck that, if you cheat on someone like Roxy you’re automatically a piece of shit

>>149950149
Roxy is just another BPDemon, simp. You couldn't possibly understand.

>>149930151
Why the fuck are his legs so long?

>>149915340 (OP)
New Teen Titans (the original ripoff) and Legion of Super-Heroes (the original concept of young adult hanging out masquerade as a super team).

>>149950406
because he’s New, man

>>149915340 (OP)
This thread sort of made me interested in this era of comics and holy shit, I knew from cultural osmosis that Leifeld was bad, but he's really never managed a run longer than 3 or 4 issues in his post marvel career. For as much as a I saw youngblood plastered in Wizard when I was a kid I assumed it had made it at least a year or two but there's barely 20 issues of the entire thing over the past 30 years? Holy shit.

>>149929200
>X-Men only really took off in the 80s
No? The late 70's is were Claremont penned the most important things of the group and the 80's just became some self-indulgent stories after the end of the Phoenix-saga in 1981.

>>149950964
Anon, even the original Youngblood series went over 20 issues. Just admit you didn't read a thing.

>>149944877
And his name is painfully unfunny. By the time of Gen 13 release, "grunge" as a genre was in his way out and with the cultural stigma of being musically the slopest slop.

>>149948264
>Because Gen X was popular and this was a deliberate copying of
yeah but in what ways others than "teenagers with powers" was it copying Gen X? I'm genuinely curious by the way
>they're being targeted by the military industrial complex which could be associated with the sentinel program
maybe, but the other anon says they're almost never really fighting the supposed not-CIA so I reckon it wasn't a driving force for the storylines, so no minority angle
>A gen-active villain cast
oh so I was wrong whoops, figured the X-Men comparison would make more sense if they had their own version of the Brotherhood of Mutants

so all in all if I want to read about Gen13 (and not just for sexy art) what run(s) should I really care about? I know now that the original run is just fanservice that I might check out for different reasons later but story-wise what are the actual good comics? and are the characters still around at all?

>>149951271
Just read it all and report back. Shouldn't be difficult.

>>149951213
Gen 13 released in '94, zoomie. 'Grunge rock' was still a thing into the 2000's.

>>149952293
Cobain died in 1994 and by that point he was considered a sellout. 1994 was also the year that Pearl Jam was a grunge band. After Vitalogy, they started to change their sound to avoid being labeled as a grunge band. Grunge by that point was totally toothless and mocked by most of the youth.

>>149951271
There is no mutant discrimination acting as a metaphor for racism and other types of bigotry and really the association with X-men comes more from being the two series Wizard magazines the most for promotions.

>>149953028
Kinda like how Dazzler was late to disco.

>>149950382
I really can't.

>>149953028
>'most of the youth'
>zoomtard thinks he can speak for 90's kids
Hi, 90's kid here. Nobody called Cobain a sellout and we all knew that's why he was murdered. The grunge trend continued unabated well into the 00's, migrating from west to east coast and taking over Canada completely. You couldn't be more retarded.

>>149953631
>The grunge trend continued unabated well into the 00's, migrating from west to east coast
Not that anon but I feel like that can't be right.
Also Grunge, the shitty character, was more surf rat than seattle grunge with white guy with fire powers fitting more into the grunge stereotype.

>>149950980
The 70s are less about character drama (the main draw of the series) and more about adventure. Magneto is a straight-up villain in the 70s. But soap opera drama is a thing of the 80s.

>>149953631
>not a sellout
he was a multimillionaire playing in stadiums.

>>149929200
I'm not a fan either.
>>149950980
X-Men was utter garbage in the 70s.

>>149948264
>Because Gen X was popular and this was a deliberate copying of that.
Both Gen13 and Generation X launched in 1994, and Gen13 actually started first. When it was first announced in 1993, it was going to be called "Gen X", and some ads were published using that name, it sounds like Marvel believed they owned the letter X and threatened legal action if they didn't change the name.

But Marvel's Generation X was a teen hero book made in response to Gen13 already being a popular thing, and using a name very similar to what Gen13 was originally going to be called.

>>149950980
I'm not really a Claremont fan, but setting aside personal opinions on the quality of the stories in the 70s and 80s, it's the early 80s X-Men in the wake of Dark Phoenix Saga where the book became a sales juggernaut with a massive and obsessive fanbase. The 1975 relaunch wasn't an overnight success, and they were apparently in danger of being cancelled more than once in the 70s.

>>149953982
>Magneto is a straight-up villain in the 70s.
Magneto stopping being a villain wasn't something anyone was planning in those 70s stories, supposedly it's just something Claremont pulled out of his ass in the early 80s after Byrne moved to FF and blocked him from using Doom again.

>>149955060
How dare you correct me...
But no that makes some sense because I always wondering how the fuck we got to the thirteenth generation of super soliders, always made me think they had civil war supersoliders.

>>149950995
The *only* thing that makes it past 20 was Team Youngblood, which got 22 issues, and doesn't seem to have Liefeld's involvement. Original series took 3 years to release eleven issues. Youngblood Strikefile took 2 years to release 11 issues. Youngblood vol. 2 got eleven issues (weirdly 1-10 and 14?) in something like 15 months?
Everything else I see are short miniseries or one shots.

>>149915340 (OP)
WildC.A.T.s was the actual X-Men derivative, not Gen13.

>>149955526
>Original series took 3 years to release eleven issues. Youngblood Strikefile took 2 years to release 11 issues.
Those two books were originally announced as minis, Youngblood volume 1 supposedly ended on #5, and Strikefile on #4, both in 1993, but they both started up again the following year under the same numbering, both ending with lead-ins to a crossover event in 1995, after which there was just one Youngblood book. The skipped numbering was some legal issue with Diamond after Liefeld left Image, where he couldn't release books under issue numbers that had previously been solicited under Image.

The volume 2 series and most of the Youngblood relaunches since have been worked on by other people, Liefeld's done more work for hire work at Marvel and DC in the last 25 years than he's worked on Youngblood comics.

>>149953631
>Hi, 90’s kid here

>>149951331
I’m not about to waste time and effort reading it all when I already have people in here helping me out about what to read, etc. I’m just waiting on their response.

>>149957237
Gen13/Supergirl crossover by Adam Hughes.

>>149957417
thank you! so am I right in assuming the Gen13 characters are still around with DC now?

>>149953270
>more from being the two series Wizard magazines the most for promotions
ESL? or forgotten word in the middle? we may never know

>>149957810
Yeah and there was even plans to intergrate them fully into the DC universe.

>>149957907
Went nowhere but someone was still pitching this towards the latter end of New 52.

>>149957907
>>149957917
>Gen13 in the 2010s, let alone being part of New 52
they fell apart quickly once the sexy art went away and people realized the characters had nothing going for them

>>149957237
Non-reader faggot go back.

>>149957917
Is he jacking off with his tree arm?

>>149958645
>guys I don’t know Gen13 can someone tell me what it’s about or what runs to read
>lmao non-reader get out haha
can’t imagine being a peabrain faggot like you

>>149958645
are you retarded? did you miss the messages where I asked people what Gen13 was about and what comics I should bother reading? what's the point of this message other than proving how you were dropped on your head as a baby?

>>149934232
this is a massive downgrade yet I find those tits and cheeks appealing still...

>>149919967
Mahnke and Arcudi mentioned doing another Major Bummer story but that was a few years ago and ive never heard anything since.

>>149960231
damn, that sounds like a major bummer

>>149959286
Call that morning wood.

>>149945738
nuh uh

>>149961569
I like those motobike covers.

>>149915340 (OP)
>anything that isn’t Wolverine, Cyclops, Professor X, the same old cast
so I'm guessing titles like Generation X or Exiles qualify? or do you not mean 616 at all?

>>149959559
>>149960059
It's easy - just pick up some issues and read them. You don't need to be an approval faggot online to do that. Obvious non-reader is obvious.

>>149962568
>still whining about muh non-readers
fuck off dude everybody else has been kind enough to answer my questions and here you are with your bullshit

>>149915429
Awesome way to ruin my favorite team

>>149962938
I agree the Momokoverse X-Men are pretty awesome and they shit on every X-Men comic in the past 15 years

>>149962817
Not going anywhere and you can continue sucking my cock if you don't like it, non-reader faggot.

desperate for (You)'s are we? did mommy not give you enough attention you little baby?

>>149963118
Uncanny X-Force is way better.

>>149963609
meh, it was fine but nothing special. my main gripe with every X-Men comic in the past 15 years or so is how they're all same-y and never do anything groundbreaking. there's an obsession with everything being this big consequential crossover event but it always ends up being a dud and the "consequences" are rarely ever relevant or permanent. UXM wins purely by actually being fresh and also having a lovable cast with interesting writing (I added the second part because if "fresh" was the only metric then Krakoa would qualify too and I don't want that)

>>149915340 (OP)
Oh oh! I wish I had seen this thread sooner but I have the perfect answer for you: X-Men 2099

It embodies your question to a T, it's an X-Men adjacent/ripoff team of mutants that are in no way related or derived from your typical X-Men cast. They too face public scrutiny and they too form a ragtag group to rise above it all and prove themselves. And it's written by the same guy behind Doom 2099. It can be a rocky road but overall the whole run is a fun read and the best example to scratch your itch, especially since it's still a Marvel property in the first place. The 2099 lineup is pretty underrated outside of Miguel O'Hara fans (who only know him from other adaptations and not the original comics anyway) but they're solid stuff. Just remember, Metalhead is the best.

>>149960074
It's hard to explain the difference but these fats tits are different than the big boobs she normally has.

>>149964012
oh I know they're different, that's essentially a completely different character that looks nothing like Caitlin. but I still find the actual design and those tits appealing in a different manner

>>149963671
UXM is the definition of "meh, nothing special". Read manga.

>>149964425
Having those fat tits I feel is a better indicator of nerdy hot girl instead of supermodel.
>my boobs grew over the summer and now boys like me i guess
Instead of
>I'm literally oblivious to the fact I'm a hot babe now

>>149928381
I miss when comics could be this raunchy, without being completely explicit.
Nowadays in comics is almost impossible to have cheesecake on modern marvel and dc.

>>149960231
Netflix needs to wave some money in their faces for a series.

>>149960648
DAMMIT CARLOS

>>149965781
No

>>149965828
It just happened when her gen factor got activated. She used to be a skinny twig, so it made perfect sense (and way hotter).

>>149915340 (OP)
Lets say you had a good artist lined up for a new series
what would you actually write about? The original series didn't really do much story wise

>>149927390
Gen 13 issues 45 to 52 are the best of the best. Sexy and funny.

>>149967225
Yes

>>149967517
I know she had a transformation scene where she got her muscles and curves but I'm saying fat milky tits over perky busty seeater puppies.

>>149915429
So is this separate from the regular Ultimate stuff or do I have to read that first?

>>149968855
Love my perky tits. Cows get put to pasture.

>>149968920
No the fats cait tats are needed for contrast, Fairchild is already 6'4 and her bodacious muscles barely get any screentime.