Thread 149919065

Is there any merit to this or is it a load of shit? I've seen people make plenty of headcanons about female characters.

>>149919065 (OP)
This screencap is not about the people who make headcanons about characters, it's about those who complain about characters.

They always make the lo fi slowed reverb tiktok compilations for sad background male characters but they never do it for background female characters, they just get porn

summarize please

>>149919139
>Fandoms often assume underdeveloped male characters have hidden depth worth exploring through headcanons, while underdeveloped female characters are taken at face value, with little interest in expanding their inner lives or backstories, even when hints suggest potential.

>>149919065 (OP)
This so caused entirely by women.

>>149919154
I have no fucking clue what she's talking about
What exactly is she referring to? If anything female nobodies get more attention than male ones, like the Teen Titans wagie or something

>>149919154
Yeah. Sorry? Get over it, industry. Audiences approach male and female characters differently and if you want X outcome you need X characters. No matter how much you write your girl like a man or man like a girl audiences have this perception built in because it is an essential part of human nature.

>>149919227
Because of porn. Theu get sexy fan art and sexy stories and little boys obsess and dream about them because they're cute, and the fact that their lives are blank canvases broadens their appeal. But it is not because of the possibility of a rich narrative the character potentially has. It is because of the way the character looks, acts, an the context they appear in.
I agree with the author of the op on this part.

The rest where male characters are assumed to have more going on that people speculate on for fun. I see it as often as I don't. And I often see it ironically. Like a zoomed in screen cap of some random one off background
>what's his endgame?
Where as 1 dimensional characters for 1960 barbie commercials get the full lore treatment. Why? Theyre cute.

The difference is that "underdeveloped" male characters still tend to be likable or entertaining enough to get away with their lack of depth

>>149919065 (OP)
It's a load of shit.
This person is noticing how people don't tend to give a fuck about female characters who are either nothing but a love interest or a loosely assembled pile of stereotypes (as underdeveloped female characters often are), but instead of placing the blame on writers for making the characters like that, they're trying to badger everyone else into lying to themselves until the characters look like something other than what they are. They're too attached to the idea that the media they consume and the way they engage with it makes them a good person and, consequently, they don't want to acknowledge the fact that the stories they like are tainted by the writers' inability to imagine a woman who isn't unbearably bland, a raging asshole, or both.
They're probably also noticing how fandom communities that are overwhelmingly dominated by straight women, like those on Tumblr, tend to be full of hornyposting about male characters, which often includes mischaracterizing them to make them more sexually appealing. This is being misinterpreted as genuine interest in those characters when it's actually the opposite.

>>149919065 (OP)
It amazes me how feminazis live in the polar opposite of reality. Women are always treated as tragic or justified by default what the fuck kind of "extreme face value" are you talking about

>>149919065 (OP)
Maybe if they provided examples, but it sounds like typical pseudo-intellectual tumblr blather. This child wanted to be angry about men and outraged that women are being misogyny'd, so they convinced themselves of some stupid bullshit that sounded smart in the moment.

>MLP
>Moral Orel

Any other counterexamples?

Women are NPCs and the ugly ones can be safely ignored.

Male characters are used in slashfics with more words in them than the bible, female characters are lifted off the ground and fucked stupid by disembodied semi-transparent cocks in a 3 page comic.

Obviously one of those literary epics will have more thought put in the characters' backstories

>>149919065 (OP)
its true in the sense that this is how women approach characters.

>that guy surely is complex and tortured
because the woman writing about him wants to be the one who fixes him
>that girl surely is shallow and basic
because the woman writing about her wants to be the one who is noticed over her

women are the one doing this shit, they've been doing it since the first fanfic was ever posted online (and probably even earlier).

>>149919065 (OP)
fuck off with your lazy screencap threads

>men are subhuman pieces of shit
>nuh uh, women sre subhuman pieces of shit
That's what all these threads degenerate into.

I'd like to think that regular people don't give this shit anything past a cursory glance and a snicker.

>>149919065 (OP)
It's true but only for the female side of fandom. In general male gooners will focus more on their waifus and female gooners will focus on their husbandos.

>>149919065 (OP)
There's truth in this post but it's not just a male/female thing. This depends on how much the person is invested into the character. You'd probably be more interested in tidbits about your waifu than tidbits about any other random female character from her franchise.

Of course, a lot of people online and especially on /co/ seem fundamentally incapable of getting invested into any character they can't self-insert as. This >>149919765 guy seems like a good example. "Tee hee it's just a coincidence that my favorite character is always a generic milquetoast self insert underdog guy". Although the opposite is true for twitter dykes who only care about their favorite dyke-coded characters. Many people are biased retards incapable of objectivity.

>>149922561
You can't self insert as a character written by someone else, they will always have personality traits that differ from your own.

>>149919065 (OP)
not exactly. male characters who don't seem interesting don't have legions of women making up interesting details. they will simply ignore the property for imagination purposes. headcanons and non-comedy ships exist because there is generally already 'something' there to start from. media with female characters who are interesting to women also get this treatment, which is one reason why certain fandoms aren't m/m heavy or can even be f/f dominant or just plain straight ships.

>>149920612
i'd say this reads more like some twat trying to be a contrarian because they're mad that their preferred femmeslash pairing is ignored in favor of the much more interesting gay or straight pairing in whatever fandom.

>>149920559
>>149920607
>>149920612
She makes a good point, your heads are just too far up your asses to see it

>>149922320
it's because one side, cough the userbase here cough, is committed to dying on the hill "there's no way the gender opposite of me could ever be right about anything whatsoever"
it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad

>>149919065 (OP)
fandoms are like 90% women so they can blame themselves for that. if they're even complaining.

>>149922786
self-inserting has never meant to be able to fully identify with a character, you smoothbrain

it actually means the opposite, the character is so bland and without any distinct traits, you can easily "slip in". the everyman. the beta nice guy

>>149919065 (OP)
Samus Aran.
Her dialogue is extremely limited in Metroid 1 through 3 and even in Prime 1. People presumed her then to be a badass when a lot of her dialogue at the time was extremely dry exposition.
Don't get me wrong. I love Metroid. But what little dialogue she got (or gets) is pretty terse and plain and people infer a lot of her personality from this. By no means is she anything shy of an extremely strong character and the games are generally pretty amazing. But I imagine you could probably fit all her dialogue from Metroid 1 to 3 into a single post here on 4chan. Which in all honesty works to the game's benefit. It makes the games feel that much more lonely and forboding in that sense.

>>149922929
You dumb fujoshit, they're describing the very real phenomenon of women taking the most underdeveloped male characters and making headcanons and fan content to flesh him out while ignoring prominent, well-written female characters. All under the guise of "well akshually female characters just aren't written as well!!1!1" instead of being honest that they only focus on male characters because that's what their pussies want.

>>149923159
meanwhile 99% of fan creatives continue unbothered by this person's annoyance that they aren't making the content she wants.
>>149923227
not a fujo or even a woman, but
>they're describing the very nonsensical thing they made up to pretend boring female characters with boring traits are just as interesting as male characters allowed to have a much wider variety of features
you're an idiot. you can't even argue her point or disguise that you're just having a tantrum about women; she's specifically and explicitly NOT talking about well-written female characters but rather about blank slates, because in the case of well-written characters you don't need to elaborate on what makes them good in the first place.

>>149923186
That fits Mario to a T, he was literally designed to be a blank slate everyman, but nobody self inserts as Mario.

>>149919154
I'll take "problems that only exist in my head" for 500 Alex.

>>149923060
No you didn't and no one is impressed by your sanctimonious wailing.

>>149923227
Give one example.

>>149923143
YTA
>one side
You're not helping.
>inb4 le cringe centrist fencesitter
Fencesitter means I'm undecided. And I've already made a decision. that being, 90% of you need to drink bleach.

>>149919065 (OP)
This entire board disproves this dog shit opinion

>>149919227
It's the kind of comment that really needs some specific examples if it's not going to come across as random whining for attention. The absolutely overwhelming majority of fanworks in almost all fandoms are about the major characters or significant members of ensembles, with exceptions for things like certain manga with built-in ships (sports manga etc).
>Why do they keep writing about A and B?
>Because there are four main characters and those are two of them.
>Why not the other two, where one is a girl?
>Because those two actually got together in canon and the story gives you their full relationship.

>>149923305
It describes several Nintendo protagonists as described above, including Samus. Link also comes to mind.

>>149919299
Male characters have that but it's not from male fans, it comes from female fans who think the male characters are hot and want and need the context of all those backstories and relationships and whatnot to get them going. Female characters don't get the same thing because the guys who lust after them don't really care about more than a design they find attractive combined with a shallow personality trait (tomboy, bimbo, etc.) they find attractive which is mostly reflected in the way the female character looks and poses. In other words, male and female fans get off in different ways which affects the way the characters they're attracted to are viewed in terms of depth.