Thread 149920315

Hey you want some more Avatar MTG news?

Avatar prerelease numbers are kicking the shit out of the Spiderman prerelease numbers in popularity and demand. The products are selling for way more on TCGplayer than the Spider-Man products even with the rumors circulating that the licensing deal with Disney fell through and so Spider-Man will only have one print run. That FOMO ain't doing shit, no one cares about Spider-Man. Everyone just wants more Avatar. And the Avatar set hasn't even been fully spoiled, these people don't even know what they're buying and they're still buying it in droves.

This shouldn't surprise people, because anime (which many consider Avatar to be despite its western origin) is more popular than western capeshit.

People are surprised though because Spider-Man is considered by many to be 'mainstream' and Avatar is seen as niche.

Have a Toph.

And here's all the spoiled cards so far if you missed previous threads but are still curious

https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=color&q=set%3ATLA%2CTLE&unique=art

>>149920315 (OP)
I'm surprised they didn't use the Bender type, and instead half of all creatures are Allies.

The Spider-Man set for comparison

https://scryfall.com/search?q=set%3ASPM%2CSPE&order=rarity&as=grid&unique=art

>>149920439
I'm glad they got so many actual comic book artists for the set.

>>149920374
Allies have a lot more support built in already

>>149920315 (OP)
No, no I do not

>>149920439
Wait, how the fuck isn't Peter/Spidey the rarest card? Why is Anti-Venom?!

>>149921784
they're both the same rarity. Peter Parker/ASM will probably get a serialized version, though.

When is the Spidey set out? I don't collect nor know a thing about Magic The Gathering but these are at least neat to collect

>>149920315 (OP)
>Avatar prerelease numbers are kicking the shit out of the Spiderman prerelease numbers in popularity and demand
Still lower than the final fantasy set and final fantasy is fucking shit now

>>149920315 (OP)
I hope that your favorite franchise becomes a zombie that exists to be a walking ad for other IP so you can understand what its like to see threads like this.

>>149920439
The Enforcers, Stegron, Spider-Rex, Starling, Ollie Osnick, Shift... some surprising deep pulls.

>>149921897
Next month.

>>149921897
Spider-Man releases September 26, with the prerelease event a week earlier and some products being a little later. Here's the official page

https://magic.wizards.com/en/products/marvel/spider-man

and some details about specific products

https://wpn.wizards.com/en/products/marvels-spider-man

>>149921965
it's happened to me so often that I'm numb to it at this point. Also mtg has been ruined since Commander became the focus.

>>149921965
Someone is mad Magic whored themselves out

>>149921957
>Still lower than the final fantasy set
well yeah, nothing can hold a candle to Final Fantasy in terms of brand strength. Apparently Final Fantasy made WotC more money in one day than their Lord of the Rings set made in several months. Lord of the fucking Rings. That's a once in a blue moon kind of thing though, everybody knows nothing will ever top Final Fantasy and no one has any illusions about trying.

My big worry is that, following this logic, they'll just start making more Final Fantasy mtg sets.

>>149922119
yes?

>>149922131
No I get it, but I think the bigger issue is oversaturating the market. They should be doing these gimmick sets once or twice a year instead of dumping them all at once. They'd have a higher revenue turnout. Same could be said about Pokemon sets

>>149922121
Spider-Man as a brand is theoretically stronger than Final Fantasy so I don't know why that specifically btfo every other set they've ever done

>>149921784
Yeah everything with the same colored symbol is the same rarity. (in theory, there's no way for us to audit this of course). red is mythic rare, gold is rare, silver is uncommon, black common.

>>149922173
>Spider-Man as a brand is theoretically stronger than Final Fantasy
Teah that's what people generally think, marvel is the Big Brand worth a ton of money and recognition. And yet...

>>149922173
FF was first Standard-legal UB set, so there was extra hype going into it, and the consumer fatigue of a new set every two months hadn't quite set in yet.

>>149922067
What's supposed to come after Spider-Man? Avatar looks like it's supposed to be near the very end of the year so surely something has to fill the space between the two.

>>149922121
They usually talk about their crossovers years in advance. The only crossover we had gotten news that was supposed to be a multi set thing was the Marvel stuff. Spider-Man and general Marvel stuff. If they do decide to do more Final Fantasy we probably won't be seeing it for several years. I'm more curious as to what's going to happen with the Marvel sets that were supposed to be coming considering the rumors of rumors going around. Don't think any of those one set rumors had a real source but the news has spread around a lot.

>>149920439
>All those cards shilling Miles
>Fucking Spiderpunk gets a bunch of cards
>Ben is only in one alternate art

Oh, fuck off.

>>149923551
Ben fucking sucks, not even a Milesfag

>>149920439
Seeing as they made infinity stone a type, surely they'll be adding the rest.
But they do seem like a really odd choice for a Spidey set.

Why can't Toph just be mono green? I can understand the avatar cards being multi colored but the others?

>>149920315 (OP)
Honestly I'm just surprised that Nickelodeon went with Avatar for their first MtG set instead of Ninja Turtles.

>>149920315 (OP)
Didn't bumi know metalbending?

>>149920439
>One infinity stone
Are they doing 5 more marvel sets? I can't imagine how bad the rest of them will do if Spider-Man can't beat Avatar

>>149923482
Naw it's Spider-Man end of September and Avatar end of November. 2 months to breathe.

>>149923551
Spiderpunk only got one card? It's just variants of the same card. What would they even do with Ben anyway?

>>149923642
She is mono green. There's at least two versions of her that we know of. One is mono green the other is naya. There's a good chance there will be more. Katara has like four or five and so does Aang.

>>149923722
>2 months to breathe.
This has to be a lie. They've had a set every month all year. There's no way they're actually going to take a break in between the sets. It would be a miracle if Wizards actually learned restraint.

>>149923551
we haven't seen all the Spider-Man cards it, we're still in spoiler season for it.

>>149923828
I know it feels like the set releases are constant and endless but it really has been one every two months.

Aetherdrift - February 14, 2025
Tarkir: Dragonstorm - April 11, 2025
Final Fantasy - June 13, 2025
Edge of Eternities - August 1, 2025
Marvel Spiderman - September 26, 2025
Avatar: The Last Airbender - November 21, 2025
Lorwyn Eclipsed - January 23, 2026

>>149923911
That's STILL a lot

>>149923642
The important characters are getting multiple cards to represent their different points in the story. Katara's cards are a pure blue for the start of the series, blue/white for book 2 when she's learned healing, and blue/white/green for book 3 when because idk I'm sure their internal logic makes sense for it

We've got a red zuko for book 1, we've seen art for book 2 zuko but don't know the card yet, and book 3 zuko is red/white/black

Blind Bandit toph here is pure green, and Metalbender toph which comes later in the series is green/red/white. Maybe there'll be a two color toph in the middle somewhere. All of this can be seen in the OP link

>>149923911
Oh so it was every other month. When you say two months I thought you were saying there was a two month break entirely between sets. Every other month makes much more sense. Thought for sure we had more small releases like Innistrad Remastered throughout the year but I guess we didn't.

>>149923674
nope. he broke out of his metal cage by bending rocks to smash it. couldn't do anything to the metal.

>>149923911
That's still 50% up from what it used to be.
We used to get 4 sets a year with some complimentary stuff on the side every once in while. Now we get 6 sets, most of them with their own full commander releases, and a plethora of random shit on the side.

>>149923999
I should have said "each set gets two months to breathe before the next set comes in" and really it's 8 weeks which is slightly less than two months but yeah, I know it feels like overload, I get it too.

>>149922121
>well yeah, nothing can hold a candle to Final Fantasy in terms of brand strength.
Tell that to the FF7 remakes, lol

>>149923716
I think there's a generic Marvel set coming late this year or sometime next year

>>149920315 (OP)
>the rumors circulating that the licensing deal with Disney fell through and so Spider-Man will only have one print run
They've already said MTGA/MTGO will have all different art and names. I'm waiting for the announcement of what Legally Distinct Arachnid Person will look like because as an exclusively Arena player those are the cards I'll be playing. Thought I thought the Spider-Man cards being "Spider Hero" but turns out they are "Spider Human Hero", wanted full on spider people
>>149921897
About 36 days

I don't really read comic books but this made me intetested so I looked it up. But apparently Mary Jane only ever wore thie Iron Spider suit for a couple pages in one issue.

What's up with that? Why'd they stop? Why even have female characters if you're not going to keep them in skin-tight body suits have them fight crime?

>>149924072
and FF16

>>149920315 (OP)
>rumors circulating that the licensing deal with Disney fell through and so Spider-Man will only have one print run
Where is this even supposed to be from? This time last year we were getting news that Magic was getting multiple Marvel sets and Secret Lairs and now their first set falls through? The fuck happened and where is the source for all this?

>>149923997
I hope we at least get a Gruul Toph. As far as I understand the supposed reasoning was supposed to be following the character's journey over the course of the seasons of the show. So characters that were introduced in book one would have multiple while characters introduced later could have less and less.

>>149924285
Just rumors and whispers from insiders, no checkable source or hard confirmation. It would make sense though, Disney being Disney would surely want a bazillion dollars for licensing any of their properties, especially Marvel of all things, while other properties like FF and Avatar were probably dirt cheap to acquire. I imagine Disney was trying to charge WotC too many arms and legs compared to the deals WotC was getting elsewhere, and considering nothing Disney can possibly offer would outperform FF, it wouldn't make sense to pay more would it?

That's just my line of logic

>>149924769
Yeah but all their demands for money would have happened years ago when the deal was first being hashed out. By the time the cards and bundles would be hitting the print factories things would have been discussed and all legal agreements would have already happened years ago. The idea that things would go under the month before the cards are about to hit shelves is insane sounding. It's just moving way way too fast for legal things. You get me? It doesn't make any sense for this all to just go under so fast. Unless something happened that changed things and it was big enough that Disney or Wizards demanded immediate change even if that would go against their previously agreed on contracts and whatever fines and repercussions that would come with going against it. But it just doesn't make much sense. If things were this rocky between them we'd have heard about it the whole year after the initial rumors came out and it wouldn't have made sense for Marvel sets to be a multi year thing if things were under already.

>>149924857
Well here's what we know. Disney gave them a license to print X number of Spider-Man cards on paper (but nothing digital). Why wouldn't WotC be printing Spider-Man on their digital platforms? The only reason can be Disney wanted too much money for that. You can extrapolate this to assume Disney would have also wanted too much money to license 4 or 5 print runs of these cards, so WotC only paid them for one, decided to wait a bit to see how much money it looked like that woud make, then decide if further licensing was worth while.

This would be the pragmatic thing for WotC to do, and the lack of Spider-Man on Arena or MTGO supports the idea that WotC paid for as little licensing as possible up front. So likely the agreement was for one print one, with the option to pay Disney more for more print runs if deemed that was the way to go. And it probably was not deemed the way to go.

>>149924986
>You can extrapolate this to assume Disney would have also wanted too much money to license 4 or 5 print runs
I don't think you really can. They've said before they can reprint these sets and precons before and have even done so sporadically since their releases. Online likeness I can see being a whole separate licensing thing with how hyper focused licensing deals can go. Like the difference between six inch figures and seven. Disney demanding Wizard's pay for each printing just doesn't make as much sense. Doesn't make any sense really. That's price Wizard's takes themselves in the factories and doesn't actually cost Disney anything.

>>149925061
Well Disney plays by different rules than everyone else when it comes to their IP. I think that's just common knowledge by now.

We're getting FF and Avatar on digital platforms because those companies just said "yeah sure, give us a bag of money and you can print as many little cardboard pictures as you want, digital, paper, we don't care" but Disney, oh no, they wouldn't do that, you know they wouldn't do that. You're going to pay for every drop of ink, every pixel, they're going to count them.

>>149925157
That still doesn't sound right but I guess there's no real telling what the fuck is going on behind the scenes. In a sense, I'm surprise Disney even allowed Magic to print Marvel cards when Disney had their own cardgame going on the whole time. Could have been seen as a conflict of interest but an opportunity too good to pass up.

>>149924986
>Why wouldn't WotC be printing Spider-Man on their digital platforms?
It could be that the existing license for Snap has something in it about exclusively.