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Anonymous No.149921127 >>149921292 >>149921332 >>149921662 >>149926009 >>149926052 >>149927159 >>149928595 >>149930168
ITT
shows that feel like industry plants
Anonymous No.149921248 >>149921569 >>149930901
That's why indie is taking over
Anonymous No.149921292 >>149922549
>>149921127 (OP)
i don't think you understand what industry plant means
Anonymous No.149921332 >>149921351 >>149921453 >>149921536 >>149921590 >>149921964 >>149926423 >>149928866
>>149921127 (OP)
This show horrifies me because it's too close to home, like a social experiment. Like someone is looking to see how I respond to this before making another move. More likely they're conditioning us, but UBI is only sustainable when billionaires and companies are taxed more. Why would they want that? The purpose must be to instead sour us on the idea of UBI before the conversation happens. Make the characters stupid and disgusting so you recoil at the notion of people getting paid not to work.

I hate thinking about it. I hate that I have to think about it.
Anonymous No.149921351 >>149921399 >>149926254
>>149921332
>adopt A(ctually) I(ndians)
Anonymous No.149921399
>>149921351
>"AI" licensing is actually cheaper than paying for everyone it replaces
Even if it's a new avenues to outsource, the results are the same.
Anonymous No.149921453 >>149921529
>>149921332
the characters having ubi almost never comes up in the show
its just a show about people from jersey
Anonymous No.149921529 >>149921844
>>149921453
It's in the title.
Anonymous No.149921536
>>149921332
If I'm remembering correctly Universal Basic Guys was originally meant to be a live action show before getting reduced to a cheap cartoon so I don't think you have to worry about it being a social experiment
Anonymous No.149921569
>>149921248
I want a gay porn parody of the New Norm called The New Porn, where a fat conservative keeps walking into queer sexual scenarios, and he's flustered by them, and his based black friend comes over as well to avoid the gooning spread saying "I came here to get AWAY from the Stroke" and then they FUCK.
Anonymous No.149921590 >>149921806 >>149922188 >>149926187 >>149930163
>>149921332
>if only the government would steal from others and give it to me than I'd be happy
Anonymous No.149921662
>>149921127 (OP)

That would be Krapopolis
Anonymous No.149921677
Hey what if we didn't talk about the politics of the opening post and just did what the thread was about? What if we realized no one's mind was changed by a debate on 4chan and just didn't respond? What if we were okay with someone being wrong on the internet? Like, really wrong? Remember, no one's mind is changed by a debate on 4chan so why bother replying?

Or what if we just posted porn in politics threads and got them deleted faster? If you're gonna get a three day, why not get it for something someone appreciates? Why not do anything else but yap about political theory?
Anonymous No.149921806 >>149921833 >>149926232
>>149921590
This last election had "I CAN'T AFFORD GROCERIES, RETARD" memes flying in support of Trump. This isn't about being happy this is about having a place to live and food to eat. Oh yeah and I guess when we get around to it, having the ability to start and support a family.
Anonymous No.149921833 >>149921875 >>149922500
>>149921806
>gibs me dat
>this will last forever no problems
Anonymous No.149921844
>>149921529
so you can read, whats your point?
Anonymous No.149921875 >>149922165
>>149921833
>shows chart showing increasing food prices are just for compensation and payouts
Lower food prices, lower payouts, take a stock market hit or tax them more and help the people this is harming. Give them reason to keep prices low and maybe people will have more kids.
Anonymous No.149921963 >>149922161
when did this thread turn into schizo /pol/ posting i thought we were talking about cartoons?
Anonymous No.149921964 >>149922215 >>149922524
>>149921332
Taxing the rich only works if it's univesal. Every state, every country, or at least the countries worth a shit. Because California proves that if you go overboard in taxing the rich, they'll just move out. They can afford to. And if you go overboard in taxing the rich all over the United States, they'll just move out of the United States.
Anonymous No.149922161 >>149926297 >>149926370
>>149921963
The english-speaking world is going through a collective crisis of validity. Our economies are held up by willpower and general ignorance. Our leaders are increasingly incompetent, authoritarian, beholden to holy castes no one respects, or all three. We've scuttled our current religious framework without a proper replacement causing a vacuum of belief filled poorly with 'science' as a centrist option (ie peer reviewed studies supported by legacy media) and all sorts of fucking nonsense elsewhere. Reform is essentially a non-starter, as there is no popular force in any political machine to enact said change as all are controlled top down by said holy caste mentioned earlier. Insurrectionary forces are squabbling amongst each other in the age of information that both is the fertile ground for an Enlightenment Age or even a Revival, but everyone's talking all at once and said fear of the reach of authority has everyone squabbling over the idea that everyone else is a trick.

All of that context bleeds into every and all expressions of culture so no broad topic is not a point of conflict that can be avoided by art or popular media, especially when all art is political has become a standard banner for the most radical on all sides. Roads? Political. Money? Political. Faith? Political. Travel? Political. Cartoons? POLITICAL. SEX? OH THAT'S VERY POLITICAL.

None of this is going to change any time soon, and no one is going to be happy with it until we've had a Jacobin-style force to enact so much change we're exhausted by it and we run to a palate cleansing popular autocrat (No none of the presidents in the last 100 years have been that, not even close) before a new status quo emerges and we can all just get excited for consensus-appeasing product again. So buckle in, this is what every and all threads will be like from now until that happens. Sorry that's just how the human condition works.
Anonymous No.149922165 >>149922327
>>149921875
>>shows chart showing increasing food prices are just for compensation and payouts
The chart does not prove this.
Anonymous No.149922188
>>149921590
This but unironically.
Anonymous No.149922215 >>149922524
>>149921964
>And if you go overboard in taxing the rich all over the United States, they'll just move out of the United States.
Good thing the US is the only country with a world with a very extensive exit tax.
And where would they go?
Some third world shithole to be stabbed?
Europe to be taxed even harder?
China or Russia to be disappeared when they criticize the party?
Anonymous No.149922242 >>149923153
People do realize this show is making fun of UBI right?
Anonymous No.149922327 >>149922433
>>149922165
It does. Egg prices aren't a simple matter of supply and demand meant only to keep operations running, surplus value isn't reinvested in the company or given to customers as better deals, it flows out as CEO payouts and stock dividends.
Anonymous No.149922433 >>149922465 >>149924397
>>149922327
If the market, via the shareholders, decide that paying the CEO more is the most efficient use of that money then that's what it is. Why would you cripple the company by lowering prices for customers or investing in your suppliers?
Anonymous No.149922465
>>149922433
>then that's what it is.
Fuck that noise.
Anonymous No.149922500 >>149922573 >>149922619 >>149930817
>>149921833
>get white collar job
>get fired and replaced by AI
>get mcdonalds job
>get fired and replaced by touchscreens
>get slave labor job
>get fired and replaced by Indians
>ask the government for help
>LOL NO HANDOUTS COMMIE
Anonymous No.149922524
>>149921964
>>149922215
Trump's tarriffs literally already proved that the govt is perfectly capable of big-dicking corporations
Anonymous No.149922549
>>149921292
none of these people do, it's a tiktok word zoomzooms picked up without fully understanding
Anonymous No.149922573
>>149922500
The great part is that the Indians replacing you will vote Indians into the government
Anonymous No.149922619 >>149926279 >>149926298
>>149922500
BAG MY COOKIE CRISP, ART BOY
Anonymous No.149923153
>>149922242
its not really doing that
its just a fat idiot husband show but in jersey
Anonymous No.149924397
>>149922433
>lowering prices for customers or investing in your suppliers?
Because all of us are workers and consumers. Working to improve quality of life for everyone is a better goal than giving CEOs more.
Anonymous No.149926009
>>149921127 (OP)
Bro, every single show IS an industry plant. unless its indie
Anonymous No.149926052
>>149921127 (OP)
3,000 USD every month is really trash,
Anonymous No.149926187
>>149921590
it doesn't even work, if you gave every adult 2000 dollars a month, the cost of living would just inflate by 2000 dollars. Rent, cost of groceries, gas, any market selling essential goods to consumers who now have X number of extra dollars to spend will simply increase their prices because their products are essential. A UBI would only serve to increase the numbers on the bills, because people living in poverty is a part of increasing profitability. Unless you solve some core problems in capitalism, you can't eliminate the suffering because it's profitable for the common man to be suffering.
Anonymous No.149926199
It's like one of the worst titled shows I've ever seen. Not Only does "Universal Basic Guys" just inherently sound retarded, but trying to paint the show as dudes on "Universal Basic Income" doesn't even work because they are getting paid by a company, not the government so it's NOT Universal Basic Income.

It feels like some retarded exec at fox read an article about UBI and then was like "HEY WE GOT THAT POPULAR CARTOON CALLED FAMILY GUY RIGHT? LET'S JUST CALL THE SHOW UNIVERSAL BASIC GUYS THEY'RE BOTH ABOUT GUYS RIGHT?"
Anonymous No.149926204 >>149930118
> Fox animation abomination
Anonymous No.149926232
>>149921806
I still can't afford eggs.
Anonymous No.149926254
>>149921351

> There was a little guy inside r2d2
Anonymous No.149926279
>>149922619
https://youtu.be/k3Pjgs9I9Ns?si=S_1MVK7gHVTpGwjl
Anonymous No.149926297
>>149922161

I try not to think about politics since a pleb like me cannot do anything about it so I watch cartoons.
Anonymous No.149926298 >>149926681 >>149926866
>>149922619
Forget about random fags on the Internet making cartoons with AI, South Park was explicitly using AI to make fun of Trump in a recent episode.

Keep in mind South Park is like the cheapest, most low effort animation out there and they STILL decided to make part of the episode AI. But I dunno I guess they can just claim they weren't being lazy they were just being ironic or some shit LOL!
Anonymous No.149926370 >>149926474 >>149927762
>>149922161
The U.S. just desperately needs to break up into seperate regional countries, like the Pacific Coast Republic and The Heartland and Greater New York. Empires this big don't last very long, we've had 250 years, and that's pretty much as much as we're going to get.
Anonymous No.149926402
CUPCAKE MAN I'M THE CUPCAKE MAN
Anonymous No.149926423 >>149926507 >>149928146
>>149921332
This
This show is pure well-poisoning

Also, UBI is genuinely a good idea in theory, but it will never work in practice because it involves humans
Anonymous No.149926474 >>149927511
>>149926370
>Empires this big don't last very long
The Roman Republic lasted almost 500 years and then then the Empire lasted another 400 more. CRISES happen at about this time, yes, but that's more likely to just transition us into a new government format. The breakup's later.
Anonymous No.149926507 >>149926635 >>149926700
>>149926423
it's not a good idea, it will only inflate the cost of living because there are no price controls. Give people 2000 dollars, and the cost of living will increase by 2000 dollars because businesses will know that their customers have more money, guaranteed, so the expense floor rises accordingly. It might take a year or two, but the market will balance out because the poverty isn't a number problem, it's a systemic problem. Suffering increases profitability, so you can't fix it by just pouring more money into that pool.
Anonymous No.149926635 >>149926690
>>149926507
It would require a vast reevaluation of the notion of homes as not an asset but a right of the people. Food too. Consumers should also be seen as a perfectly acceptable position of citizens in a society that has so advanced it physically doesn't need many people to work.

Post-scarcity would require new technologies, a sort of baseline food supply that's delicious and nutritious enough to compare with anyone able to consume it. It feels like there's room for corruption of a reduction in quality combined with it, but unironically, if McDonald's really isn't profitable to sustain, then some of the military money should be put to nationalizing the damn thing. How much would it actually cost to make the stores work, profits damned?
Anonymous No.149926641
Ignoring of course that what they have in the show is not really UBI and is more just like severance / redundancy pay, the show is really just using it as an excuse to explain how the characters are able to get into expensive hijinks in each episode whilst having a lot of free time.
Every episode is pretty much just
>what can Mark get obsessed with using $3000 this week???
It's not really a commentary on the viability or whatever of UBI.
Anonymous No.149926681 >>149926846
>>149926298
Tbf I'm pretty sure that's baiting since Trump a while back basically signed an order against deepfake shit.
Anonymous No.149926690 >>149926943
>>149926635
>How much would it actually cost to make the stores work, profits damned?
An excellent point. I saw a (admittedly rather cringe, but incisive on this point) post on Tumblr about how you can tell a problem industry when the service provided is notably expensive, and the people doing the work are notably poor. They used healthcare as an example, in that medical care in America is extremely expensive but Nurses are notoriously underpaid, as is private education and fast food service. The ever-increasing cost does not get translated to the workers, and that's the first scent on the air of an industry that needs to be strung up and beaten out by the federal government, either reworked, re-regulated (like finally fixing the tipping thing) or nationalized (preferably hybrid-nationalized, where the feds provide a version of the service but there's room for private companies to provide superior service).
Anonymous No.149926700 >>149926782 >>149926826
>>149926507
Looking in the longer term though, say we improve automation to the point where most people legitimately don't need to work. Hell I'd say in first world countries we're partially there with so many people working pointless email jobs. How do you adjust our society to such a world where most people are superfluous at least in the eyes of economic production?
Anonymous No.149926782 >>149926826
>>149926700
you nationalize a few under-profitable hotel chains, turning those always-too-empty four story hotels in every secondary city into public housing, charge 20% of your income per month as long as that 20% is over a certain minimum, and then give everyone food stamps, universally, which fill to double the monthly amount and then cap, and it's just universal, if you have a social security number and are over such age, you get like 300 fake-ass food dollars every month. Nobody has to actually exchange cash, you just swipe the card and get some bread or whatever. And if you want to spend it all on cereal? Fucking go ahead, no hoops, no losing it, it's just a right. Combine that with basic healthcare like through the ACA, and suddenly those people can just sort of float around, and if they work part-time jobs, good, save up some money, move into a proper apartment, or just sit in that converted motel room and drink mountain dew and play call of duty. If you want anything that isn't food-related, you gotta earn that money. Pretty basic.
Anonymous No.149926826
>>149926700
also, >>149926782
forgot to mention, the reason why I think we should nationalize those shitty hotel and motel chains is because they're already built, need very little work, and the actual cost of upkeep is minute. Have a few cleaning jobs and some maintenance guys, the same people who are already overworked and underpaid for the same work, and just make them government contractors. It doesn't need to be glorious 100% perfect work, it'd actually be an improvement on the experience. We're not talking expensive hotels, we're talking about like Best Western or whatever. Just buy the whole chains out. It'd cost a sliver of what we spend on persecuting the homeless.
Anonymous No.149926846 >>149926859
>>149926681
Like most of modern South Park is just Matt & Trey being lazy trolls.

Look at how many seasons (no not episodes, full on seasons) was just them joking around about TEGRIDY FARMS.
https://youtu.be/MYTw7eS7eBU

Being a South Park fan is like being a sado-masochist since Matt & Trey are constantly telling their fans "HEY FUCK YOU". "Oh you dislike the Randy episodes? WELL FUCK YOU THIS IS NOW THE RANDY SHOW LOL FUCK YOU".

"WE'RE SOUTH PARK WHICH MEANS WE'RE SUBVERSIVE FUCK YOU"
Anonymous No.149926859
>>149926846
>WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING VERY BIG BRAINED AND SMART BY MAKING OUR SHOW SHITTY LOL FUCK YOU
Anonymous No.149926866 >>149926924
>>149926298
Didn't they confirm it was a really convincing stunt double a while back? Heck, they even showed his wiener was Trey's finger.
Anonymous No.149926924
>>149926866
Trey Parker is 55. He seems like an old dude that got fascinated by AI like it's some sort of dark magic. This is at least the second episode they made about AI. And I doubt it will be the last.
Anonymous No.149926943 >>149926962 >>149926987
>>149926690
It's why I think the model could be done with a failing, mildly irrelevant but still iconic part of Americana first, such as fast food. A national standard of cheeseburgers, chicken nuggets, milkshakes, fries and fish or chicken sandwiches.

It seems almost silly, but food is an essential service to the people, why not use the infrastructure already provided to make a national service that provides food (and jobs) for people? Maybe even make it free for people out of the state (provided you're actually 50 miles from your home state's border, no just jumping the border to the other Texarkana McDs) to encourage traveling inside America. People would be more likely to spend money on travel outside of their state, knowing a good hot meal is always available to them and their family. More money that could be spent back on local services, like hotels or attractions. Of course if we're talking that, then Amtrak being cheaper could be on the table too. If it didn't need to turn a profit, the services could be better, and the function could encourge intranational travel while also off of the highways that are properly used for transport of goods and services.

I don't know how to market this idea or if there's pitfalls but nationalizing icon industries could open people's minds to tackling the great beasts, and also provide a test kitchen, pun intended, for the pitfalls of such a service. Worst case, fast food just goes private again, not really a big loss.
Anonymous No.149926962
>>149926943
Government Cheese

Government CheeseBURGERS.
Anonymous No.149926987 >>149927077
>>149926943
especially if you allowed the McDonald's corporation to continue to exist and profit off of the brand, but the actual running of the actual stores, payment of employees, quality and standards, all that goes under a federal oversight and the McDonald's corporation can still sell merchandise, trade their shares, like you genuinely give them a golden parachute and just headcrab federal control onto the existing corporate body. I like it, it would be a great option. More jobs, better hours, better pay, less redundancy, better quality product for the consumer, better prices, it literally couldn't fail because it's all already in motion. Let the executives continue to play pretend so they don't resist.
Anonymous No.149927012 >>149930203
"Adult" cartoon idea.

> Cute artstyle
> minimal Swearing
> jokes are not long and elaborate, but they are very specific issues that are dramatized like a guy getting his pocket stuck on a doorknob or something.
> cutaways like family guy except they are cleverly done, like they will play in background of the conversation
> characters are not overly rigid and have wide range of emotions.
> true assholes are hated by every character and are forced to leave or are berated and bullied relentlessly until they leave on their own.
> Premise of the show is an interdimesional war between humans and elves

> normal guy who has a curse placed on him making him secretly work for the elves. He also has an elven roommate named Hannu, who is goofy and the elven equivalent of autistic

I know this sounds retarded and cheesy but what else would make a good "Adult" animated comedy?
Anonymous No.149927077
>>149926987
Yeah, let them lean into the Ronald McDonald brand for toys and merch, maybe even a TV show again, so the charities they do also have that good name. Fun clown for kids is easier to sell when it's not directly tied to fast food. They could still even work on the Happy Meal toys kids get for their meals. Maybe. I don't know what the logistics on that would be but Ronald McDonald's Playplace could be a new market on the arcade and afternoon activity void that Discovery Zone left.
Anonymous No.149927159
>>149921127 (OP)
Ihate seeing promos for any of these "shows" during comic con
Anonymous No.149927397 >>149927424
Anonymous No.149927424 >>149927489
>>149927397
god damn that is some impressively shitty animation
Anonymous No.149927489
>>149927424
Should've called it Universal Basic Animation.
Anonymous No.149927511
>>149926474
>the Empire lasted another 400 more
I think you mean 1400 more
Anonymous No.149927762 >>149927790 >>149928330
>>149926370
FDR had it figured out. You make up government agencies that build bridges and schools and hospitals and pay them an actual, real, living wage that can support a family, while reigning in private interest or making them subservient to the government/public (as it should be). But after 1950 the Democrats had shifted and both parties had a desire to repeal everything the FDR administration built. That is part of the reason the 50's is so admired by boomers, they grew up in a golden age the Government made. It could easily be remade, but no one sniffing power has any interest in anything close to that.
Anonymous No.149927790
>>149927762
we're so fucked, bro
Anonymous No.149928146
>>149926423
>because it involves humans

who says humans are gonna be in charge?
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x27dau3
Anonymous No.149928246 >>149928608 >>149928875 >>149930186 >>149931853
My wife likes to put this on and I think it’s the most unfunny, disjointed show imaginable. And this is coming from someone who still watches modern Bobs Burgers, though I finally had to drop American Dad a couple of years ago because it was just getting too terrible. Anyway, I don’t know how this shit stays on air.
Anonymous No.149928330
>>149927762
This. There was a high rate of unions membership in the 50s, 1 in 3. Nixon formed the EPA. Funding and making government jobs competitive while taxing and enforcing regulations would cut into stock profits and CEO payouts, but ultimately workers and consumers would win. Now the stock system and reliance on the finance industry had that one republican politician voting against the Pelosi Act asking "I don't want to be poor", arguing he gets to do insider trading because making $170,000 a year makes him poor and he needs to supplement that with day trading, gaming the system he governs.
Anonymous No.149928595
>>149921127 (OP)

Amazing digital circus. Its just more esoteric programming.
Anonymous No.149928608 >>149930186
>>149928246

It got cancelled recently thank christ.
Anonymous No.149928866
>>149921332
the show isn't really about ubi
most of the episdoes revolve around a fat idiot from jersey doing hairbrain schemes
i feel like the creators just wanted to make a show about people from jersey but needed a "hook"
Anonymous No.149928875
>>149928246
the show somehow to be a zombie show from its very start
every other line from the characters is just them making an inane reference to pop culture
Anonymous No.149930118
>>149926204
yes
Anonymous No.149930163
>>149921590
If you knew anything about how the monetary system and capital markets worked you'd know it'd just be stealing back.
Anonymous No.149930168
>>149921127 (OP)
Anything with a white kid protag and wacky sidekick. Especially if they're ginger.
Anonymous No.149930186
>>149928246
I was ready to hate it and actually ended up liking it. They overexplain jokes, but I don't care, the set ups are relatively clever and I just need something moderately funny on a Thursday to ease the pain. The fact that it's also quite wholesome and without BB's penchant for gross-out jokes is juat the cherry on top.
>>149928608
Oh, that makes me sad.
Anonymous No.149930203
>>149927012
I'm not feeling it anon, but maybe if you storyboarded some jokes it'd hit.
Anonymous No.149930817
>>149922500
all of poltiics can be summed up as "I want people I dont like to be miserable, even if it means I have to be miserable too"
Anonymous No.149930839 >>149931311 >>149931463
All these complex systems and economies aren't gonna change the fact that humans need to feel better than other humans. UBI would allow too many people to be happy, EVEN IF it worked without a problem, people would INTENTIONALLY ruin it for everyone. And by people I mean the elites. What do they stand to gain from increasing quality of life for everyone? Nothing. But they gain a lot when they lower everyones quality of life- it makes their lives better and more sweet by comparison.
Anonymous No.149930901
>>149921248
the indie shit is terrible too. of the fuck-trillion that have come out in the last few years I've only liked 4 and half of them are basically dead/in limbo.
Anonymous No.149931311 >>149931590
>>149930839
>the fact that humans need to feel better than other humans
I get what you're saying, but this armchair sociology is overreductive. I agree with most of what you're saying, but profit motive is about improving your conditions generally, what's normal hardly factors. Part of the appeal of greed isn't that you see everyone as "trying to be the happiest", but you're seeking security and control, security through control. Billionaires are major factors in politics.
Anonymous No.149931463
>>149930839
>the fact that humans need to feel better than other humans.
I don't know that that's a fact. Capitalism and modern society tries to cast things as biological truth that are actually... not. Our way of living today requires the digitization of analogye truths that aren't actually the distinct categories we're told they are, but a spectrum.
Anonymous No.149931590
>>149931311
Adding to this, there's also a separation of "the elite" as a bunch of millionaire politicians and teachers instead of the billionaires who have more influence and control over politics than any one elected official or a collective of teachers. Billionaires are assumed to be hapless victims of the whims and ideals of politicians and would actually solve our problems better if unrestrained. That's why the Colonize Mars marketing pitch is important to this project: it creates the narrative that, despite all the government funding, cooperation, support, and contracts, it's government holding back the advancement of mankind and it's billionaires who elevate us.
Anonymous No.149931853
>>149928246
The lesbian schizo doomsday prepper Grandma was pretty based, in my opinion.