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What do you think of An American Tail (1986)?

Fivel's voice is very annoying
The movie is very good
"No cats I america" is very annoying
The animation and backgrounds are very good
It's multicult propaganda
Bridgette is hot

>>149923119
She's called Bridget.

>>149922813 (OP)
So are we going to have a wowwie?

>>149922813 (OP)
Don Bluth animation style used to scare the living hell out of me. Especially the villains, they actually looked evil and grotesque. The themes and stories were also overall, very mature. I miss his style and I wish I could have experienced it more of it as an adult

>>149922813 (OP)
Been meaning to say but anyone else hate Fievel's father? Keep in mind that he has a full grey beard and all his children are pre-teens. So he comes across as some old man creep because he impregnated his wife when he was already old. I just don't like old men impregnating young women. And I also hate Fievel's father being so idiotic because cats do exist in the American continent. Even kids watching the movie would think Fievel's father is an idiot because where would he get the idea that cats don't exist in America? Makes no sense that a mouse character is that foolish.

>>149925432
Fieval’s father seems like a really fun optimistic and jovial guy to be around and also a good husband and father trying to do the best he can for his family.

Who gives a fuck if he’s old? He’s been living a hard life in Russia trying not to get pogrommed to death, that ages a guy faster. And his wife doesnt seem any younger than him. I don’t know where you got the idea he’s married to a younger woman, did you confuse his daughter for his wife? Maybe they’ve got adult kids who already moved out of the house and these are just their most recent children, maybe they had more kids who died. That’s not your business. What kind of weirdo goes around saying a happily married man shouldn’t have consensual sex with his own wife?

And yeah, he made a mistake, buying that propaganda that there were no cats in america. It’s not like he had internet to go look it up on, he was following a rumor that turned out not to be true. America was still probably a better option in the long run for his family than staying in Russia.

>>149922813 (OP)
I'm impressed that the guy who produced this also made the Chucky films and Dark Water.

>>149922813 (OP)
>First day in America
>Get molested by a Frenchman who tells you not to say "No"
You'd think he'd be a bit more traumatized by getting groomed

>>149925764
He had literally already had been growing up watching his neighbors get lynched, a diddling is nothing after that. He got half drowned to death on the boat ride over.

>>149922813 (OP)
Favorites, plus I have the soundtrack on vinyl.

>>149926193
I hope you have a vinyl player too.

>>149922813 (OP)
Great movie. Or well, good movie anyway.
Excellent animation, fun historical setting.
I also liked the sequel where he goes to the wild west, that was cute.

>>149927543
Were the other two just a dream?

>>149927129
I do
>>149927543
The animation in the sequel works well in the wild west setting.

>>149922813 (OP)
Adorable little pogchamp

>>149922813 (OP)
I like goes west more

>>149922813 (OP)
Jewish American propaganda that glazes Capitalism with anti-Communist notes to make sure Jews won't be blamed for Communism

>>149930446
It took this long for such a post?

What's the deal with using mice as an allegory for Jewish oppression?

>>149928554
Where does it say that?

I still want my Orient-Tail with adolescent Fievel. Other than that, it’s the one movie that makes me want to be a dad. Also, haunting clarinet music.

This is risky to ask but uh
Mega? Asking because sound is fucked on Apple TV

>>149923119
My only complaint is the “Keep Walking” scene. Otherwise, Fievel is a cute kid.

>>149930707
There’s a straight to video sequel that starts with Fieval waking up in New York and he says he just had a crazy dream where he got to be a cowboy.

>>149931282
The point was that the family had to go back to New York. The team just took the lazy approach.

t. never watched the 3rd film.

How do mice in New York even know about Sheriff Burp in the first place? It’s not like he’s from a comic book (or pulp novel in this era) and I doubt low-middle class families had the income to get California newspapers imported all the way to the other side of the country.

Fanart I've seen of Fivel's dick shows him circumcised, which is a nice touch.

>>149931950
We need more circumcised boys.

>>149932513
Seconding

>>149931595
There’s still people who exchange mail or get visits from people out west. It took a little longer for travel back then, but it wasn’t like a dark age where travel and communication were cut off. Plenty of time for urban legends or celebrity gossip to make its way across the continent. And yes, that stuff did get published in magazines and the like, even if it wasn’t local.

In the real 19th century/turn of the 20th century, real New Yorkers knew about people like the real Wyatt Earp.

>>149931595
>>149933816
This is an image of the Boston Daily Globe posting an article about Earp on their front page in 1896.

New York City no doubt had similar papers posting similar articles, but this was one of the clearer ones I could find from Google that weren’t just his obit, and I don’t feel like digging all that deep today. My point is: national and even global news was still a thing back then. Street urchins like Fieval could dig week old discarded papers like this out of the literal garbage and read them, provided somebody in their friend group was literate.

>>149934261
Tony probably picked up newsie work on the side and got to scan headlines for free.

the sequel was better

His grandpa is hot

>>149930858
Would've had potential

>>149935113
That’s his dad.

>>149935219
> researching Meiji era history for a sequel that will never happen

>>149922813 (OP)
Been having an itch to watch it, but it's not on any streaming stuff and not free on youtube any more.

>>149935945
Torrent sites are you friend.

I've only now realized that it was up to us the audience whether we wanted to call the MC of this film "Fievel" or "Philly".

>>149930464
Using Shrew would be a bit too much on the nose.

>>149937060
I mean some parts of the movie could be taken as commentary. And one part shows how immigration offices will anglicize your name for the hell of it. Although I could be reading too much into it. But now I can’t stop thinking about Philadelphia.

>>149928566
There's a good argument for An American Tail being James Horner's best work. Shame it gets almost no recognition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjN2jIar72w

>>149934603
I always thought the sequel was way too short but looking it up, it wasn't that different from most animated films around that time. Still feels like it's a bit too fast moving

Maybe it could have done more with the cats living in peace with mice thing, fievel's sister convincing a bunch of the cats to give up eating mice and the film ending with her and the girl cat doing a number together to an audience of cats and mice.

>>149937738
>Although I could be reading too much into it.
Id hardly say that considering Bluth made this film particularly to showcase the struggles of immigrant families in America, especially back then

>>149937930
I mean, that, but also because Bluth was self-aware of how his work ate at the time he had for his family, and he channeled part of that regret into the film.

>>149937927
Gonna say it: Tanya looks better in the original. The bandanna just works.

Watched it when i was little, but completely missed that the entire premise was about them being a jewish family escaping Russian during civil war. What a pozzed cartoon from Don Bluth.

>>149938122
Yeah. Looking back it's a lot of "woe is me" shit.

>>149938122
>Jewish
>pozzed
Go back to /pol/

>>149939609
No. Shut up. The comic and cartoon industry is being besieged and its just too heckin bad for you that the realities of who and how hurt your feelings.
Bluth wants us all to cry about the plight of the poor jewish immigrants who make up 40% of billionnaires and have a plurality presence in ivy league universities.

>>149939906
Anon, the Jews of the 1880s aren't the same Jews of the 2020s.

>>149939906
>le epic based GrOyPeR deliberately going into thread about thing he doesn’t like
At any rate thanks for the bump, faggot.

>>149939924
>I know this due to my watching of An American Tale
How about this. You win. You win the debate because I'll just get banned for trying to argue with you.

>>149939966
Wrong. I'm >>149923119

>>149938091
I prefer her here, plus it's such a great song

>>149931255
An American Tail is definitely the comfiest-looking movie out of Don Bluth's entire library

>>149930909
>it's risky to ask for a "pirated" copy of a movie from 1986
You're such a complete faggot it's insane

>>149931576
TMS did the third film and it's much better then those Land Before Time sequels, in fact the 3rd film is actually great due to TMS being in charge of it.

Go watch it, same with the 2nd one.

Avoid the 4th one.

>>149940000
If you know any 140-year-old Jews then I'm sure Guinness would love to hear about them.

>>149940136
Look either give me the mega or don’t

>>149937749
I find it amazing ( and not in a good way ) that it took so long to actually get the complete entire soundtrack. The score for Fievel going to sleep the same as the hundred other orphans is peak sound.

KITTIED

>>149940855
FELINE’D

>>149928566
at least you didn't buy one of those shitty suitcase abominations>>149930073

>>149940053
Saw a reply long time ago that the dot eyes look better and I have to agree. The irises in FGW just look pale & uncanny.

>>149934261
> provided somebody in their friend group was literate.
Need to see Fievel and whatever NY friends he had ( if he had any besides Tony ) first discovering Wiley Burp.

My sister and I loved this movie when we were little, and she was always very shy, but liked to sing and was too embarrassed to do it in front of anyone. When we were supposed to be sleeping, I'd often hear her softly singing Somewhere Out There in bed. I always tried to encourage her, but I think I was the only one who ever heard her sing.

>>149941452
Were you the older sibling, Anon?

>>149940172
Does Tony ever get much development?

>>149931595
Penny novels?

>>149941911
Yeah, Penny Novels.

>>149941513
Actually, we're twins, but I'm the oldest by 5 minutes.

>>149939906
Don Bluth is Mormon.

>>149922813 (OP)
>movie only happens because kid character is too much of a retard to obey a simple order
I hate it.

>>149941911
>>149941977
Penny dreadfuls to be precise, as seen in RDR2..

>>149931255
Watched this movie so many times as a youngin and I had no idea they were supposed to be Russian

>>149941852
cry baby

I’M HEARING CONFESSION TONIGHT

>>149922813 (OP)
dumbo if he a mouse

>>149922813 (OP)
It was one of my favorite movies as a kids. I watch it fondly today.

Found this on internet archive.

https://archive.org/details/an-american-tail-original-1986-theatrical-vrersion

>>149947565
Good thinking, laddie.

>>149938122

The film actually takes place in 1885, so 32 years before the start of the Russian Civil War.

>>149941452
That's cute. Is your sister still too shy or did she get more comfortable as she got older?

>>149948697
What happened to Russian Jews during WW1 and the Russian Revolution?

>>149950815

They were of divided loyalties like everyone else. Many, especially the secular and revolutionary-minded ones, fought for the Reds, others for the Left SRs, the Whites, the Greens, the Blacks, or for national independence such as Ukraine, Poland, and Georgia.

>>149922813 (OP)
Haven't seen it since I was a child, but I used to love it.

>>149922813 (OP)
Favorite movie by Don Bluth. Would have had him sign it, if I could find it in time.