Thread 149927239

Why hasn't Silver Sentry become a main stay of TMNT media

2003's legacy gets passed up for 1987, when the kids who watched it are a better aged market currently, idk why

>>149927302
2003 is the TMNT I grew up watching

>>149927302
2003 is the best TMNT show period, and i say that as a big fan of elements like ooze mutants and other fantastical shit from the 87 cartoon and mt favorite character in tmnt is krang.

Also i watched the 1990 movie in theaters this afternoon and i genuinely think its the best ninja turtle content ever. It had no right to be as good as it was

>>149927351
you and I are friends now, Anon
It really is an amazing movie. cleverly written, working so hard to be something deep.. as a kid it's just "whoa, pretty cool, but I like the 2nd one more because it's funnier" then you grow up and you realize "oh.. this movie was about fatherhood, and surrogate fatherhood, and how parents everywhere are terrified of bad influences on their kids, without realizing those bad actors are taking advantage of how distant and absent fathers are. it's YOUR damn fault for not being a good dad, and you gotta step it up and father your damn kids.

>>149927755
>you and I are friends now
O-okay anon *glomps you*

Also 1990 raph is the best ninja turtle

>>149927859
god damn right. god, I haven't been glomped in ages.. I always hoped a girl would do that for real, and I made sure my muscles were strong just in case.
It's kinda unfortunate how like, comics raph was NOT going to translate to a saturday morning cartoon, so they basically gave him Mike's personality. Sarcastic, witty, always ready to mock something boring, which left Mike kind of lobotomized. Like he still loved comics and tv, but not because he had an active ADD brain that wanted more stimuli, just because he was a brainless surfer dude.. and sadly every version of MIke since, even 2003 and 2007, followed suit. NOBODY but the movies got him right.. he's SMART, dammit. It's just, Don is the kind of smart where you set him to a task and he finishes it, Mike is the kind of smart where he can't stand being given a task he has to stick with, and would rather be coming up with something else. And they even kept that in the two sillier movies, Mike actually got time to shine a bit in the third. My man Robbie Rist..
meanwhile Raph had a different voice in each movie, but they were all doing the same thing, and all got time to shine. I am so stoked to have Neca's movie TMNT toyline, just because.. man, now I can set up "a little too raph" if I want.

>>149927859
>O-okay anon *glomps you*
Oh fuck I just deaged like 17 years

>>149928346
the best of times, the blurst of times.

>>149927239 (OP)
Because he's not interesting.

>>149928429
It's funny, after decades of pushy 'inclusion' bullshit, I genuinely enjoy every time I see a black superhero who is just 'a regular guy who happens to be black'
this guy, that one in Invincible who is basically Batman... uhh Mr. Terrific.. Icon.. I shouldn't care, but it's just nice.

>>149928459
>uhh Mr. Terrific
Most shoehorned character since Black Panther

>>149928480
no, that would be Cyborg
Mr. Terrific is cool. that said, didn't see that movie. looks like shit.

>>149928480
also black panther is cool, he was just a lot cooler with the cape. and it's a shame he died before he could interact with the FF. He always worked best with the FF.

>>149927755
Such a good movie
Splinter talking about fatherhood to Danny is a real tear jerker

>>149928573
I saw the three movies with my daaaad. it was wonderful, we bonded. he had nightmares about tokka and rahzar. I wanted to take him to the 4th one but we just never had time, work fucking sucks.
What always got me, as a kid with a lot of rage, was Splinter telling Raph how he is fighting a battle with anger all by himself. He doesn't tell him 'stop' he just says 'since you're going to, don't forget us'

also the jokes were great. every moment with Casey Jones was intensely memorable. He was sorely missed in the second one, and it would have been great seeing him bounce off of Perry and comment on how these new mutants aint as smart as the old ones.

>>149928708
I have alot of anger too and that scene you mentioned got to me as i rewatched it in theaters yesterday. I also almost cried when mikey was crying after splinters astral projection scene. I wish i saw the rerelease with my dad. I was hanging out with my mom tho and she fell asleep thru most of it unfortunately

>>149928346
I miss 2007 too

>>149927239 (OP)
its kinda wild how all the other superheroes in the 2003 series just never get adapted elsewhere.

2012's Shredder was better than 2003's. There, I said it.
2003 Shredder
>Turtles can match him after 1 season
>"Oh but he tortures Baxter Stockman" and then never has any of that cruelty towards his actual enemies
>Never inflicts any long-term consequences
2012 Shredder
>BTFO's nearly everyone he fights for most of his appearences
>Actually killed Splinter, crippled Leo for several episodes, and ran the turtles out of NYC for a whole season as well as the whole "Going to space" arc

>>149931269
We never left.

>>149932329
>crippled Leo for several episodes, and ran the turtles out of NYC for a whole season as well as the whole "Going to space" arc
2003 did that too

>>149927351
Yeah even though 2003 has some faults, especially towards the back half, it was really fucking good overall. I grew up with reruns of the 80s cartoon and I liked it fine but I think 2003 is just outright the best animated adaptation we've gotten, so I don't think it's just nostalgia or anything.

If there is one thing from the 2003 series that should become a staple it is Bishop. He was that iteration of the TMNT's best contribution to the IP.

>>149928459
>>149928480
>>149928490
>>149928509
I'm just grateful that for the most part they are just giving existing black characters their chance instead of making white characters black. Raceswapping is paradoxical, because it infers that black people cannot stand on their own without basically stealing a white characters past and accomplishments.

>>149928346
kek

>>149933277
....He?

>>149927302
1987 will always be peak

>>149927239 (OP)
It's weird 03 the only show that really touches on the superheroes from the Mirage comics.

>>149932329
I don't think bro watched the 2003 show

>>149929718
yeahh i miss my dad..

The first TMNT movie is the only good TMNT content.

>>149931363
Nick TMNT has zero interest in doing any of Laird's stuff, they only want to do Fred Wolf's stuff, that's why they bought the whole franchise.

>>149932329
2003 shredder was hamstrung by 4kids limitations but he was still badass. he kept upgrading his suit. he wasn't about being an unbeatable ninja master (hell even in the first movie, Shredder admits three of them could have beaten him if they just worked together and sacrificed one) but a conniving alien who's been waiting hundreds of years to get the fuck out of here and conquer. i like that.
>>149933299
yeah they do seem to be pulling back from the racebending in capeshit at least.

>>149935148
Nope

>>149927302
2000s kids don’t have money. 90s kids barely have money.
The generation of kids who grew up in 1980-88 were the last to squeal out a decent economy and do-little jobs, you have a ton of guys in their 40s who lucked into tech and office jobs in the 90s/2000s who are still obsessed with their 80s childhoods.

>>149936727
seriously, i look at what my mom does and it's like, yeah the meetings are boring, yeah everyone there is a fucking moron, but when you COMPLAIN that you have long stretches of nothing to do but watch TV... that's.. and you get paid how much?
Every job I've ever had has demanded every. single. second of my time focused on work. No downtime, you are expected to be on it every moment if you want your 13 dollars for the hour.

>>149927351
I just wish it didn't change things like Shredder

Or that it didn't punch down at the 87 Turtles

>>149927302
TMNT as a brand will always be plagued by 80s nostalgia. Even during 2003s heyday, you had grown ass adults complaining "WERE ARE BEBOP AND ROCKSTEADY! WHY IS SHREDDER KRANG!"

>>149936830
they had to do SOMETHING new beyond just adapting the old comic. I think it was a bold and brilliant move. it helps that he had the most vicious, solid personality. Zero joke to him, so even though he was Krangesque, he had zero Krang to his personality.. and given that everyone who read the comics was expecting Utroms to show up, I don't think any of them expected and EVIL utrom. like why not? they can't literally all be good.

>>149936830
how can you possibly call it punching down?
80s show still has everything, all the fame, all the attention, it still has the 80s actors getting to be in things. that was SOLIDLY punching up.

>>149936830
I love aliens alot and 2003 was one of my first TMNT media i saw so i liked utrom shredder

>>149927302
>>149936870
80s nostalgia is eternal, they even ignore pandering to people my age who want 2000s nostalgia just so they can push more 80s nostalgia

>>149936888
Punching down might not be the right term but the crossover basically did everything it could to make fun of the 87 show

>>149937178
Why does she have two of the same Bionicle.

>>149937178
there's no 2000s nostalgia

>>149937247
iunno but she is cute and I would date her.
where are the single nerd birds who are not 900 pounds

>>149938279
Wrong

>>149938298
there were a few good 2000s shows but nobody wants to be back there if they had the chance to be in the 90s instead.
good 2000s shows were a consolation prize. yeah sorry life sucks but here. Lilo and Stitch.

>>149932329
Shredder was never the end-all be-all Turtle enemy for all time. The turtles offed him and his brother, Nagi, then they started having to deal with alien incursions and other bullshit in the comics. Only the tv stuff tried to keep Shredder around forever as the main bad guy.

>>149934031
Yes, Bishop is Male. The posted picture isn't Bishop, that's Starlee.

>>149938293
Dude, she looks 13. Pretty sure YOU'RE mid 20's-30's. Fuck's wrong with you?

>>149933173
He really didn’t.
Leo was out for 3 months and spent a good chunk of episodes with a crutch.
He also is the entire reason behind the turtles needing to go to space, as he killed Splinter and got the Earth blown the fuck up

>>149937178
God I'm so sick of my own childhood.

>>149938389
Honestly Shredder works better as the end all be all because he’s got very personal beef with the Turtles and Splinter especially

>>149936830
Rise is hot garbage

>>149934159
I did. Shredder in 2003 does horrible things to his minions but he’s comparatively merciful to the guys he’s actually fighting. He even does shit like peace offerings.
Meanwhile 2012 is almost always long term consequence after long term consequence.
>Mutates Karai, who spends a multiple seasons as his brainwashed slave before putting her in a coma
>Kills Splinter twice, the former of which caused an entire arc about going to space or something I forgot
>Cripples Leo, putting him in a 3 month coma and he needs a crutch for several episodes
>Kidnapped and handed April over to the Kraang, therefore enabling them to perfect the mutagen so they could invade NY, and later still causing her whole psychic possession arc
>Also kicked the turtles out of the sewer in the process, as well as reducing Splinter to a feral state so the turtles were without their mentor for a long time.

>>149938279
>>149938372
>there's no 2000s nostalgia
Youre full of shit anon

>>149938775
NTA but I don’t feel nostalgic

>>149938792
That sounds like youre fucked in the head then. The 2000s is miles ahead this awful god forsaken time period

>>149938809
Like, it’s weird. I watched Ben 10 when I was a kid. But now I’m just “Eh, that was a fine show” and move on.
Although that’s probably because my tastes changed as time went on

>>149938747
>>Kills Splinter twice
the fact that it happened twice kinda kills the argument that it has long term consequences.

>>149938923
The second time did

>>149936768
There's still do nothing jobs out there for people in their 20's, but the caveat is that it's all likely to be a house of cards doomed to be toppled in a second if it's considered expendable(and lack of seniority often results in such).
For people over 40, they've been at it long enough that they're more likely to be secure in their position until retirement. It's all made up bullshit positions like Senior executive of accounts management or vice president of information administration that are just notches of bureaucracy

Never ever

>>149938389
Yoshi ended Nagi.
I always liked that in the backstory, it's sad most versions simplify him out. Because what makes Shredder vs Splinter so great is it's two men both getting revenge for their slain brother/owner, when they have no real personal beef with each other beyond that, and each kind of earned his fate.

>>149938410
Pretty sure you're under 25 if you think that's strange. Look up the scientific studies, my dude. pro tip: don't read anything from the 21st century.
I also assume since you don't find her cute, you're either female or gay (either way mentally ill), so... that'll add to it.

>2003urds are crying about '87 again
Another day that ends in "Y." You retards did buy the recent toys, right? The one shot getting out of '87's shadow that you had? Or did you useless asshats squander it as usual?

>>149938775
an anomaly. a rarity in its day. it felt like a leftover from 1998.
>>149938809
being better than the 2020s is not grounds for nostalgia, dude.
>>149939418
yeah i assume i'm too old to qualify for those jobs, both for lack of energy and, yknow, because i'm "problematic"

>>149939706
man I really don't like those joints.
I don't understand why they don't simply glue the kneepad to the floating knee hinge (you DO have a floating knee hinge, right?) and then paint on the straps.

>>149928346
This but in reverse

>>149936662
yep

>>149940186
that's what happens after something old de-ages you
you bounce back and it hurts. you want to stay.

>>149939706
I plan on getting them I just haven't yet. They're so much more articulated than most Ultimates figures and you can tell Super7 put their best people on these.

>>149940204
Wrong

Bump

I like the character design in this show.

>>149942390
I like it better than, say, a Man of Action show, but less than things from the 90s, or later like, 4°C-animated stuff

>>149927239 (OP)
I wish he got in shredders revenge

>>149927239 (OP)
Dunno. This guy appears to be more fitting in the X-Men universe than he does at a series that revolves around Japanese culture and NYC accommodations.
QRD. What are his powers again?

>>149942919
hey that would have been pretty cool.
SR did seem like it was kinda welding everything together. it had Karai, it had toy-origin characters...
>>149943122
he's basically Superman
Anon, I don't know how to tell you this, but... TMNT is meant to take place in approximately the Marvel universe. Their origin is Daredevil's origin, the same canister of ooze. That's the joke. It's like, up in the city above, spandex-clad musclemen punch each other. Down in the sewer, TURTLES of all things are learning ninjutsu.

>>149940697
Nope

>>149928459
>Icon
>'a regular guy who happens to be black'

Anon, please. I agree with your point wholeheartedly but please.

>>149944083
admittedly I know little about him beyond his origin, but I like that an alien landed on earth and was automatically form-imprinted on whoever found him
so he's literally black for no reason except to be adopted by those people. he's a riff on how lucky Superman was that he landed next to people who not only looked like the same species, but were also the right color for him to blend in with. and how utterly meaningless race is as something assigned to characters, especially aliens.

>>149944205
Anon, come the fuck on. Seriously. Do you fucking think that any Milestone characters were black 'just because'?

>>149944297
Well Static sure as fuck wasn't, but he also wasn't obnoxious or anything, he just fit the setting.
I wasn't aware Icon was Milestone, I just know his backstory, and how it was meant to comment on the pointless of race in alien characters and forced black inclusion. He has no connection whatsoever to anyone's 'struggle' and no particular emotional attachment to it either.

this, and the fact that his sidekick has the adorable name of Rocket, are ~all that I know about him.~ so if any of this is wrong, please actually correct me, rather than asking if I'm being serious.

>>149944340
Well, anon, Icon is a Milestone character. So he wasn't black 'just because.' It was deliberate choice by a black creator working for a black comic book company to sell to blacks. Him being black is absolutely the point and his background fails if he's not black.

I think the 'purpose' of his background falls flat and the notion that he's only incidentally black falls flat in the wider context.

>>149944483
that's dumb. you're dumb, anon.

just.. just go away.

>>149944483
Chrissake, I obviously meant in-universe. You can speculate on the reasoning all you want, this is what I read was the statement being made. you can just think whatever. go ruin other people's good time at fucking midnight.

>>149927239 (OP)
What about nobody, my homie?

>>149944893
Batman?

>>149944893
nobody rules, and his backstory is amazing (I remember Batman in JL actually explaining that same story from the Odyssey) but his costume needs another pass.. I think the hands and feet part sof the gloves and boots should be black, and there should be a red belt.. and maybe thigh stripes, and a red cape interior?
>>149944903
that's the idea, yes. it's largely marvel parody, but new york's heroes include a batman and a superman. plus a guy with weird metal hair and...

>>149944892
Right, right. And Miles Morales just happens to be mixed race in-universe. Don't be a dumbass.

>>149934059
Keep the coloured headbands and April’s 87 design.

The rest can be thrown away.

>>149936830
If anything it was punching up. Laird had the right to be so pissed at Fred Wolf considering he tried to wrestle control of the franchise away from Mirage. Besides, it’s not like their portrayal was really contradictory to what the 87 show was like most of the time.

>>149943424
The Foot Clan is a play on "The Hand" from Daredevil, even Shredder’s design resembles Silver Samurai.

>>149945038
>the guy who makes a fucking massive deal about his 'heritage' is the same as a guy who literally exists to embody it not mattering
again, if i'm wrong about that, correct me. don't just say i'm being naive about some secret hidden thing that we fucking know is going on and you're a tard for bringing it up when that obviously isn't the subject.

>>149945099
well, not past season like, 4 anyway

I have ALWAYS held that Turtles Forever takes place in the ~toy commercial universe~
think about it
>wrong voices
>shallow characterizations
>a perpetual and conflicting status quo ("we're ALWAYS rescuing April", Technodrome being underground but April being menaced by pizza monsters, etc)
>calling it the party wagon instead of the turtle van

>>149945157
Holy fuck that makes more sense

>>149945474
those old toy commercials have their own weird nostalgia. they even have their own separate version of the theme song with a different tune. Possibly weren't allowed to use the TV theme for ads?

>>149928480
Why do I get the feeling you're the type of casual fan who never read the comics but was exposed to the film adaptations instead?

>>149936830
They made the 87 turtles look like a bunch of pussies.

>>149928429
Really? I never watch an episode where he is in it. What was he like over there?

>>149939711
>being better than the 2020s is not grounds for nostalgia, dude.
It is for me...

I hate the 2020s even more then i hated the 2010s, and that is saying something. Fuck this future