Thread 149930922

Is capeshit finally dying?

I liked it desu

>>149930922 (OP)
It’s will unless the comic movies show drag and exciting ideas and not be predictable cookie cutter.

>>149930922 (OP)
MCU broke trust in it after years of Disney+ slop. They absolutely will have to go above and beyond for diminishing returns to go back to regular billion box offices.

Funny how every Disney movie the last 15 years has a 200m budget

>>149930922 (OP)
>what went wrong?
Nothing. It was fantastic

>>149930922 (OP)
5 years of self-destructive decisions in the lead upto a reboot of a much disrespected and fundamentally vandalized extremity of the Marvel universe that they spent the last decade pissing all over because "hahaha werent those movies gay and shitty!!!" coupled with a dogshit cast and everyone being sick of the genre at large because of the past 5 years worth of dogshit shows and movies.

>>149930922 (OP)
The fantastic 4 just aren't that interesting.

>>149930922 (OP)
It was fine, but the past few films really must have put general audiences off from going to see more of these.

>>149930922 (OP)
>What went wrong
Nothing, it's the best comic book movie in years. Also isn't 2.5x the budget considered decent?

>>149931028
Say that again you piece of shit I fucking dare you

>>149931042
>much disrespected and fundamentally vandalized extremity of the Marvel universe
How is the Fantastic Four disrespected and vandalized? They didn't make Reed a cuck or anything like that ffs.

>>149930922 (OP)
>Is capeshit finally dying?
>A new Fantastic Four movie performs like a Fantastic Four movie
What the hell were you expecting to happen? We've had three of these things before.

new mcu will never be old mcu. just like new homestuck will never be old homestuck. we have moved on

They need to stop churning out cosmic slop or super soldier movies that are practically indistinguishable from the last. The F4 movie should've been about Subterranea or something.

Hell I'm still out here saying that they could've done the post-endgame era well if they just made the directors read the comics they were making films for. Imagine if the Shang-Chi movie was a secret agent kung fu film set in a world of heroes and monsters.

>>149931050
This. The F4 are good as side characters, maybe a cartoon, but they can't hold a single movie together.

Shame that marvel can't get their ducks in a row with their animated marvel series because F4 is made for a cartoon series format.

>>149931010
Less than 25% of the marble releases made $1B (or more); and of those, two used nostalgia bait from prior Sony/Fox movies to make it over $1B and another one of those is a Sony Spider-Man movie. Of the pure marble/disney movies, 25 have not make a billion, and of those 13 didn't even come close with 11 of those 13 not even making it to half a billion.

There have been 16 movies since Endgame, including two Sony Spiderman and the Fox branded Deadpool Wolverine (essential DP3) and if you take those three movies, the other 13, not even half made 3/4 of a billion or more, and the rest were either major bombs or barely broke even.
Eight - or the vast majority of the Marvel movies, not even clearing half a million, many barely clearing $400 million (and these are all worldwide numbers).

>>149931028
It may be Fantastic For you but notfor most people.

>>149930922 (OP)
Less people go to movies now. That why almost nothing makes big bank like ten years ago. The studios haven’t adjusted to it yet because stuff like Lilo and Stitch and Avatar 2 made a bundle and executives think they can still gamble on a massive hit

>>149931508
> Less people go to movies now. That why almost nothing makes big bank like ten years ago. The studios haven’t adjusted to it yet because stuff like Lilo and Stitch and Avatar 2 made a bundle

that is a counter-point. they just have to find the right angle. F4's big problem was that a) it came out after jurassic and superman, that's 3 big releases every 2 weeks in july. and b) it's a smaller brand than either. they should've gave more breathing room and went august unopposed to swapped with thunderbolts.

avengers will be fine as will spidey, so next year prepare for the we are so back posts. i think chapek did more damage by forcing more le content than quality and iger realized that and they've scaled back. quality wise both tbolts and f4 were better

>>149931394
>and of those, two used nostalgia bait from prior Sony/Fox movies to make it over $1B
DP3 and what else?

>>149930922 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Bendis.

It will be on VOD soon then

>>149931151
>reed is Hispanic
You don’t decide this if this is or isnt a valid problem.
>Sue looks 45 and ugly
Again you dont decide whether this is a valid complaint or not.
>silver surfer is norrin’s wife because “she was one time in the comics, Chud!”
Same thing
>doom doesnt have prior history with reed in fact he’s just Tony stark from a bad universe or something
This is indisputably retarded
>ben doesnt sound like he’s from queens, or New York at all
Nitpicking but certainly not exactly a faithful representation of the character.

Finally, by starting with galactus and skipping their origin you’ve sliced off pretty much all of the meat and bones of the characters and left an empty husk. Reed’s entire obsessive mindset comes from his mistakes leading to ruining Ben’s life and wanting to fix that and make sure such a mistake never happens again. You skip he and sue not being married and yet continue to call her Sue STORM rather than Richards - in the 60s as if that isn’t ridiculous.

The only thing that was good was the costumes.

>>149931955
I agree about the Doom part and starting with Galactus, but everything else is minor shit and nitpicks.
>skipping their origin
Good. No one wants to see another origin story. It was already adapted several times.
>leading to ruining Ben’s life and wanting to fix that and make sure such a mistake never happens again.
Again, refreshing to not see them retred the same "FUCK I'M A ROCK!!!!" drama for the millionth time.

>>149930922 (OP)
It had a really strong opening but then cratered its second weekend which typically means there’s an audience for what was put out but the audience didn’t take to it. I didn’t see it since it’ll just be on Disney+ in a month anyway so I can’t say what soured the audience

>>149932047
>I don’t like the fantastic four so I don’t mind all the changes they made.
Thats cool, you dont decide what other people find important though. This is the same type of conceit that has lead to the MCU’s recent underperformance.

I wanted to go see it but nobody wanted to go with me. I used to go with my family, but my brother hates Marvel movies now and refuses to go and my parents are getting older and barely want to leave the house anymore. I could go alone, but the only theater showing it now is in another town so it'd be a drive. I'm interested in the movie, but not enough to go out of my way to see it on the big screen.

I wish Marvel movies were strong still (and movies in general). It was fun back in the early days of MCU when practically every movie was an event with lines around the theater. Now the good theater in town is closed down, and the other theaters are usually empty.

>>149932047
>marvel shills spend literal years trying to convince people the prior movies are awful
>now they treat them like required viewing because “t-t-the origin was already covered”
>yet these same shills running MCU adamant control are also trying to claim it’s not an MCU problem it’s just that the FF simply aren’t popular - which would mean nobody has been so inundated with the origin so as to know it and want to skip it
Beyond this people dont go to a movie based on what is in the movie - because they haven’t seen it. They choose whether to go based on the cast and what is in the trailers. The cast being ugly and old looking, definitely played a major part. Pascal being divisive - whether you agree with his beliefs and actions or not - hurt the performance. Reed being Hispanic hurt the film. Silver surfer being a woman is seen by many as woke, this hurt the performance of the movie.

Call the people that it kept home chuds, call them incels, call them whatever you want but it doesn’t change the fact that it affected the box office.

To say nothing of international audiences, particularly Asian ones, preferring very good looking and young casts.

>>149932124
>implying normies give a shit about anything you listed or comic accuracy in general
>>149932176
Am I talking to a schizo? The 2000s FF was always seen as mediocre, no one remembers the 90s one, and the 2015 one is just dogshit. Regarding the backstory, I find it refreshing because I didn't want to see another origin movie. I don't care what casuals want.
>Beyond this people dont go to a movie based on what is in the movie - because they haven’t seen it
Very convenient way for you to avoid talking about the actual movie and focus on culture war shit.

>>149932291
Everything you said is why the modern marvel movies dont do well, they don’t appeal to comic purists (never have) but they also don’t appeal to normies and casuals.

So really who are they for? Your retarded MCU obsessed ass?

>>149930922 (OP)
Theaters in general are dying.

>>149930922 (OP)
>unlike super-ACK

>>149932319
I imagine I read more FF comics than you did and I enjoyed it as a fresh take. I would have preferred if they kept Red Ghost in and the clobbering time line could've been better delivered, but in general it was a good FF adventure film, with a proper Galactus for once. I haven't been interested in most MCU shit in years, but I know you're obsessed with it as part of the imaginary war in your head so everyone who says anything positive is le shill

>>149932324
Pure cope. Multiple other movies did much better this year. Even in the same release slot.

Why did Superman and Jurassic world do better than it? I’d bet between second week of July and second week of august was one of the biggest four week release windows in years box office-wise

>>149932399
Then you imagined wrong.

>imaginary war
You love imagining what people are imagining huh? A regular imagineer here.

>>149932430
What's your favorite FF run, totally-not-outrage-tourist?

>>149930922 (OP)
I think the real question is, what would be left or what sort of Comics and Movies would be around when Capeshit goes exrinct and finally dies for good or forever in the future?

>>149931955
>doom doesnt have prior history with reed in fact he’s just Tony stark from a bad universe
Wait really? That's plain retarded.

>>149932622
Doom is implied to have some history with Reed since early on the representative Latveria is refusing to attend a FF conference. Doom himself only appears in a post-credits scene.

>>149932450
Byrne, Kirby, Simonson in that order. Next to his Sensational She-Hulk Byrne’s FF is my second favorite marvel run of all time. Pacheco’s would be above simonson if it were longer but he was genuinely fantastic.

I find Hickman and Fraction’s both to be absolutely atrocious, Waid’s decent but heavily carried by the art and straczynski’s pretty underrated.

>>149930922 (OP)
It's just not the hot new thing and hasn't been for a bit. Movies will keep turning a profit, but expecting every movie to be billion dollar blockbusters forever is insane
people just want to watch other stuff

>>149930922 (OP)
>Is capeshit finally dying?
yeah? pretty sure a lot of people stopped caring after endgame. now it's just bloat.

>>149930922 (OP)
Capeshit movies should have died years ago, but y'all gave Fagpool 3 a billion, and it extended the life support.

>>149931139
2.5x the budget the breaking even. It means they just wasted their time making this shit to end up with the same money they had before.

>>149930922 (OP)
People who watched Iron man in 2008 are now 46 years old, that is the reason, your precious "Marvel shills" , marvel drones, doesn't exist anymore. They have families now.

>>149933212
People were still onboard after Endgame, but years of bad decisions coupled with making the multiverse their central focus killed that momentum
I really, really believe if they dropped the multiverse shit and made movies with a cyberpunk sci-fi plots like Blade Runner and Total Recall, people would come flooding back to theaters. Nobody fucking cares about FF and Doom

>>149933325
yes because children and teenagers did not exist in 2008.

>>149930922 (OP)
>post image showing it's a commercial success
>ask if it's finally dying
Is something wrong with your brain, OP?

>>149930922 (OP)
They wont give up till Doomsday flops, which is unlikely with that Smash Bros cast.

>>149932388
There is it again, posting a pic showing it's a success and saying it's a failure.
On what kind of twisted logic do those posters rely on?

>>149933423
a fantastic four movie making that much is honestly surprising. i expected it to be a total flop, especially with the word of mouth which was basically just "it alright". nobody has anything super positive to say about it other than it's average at best.

>>149931572
DP3 and the one that used the nostalgia bait of Tobester PLUS AU J. Jonah, and Andrew Spider-Man since Dr. Strange and Sorcerer Supreme Whathisface would obviously not be enough. FFS, while no one was/is nostalgic for Netflix Daredevil, but they even tossed him in!

>>149933423
FF-fags thought it’d make 700-800M and put Marvel back on track.
Now you can tell they’re practically limping to wrap up this phase and praying the next one actually pays off

>>149933600
everyone thought this shit was gonna flop man. it's had absolutely nothing but negative hype since the casting was revealed, online at least.

>>149930922 (OP)
The problem with a connected universe is once you lose people, it's near impossible to bring them back even if you managed to make it good again.

People don't want that time investment even if the individual films are decent.So they just don't bother with any of it.

>>149933444
>those posters
The magazine Variety, apparently. They also don't call it a failure so stop being an insecure faggot.

>>149933423
Making more than the production budget doesn't make it a success. Movies typically need to make more than twice or three times that to account for marketing and the theaters' cut to be considered profitable.

>>149930922 (OP)
one can only hope. I'm tired of the fucking cringe humor infecting everything. the MCU has been nothing but a cancer for the industry

>>149933775
First Steps has way less quips than Superman.

>>149933600
>FF-fags thought it’d make 700-800M
Nobody said that. and it still doesn't explain why this movie being a commercial success leads to OP thinking it means cape movies are dying.

>>149933718
>The magazine Variety
Variety is simply stating that it didn't do as well as MoS, not that it was a failure, so no.

>>149933768
I am quite certain it's the literal definition of it, anon.

>>149933600
>FF-fags thought it’d make 700-800M
Nobody said that. and it still doesn't explain why this movie being a commercial success leads to OP thinking it means cape movies are dying.

>>149933718
>The magazine Variety
Variety is simply stating that it didn't do as well as MoS, not that it was a failure, so no.

>>149933768
>Movies typically need to make more than twice
But IT HAS. It had a production budget of 200 million, it has made more than the double of it. What is wrong with your brain than you are unable t make a simple addition?

>>149933929
Nta but I notice you ignored the rest of that quote.
>or three times
The budget was “north” of 200. Both Superman and FF spent at least 200 on marketing globally. For reference kamala harris campaign spent north of a billion in six months. These two movies were both inescapable on TV, NBA Finals spots, Sunday night baseball, TBS baseball, Wimbledon, French open, network prime time slots. These are not cheap. For four months they spammed these ads in many of the most expensive spots. Internet ads are cheaper but not free. So they definitely both hit the 200 mark at least. But even going with 200, that’s “north of” 400, adding another half and it’s north of 500.

So it MAY end up just barely breaking even but you must be retarded and know nothing about investment if you think tying up and risking 500M in a single project to make less than 1 percent return is considered a success. Typically you’d want a 10-15 percent ROI (this means profit) to consider something a success.

>>149933929
>But IT HAS.
YES, it just barely broke even. This means they just got back the money they spent to make it and release it.
They wasted time and talent just to end up back where they started in terms of money. That is what is being criticized.

>>149933292
>breaking even before leaving theaters is a bad thing
>how dare they enjoy years of profit

>>149934105
>breaking even before leaving theaters is a bad thing
Not what was said. Breaking even is mid. It didn't lose money, but it is nothing to write home about. It just made its money back and that was it, thus, waste of everyone's time.

>>149934072
>>149933929
>>149934105
Breaking even is worse than having done nothing at all due to time value of money and opportunity costs. Or, in layman's terms, the fact that all that capeslop money could have been invested in a profitable venture and gotten a return. This is also without even going into inflation; that $500 million today is worth less than the $500 mil at the start of production because it's purchasing power has been eroded; this is why it's, incidentally, a bad idea to leave large sums of money in a (low interest) chequing account.

>>149933810
perhaps, but thunderbolts was unbearable. plus I do feel like the humor and quipping spread to other unrelated movies which I absolutely loathe

>>149934152
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say. You worded it better.

>>149934105
Streaming has mad it so revenue after theatrical run is negligible. Also streaming isn’t free of cost, it requires re-mixing of audio and video and distribution costs.

>>149934041
>>or three times
Because that's just anon moving the goalpost. It has always been 2 time with 2.5 times coming up more recently. "This 3 times" is something he pulled out of his ass with no source to back it up, I am therefore not acknowledging.

By the classic standards of movie costs, F4fs is a commercial success and therefore, OP has brain problems.

>>149934072
>barely
It has made way more than two times it's production cost, so, again, by the classic standard, it's beyond "barely". So unless you can pull me some actual sources for its total cost, saying it didn't succeed make no sense.

>>149934208
The fact so many corporations went head first into streaming really goes to show that executives are retarded, because streaming isn't profitable and has never been.

>>149934181
>>149934152
>Breaking even is worse than having done nothing at all due to time value of money and opportunity costs.
actually no, seeing you got a return on all that. Also, you are ignoring that you got to make a movie on top of that.

>>149934218
That’s why I did 2.5 retard.

So refer to what I said:
>So it MAY end up just barely breaking even but you must be retarded and know nothing about investment if you think tying up and risking 500M in a single project to make less than 1 percent return is considered a success. Typically you’d want a 10-15 percent ROI (this means profit) to consider something a success.

>>149934218
>It has made way more than two times it's production cost
200 mil x 2.5 = 500 mil

You're saying 500 mil is "way more" than 500 mil.

>>149934244
Anon if a multi-year investment doesn’t return 10 percent it’s not considered a worthwhile venture.

>>149934218
>two times it's production cost
Which doesn’t account for marketing a distribution, which is why two and a half is the break even point.

>>149934244
>you got to make a movie on top of that.
... and?

>>149934305
>You're saying 500 mil is "way more" than 500 mil.
No, I am saying TWICE. 500 million is effectively way more than 400 million. Before trying to teach people to count, maybe start by learning to read.

And 510 million (OP's source) is way more than 400 too.

>>149934294
>That’s why I did 2.5 retard.
Again, the actual standard is twice. Until you can source that the marketing cost more than that, IT IS a success.

>>149934242
They were so busy seething that they lost revenue with heir own bad licensing deals to Netflix that they didn’t realize it wasn’t worth a decade of operating at a loss like Netflix did to get to profitability. Also didn’t realize that paywalling all of their digital offerings just turned people off, even if the streaming paywall is much cheaper overall than piecemeal purchasing.

>>149934353
>the actual standard is twice
No it isn’t. The break even rule of thumb for tentpole films is consistently 2.5 and I explained to you why both FF and Superman had to have spent 200 minimum on marketing given the tv slots they chose just domestically, let alone internationally.

>>149934353
>500 million is effectively way more than 400 million
The movie needed 500 million to break even.

200 million budget, multiply by 2.5 times, that's 500 million.

>>149934353
>No, I am saying TWICE
And nobody understands why you’re doing this lol

>>149934244
>actually no, seeing you got a return on all that
"Breaking even" implies your return on investment is 0%. You did not make anything back. You covered your costs and that's it. There is some ambiguity as to exactly 'how much' was actually spent on the movie; most anons seem to estimate a ballpark of ~$500 million for both production and marketing, hence, breaking even. As other anons have said said spending $500 million dollars and multiple years to just cover your costs or make a very marginal ROI is a bad thing.

>Also, you are ignoring that you got to make a movie on top of that.
"Opportunity cost" is the (hypothetical) cost you incur by choosing not to do something else. In this case, it's the returns you didn't earn by spending that $500 million on a more profitable business venture. I hate to speak like an MBA, but making a movie is, at the end of the day, a business venture. If it's not a profitable product then it shouldn't be undertaken; the studio should have invested their time and money into other projects which would have earned them their required ROI. Not having done that is, essentially, equivalent to incurring a cost equal to the lost profits from having done so.

>>149934322
>Which doesn’t account for marketing a distribution
the marketing cost IS PRECISELY why a movie must do twice its production cost. It's doubled PRECISELY to account for it in the first place. How does your brain work seriously.

>>149934322
>Anon if a multi-year investment doesn’t return 10 percent it’s not considered a worthwhile venture.
1. see >>149934353
2. You seem to ignore that in in the post-theatre market, this movie is now, free of cost, a, incentive for people to keep their Disney+ subscription. New contents that basically didn't cost them a dime at worst.

and I am not even talking about the merchandising that usually come with this. Disney has basically made an art of milking money out of a franchise way past their theatrical lifetime, so even at breaking even, that only gains from that point on.

>>149934362
Netflix worked because, at the time, it had EVERYTHING in the same place, so people felt it was worth the paywall.

Now that everything is divided in a bunch of streaming services, and it's no longer a one-stop shop, it's not worth it anymore.

>>149934430
>the marketing cost IS PRECISELY why a movie must do twice its production cost. It's doubled PRECISELY to account for it in the first place. How does your brain work seriously.
Anon they also then have to split the revenue with theaters domestically and even higher internationally.

Why are you being so retarded about this?

https://variety.com/2024/film/news/box-office-opening-weekend-why-does-it-matter-1236033313/

>>149934387
>No it isn’t. The break even rule of thumb for tentpole films is consistently 2.5
It actually is the double. The 2.5 is a recent thing that has been pushed by people who care way too much about box office to keep saying that a movie is still failing.

Again, I expect a source to back your 2.5 claim.

>>149934420
Because it's the classic standard to estimate if a movie is a commercial success or not.

>>149934426
>$500 million dollars
"Five hundred million dollars dollars"

>>149934455
See: https://variety.com/2024/film/news/box-office-opening-weekend-why-does-it-matter-1236033313/

>>149931508
I thought this too until I saw the earnings they make from rereleasing old movies.

>>149934458
Do you say "ATM machine?" out loud?

>>149934426
see >>149934430

>>149934451
>Anon they also then have to split the revenue with theaters domestically and even higher internationally.
this has always been accounted in needing to make twice the production budget too.

Again, This 2.5 was just arbitrary set to move the goal post with little source to back it up.

>>149934455
If in 6 months kamala harris spent a billion dollars not hitting the most expensive TV spots then both Superman and FF easily spent 200 each on the 4 months of NBA Finals, MLB AS weekend, Wimbledon, French Open, Sunday Night Baseball and TBS baseball as well as prime time TV.

I don’t give a fuck about the rule of thumb. That’s double the budget right there without hitting distribution costs and revenue sharing.

>>149934461
It's not saying it need to make 2.5 its production cost, anon. Only that the first week bring more.
Also, from your very source:
>“The Fall Guy” cost $140 million and has grossed $165 million worldwide. But sources suggest it has to reach $275 million-$300 million
So, the double (maybe a tad above the double), not 2.5 you are pulling out of nowhere.

Just in case someone tries to get pedantic about that $10 million, Disney didn't even put the budget at exactly $200 million, they said it was "somewhere north of" $200 million.

>>149934516
>I don’t give a fuck about the rule of thumb. That’s double the budget right there without hitting distribution costs and revenue sharing.
Source?

>>149934520
Anon try actually reading it next time.

Somehow, this is still the best Fantastic Four movie. Not even close, really.

>>149934541
I just told you the logic I was employing.
>If in 6 months kamala harris spent a billion dollars not hitting the most expensive TV spots then both Superman and FF easily spent 200 each on the 4 months of NBA Finals, MLB AS weekend, Wimbledon, French Open, Sunday Night Baseball and TBS baseball as well as prime time TV.

Clearly there is no source, are genuinely autistic? I want citing numbers I was extrapolating.

Why is anon so adamant that the movie that needed 500 to break even actually is a wild success at 500? It’s a weird obsession.

>>149934595
>I just told you the logic I was employing.
Again, source for the actual cost, instead of your guessing.

>>149934572
And yet, at the same time, they still claim Fall Guy only needed to make double.

Mind you, that didn't stop some anon to pull "3times" out of his ass.

>>149934626
>Mind you, that didn't stop some anon to pull "3times" out of his ass
I already said I disagreed with that which was why I did the 2.5 figure.

>>149934607
Because that's literally how success or failure is measured, anon.

Always has been. You'd better wonder why some anons are so rabid about insisting that breaking even is still a failure.

Real question is... why the fuck did they spend so much on this movie? You can't tell me this absolutely needed a $200 million budget. Hollywood can't stop wasting money.

>>149934664
>why the fuck did they spend so much on this movie?
It's actually a movie on which they showed restrain. MCU movies usually cost way more.

I liked it more than Superman. I liked Thunderbolts more than Superman if Im being honest with myself. These are movies they should've released when covid hit, at least after Black Widow. Wandavision was fine and there were parts of Loki I liked, but everything else was ideologized faggotry. The only interesting part of FatWS were the episodes involving US Agent, and if Im not mistaken the John Wick guy directed the two episodes that featured him prominently. They're throwing everything they have at Doomsday, when the reality is not unlike how disney fucked up Star Wars, no one has any real idea what the stakes are heading into this movie other than a few disjointed storyline about incursions.

Apologize

>>149934479
Please actually learn economics and finance before trying to argue why a multi-year project that cost an estimated $500 million should make an ROI of 0%. It being complementary with Disney+ doesn't make up for that because:
>a) streaming revenue is a drop in a bucket, especially when compared to the cost of making a tentpole production, especially when it needs to be split across the dozens and dozens of items on any particular streaming service.
>b) It's difficult to determine if/how any particular release has increased/retained streaming service subscribers.
>c) Delivering streaming services is NOT free of cost.

If you want to bring merchandising into this then you're going to need to produce actual figures to support your claim. I should remind you that modern Disney does not have the best merchandising track record, what with all those star wars toys that ended up in a landfill.

>>149934626
https://www.mediaradar.com/blog/nba-playoff-ad-spend-surges-mediaradar-unpacks-the-big-wins-for-abc-tnt-and-espn?hs_amp=true#:~:text=NBA%20Playoff%20Ad%20Rates%20Explode&text=ad%20rate%3A%20%24117.7K,ESPN%3A%20%24217M%20%7C%20Avg.

~130K average per SINGLE ad
ABC only covers the finals during the post season so that’s 157

That’s just the NBA finals. Multiply it times 1 per quarter (even though it was more) just for the finals you have 157 * 28 that’s 4,396,000 just for one round of the playoffs. Just on the NBA finals yure already at a 9 figure price tag. Add in every other event I noted and prime time network tv.

There is no way Superman or FF spent less than 200 on TV advertising alone.

>>149934737
Are you guys ready for Doctor Doom to wear his mask for two minutes and then take it off with nanotech so the audience will know it is Robert Downey Jr?

>>149934773
And before anon tries to make the claim,

No ABC/ESPN is not accepting less than market value for the ad spot just because it’s Disney. That’s not how these companies work. You charge full price otherwise other advertisers will demand lower pricing.

>>149934773
>Just on the NBA PLAYOFFS yure already at a 9 figure price tag

anon was going to melt down over that I know it. But there are 100 quarters or so of playoff basketball, which is where the nine figure statement came from.

Oh another detail we have to remember when it comes to Disney+ is that when it comes out there, it also comes out in this other streaming service that seems to have everything.

Must have gotten a really good licensing deal for them to have so much stuff.

>>149934765
>why a multi-year project that cost an estimated $500 million
Again, where is the source the total cost was 2.5 the production cost?

>>149934773
>ABC only covers the finals during the post season so that’s 157
you are aware that that Disney actually own ABC, right? That's just money moving from one pocket to the other of the same person.

>>149934858
See: >>149934808
That’s not how it works. They’re co,pleteoy different entities under the umbrella - each with their own budgets.

>>149934878
To say nothing of different tax payments on expenditures and collections.

>>149934878
I never argued that they got special treatment, anon.
>under the umbrella
But it's still the same umbrella.

>>149934903
No, it isn’t. Because if they aren’t collecting that revenue from an outside source they have made no money. And beyond that, again, the ABC people are separate from the Disney park, who are separate from the Disney plus, who are separate from Hulu, who are separate from marvel, etc.

They all have budgets and revenue targets.

But to circle back even if you want to erroneously assume they’re “paying themselves” that just goes back to the fact that they haven’t made a single new dollar on the most valuable ad spot.

>>149934936
>that just goes back to the fact that they haven’t made a single new dollar on the most valuable ad spot.
That would only be true if the only adds they ran were for Disney productions.

>>149934976
What are you talking about? They still would not have made money on that ad spot.

Are you acting dumb are actually this retarded?

>Is capeshit finally dying?

lmao.
lmao.

>>149934996
ad spots usually have rooms for more than just one add.

>>149935064
I’m convinced you don’t even understand what you’re talking about. What you said doesn’t make a single iota of sense.

>>149935087
>What you said doesn’t make a single iota of sense.
When there are commercial breaks, so the spots where you get to pass adds, there is usually more than just one add.

>>149931955
If we use the 60s as an argument then heh, lots of female, black, and female black leaders in those nation meetings.
And Sue being team leader too.

>>149931955
>>Sue looks 45 and ugly
>Again you dont decide whether this is a valid complaint or not.
Actually, yes I do. She is beautiful and if you do'nt think so you either aren't actually into women or you have some worm in your head.

There is no objective rationality to call her ugly.

jesus

>>149931955
>>doom doesnt have prior history with reed in fact he’s just Tony stark from a bad universe or something
>This is indisputably retarded
Ah, so you didn't watch the movie, make more sense, then.

There is literally a Latveria country explicitly existing in the movie and we actually get to see their Doom at the end of the movie.

Yes, the MCU Doom come from an alternate universe of where most of the MCU movies take place, but the Fantastic For also are. They are from the same universe as MCU Doom.

>>149931508
>Less people go to movies now.

Less people go to movies now because nobody wants to pay an arm and a leg to go see some shitty rehashed slop. If you make a good movie, people will go to the theaters to see it.

>>149931955
>>reed is Hispanic
>You don’t decide this if this is or isnt a valid problem.
Actually, I do. He looks white and we got plenty of white playing Hispanic too in the past. there is no validity to complain about that.

>>Sue looks 45 and ugly
You are objectively wrong so there is actually no validity to complain about that.

>>silver surfer is norrin’s wife because “she was one time in the comics, Chud!”
It's an alternate universe Silver Surfer. There is no validity to complain about that either.

>>doom doesnt have prior history with reed in fact he’s just Tony stark from a bad universe or something
This is absolutely false. Doom is from the same universe as the Fantastic Four.

>>149935326
>nobody wants to pay an arm and a leg to go see some shitty rehashed slop.

Then why did Avatar and Lilo & Stitch make money? Why did slop like Top Gun 2 make bank? Why is Minecraft make almost billion dollars? Why is yet another fucking jurassic park movie currently fourth biggest movie of the year?

>If you make a good movie, people will go to the theaters to see it.

No they fucking don’t. This hasn’t really been a thing for over years now.

>>149935231
She's bogged. Her plastic surgery makes her look like a cyborg. I know women just a few years younger than her with no plastic surgery that look way fucking better than her

>>149935231
i am 90% sure a woman made this post.

>>149935434
>Avatar
People like Avatar. The first one was a cultural phenomenon.
>Lilo & Stitch
People like Stitch.
>Top Gun 2
Was actually pretty good, and a sequel to a movie lots of people really liked. Also, Tom Cruise.
>Minecraft
Children and memes. Slop or not, Minecraft is literally the biggest video game in history. Did you think people weren't going to go see it?
>Jurassic Park
Because Jurassic Park.

>No they fucking don't.
Name one good movie people refused to watch. Go on, we'll wait.

>>149935537
>Minecraft is literally the biggest video game in history
grim.

>>149931200
>The F4 are good as side characters, maybe a cartoon, but they can't hold a single movie togeth

I actually really liked the first Tim Story movie, I say that admitting its take on Doom is crap.

>>149931139
>Also isn't 2.5x the budget considered decent?
It's like people think theaters show movies for free, and the marketing oils itself free of charge.

>>149935537
Avatar is just a sequel, Lilo is yet another Disney remake, Top Gun is a sequel and if Tom is such a massive draw why did both of the last two Mission Impossible sequels in a row flop and lose money?
All you did was make lame excuses for why slop makes money.


>Name one good movie people refused to watch

Opus
Furiosa
First Omen
Bikeriders
Sing Sing
American Fiction
Dungeons and dragons
Sanctuary
How to Blow Up a Pipeline
The Banshees of Inisherin

Just to name a few good movies that people should have watched instead of running to see Deadpool and Wolverine or Super Marion

>>149935851
Every single one of those movies you listed was garbage. Except D&D, ironically, which was merely mid.

>>149935537
NTA but, while I can't think of any good movies that didn't get viewership, I can think of many bad ones that got it and didn't deserve it.
Take for example Weapons, on theaters right now. It's boring, rushed, underdeveloped, and gorier than scary. But it's "soaring" in the horror movie box office.

I personally enjoyed Transformers One, other than the pink woman one dragging her gigantic balls on everybody's faces, so ugh I don't think that one deserved such few views.

>>149935537
>Name one good movie people refused to watch.
You're on /co/
Hunchback of Notre Dame and Treasure Planet are pretty famous examples of cult classic flops
>inb4 /tv/ tourist goes full contrarian and says they were shit ackshually

>>149935851
>Good movies

>Furiosa
>Dungeons and Dragons
Damn anon you need to get better taste lol.

>>149930922 (OP)
woke is cancer

>>149930922 (OP)
just stop with the girlboss shit and let white men be heroes again

>>149936055
Girl boss would be fine if they did this on their own. However notice that every time they need to knock down men to be girl bosses.
In this movie, for example, Reed was removed from team leader in favor of Sue. And nobody did anything for most of the movie so that Sue could do it.
>Umm ummm ummm Johnny translated some alien speech and this convinced surfer to kill herself at the end of the movie
Pales massively in comparison with all Sue achieved throughout the movie. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say 90% of the feats are her doing. In a team of 4 people, that's pretty far from an equalitarian 25%.

>>149930922 (OP)
Oh wow, I thought it flopped. It actually made more than double the budget?

>>149930922 (OP)
>$100 million profit
>Bad
I suppose you could have funded a handful of $40 million films and had 4 of them also bomb and the 5th make $50 million. Clearly better.

>>149930922 (OP)
Why does she have a dick? Is the Michelle Obama stuff white women being insecure about their feminine penises?

>>149932622
No, anon is just a retard who can't understand subtext because autistic people have a hard time with that.

>>149936264
It's not profitable, you moron. Not only does the breakeven point have to include making back the marketing budget, these Marvel movies always have a lower listed budget when the actual budget Disney uses for taxes. Multiverse of Madness was listed as 200m when the real budget was 414m, etc
This also goes for Superman if you bring that up, listed budget was 225, real budget is 363 not including marketing

>>149936385
>Marvel movies always have a lower listed budget when the actual budget Disney uses for taxes
The fuck are you talking about? The only way lying about budgets benfits them is if they're inflating the list budget to claim they didn't make money to avoid taxes, so if you're saying that the number listed here is the fake tax number then that would mean it actually made more money than they're saying.

>>149931139
it means you barely made your money back.

>>149931508
>movies are all shit
>theaters are expensive and are an awful experience
>half an hour of trailers
>it's coming out on streaming in a couple of months
No point in watching shit at the cinema anymore.

I really wish she had been in it. This version of Allie was somewhat useful as an extra family member, rather than a damsel in distress, and is kinda adorable.

>>149935905
But Jurassic Park and Top Gunn are great? Come the fuck on.

>>149936466
>barely
anon, in the ballpark of $100 million isn't barely you retard

>>149936195
Planning wise the only thing Sue did was ask Moleman to evacuate New York

Make them into a video game, people seem to love them in Rivals

>>149936195
Without Reed the whole plan wouldn't even be possible. He's the brain, what do you expect him to do? Go Super Saiyan and beat up Galactus? Retard.

>>149935993
If we want to go with older examples basically multiple classic 80s films were flops. Big Trouble in Little China, the Thing, Repo Man, flops in the 80s, now considered absolute classics. Fucking Highlander was a bomb when it came out and only got sequels because of TV and home video.

>>149936773
And appeasing the masses about the whole give the baby instead of the planet. And we see her go regularly to world leader meetings. She's shown as the leader while Reed looks like a deer in headlights.

>>149936832
Right, my bad. He can't even stretch that much so Reed is too handicapped to do anything but repurpose a teleporter and lmao do it wrong. Teleport the whole planet, really? When you can literally just teleport Galactus? Anyway leave everything to Sue who can do pretty much anything, retard.

>>149936385
>these Marvel movies always have a lower listed budget when the actual budget Disney uses for taxes.
That sounds like bullshit. $200 mil production, double it for marketing. It made $100 million.

>>149936773
>In this movie, for example, Reed was removed from team leader in favor of Sue.
That's not even remotely true though you braindamaged retard.

Sue was out doing the woman shit (having lunch talks with faggy not-UN reps, giving mom speeches about family to calm people down, etc.) while Reed was deferred to repeatedly every time they needed to come up with a plan or decide what to do next. It was a literal major plot point that he was carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and it was driving a wedge between them because he couldn't turn it off.

>>149937068
The planet is much more feasible to study and account for than Galactus. It's entirely understandable why they would want to do that.
>Anyway leave everything to Sue who can do pretty much anything, retard.
Sue is not the one who came up with the plan. I'm sorry you felt so emasculated by a movie that is pretty tame by "girlboss" standards. I didn't.

If they want the F4 to hit big, then they gotta attach them to Spidey. Bro's the most popular and profitable superhero in the world. Acting as Spidey's team will allow the F4 to potentially be popular as well.

>>149936195
>Reed came up with literally every plan they had, built all the insane tech, etc.
>Johnny took the initiative to chase the surfer after the initial contact and talk to her, which led to him eventually discovering her history and confronting her, stopping her from destroying the last teleporter, and convincing her to help them, he was also the main thing that allowed them to escape Galactus's ship, nearly killed himself to achieve that.
>Ben did all the pilot shit that allowed them to escape and trap the surfer in the gravity well, put in work during the final fight despite having nothing to work with other than "hit shit hard"
Yeah Sue did a lot too, but you're retarded if you think the rest of the team didn't get a chance to shine.

>>149937068
>Teleport the whole planet, really? When you can literally just teleport Galactus?
The idea was to do it before Galactus ever got there, because Galactus is kind of a fucking big deal and him showing up would be bad and a thing they wanted to avoid if at all possible. Teleporting Galactus was a last ditch hail Mary that required a ton of different factors to all go right and they only even considered because they had no other options left.

>>149935231
>>149935334
Why samefag? Bot? Shill?

>>149935098
An ad spot is one slot of a commercial break anon. Are you retarded?

>pass adds
Certainly retarded or ESL. Can’t tell which.

>>149937033
>world's leading scientist, professor and television host
>invented teleportation
>in charge of everything F4 related, even the suits
>intercepted the messages
>found out where Galactus is located
>had the idea of using the black hole to get away from the Silve Surfer
>planned and engineered the teleportation of Earth in like a month
>came up with the final plan

B-but Sue made a speech!!

>>149937033
>And we see her go regularly to world leader meetings.
Anon, that's the busy work. In the world this film took place in, the F4 basically ARE the world leaders, the people Sue is meeting with are pretty much a glorified student government.

>>149930922 (OP)
>still managed 2.5 times budget before other revenues
this isn't even a proper bomb, and nobody gives a shit about the fantastic four.

>>149930922 (OP)
No one cares about Fantastic Four but a soul Thing or Sliver Surfer movie would've done well.

>>149930922 (OP)
A LOT of things went wrong, but overall, yes.

>Brave New World flopped
>Thunderbolts* flopped
>Fantastic Four is underperforming
>Superman despite seemingly outdoing these at the box office STILL underperformed so hard it was just shunted onto streaming this week

MCU Phases 4 & 5 were incoherent shitshows, sure, Jonathan Majors' legal issues obviously massively derailed the former but let's not kid ourselves--Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania? Multiverse of Madness? Black Widow (several years and Phases too late)

The quality control is non-existent, Louis D'Esposito isn't a comic guy and the names of popular story writers are just to placate fans they don't believe they need a consistent theme or throughline, he and Kevin Feige just think they need to be 'fun' to work.

Bob Iger also fucked them over with the Disney+ sloptent farm in having so many shows (and infamously Black Widow dropping on the streaming service while still in theaters to sabotage it and fuck Scarlet Johanson out of royalties as exposed in their lawsuit) that created a lot of homework like Multiverse Incursions that were only introduced proper in that shitty Loki series.

Kang was a fucking joke in Quantumania and was taken out far too easily to be seen as a valid threat and seemed more like an annoyance with his alternate timeline variants as opposed to the looming ominous threat that Thanos was built up to be from Phases 1-3.

Pedro Pascal fatigue also hurt First Steps on top of controversies regarding him being seen as a creep in the post #MeToo era as well as the weirdly desperate and cringy push to call him a "daddy" on top of looking and acting nothing like Reed Richards to the point he refused to shave his mustache (at least Henry Cavill had a valid reason due to contractual obligations with another film in Josstice League)

The Fantastic Four only ever really received mainstream success on the silver screen in the Tim Story film duology.

>>149930922 (OP)
Why didn't they just use her?

>>149938225
Because they want to use the recognizable brand name of Silver Surfer without him having an icky Y chromosome

>>149930922 (OP)
>it broke even

AHAHAH GET FUCKED CHUUUUUDDS

>>149937997
2.5 x 200 for the budget is 500 million, retard. It won't even reach 490 at the current rate.

>>149936705
Jurassic Park is Jurassic Park. it doesn't matter how good or bad it is, it's going to make money.

And yes, Top Gun 2 was pretty good. Certainly better than motherfucking Furiosa, at any rate.

Like how Deadpool and Wolverine made a billion, I have a feeling that Avengers Doomsday will make over a billion. It just depends now on the post-Avengers reset. They will obviously make a new amalgamated universe and bring a load of characters back. But how will they balance that with all their literally whos from the Disney+ series etc? Feige has said that the Disney+ mass greenlighting days are over and that Ironheart was meant to be the last of that stuff but I wonder what their strategy will be. Because how do you go back to 2 movies a year and develop X-Men and all that other stuff and how do you decide who the winners and losers are now that you have introduced so much stuff.

>>149938634
>and develop X-Men

Wait is this actually happening? The guy was already over his head in phase 2-3 when he failed to properly introduce Spider-Man, borderline killed the MCU trying to handle multiple plotlines in the last 5 years, but he thinks he can introduce the X-Men this late just like that?

>>149930922 (OP)
$100m pedro pascal vanity tour

>>149930922 (OP)
>What went wrong?
Mr Fantastic was too weak, Galactus was too easy to defeat

>>149930922 (OP)
I watched it last night (for free) and it was extremely mid. Glad I didn't pay to see it.
Like it's just a big ball of nothing.

>>149939494
>>149939494
>but he thinks he can introduce the X-Men this late just like that?
Where have you been? The next phase is apparently the X-Men phase. They want a semi universe reboot to have an amalgamated universe in which to introduce that shit. That is what they are betting on to continue the MCU if the Avengers stuff works. And the Avengers stuff is already desperate in bringing back RDJ as Doom.

>>149930922 (OP)
A lot of things but one I havent seen people mention is that the futuristic 60s look was a bad idea
why base it in a time period younger millennials, zoomers and alphas werent born in like the Tim Story movies had the right idea of setting it during current times.

>>149939663
I had heard about it but thought they just meant X-23 and maybe some other mutants would join, not try to implement the entire X-Men canon lol

>>149939830
>not try to implement the entire X-Men canon lol
They're going to introduce a new X-Men team of about 5 characters with younger actors on large contracts. Wolverine will probably not be part of this team.

>>149939851
More of what I was thinking then. No way that shit can carry the MCU tho

>>149931955
the only big critique to the writing i have is Reed saying the stupid line about Galactus demanding Franklin sacrifice just as he lands instead of saying something like "We tried to negotiate unsuccesfuly" and just leave it there.

it was just too randomly stupid by Reed.

The rest of the movie is just to bring them into universe, the movie is a nothing burger really.

>>149939494
He did it again with this very movie. It was "too late" to do a F4 origim story but had no issues wasting time on Madame Web and Agatha

Maybe Sue going beyond her limits in the climax of the movie would've had some impact if the viewer had been shown what the limitations of her powers are in the first place

>>149940026
>but had no issues wasting time on Madame Web
Madame Web was a Sony film, not MCU.

No, Superman did really well

>>149940050
The Marvels or Eternals and others then, lots of slop to chose

>>149938208
I feel like Marvel's decline is also pulling down the rest of the genre with it. I think Superman makes more money in an era when people all around the world are still in the habit of going to superhero movies, and that habit was created in part by Marvel putting out several movies a year that always did well.

Ever since Multiverse of Madness had a huge opening and a huge drop because it was so divisive, the MCU has put out so many divisive and/or terrible movies that they lost their reputation for being inoffensive harmless entertainment that would at least be an easy way to waste an evening.

It's sort of like how in comics, sadly, the whole industry might be in (more) serious trouble if DC and/or Marvel went under, because even the more serious comics can't exist without the industry leaders staying at least competitive.

Probably was a bad idea on Disney's part to schedule Fantastic Four so close to Superman, when the truth is they need to be helping each other to make as much money as possible. This isn't 2016 when Batman/Superman and Civil War were guaranteed hits and the only question was which would be bigger.

The early MCU was massively:
>RDJ and the rest.
And then post Avengers it feels like the momentum was there:
>Have 2 movies a year, build to team ups, introduce more people.
>The formula of forgettable villains (exceptions noted), strong characterisation, some humour, some emotional moments.
>Fear of missing out (FOMO) drove it.
FOMO creates this anxiety, so people want to jump on board and see it build up. That was the gimmick and stuff like after credits just added to the ritual of it. Builds until Endgame then it is over. What happened post Endgame was:
>Phase 4 had a longer screentime than 1-3 put together.
>Disney+ streaming strategy was bad.
>Too many new heroes.
>Whilst it took ages for sequels for heroes you did like.
>So many plot threads outright ignored.
What they needed to do:
>Palate cleanser phase of a few movies.
>Less literally whos, no Disney+ shows and more sequels continuing plot threads.
>Build to a new status quo shifting Avengers movie, like Winter Soldier shifted things, have a down to Earth threat like Masters of Evil and create a new slate.
>Then move into the Multiverse saga.
(1/2)

>>149941100
FOMO is a double edged sword as the buy-in feels like it is too great because of all the films. You also can't just keep multiplying things and making threats bigger. You needed to get people connected to characters like Dr Strange more etc so that the torch could be passed from Iron Man/Cap better. Iron Man and Thor: Love and Thunder make a good comparison to the problems:
>Tony has his arc reactor stolen, crawls to get it, call back to earlier in the film with Pepper, gets the old one, robot arm he has chastised gives it to him. Emotional moment and call back with a slight joke.
>Children have been stolen by evil villain, Thor makes a joke about how they once practiced cannibalism before he departs. Completely doesn't take the situation or threat seriously and makes it into a weird joke.
Post Doosmday/Secret Wars they are planning a reboot and they want to balance the Avengers/FF/X-Men as their leads but that means completely cutting the fat. And if you want to do Disney+ shit it should either be short films like Werewolf by Night or animated stuff and nothing more (although What If...? was very meh). Of course with all these Young Avengers types waiting for their team up despite being older than some of the Avengers.. I doubt the fat will be cut.
(2/2)

>>149930922 (OP)
It's not dead, but they seriously overestimated the appeal of F4. Most non-comics fans don't care about the Fantastic Four. The movie is only barely gonna do better than Thunderbolts which is full of OCs and Z-listers.

I'm actually convinced the same thing will happen to X-Men, actually. And it will be more shocking because they are supposed to be "Marvel's true A-listers". Most X-Men movies didn't do that much money in the box office and Fox already tried rebooting it and it went over like a wet fart. "Comic-accurate" Cyclops or Storm are not gonna bring people in mass to theaters

>>149935326
It costs less to buy a bluray of the movie than some popcorn and a drink.

>>149939540
>Galactus was too easy to defeat
Comic accurate then

You'll never escape capeshit!
Have no fears, we've got stories for years, like,
RDJ becomes Magneto,
Maybe more multiverse shit, has Spider-Man ever owned a car?
Or, how 'bout a crazy team-up?
Where something happens and doo doo doo doo doo...
Sorry for the Disney+ shows.
Have no fears, we've got stories for years!

>>149940056
No it didn't

>>149941201
>And it will be more shocking because they are supposed to be "Marvel's true A-listers".
If the MCU can somehow get things in order and manage some successful movies, but FF and X-Men continue to just perform like they did at Fox, it'll absolutely mindbreak a lot of nerds, the kind of guys who act like Iron Man and Avengers being more popular with normies is some affront to nature. It'll be hilarious.

>"Comic-accurate" Cyclops or Storm are not gonna bring people in mass to theaters
A lot of the fans here seriously seem to think opening with Jean and Xavier already dead and doing "Scott and Emma as leaders of the mutant community, fighting humanity" is going to be a draw to normies. Somehow.

>>149930922 (OP)
There's literally no reason to see this movie

>No must-see-on-the-big-screen action scene like Thanos throwing the moon
>No set up for Doomsday
>No cool showcase of powers like Black Panther detonating vibranium vibrations
>All the characters are subdued versions of comic counterparts
>The actors were directed to tone down their acting
>Fucking Galactus which should have been a showstopper just causally walks through NYC and gets pushed into a black hole by Invisible Girl

Turn Quicksilver into a boner joke, snap Prof X neck, put Beast in the biggest flop they ever made, retconned Kamala into being the first mutant
Just why would anyone trust Feige with X-men?

>>149930931
This is a safe space, anon.

Tell us how you REALLY feel

>>149941201
The Mutant Saga is gonna flop and it's just gonna delay the inevitable (Marvel rebooting the Avengers the same way Gunn is rebooting the DCU).

>>149935992
Because for some reason people liked Barbarian even though it was garbage and Weapons has the same director which advertisement is happy to remind you about.

>>149930922 (OP)
>What went wrong?
You spend every waking moment of your life obsessing over box office scores for films from billion-dollar companies that are too big to fail. Fantastic Four is doing just fine.

>>149931394
>There have been 16 movies since Endgame
Jesus fucking christ you're right
I have only seen Spider-Man Fly Away Home and Doctor Strange 2.
I don't know anybody watching this shit

>>149930922 (OP)
All creators of capeshit must pay for their crimes against humanity.

>>149946102
Exalted_Speed will pay

>>149941929
The space part was cool

>>149945423
FF were supposed to carry the MCU going forward. Expect them to be gone and headed back to obscurity after Doomsday

>>149946356
There's a sequel iin development

>>149931578
"Would be Tony Stark," not "would be Iron Man". And he had resources for education prior to that.

>>149946456
It will probably happen but I think Mutieshit will take priority

>>149930922 (OP)
Muh familia

>>149946929
Tony is a comic book character who's power is being a giga-genius, we was admitted to MIT at 14 or something

>>149946947
They've already said the next saga has the mutants as the central focus, sprinkled with some other films in there (BP, Spidey, FF, Blade if it ever happens).

>>149946955
yes

>>149930922 (OP)
The MCU gave up trying to tell a consistent story with an internally cohesive world by Infinity War.
The last good property associated with the brand was Agents of SHIELD and happy accidents like Agatha All Along
The multiverse and studio hubris tanked the MCU's reputation
Feige's a hack

>>149939663
>They want a semi universe reboot to have an amalgamated universe in which to introduce that shit.
That sounds fucking retarded.

>>149941929
I saw it in theaters and finally seeing a real Galactus on the big screen was hype.

>>149941929
Agreed about Galactus. Them metting him in space was cool, but when he's on Earth, he's just some big dumb cartoon villain. I was hoping his footsteps would have some weight to them similar to the 2014 Godzilla movie when he stomps in front of the airport.

https://youtu.be/1ZMKMoPpVAo?t=105

>>149936713
This isn't penny stocks.

AGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>149933325
i'm fiddy

>>149949150
They could've at least made him stretch a bit more, Galactus barely moved his arms

>>149949150
cbt

>>149931017
Are you implying financial tomfoolery?

Do you think they will keep Reed as Doom's main rival or drop that angle so they can focus on more popular characters?

>>149950202
The moment they cast RDJ it was obvious they's downplay the Doom-Reed rivalry. And even tho they've said the FF play major roles in the next two films, they'll probably pit Iron Doom against Spider-Man or something like that.

>>149950186
>Hollywood
Fuck yeah

>>149950186
>>149950733
Gotta pay the producers cocaine binges somehow

>>149941929
Yeah its like these movies forgot they are also action movies, there is no cool creative sequence or fights using their powers

>>149951965
The Silver Surfer was the main character in that remark

>>149952076
regard*

>>149931955
johnny and silver surfer is going to make peak r34 tho, so its worth

>>149930922 (OP)
I didn't go see it.

>>149936804
That’s because Rivals F4 are just cooler versions of their usual selves. This movie was clearly made for grandmas and wine aunts.

>>149946081
It's shows how fucking aimless MCU has been after Thanos. Before we had a bunch of origin movies which led up to the Avengers. Then we have some mid to meh movies, but Captain America carried shit here. Civil War is the true climax of Phase 2 since it actually gives the whole Ultron deal meaning.
Then Infinity War and Endgame work as the true climax for everything.
I could not begin to tell what the plot has been for Phase 4 and 5. Thunderbolts feels like a movie that should have come out a year or two after Endgame instead of six years later

>>149952552
Covid and the overflux of Disney+ content derailed both scheduling and a lot of the narrative threads. I agree tho that not having an Avengers film in phase 4 was a mistake since it was the easiest way to give audiences a clear sense of who they're supposed to follow.

>>149930931
Me too but Doomsday killed whatever goodwill the film left me with.

no, lol

>>149946356
>FF were supposed to carry the MCU going forward
>Not Spider-Man who (at this point) is the only Capeshit hero to rank in billions
Why?

>>149936668
Cute! CUTE!

>>149952772
1) statement was half true. They do intend on keeping the FF, but have already said the mutants will be the next central focus. Imagine the X-Men are the Avengers and FF take the place of GotG for the next saga.
2) Spidey is off limits for Disney. Whatever use they plan for him has to go through Sony, and so they can't use him freely.

>>149930922 (OP)
Superhero movies are action movies with characters in spandex and cool powers. The moment you promote the superhero movie as anything but that, the movie will suffer.

>>149952772
joint custody

>>149952772
Because Sony still own the Spider-man movie rights and will never sell it back to Marvel. Marvel Comics back then were honestly stupid for selling the Spider-man movie rights to Sony instead of just letting them rent it for a specific amount of years before it return back to Marvel.

>>149931955
The first part of your post is formatted like you're defending the new movie and answering the points other anon made. I don't have a problem with that, it's just weird.

>>149936288
phat pussy

>>149947180
>They've already said the next saga has the mutants as the central focus
>build the whole next phase of the MCU around mutants
>if they lean hard into "mutants are a metaphor for minorities" a lot of normies could just nope out immediately
>if they don't do it, they'll get crucified by the media and by the hardcore fandom for not doing it
Maybe this isn't the safest bet to build a whole phase around.

>>149930931
Me either

F4 is a completely viable super-hero team. As far as movies they lack .. imagination. DOOM can carry a F4 trilogy if done right, but no, they're (F4&DOOM&other antags) left limp and un-utilized. Get some fucking writers, holy fuck.

>>149936668
Is this the one where she was a detective in a noir comic?

>>149931050
Yep. To this day, I don't understand who they're suppose to appeal to.

>>149935434
Because it's Jurassic Park.
It's summer, kiddos love dinosaurs. Jurassic Park is in that same weird niche as Spider-Man, Batman, Toy Story and Fast and Furious where no matter how horrid the movie is or whatever is against in cinemas, it's gonna make some mad bank.
Everyone was saying how Fantastic Four and Superman were gonna duke it out for the top spot at the box office while no one expected anything about Jurassic World, and poof, the dinosaur movie made 800 million bucks without a sweat.

>>149956467
> the dinosaur movie made 800 million bucks without a sweat.
Still less than Dominion's $1 billion. It's a flop!

>>149949150
KWAB

>>149934140
you didn't refute his point. if it broke even in theaters, any money after that is profit. and there will be money after that because there is always money after that. by definition, it made them money they didn't already have, annoying as that is because of it being a lame property.
>>149935844
it's like the associated division of revenue is already factored into that multiplier. you haven't discovered some secret truth that hollywood has been losing money for a century because 2.5 is secretly not enough to stay afloat.

>>149931955
>yet continue to call her Sue STORM rather than Richards - in the 60s as if that isn’t ridiculous.
One of the many reasons I refused to buy any of North’s run. Complete bullshit.

>>149932168
I blame streaming services.

>>149956820
The big budget bubble is killing cinema.

black hole chase was cool at least