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Anonymous No.149953603 >>149953690 >>149953855 >>149957099 >>149957184 >>149962708 >>149964602 >>149968422 >>149970556 >>149970583 >>149971438 >>149982998 >>149984560 >>149985549 >>149985582 >>149989271 >>149994623 >>150001077 >>150004314 >>150009130
Okay guys, tell me why you don't like it. I've never heard your reasoning before, just blind hatred.
Anonymous No.149953620 >>149953641 >>149965878 >>149973962
Finn get depression
Anonymous No.149953641
>>149953620
But he already had that. Wasn't this episode where his comeback first started?
Anonymous No.149953690 >>149953832 >>149954379 >>149957558 >>149965889 >>149969798 >>149989271
>>149953603 (OP)
Finn got raped by LSP

>B-but it wasn't rape!
If it was Lumpy Space Prince doing it to Fionna it would have been called rape.
Anonymous No.149953832 >>149960403
>>149953690
But it wasn't male on female. Circumstances matter anon. I mean Finn's a big boy, he can handle it.

Either way though that's why you hate the episode? Did it ruin Lsp for you?
Anonymous No.149953855 >>149953891 >>149953945
>>149953603 (OP)
The constant denial of finn getting another GF or getting back together with flame princess by this point made me drop this show
Anonymous No.149953891 >>149953910 >>149953945
>>149953855
Finn doesn’t need that spoiled cunt
Anonymous No.149953910 >>149953953 >>149956054
>>149953891
After a certain point FP was no good anymore but finn was meant to have gotten another GF soon after but didnt. Fuck AT
Anonymous No.149953945 >>149953989 >>149954013 >>149954038 >>149954108 >>149983055
>>149953891
>>149953855
Here we go again. Why did you care? It's not like if he gets his dick wet you get yours wet. Besides this is the very episode he lost his virginity so it can't be related to sex can it? So yeah I just want to know why you cared abouthim havinga gf. And why you thought it was going to be Pheobe again.
Anonymous No.149953953 >>149954038
>>149953910
>was meant to
Where are you getting this information??
It did not feel like that was EVER the intention bro holy shit.
Anonymous No.149953989 >>149954221
>>149953945
If you don't care about what happens to fictional characters, why the everloving fuck are you here?
Anonymous No.149954013 >>149954221
>>149953945
Why do you care what other people think of a children's cartoon?
Anonymous No.149954038 >>149954237 >>149954260
>>149953945
Because it felt like an intentional "fuck you" to the audience to not set finn up with another Girlfriend by the end. And the LSp thing felt like a slap in the face >>149953953
He absolutely was meant to and the fact that the writers denied him a GF by the end proved they hated finn because they hated men
Anonymous No.149954108 >>149954173 >>149954246
>>149953945
>you HAVE to watch my show
No lol
Anonymous No.149954173 >>149954246
>>149954108
Yes, if you wanna be a big mouth about it
Anonymous No.149954221 >>149954276
>>149953989
I don't care about Finn getting a gf. I didn't say I didn't care about fucking anything bro. I knew it wasn't going to happen until it was time so why would I care? He didn't need one he just wanted one and he was wrong to want one when he was in the state he was in.
>>149954013
I just want to know.
Anonymous No.149954237 >>149954302
>>149954038
Ummmmmm bro stop fucking with me for a second. You didn't even answer my second post's question.
Anonymous No.149954246
>>149954108
What?
>>149954173
Who?
Anonymous No.149954260 >>149954302
>>149954038
ALSO can you fucking substantiate ANY of your claims. Like I don't even know what you mean about it being a fuck you to the fans or a slap in the face. WHY do you think that? Like anon do you not know how to fucking talk???
Anonymous No.149954276 >>149954405
>>149954221
>He didn't need one he just wanted one and he was wrong to want one when he was in the state he was in.
Femoid fingers typed this post. In your perfect scenario he would never be in the perfect state to get a GF you think finn should resign to being alone and miserable forever like what you feminist bitches want of all men
Anonymous No.149954302 >>149954476
>>149954237
Because from a story perspective he was meant to have gotten an rebound chick soon enough but didnt, ergo its proof the writers hated finn and the young male audience watching
>>149954260
Finns drawn out humiliation ritual was insulting to watch and designed to be that way
Anonymous No.149954362 >>149954438
It was yet another episode where a main character acted OOC in the service of a plot that was both bizarre and annoyingly pretentious, along with the fact that it two other things that fans disliked (more love-life melodrama shit, Finn's arm grows back). Though ironically this was really the last "romance" episode the show would have in that vein.
Anonymous No.149954379 >>149954476
>>149953690
>Finn got raped by LSP
Why people dont bring this up more often is weird to me, like you said, if Finn akwardly forced himself on LSP the show would have been canceled.
Anonymous No.149954402 >>149960340
Ok but seriously, who wast this direction change for? What part of the audience wanted the show to get turned into this shit? The children???
Anonymous No.149954405 >>149954433
>>149954276
No I don't. Finn was acting like a child in that arc. He just wasn't ready for one. I'm of the opinion that he should have gotten back together with PB in the end. By the end of the show he was a MAN. And he acted like one too.
Anonymous No.149954433 >>149954458
>>149954405
>Finn was acting out of character
FTFY
Anonymous No.149954438 >>149954498
>>149954362
Please substantiate your claims! In particular how do you think he was out of character and how was it pretentious? Out of all the AT episodes to say that about why this one?
Anonymous No.149954458 >>149954501
>>149954433
So he acted ooc for several fucking seasons? You're a retard holy shit. At that point one would normally think hey this character just changed. Especially since they showed us exactly why he did!
Anonymous No.149954476 >>149954501
>>149954302
Bot
>>149954379
Do you guys actually care about this? He's a big boy, if he didn't want it there's nothing she could have done.
Anonymous No.149954498 >>149954560
>>149954438
>In particular how do you think he was out of character and how was it pretentious?
It was out of character for Finn to start "kissing" a bunch of random chicks just because some new character he had never met told him to. And don't try the "he's a horny teenager" excuse; just because a character goes through puberty doesn't mean they completely change all of the sudden. The whole ending with all of its obnoxious symbolism is blatantly pretentious.
>Out of all the AT episodes to say that about why this one?
I don't single this one out. I know lots of other people do because they're so obsessed with how the show "mistreated Finn", which I think is overblown. I don't think it's much worse then most episodes of the show during season 6.
Anonymous No.149954501 >>149954589
>>149954458
At that point they maliciously changed his character to make him a dumbass to fuck with the male fans
>>149954476
>if i dont like your opinion youre a bot
Pussy
Anonymous No.149954560 >>149959861
>>149954498
Okay I'm pretty sure you're a bot because you didn't say how it's not in character for him to be horny but anyway just in case you're not a bot I NEED to know what you think was symbolism at the end and what it even meant. It seemed to me like it wasn't supposed to make any sense. If you think there's a meaning to any of it that would help me to understand your pov.
Anonymous No.149954589 >>149960564 >>149975092
>>149954501
>pussy
Nigger I called him a bot because he's clearly following programming. He cannot have a conversation like I asked, he can only find ways to be mad. I asked him to tell me WHY and instead he just repeated his original statement.

As for fucking with male fans, no it didn't because I and many other people here on /co/ didn't care.
Anonymous No.149956054
>>149953910
What flavour would his teeth be?
Anonyrnous No.149957099 >>149957288 >>149958727 >>149963489
>>149953603 (OP)
It represents the worst of Adventure Time's pretentious writing. Sometimes this artsy approach works, but at some point in S5/S6, there started being more cases where it was more insufferable than enlightening.
Anonymous No.149957184 >>149957288 >>149958221 >>149963489
>>149953603 (OP)
Show tries to be something that it wasnt. I invite shows to get a little serious with the plot like ben 10 or dbz but shoes like AT deadass tried to be like a whole different show with its shift in tone. Not only that but Rebecca's writing was just awful for this show.
Anonymous No.149957288 >>149958221 >>149959876 >>149959983 >>149961262 >>149999818
>>149957099
>>149957184
This. The thing I didn't like about AT's sudden shift into introspection and drama is that it never had the connective tissue to really sell it due to how fucking ridiculous early Adventure Time is.

ANYTHING could be the plot of an early Adventure Time episode. It operated on five-year-old logic or dream logic. Trying to ground it with emotional angst and melodrama isn't an impossible task, the problem is that Sugar is no David Lynch. You can't buy that it's the same show when you compare the tone/attitude/emotional intensity/atmosphere.

It's bad for the same reason if Astro Boy turned into Pluto halfway through the story. Or if classic Mega Man randomly turned into Mega Man X. You promised me wacky, colorful, and thrilling adventures. If I wanted something serious or psychological, I'd wait for an adult/teen edgy reboot in the future.
Anonymous No.149957558
>>149953690
I feel more like it was sex with a fatso which he regretted. He didn't get physically forced. The only way it was legit rape is if he didn't know how to say no because of 'tism and and was quite literally petrified because LSP IS his friend but felt like saying no would hurt her.
Anonymous No.149958221 >>149959725 >>149960902
>>149957184
>>149957288
>pinning all the blame on Sugar as if it wasn't a group effort, led by Muto no less
When will you people learn
Anonymous No.149958727 >>149963250 >>149963563
>>149957099
>pretentious
This is such a lazy, overrused criticism. Just because you don't/can't see meaning in a piece of art doesn't mean it isn't there. Breezy is really a pretty simple story about making unhealthy choices due to depression. It doesn't take itself overly seriously despite the heavy subject matter.
Anonymous No.149959725
>>149958221
Theres one fag here who HATES sugar and doesnt want to listen to reason on how sugar wasnt responsible for the FP break up disaster
Anonymous No.149959861
>>149954560
>Okay I'm pretty sure you're a bot because you didn't say how it's not in character for him to be horny but anyway
He did
>It was out of character for Finn to start "kissing" a bunch of random chicks just because some new character he had never met told him to. And don't try the "he's a horny teenager" excuse; just because a character goes through puberty doesn't mean they completely change all of the sudden
Anonymous No.149959876 >>149959983
>>149957288
The main issue is that it felt like it was being done by people that didn’t like the previous tone and needed to put as much distance between it and the new stuff as possible. But since it’s inherently tied to the show and the world they had to make shit about growing up and not doing certain things since Finn is older and not into just going to meep morp keep and fighting starch dudes with geometry guns.
Anonymous No.149959983 >>149960766 >>149964750
>>149957288
>>149959876
I just wish the show was still actually fun like it was originally. I dropped it as a teen half way thru its run because i hated how what was once my comfort show just became depressing to me. For all the babbling about mental health awareness these people do they negatively inflected damage upon me with this show and im sure other boys went thru similar shit as i did in regards to adventure time
Anonymous No.149960340 >>149960389
>>149954402
>Ok but seriously, who wast this direction change for?
Because the writers wanted it, to hell with what the kids think or what the audience actually wants because wasting screen time setting up dyke marcy and PB is more important then actually being entertaining
Anonymous No.149960389
>>149960340
>Because the writers wanted it, to hell with what the kids think or what the audience actually wants
This, unironically. If a network gives you the chance to go wild, and you don't take it, you are a giant pussy.
Anonymous No.149960403 >>149960421 >>149960422
>>149953832
Rape is rape, sorry sister.
LSP raped Finn in a kids show and you're ok with that.
Anonymous No.149960421
>>149960403
Femoids think rape against women is le bad while they laugh at men getting raped. The true intellectual take is thinking that men getting raped is funny and women getting raped is hot
Anonymous No.149960422
>>149960403
Finn was down.
Anonymous No.149960564 >>149960641
>>149954589
You're on a cartoon board speaking to probably an autistic guy. Maybe "meant" isn't the correct phrasing because AT was a planned story, a fiction, with events being dictated by the writers. There may have been a desire in the writers room for Finn to have a relationship, afterall the character expressed this often enough, which is possibly what anon meant when anon said "meant". But it was always curtailed.
The effect of this was toying with the viewers emotions like a cat with yarn, which is fine for a story, but for anon it became clear there would never be any cathartic release because a pattern had been established long enough, with PB, FP, Roselinen, etc all the way to HW and presumably beyond, for anon to lose hope and interest. Furthermore, this pattern of punishing male characters with loneliness and leaving them there exists outside of Adventure Time. Making the pattern a compounded one, looking at the source we can see relevant writers, network/studio executives and even financial executives, people with opinions which they have shared in the past, demonstrating a spiteful dislike of men and boys. It is easy for someone to make the connection that these decisions to treat characters like Finn in the way they have is deliberate, sometimes even expressly stated, it is not unreasonable to think what anon thought, what you have teased anon for. So if anon has been programmed to think the way anon did, this is the pattern doing it. Not a code but a pattern of emotional abuse inflicted on a mildly retarded man, or child depending on how old anon was while observing this.
Anyways, NTA so maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was a dream which informed anon.
tl;dr maybe anon didn't want to explain it to you because it should be obvious to anyone paying attention and longwinded to anyone not. A hopeless scenario like Finn's love life.
Anonymous No.149960641 >>149960688
>>149960564
>Furthermore, this pattern of punishing male characters with loneliness and leaving them there exists outside of Adventure Time. Making the pattern a compounded one, looking at the source we can see relevant writers, network/studio executives and even financial executives, people with opinions which they have shared in the past, demonstrating a spiteful dislike of men and boys.
Why do you say this yet later in the post call anon retarded for previously pointing that pattern out? You admit the problems their but still are trying to throw shade at people who are also calling it out
Anonymous No.149960688 >>149960703
>>149960641
I'll call you retarded too for failing to comprehend the connection I made between anon's possible autism, posting on this board, and being so affected by a children's show. Retard.
Anonymous No.149960703 >>149960720
>>149960688
Screech all you want but the other anons point still stands and hes right
Anonymous No.149960720 >>149960735
>>149960703
Suggesting someone may be mildly autistic or retarded on 4chan is hardly "throwing shade". Do you think I am not autistic or retarded in some other way? Get a grip, retard.
Anonymous No.149960735 >>149960837
>>149960720
Youre still trying to disagree with him by acting like hes overreacting when its not an overreaction to be pissed at the feminist agenda ruining male media and having its sights targeted at poisoning everything male default and making mens lives hell
Anonymous No.149960766 >>149960781 >>150002870
>>149959983
Yea there's an interestng effect that comes from content focusing on mental health or all the shit under Rebecca Sugar's umbrella (using her as an example from her other works' indulgence on that type of thing) that just ends up making you feel shitty, annoyed, and put off.
Anonymous No.149960781 >>150002870
>>149960766
>Yea there's an interestng effect that comes from content focusing on mental health or all the shit under Rebecca Sugar's umbrella (using her as an example from her other works' indulgence on that type of thing) that just ends up making you feel shitty, annoyed, and put off.
The amount of depression i went through over SUs decline in quality is a testament to that fact. I lived way too much vicariously thru steven universe as it was airing and my psyche paid the price for it
Anonymous No.149960837 >>149960866
>>149960735
Not true, I said anon wasn't being unreasonable.
As for you, I believe the term is "moving goalposts"? You clearly just want to argue and have changed YOUR stance while trying to guess what will get on my nerve.
You're outclassed, senor, that merchant Anita suits your post.
Anonymous No.149960866
>>149960837
Okay anon, ill concede

I still wanna fuck your mom tho
Anonymous No.149960902 >>149961351
>>149958221
Never said it was all her fault, I just think her writing was awful. But yes Muto was also responsible. Dude let a storyboard artists walk all over him and let a gay kiss get in the show without anyone looking.
Anonymous No.149961262 >>149961308 >>149962989
>>149957288


At least for Mega Man, Ben 10, Dragon Ball they did get serious; they simply never lost their identity and was doing things that increased the momentum of the IPs and just increased the stakes in the story.

AT was trying to be a different show altogether. No more one-off adventures or silliness. Relationship issues. LGBTQ topics for a godamn show for kids. Family problems. Adding in unnecessary lore for joke characters that were clearly made for laughs. Almost all of the females are just hating on Finn for no reason and many other stuff I cant get into.

If AT simply transitioned the show to finn taking his adventuring more seriously, still having that good silly nature and having actual stakes the show would've been golden. Too bad this show was given to people that dont know how to write a show for boys.
Anonymous No.149961308 >>149961525
>>149961262
>Too bad this show was given to people that dont know how to write a show for boys.
More like they didnt want to write a show for boys. Big difference
Anonymous No.149961351 >>149961372 >>149961400 >>149961772
>>149960902
You don't know what you're talking about. Muto's reign was more structured than Ward's was.
Anonymous No.149961372
>>149961351
Yeah it was structured into being shit
Anonymous No.149961400 >>149961416 >>149961509 >>149962802
>>149961351
I mean there was a video made by EZPZ stated by a blacklisted animator that the storyboard artist did shit that the team didnt know at the last moment.
Anonymous No.149961416 >>149961420
>>149961400
>EZPZ
Anonymous No.149961420 >>149961452
>>149961416
? Is there something wrong with EZPZ?
Anonymous No.149961452
>>149961420
Hes an extremist retard with shit views and shit opinions. So i dont believe a word out of his untrustworthy face
Anonymous No.149961509 >>149961564
>>149961400
That's not possible. You can't just sneak shit in last minute as a storyboard artist - you have to pitch it to the crew, then to the network, then it gets turned into an animatic, and then sent off to be animated.
Anonymous No.149961525
>>149961308
>More like they didnt want to write a show for boys. Big difference

Wow thats even worse than I thought.
Anonymous No.149961564
>>149961509
Yea you're right just watched the video and it looks like they just let the storyboard artist who was in charge do whatever they felt like at the time.
Anonymous No.149961772 >>149962060
>>149961351
>Muto's reign was more structured than Ward's was.

Well, no duh. Ward never envisioned this show to have an overarching story; it was just a silly show filled with one-offs.

>"Structured"

Debatable but sure.
Anonymous No.149962060
>>149961772
The show has always had a light continuity. Adam has mentioned before that Pen and Pat talked about it being serialized early on but CN wanted to keep it episodic. Hard to say how much of the more focused direction of the latter half is Muto's influence, and how much is just a function of the network letting go of control. Probs a combo
Anonymous No.149962708 >>149962786 >>149963489 >>150000052
>>149953603 (OP)
>shitty relationship melodrama when people already had enough of their infamously bad attempts at writing romance(young PB/Flame Princess)
>Finn acting as some fuckboy OoC retard once again to move the plot forward because otherwise how are the writers project their pathetic 20s something sexual hookups failures into the show?
>shilling PB as "truv luv" even tho we know she's a piece of shit incarnate with that hallucination
>Un-does arm loss after like 4 eps with the power of bad sexual allegories rendering the arm loss POINTLESS (and no, reversing this later with zero playoffs doesn't fix this, fuck you)
>LSP rape because apparently Pen Ward is such a manchild with zero self-respect that he agrees to do this to his own creation
I've seen gay AO3 fanfictions intentionally trying to be as stupid as possible and even those treat their audience with more intelligence and have better writing than this shitshow
Anonymous No.149962786 >>149971319
>>149962708
Good lord. Needed to know what they were smoking when they making the show halfway.
Anonymous No.149962802 >>149997930 >>150001282
>>149961400
Lol EZPZ video has aged like fine wine
Anonymous No.149962989 >>149964240
>>149961262
>Almost all of the females are just hating on Finn for no reason and many other stuff I cant get into.


Dont know what fuck the writers were thinking with that. Almost all of them became unlikable
Anonymous No.149963250 >>149972076
>>149958727
People can see it tho, they just think it doesn't fit show at all and it's out of character shit writing
Although a bunch of sexual rape allegories being the magical cure for teenager depression is very fitting for a bunch of emotionally stunted college aged retards that watched nuAT, truly an immature show made for manchildren despite how many claim otherwise lol
Anonymous No.149963489 >>149963780 >>149967448
>>149957099
>Pretentious writing
>>149957184
>show tries to be something that it wasn't.
>>149962708
>shitty relationship melodrama


BINGO. You guys hit it right in the money. Show dead ass wanted to leave its core premise and wanted to become som3thing else. If they wanted to make deep stuff they could've just made an adult swim show.
Anonymous No.149963563 >>149963780
>>149958727
>doesn't take itself overly seriously
All of Adventure Time post-shift became overly serious stuff that the creators treated like masterpieces.
Anonymous No.149963611 >>149964305 >>149966954
Holy shit, Adam Muto fucking SUCKS. How many successful pitches has he had that were based on characters he created? Yeah, he's a fucking parasite whose claim to fame is making his 2deep4u kid's show fanfiction a reality. Congrats, you're the John Byrne of cartoons.
Anonymous No.149963780 >>149963986
>>149963489
>>149963563
As a zoomer who watched Adventure Time as a tween, I remember getting really bored during this era of the show. All I wanted was more goofy episodes of Finn and Jake making jokes and fighting some wacky monster, not episodes of everybody talking in monotone about capitalism or the food chain or whatever. Even though it was once my favorite show, I stopped consistently watching in Season 6, and I think a lot of other kids did too. It's a stupid idea to force this sort of pretentious bullshit into a kid's show, it's too slow for kids and it's still too juvenile for adults. The only people it appeals to are stoners and stunted manchildren who can't handle actual adult shows.
Anonymous No.149963986 >>149972093
>>149963780
>The only people it appeals to are stoners and stunted manchildren who can't handle actual adult shows.
Alot of actual adult shows like breaking bad are consistently more entertaining then zombie adventure time was
Anonymous No.149964240 >>149964321
>>149962989
Still dont know wtf PBs problem was. Remember an episode she got mad at Finn and just kicked him out carrage for no reason.
Anonymous No.149964305 >>149966340
>>149963611
Hey, at least Byrne had his own comic and i donn't think he tried to cuck his MC
Anonymous No.149964321 >>149964527
>>149964240
What?
Anonymous No.149964527
>>149964321
I cant remember since its been almost a decade but I saw an episode/preview on tv where bubblegum got mad at Finn for something stupid. It was during when he was going out with flame princess.
Anonymous No.149964602
>>149953603 (OP)
I'm gonna share about a story of mine about Breezy, i once saw a clip on YouTube of all All the Little People (the part where Princess Bubblegum, Flame Princess fight and with Lady crying) then i saw the part of Breezy when Finn kisses all the princesses and then LSP does his move, for the longest i thought it was about Finn getting fresh with princesses and Lady and then getting caught red handed making me think it was a very trashy episode, recently i learned what it was about and i still think it's a trashy episode
Anonymous No.149964750 >>149965850
>>149959983
i dropped it after that spider domestic argument episode. Tying up finn and jake to make them sit through a couple's bad relationship was extremely boring if not uncomfortable. Like watching your parents or your friends parents fight. You wanna just leave. That episode had no adventure at all, compare it to something like Wizard school or the Wizard battle. I also preferred when they alluded to the world being post-apocalypse, that one episode we saw young Ice King and baby Marceline was all anyone needed, if anything it told too much. Seeing a broken down van, or a chunk of the earth being destroyed was perfect.
Anonymous No.149965850 >>149966698
>>149964750
>spider domestic argument episode

Was it really the entire episode?
Anonymous No.149965878
>>149953620
It's actually the episode where he get over his depression.
Anonymous No.149965889 >>149966357
>>149953690
>Finn got raped by LSP
There wasn't any sex, so no.
Anonymous No.149966340
>>149964305
I will never forgive John Byrne for Marvel-izing Superman.
Anonymous No.149966357
>>149965889
Why did it cut to them laying next to each other and she's asleep?
Anonymous No.149966698
>>149965850
Yup, its the 3rd episode in the fourth season. It has Finn being a counselor for them. Whole episode is a literal vent session. Pretty corny. Barely any action.
Anonymous No.149966954
>>149963611
Dude was a one hit blunder.
Anonymous No.149967448
>>149963489
>could've just made an adult swim show

Acting like they can make an og show that would last past two seasons on AS.
Anonymous No.149968422 >>149968654
>>149953603 (OP)
My Chest Is Full

To

BURRRRRRRST
Anonymous No.149968654 >>149969690
>>149968422
>what if adventure time but we do marvelslop instead
>what if it was also happy tree friends
>oh and Finn acts like a 12 yo again
That's basically what Fionna and Cake seems like.
Anonymous No.149969690 >>149970249 >>149971266
>>149968654
Is that spinoff even good?
Anonymous No.149969798
>>149953690
literally this. I cannot believe that they greenlit this episode just from this part alone
Anonymous No.149970249
>>149969690
It has Fionna in her underwear
Anonymous No.149970556
>>149953603 (OP)
I am still to this day a massive ATfag and this was the closest I ever came to dropping AT. I didn't, but man did Breezy push me.

Nothing new here, but the 2 big things that really burned my ass:
1. Obviously, the arm shit. What a pisser. After finally getting a big burst of story and character development it gets reversed after 4 episodes. It felt like the show telling the fans "Hey faggot, keep in mind this is an episodic cartoon and all your queer fanfiction about DEEPEST LORE and serialized drama isn't ever gonna happen, now Finn and Jake are gonna go on a wacky adventure again." Funnily enough, later on the show did get pretty serialized with stuff like the miniseries. but at this point it felt like Breezy told anyone who had a deep interest in this show to jump off a bridge.
2. LSP shit. People can beat around the bush all they want, but it really did seem like LSP sorta kinda date raped Finn and, personally, I just don't want to see that kind of shit in my cartoon. I don't know what the point was. The most tasteless thing that happened in the show.

It's not like the rest of it was good either. The songs were whatever, Breezy herself was an annoying character, the plot of Finn being depressed is potentially interesting but I also wouldn't say they handled it very well. So you have a weird, gross, not very good episode that killed all story momentum. Not much to like I would say.

If you're gonna have LSP rape my boy at least make her look like this.
Anonymous No.149970583 >>149970636 >>149972370
>>149953603 (OP)
>Jesse Moynihan
Need I say more?
Anonymous No.149970636
>>149970583
He made a lot of good stuff. He also made a lot of garbage. It depended on whether he was focused on just making fun cartoon stuff or if he was getting lost up his ass with spiritual mumbo jumbo no one else cared about and self inserting.
Anonymous No.149971266
>>149969690
No, if only coomers talk about it on this board it should be a red flag
Anonymous No.149971319 >>149971818
>>149962786
You genuinely wonder where for once were the censors?
/co/ points out often why corporate intervention and editors are shit (and many time they're), but there're times when you need a counterbalance to block shit like this episode
Anonymous No.149971438
>>149953603 (OP)
Honestly I just dislike relationship drama in general.
I don't give a shit who fucks who, I just want fun adventures.
I don't want pretentious pseudo-philosophical shit, either.
I basically stopped watching during season 6.
Anonymous No.149971818
>>149971319
>You genuinely wonder where for once were the censors?

Bro I was saying this shit for SU! They let the creators saying that fusion was a metaphor for sex on twitter. Sexual implications in the fusion dance and allowing a gay wedding in a bloody kid show. Out of all thw time censors dont come in was with these kinds of shows. Fucking swat kats got merked for nothing but SU got away Scott free and got a movie.
Anonymous No.149972076
>>149963250
>Although a bunch of sexual rape allegories being the magical cure for teenager depression
You just proved you didn't understand it at all
Anonymous No.149972093 >>149974785
>>149963986
I love Breaking Bad, but this comparison is silly. They are completely different beasts.
Anonymous No.149972370 >>149974088 >>149974088 >>149974584 >>149975031 >>149978401 >>149998551
>>149970583
>Jesse storyboarded for SideQuests
My body is ready
Anonymous No.149973962
>>149953620
First post sad post
Anonymous No.149974088 >>149974394
>>149972370
The fact that they knew even back then how badly it would be received just shows how much these hacks shouldn't have been working on this show
>>149972370
>the writer for breezy is returning for sidequests
Didnt they learn their lesson the first time with him?
Anonymous No.149974394
>>149974088
He was a storyboard artist in seasons 2-3. he's an obvious person to bring back if the aim is to recreate the feel of early AT
Anonymous No.149974584 >>149974778 >>149980503
>>149972370
BASED JMOYNS, gotta respect he knew what he was stirring up even then. That's a TRUE artist right there
Anonymous No.149974778
>>149974584
I think hes a fag and should kill himself for taking part in raping adventure time
Anonymous No.149974785 >>149977212
>>149972093
bcs was better
Anonymous No.149975031 >>149975057 >>149996361
>>149972370
God what a narcissist, makes me glad this episode became the #1 pick to describe everything wrong with AT and as the main drop off point of many.
How much do you bet these faggots lurk here?
Anonymous No.149975057 >>149975068 >>149991708
>>149975031
how does him being aware the episode will be polarising make him a narcissist?
Anonymous No.149975068 >>149975083
>>149975057
Nta but the fact that hes proud that he made that piece of shit episode whilist knowing full well how divisive and shit it is makes him a peak douchebag and cock gobbler
Anonymous No.149975083 >>149975107
>>149975068
because artists should just pander to the audience every time? I really disagree with this way of thinking
Anonymous No.149975092
>>149954589
You're a pussy.
Anonymous No.149975107 >>149975515
>>149975083
> because artists should just pander to the audience every time?
They shouldnt make objectively shit garbage out of spite against the audience like many """writers""" have been doing within the past ten years. People like the breezy writer are no better then scum like rian johnson
Anonymous No.149975515 >>149975522 >>149975563 >>149979262
>>149975107
Last Jedi is underrated btw

Not perfect, but underrated
Anonymous No.149975522 >>149975572
>>149975515
I have no horse in this race but it's a very highly rated movie
Anonymous No.149975563 >>149976223
>>149975515
>Last Jedi is underrated btw
Anonymous No.149975572 >>149976223
>>149975522
>but it's a very highly rated movie
Anonymous No.149976223 >>149976280 >>149976291
>>149975563
>>149975572
Don't give a fuck about Star Wars, but reactions like these make me think it's probably alright.
Anonymous No.149976280
>>149976223
>i hate star wars but ill support the sequels because fuck the chuds
You have the same mentality as rian when he was making TLJ
Anonymous No.149976291
>>149976223
Tranny
Anonymous No.149977212
>>149974785
Can't wait for Pluribus, Gilligan don't MISS
Anonymous No.149978401 >>149986506
>>149972370
>SideQuests
What's that?
Anonymous No.149979262
>>149975515
This has got to be a troll post.
Anonymous No.149980503
>>149974584
What ever happened to Cartoon Hangover? I remember it being huge a decade ago..
Anonymous No.149980820 >>149980872 >>149981581 >>149982859
It's time to admit Adventure Time was one of CN's weakest shows of the early 2010s and survived so long by being at the right place at the right time with CN needing to latch onto it to save them during the CN Real era.
Anonymous No.149980872
>>149980820
Nope
Anonymous No.149981581
>>149980820
That's only true on the later half of AT.
Anonymous No.149982859
>>149980820
Incorrect.
Anonymous No.149982998 >>149983027 >>149991530
>>149953603 (OP)
A lot of people chimped out because muh consequences. And I mean, it was kind of silly to give Finn back his arm so soon. But then he lost it anyway a season later so it's fine.
Anonymous No.149983027
>>149982998
Retard
Anonymous No.149983055
>>149953945
It's kinda funny how people shit on AT for being "ruined by shipping" but most of AT is not about shipping at all. It's they are who are ship/coom-brained faggots who only care about MC getting it on with some girl (the girl doesn't matter btw, just the fact that he gets with some consolation prize vagina)

You won't get good discussion of AT on /co/ outside of general threads when it's actually airing. The Fionna and Cake threads 2 years ago were a breath of fresh air, but now it's all back to the regular
>WHY DIDN'T FINN GET LAID WHY DIDN'T FINN GET LAID WHY DIDN'T FINN GET LAID
over and over because that's the only thing that matters to them.
Anonymous No.149983194 >>149983253 >>149983388
All this thread makes me wanna do is never engage with anything remotely adjacent to adventure time.
Anonymous No.149983253
>>149983194
I feel ya
Anonymous No.149983388 >>149984085
>>149983194
You should stick to the porn. Hubi will probably make some new pics in a few weeks, consistent source of bangers.
Anonymous No.149984085 >>149984397
>>149983388
Whos hubi ive never heard of that artist
Anonymous No.149984397 >>149985735
>>149984085
https://rule34.paheal.net/post/list/Hubi/1
Draw lots of Finn fucking every girl you can think of alongside a few wackier things. Good stuff, fun for the whole family.
Anonymous No.149984560 >>149984619 >>149985735
>>149953603 (OP)
It's obvious op, Omi was an egotistical loudmouth and never quite lived up to the hype, especially his own. He gets taken down a peg and joins the bad guys too, but in a less satisfying way than other characters too.
Anonymous No.149984619 >>149984892
>>149984560
Wrong show
Anonymous No.149984892 >>149985267
>>149984619
Yeah, but the picture looked close enough that I wanted to complain about him. Appreciate the effort to help, anon.
Anonymous No.149985012 >>149985735
You know what, yeah, maybe I DO not like it because I don't get enough sex in life. Who IS? Who's fucking anyone anymore? Why be embarrassed about it at this point, no one's getting with anybody.

People who don't get regular human contact are missing a key part of the human experience and they shouldn't be shamed for it, they should be assisted. Not as a further package of societal attack, as in actually get them over the idea of sex being validation by getting them responsible escorts and talking out their problems. Lots of autists genuinely aren't connecting like that and it's a basic physical need being unmet, filled in with political Usandthemers warmongering for endless internet fights as the center does nothing.

Before I had sex, let alone a relationship I felt like a reject of reality, genuinely unlovable and untouchable and it made me psychotic. Having sex with a genuinely attractive woman, and then also finding out she's kind of a whore for doing it while engaged to a marine was a relief of the medal of sexual validation.

You can feel like you aren't worth anything and still be with beautiful women, and beautiful women are just kind of pieces of shit like you so it's okay if you're not partnering, do your own thing. I would have never grown like that if I didn't get a /soc/ thread, and that was 2012, it's so much worse now. Incels just don't have the experiences to be okay with themselves and communists on the internet think capitalist shaming is going to make a near 45% disparity want to listen to bootstrap arguments and sociopathy. The Incel 'movement' isn't all of the people you argue online, the majority loath in silence or isolation.

The left is so fucking dumb sometimes, and it's hard to keep effortposting at you all.
Anonymous No.149985267
>>149984892
K
Anonymous No.149985549 >>149988969
>>149953603 (OP)
Imagine watching dragonball for the cool fights scenes and cool interactions and adventures and all of a sudden the show becomes a talk fest and melodrama about dating and bs philosophy.

That's What happend to AT.
Anonymous No.149985582 >>149985823
>>149953603 (OP)
he should have fucked the bee
and her queen form was ugly as fuck
Anonymous No.149985735
>>149984397
Thks fren ill fap to this later
>>149984560
>Omi
?
>>149985012
The issue is most of these feminists hate men so much theyre disgusted by the mere idea of sex and sexuality at all
Anonymous No.149985823 >>149985865 >>149985887
>>149985582
Your second point is correct and also why your first point was incorrect. Breezy was uggo as either a bee or the weird abomination with a bee head she turned into.

Fun fact apparently Breezy's voice actor is gonna voice Huntress Wizard based on HW's original voice actor not being in the comic con panel or whatever but Ashly Burch (Breezy) is there.
Anonymous No.149985833 >>149985877
I want to make a cartoon like AT with a female protagonist, and then put her through the same things Finn went through and I'll see what people say about it. I have a feeling you can get people to be forced to say "Yeah, that's character assassination", but first they have to be separated from the fact that Finn isn't as sympathetic of a protagonist. Bad shit can happen to him and people will go "Gasp! Its intelligent because usually the main character does get the girl" or some nonsense.
Anonymous No.149985865 >>149985896
>>149985823
Ashly burch voiced breezy? Also why replace HWs VA? I wanna rawdog IRL molly mcgee as much as the next anon but i dont understand the recast
Anonymous No.149985877 >>149986098
>>149985833
$Finn isn't as sympathetic of a protagonist
What?
Anonymous No.149985887 >>149985911
>>149985823
Nah, norma Breezy is cute you mong
Anonymous No.149985896
>>149985865
It's all conjecture so far, but it's also not crazy for an actor to be too busy to voice a character they did in the past. Especially because Jenny Slate voiced HW like 4 times over the course of 10 years. Maybe she's doing a movie or something that pays a lot more than AT.
Or a stupider reason, Prismo's voice actor didn't come back for Fionna and Cake S1 because for whatever reason his agents never told him about the opportunity even though he loved the character.
Anonymous No.149985911 >>149985915
>>149985887
Stay away from my local bee population you bug fucker
Anonymous No.149985915
>>149985911
Cope
Anonymous No.149986098 >>149986427
>>149985877
Unfortunately, he's not to most. Why else would they be able to get away with the character assassination he faced? The constant, weird regression where he needed to learn the same "lesson" multiple times?
Anonymous No.149986390
MY HERO ARISE

LET LOVE BE YOUR GUIDE
Anonymous No.149986427
>>149986098
Many people disliked Breezy
Anonymous No.149986506
>>149978401
Spinoff show set during seasons 1-2. Episodic Finn/Jake adventures.
Anonymous No.149986743 >>149988038 >>149989730 >>149992577
this is supposed to be out now
Anonymous No.149988038
>>149986743
cuteness
Anonymous No.149988969
>>149985549
Except I did read Dragonball for the cool adventures and fun characters and then all it became was dipshit laser fights in the sky with no stakes, no adventures, and every character become yes-men to Goku with no traits outside of that.
Anonymous No.149989271 >>149990485 >>150008575
>>149953603 (OP)
>>149953690
>Finn got raped by LSP
it's kind of funny that if LSP weren't just a purple lump and had a more humanoid shape she'd probably be one of the more popular Finn ship candidates, they just have a really fun dynamic as a pair
Anonymous No.149989730 >>149996361 >>149999688 >>150000948
>>149986743
I hate how that shit ship has taken over the franchise
Anonymous No.149990485 >>149991127 >>150008575
>>149989271
Anonymous No.149991127 >>149991139
>>149990485
I'm glad thwt he's gone. Good riddance
Anonymous No.149991139 >>149991155
>>149991127
Why the seething?
Anonymous No.149991155 >>149991166 >>149991235 >>149991326
>>149991139
He draw something very degenerate about the thing that I wasn't aware of, and it make me spoil the episode that was very late on air.
Anonymous No.149991166 >>149991214
>>149991155
Uh, i thought you dislliked the fact that FP is a jeet in this
Anonymous No.149991214 >>149991231 >>149991235
>>149991166
Yeah, I'm kinda upset about that too, but the latter is what pisses me off.

I hope he had a miserable life after that European censorship.
Anonymous No.149991231
>>149991214
Don't need too be upset she's shit so he deserves it
Anonymous No.149991235 >>149991326
>>149991155
>>149991214
What happened?
Anonymous No.149991326
>>149991235
>>149991155
Anonymous No.149991530 >>149991843
>>149982998
>muh they remove it later
Only because of the backslash of this episode mad them shit their pants and by that point nobody cared anymore.
Furthermore, it's not even like they did something with the robot arm either because it was barely used, in fact the only time I can remember the arm being used was Fern's fight which was so bad and lame that it doesn't even matter that much,
Anonymous No.149991708
>>149975057
How is bragging about the shit you yourself made knowing befofehand how much would would piss off the viewers not egocentristic?
Anonymous No.149991843 >>149991994 >>149996937
>>149991530
The only reason Finn "got his arm back" so soon was executive pressure to keep Finn's recognizable form. I can't remember where, but Muto implied at the time they were forced to do that sooner than they wanted. I believe the plan was always to give Finn a robo arm at some point, but it probably took some convincing for the network. Technically Finn's grass arm was not really his arm either.
Anonymous No.149991994 >>149992021 >>149992605
>>149991843
>executive mandate
That's just fan theory with no source to back it up in order to rationalize the writers abysmal writing decisions.
> I believe the plan was always to give Finn a robo arm at some point
And yet they barely did anything when they had a chance
>Technically Finn's grass arm was not really his arm either
And it looked the exact same way, in practice it was just a revert to status quo anyway despite pretending otherwise
Anonymous No.149992021 >>149993053
>>149991994
Why were the writers worried about changing status quo with finns arm while uprooting the status quo for the shows tone and characterization at the same time?
Anonymous No.149992577 >>150006163
>>149986743
It still not canon though. What's the point, yo?
Anonymous No.149992605
>>149991994
No, it's not just a fan theory. Muto said it, I remember. I believe it was at a con? I would try and find the source but I can't be assed. Just trust me bro, literally.
Anonymous No.149993053 >>149996168
>>149992021
God I love to know too. Dont know how businesses alike CN still thought AT was still profitable for what they were doing.
Anonymous No.149994623
>>149953603 (OP)
Don't be like that, bro.
Anonymous No.149996168 >>149996664
>>149993053
The way CN treats AT with all those specials they must think its as valuable as LOTR but it tanked so hard by the middle of its original run that no one but hipsters like it still
Anonymous No.149996361 >>149998304 >>149999853
>>149975031
>How much do you bet these faggots lurk here?
I hope they do. I hope all the writers responsible for adventure times reduction in quality have been pelted with negativity snd have seen all of the comments and takes /co/ has spouted over the years. At the moment i cant think of a single cartoon that i used to really enjoy that ruined itself harder then adventure time besides maybe star vs the forces of evil.

Also i have to believe that at least some of the writers are aware of the backlash towards the direction they took AT, considering i can feel the seethe of resentment from whoever wrote this CN pride bubbiline short over people who didnt like the ship in this >>149989730 post. So by that logic they must be somewhat aware of critics of their writing outside of their echo chamber of praise on animation circles on xitter
Anonymous No.149996664 >>149996752
>>149996168
Yup. Those business exec's need to realize twitter isnt a real place and quit listening to those kindsbofbpeople
Anonymous No.149996752
>>149996664
Anon, everyone has been telling execs to stop listening to twitter for 10 years now. But for whatever reason these senile boomers think some blue checkmark journalist the bird app is the voice of america and holds the average opinion of the modern market of audiences, even after the constant strings of bombs prove otherwise
Anonymous No.149996937
>>149991843
>so soon was executive pressure to keep Finn's recognizable form.
So they could keep the design consistent with the merch i take it. What a cynical aspect to writing that show
Anonymous No.149997930 >>149998456 >>150000465 >>150001282
>>149962802
I mean there a couple of stuff the blacklisted animator said that was farfetched but for the for rest he was so damn right.
Some of the stuff could easily be applied to modern day.
Anonymous No.149998304 >>149998416
>>149996361
>So by that logic they must be somewhat aware of critics of their writing outside of their echo chamber of praise on animation circles on xitter

Where the fuck did we good wrong where we hired people like this?
Anonymous No.149998416
>>149998304
>Where the fuck did we good wrong where we hired people like this?
When corpos started hiring people based on how popular their social media accounts were rather then their actual talent
Anonymous No.149998456
>>149997930
You mean like viviziepop?
Anonymous No.149998551 >>149999192
>>149972370
Why did he write it if he knew it was awful?
Anonymous No.149999192 >>149999407
>>149998551
That's thing with these modern animators. One of amphibians directors literally made fun of Disney formtrying to focus on getting a make demographic again.
Anonymous No.149999407
>>149999192
These animators really think there invincible on twtter huh?
Anonymous No.149999688 >>150000221
>>149989730
Future animators need to use this as an example why appealing to the twitter crowd is a VERY big mistake
Anonymous No.149999818 >>149999947 >>150000001
>>149957288
Nail on the head. I also hate the fact of Finn's potential trajectory sharply declining. Young guys want to see Finn get the princess, beat the fuck out of the bad guys and save the day. This is the 2010's so that's icky and why the princesses got elemental powers while Finn was stuck in some shitty melodrama loop. Like I wanna see dogshit like Sad Face or The Mountain.
Anonymous No.149999853
>>149996361
Some people on AT used to come to /co/ way back in the day, Pen Ward and Natasha Allegri would show up in threads every once in a while back in the early 2010's and Jesse Moynihan came to talk back threads about episodes he made. But 4chan really fell out of cultural relevance since then and AT stuff isn't put out as consistently as it used to be so I doubt much more desire for them to get feedback.
So probably not much.
Anonymous No.149999947
>>149999818
This was like the beginning when everyone show started hating its male demographic.
Anonymous No.150000001 >>150000107 >>150000280
>>149999818
>Nail on the head. I also hate the fact of Finn's potential trajectory sharply declining. Young guys want to see Finn get the princess, beat the fuck out of the bad guys and save the day. This is the 2010's so that's icky and why the princesses got elemental powers while Finn was stuck in some shitty melodrama loop. Like I wanna see dogshit like Sad Face or The Mountain.
yeah it wasn't just that Finn kept getting stuck in mediocre melodrama it's also the fact that it coincided with his competence as a hero absolutely cratering

like personally I had no problem with PB and Marceline getting some more focus in the later seasons, my problem was that Finn was in a major decline at the same time
Anonymous No.150000052 >>150010321
>>149962708
PB didn't get bad until after Season 4? but the seeds were planted as soon as they aged her up and carted her off to be scissorbuddies with Marceline in the same season. "haha she's immortal now guys" was their way of slamming bubbline down people's throats.
Anonymous No.150000107
>>150000001
> I had no problem with PB and Marceline getting some more focus in the later seasons

Too bad all of that shit was wasted for shpping garbage.
Anonymous No.150000221 >>150000318
>>149999688
>tumblr*
A chunk of the AT staff came from tumblr. The same cancer just lives on x/bluesky now.
Anonymous No.150000280 >>150000614
>>150000001
The reason PB was split off from Finn was so they could lay groundwork for dykes. The introduction of Flame Princess and What Was Missing occurs in the very same season. Bubbline was cancer from the start.
Anonymous No.150000318 >>150000422
>>150000221
So we were fucked from the start....
Anonymous No.150000422 >>150000568 >>150004001
>>150000318
Sugar, Muto, Natasha Allegri, the main dykepushers in Hanna K and Emma (now Lyle) Partridge (who came from dykifing the AT comics which is a whole other bag of worms), Wolfhard and Jmoyns, among others. Yes the writing was on the wall the moment the CN execs let them run. Said execs should have put a firm collar on their retarded asses instead.
Anonymous No.150000465
>>149997930
Tha ezpz bideo aged decently. Dude if he was right about the rest then imagine the shit we still dont know.
Anonymous No.150000568 >>150000675
>>150000422
>Emma (now Lyle) Partridge (who came from dykifing the AT comics which is a whole other bag of worms),
I dont know much on how those comics went down. Also of fucking course the writer became a fake male with a mystery meat dick
Anonymous No.150000614 >>150000675
>>150000280
The Bubbline shit started in 2011, but then didn't show back up until 2013, and only started getting pushed super hard in 2015. It was not a concentrated effort like people portray it as.
Anonymous No.150000675 >>150000708
>>150000568
The comics became ground zero for bubblinewank after a certain issue.

>>150000614
To keep it alive and not kill it off like Finn's many relationships? There was some kind of rule in place.
Anonymous No.150000708 >>150000783 >>150000804
>>150000675
It basically was killed off for 2 years, not sure what you mean. They eventually decided to bring it back and then here we are today.
Anonymous No.150000783 >>150000836
>>150000708
>"killed off"
see: the comics
Anonymous No.150000804 >>150000836
>>150000708
It wasn't exactly "killed off", but they couldn't make up their minds about how they wanted to implement it. There's like over a dozen Bubbline centered episodes that were spread out over a course of 7 yrs up until the final on-screen kiss.
Anonymous No.150000836 >>150000852
>>150000783
Oh yeah. But who gives a shit? The comics were never canon and pretty sure the people making the show never cared what happened in them. Muto has shit on the comics several times over the years.
>>150000804
All those except the first one (and if you wanna count them talking for 4 seconds in Go With Me) are long after the first one. Even if it wasn't dead it was in hibernation.
I always thought CN told them to lay off the lesbo shit for a while after the Mathematical thing happened and then eventually eased off so they brought Bubbline back.
Anonymous No.150000852 >>150000866 >>150000867
>>150000836
Most of the delay came from Muto, CN was ok with dyke representation since Rebecca Sugar's lesbian rock show was doing so well.
Anonymous No.150000866 >>150000904
>>150000852
But i thought was the one responsible for the bubbiline shit?
Anonymous No.150000867 >>150000885 >>150000986
>>150000852
Is that how it worked? Didn't they cancel SU because Sugar was making her rock dykes too dykey? Even if Muto was okay with it it must've taken him a while to get around to that stance, in 2011 and his involvement in the Mathematical thing he was annoyed the fans were going as crazy for Bubbline as they were.
Anonymous No.150000885 >>150000919
>>150000867
>Didn't they cancel SU because Sugar was making her rock dykes too dykey?
....no?
Anonymous No.150000904 >>150000948 >>150000981
>>150000866
Who was?
Anonymous No.150000919 >>150000944
>>150000885
I never finished watching it but I remember there being hubbub about Sugar doing the Ruby/Sapphire wedding being the reason the show had a rushed ending. That may be all wrong, I don't really care, that's just what I thought happened.
Anonymous No.150000944
>>150000919
It had several seasons and a movie anon. The series just ended, it wasn't cancelled.
Anonymous No.150000948
>>150000904
It was a combo of Sugar, Muto, Hanna K, the tranny among others. Sugar and people with the prog mindset have their prints all over CN if you look at their twitter >>149989730
Anonymous No.150000981 >>150001016
>>150000904
Muto, sorry i didnt realize i didnt type his name in that post
Anonymous No.150000986 >>150002246
>>150000867
Wasn't canceled but was cut short. Guess the gay wedding broke the camels back for the execs since the show was being pulled in some countries. At least thats what I heard.
Anonymous No.150001016 >>150001109
>>150000981
Nah, Bubbline was mostly Sugar's idea, but Muto and everyone else thought it was cool. Pen Ward had already stepped down at that point and didn't really care any more.
Anonymous No.150001077 >>150001218 >>150001580
>>149953603 (OP)
I've never watched a single episode or even a clip of Adventure Time, but it's one of my most hated shows in existence. I'll try to explain my reasoning:

1. I see Adventure Time as a major turning point in culture. Prior cartoonsβ€”even wacky, eccentric onesβ€”had been written the same way for literal decades, with little adult jabs and male gaze stuff. Think back to when you watched something like Dexter's Lab, and there'd be a throwaday joke about some hot woman with long legs or something. Adventure Time changed all that. The writers were socially progressive and eschewed anything that would be seen as regressive.

2. Early on, the show was setting up a romance between Princess Bubblegum and Finn, but couldn't commit to it. They kept it ambiguous and up in the air, teasing fans and remaining noncommittal. Eventually, they made a hard decision to abandon it, completely derailing it and going in the opposite direction. The reason for this, of course, is the age gap. Basically, writers refrained from doing what they wanted because of moral concerns. This is a complete 180 from cartoon creators from the past, like Bruce Timm, who famously had "old guy dates his younger female employee" relationships, just because they found it hot.

3. The show makes Finn a complete jackass for no real reason other than he's a boy. This trope isn't exactly new, seeing as it goes back to the '80s at least. But the basic idea is that the white boy character is selfish, reckless, and shortsighted, making dumb decisions to appease his ego or emotional whims. That type of character is contrasted with a woman or non-white character, who acts kind and reasonable. Adventure Time does that a lot, but one of the most infamous examples is the whole thing with Finn crashing his relationship with the Fire Princess.
Anonymous No.150001109 >>150001206
>>150001016
Bubbiline was confirmed long after sugar left tho. I think she wanted to imply they were last lovers but just ti stay exes and not to reunite them or anything
Anonymous No.150001206 >>150001233
>>150001109
>confirmed long after
like she was excommunicated and had no input like the songs in stakes?
Anonymous No.150001218
>>150001077
Dont forget that the show just randomly makes all the princess be cunts to Finn for barely any reason. Shit felt like character aspiration on all fronts.
Anonymous No.150001233
>>150001206
I didnt watch stakes i dropped AT around breezy
Anonymous No.150001282 >>150001478
>>149962802
>>149997930
What on Earth was that guy correct about? I just remember him talking about stuff like people jerking off in board meetings and stuff which sounds retarded and I for sure don't believe it. Especially because he got blacklisted by the industry so he would be bitter.
If any of this stuff was proven that would be a big find, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't so guys just asshurt. Maybe he was right about Alex Hirsch drama I never kept up with that stuff.
Anonymous No.150001478 >>150001665 >>150002684
>>150001282

EZPZ is not the blacklisted animator its from an anonymous one. To keep it short

He was right about how most of the guys in AT crew only even being there not for talent but because they knew ward and had high following on Tumblr.
Unprofessional at work.
All the gay shit they tried to push.
Rebecca sugars Steven bombs were to hide the bad ratings (This is a hard maybe since we dont have clear evidence but makes sense in retrospect.)
Rumors of mighty magiswords creator.
Rumors of Justin roliand.
High amounts of nepotism in the animation industry and peers.
Anonymous No.150001580 >>150001722
>>150001077
>I've never watched a single episode or even a clip of Adventure Time
so your opinion is worth jack shit then...
Anonymous No.150001665 >>150001736 >>150001822
>>150001478
I find it ironic that all the alt-right fags here circle jerk over EZPZ bullshit video and point out how it "predicted roiland" yet they just are supporting #MehTurd feminist shit by having such moralfag outrage over some bitches lies
Anonymous No.150001722 >>150004381
>>150001580
Life it too short to spend on fiction you're going to hate. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts. Regardless
>but can you pRRRRRRRRRRRRooooooooooooVVVVVVVVVVVVVVeeeeeeeeeeeeee iT?
is not an argument. Either tell me I'm wrong, or tell me I'm right. There's no such thing as "you lost on the basis that you don't know for sure."
Anonymous No.150001736
>>150001665
>I find it ironic that all the alt-right fags here circle jerk

like five dudes agree and its suddenly a circle jerk.
Anonymous No.150001822
>>150001665
Wtf does "alt-right" got to do with this?
Anonymous No.150002246
>>150000986
Guess all that promotion they have been showing for lgbtq meant jackshit if hits their pockets.
Anonymous No.150002684
>>150001478
>He was right about how most of the guys in AT crew only even being there not for talent

Dont gotta tell us that. The show halfway showed that.
Anonymous No.150002870 >>150002893
>>149960766
>>149960781
At least sugar had finn and FP go on adventures. When she left the writers were incapable of just keeping her as a secondary character that showed up sometimes, they HAD to break fin and her up so that she would be demoted to tertiary character that could be pulled out and put away on a whim.
Anonymous No.150002893 >>150010748
>>150002870
FP shouldn’t have existed at all
Anonymous No.150003201 >>150003409 >>150003788
Its shitty to spend so much time on Finn's romance without a resolution to it. Its just bad writing. If there wasn't so much romance shit or if it was just confined to Finn's crush on Princess Bubblegum then him not getting with anyone would have been fine. But so much time was spent on an arc with no payoff.

It felt like towards the end of the show the writers wanted to subvert male power fantasy tropes so much that they gave up on writing the male characters altogether. Except for like, Simon. Because he was tumblr sexy
Anonymous No.150003409
>>150003201
>if it was just confined to Finn's crush on Princess Bubblegum then him not getting with anyone would have been fine
No it wouldn't have.
Anonymous No.150003788 >>150004229
>>150003201
Finn's relationships with PB and FP had resolutions.
>ends up as a friend to PB and happy with it
>apologizes about how he treated FP and they become friends again
you can certainly say it was shitty, but it's not like they left the stories unfinished.

meanwhile the Huntress shit is weird because they totally half assed it. she shows up, she and Finn agree they aren't gonna be together, then she comes back and basically gives a declaration of love, then the show ends and that's it. are they together? who the fuck knows. this is the part of Finn's story where they did just give up. but for the rest of Finn's romantic relationships they did have conclusions.
Anonymous No.150004001
>>150000422
Would love to know what was there thought process of adding relationship issues in AT. Like what was going inside their heads making this.
Anonymous No.150004229 >>150004289
>>150003788
I agree that Finn's relationship with HW was kinda half baked, and that those characters should have spent more time together, but it's clear they're together in the end. The last episode they're in together has HW giving Finn an elk's heart on his birthday, it's very cute.

I'm glad to see HW is in F&C season 2, I hope we can see more of Finn and HW's relationship
Anonymous No.150004289 >>150004523
>>150004229
see I agree with you, it makes the most sense, but I still don't know if it's true or not. the finale ended on a very noncommittal note instead of having anything regarding their relationship and since then they've made sure to keep it ambiguous while still throwing plenty of hints for fans to jerk off over. the way their first episode ended means they could have an on-again off-again thing, so does that count as them actually being together?

based on how they've stubbornly gone out of their way to not confirm this for some reason I'm wondering if they're actually together. reminder that Wild Hunt is 8 fucking years old by now.
Anonymous No.150004314 >>150004370 >>150005714
>>149953603 (OP)
I fucking hate it because Adventure Time stopped being about Times for Adventure. I really liked the early seasons, but the more that shit went on the worse it got. I dont give a fuck about Finn's girlfriend problems, I dot give a fucking about the lesbians, I dont give a fuck about Jake being a fuckin brick, I dont give a fuck about some elemental bullshit, I want to see Finn and his best friend the talking rubber dog Jake go on adventures and have a radical time.
Anonymous No.150004370
>>150004314
You'd get gaslight and jumped super hard if you said something this based on twitter or reddit.
Anonymous No.150004381 >>150007645 >>150009979
>>150001722
You're wrong, retarded and should hang yourself
Anonymous No.150004523 >>150004582
>>150004289
I guess the only thing to do is wait and see, but I'd bet money on Finn and HW being together. There is nothing I'd love more then a Distant Lands or F&C episode where Finn and HW are married and have a bunch of half plant kids running around.

I wonder how the comics handle it. I'm actually reading my way though them right now, but I'm only on Issue 7 and I know HW can't possibly show up till around the end.
Anonymous No.150004582
>>150004523
>There is nothing I'd love more then a Distant Lands or F&C episode where Finn and HW are married and have a bunch of half plant kids running around.
as nice as that would be I don't see it ever in a million years happening, Adventure Time can't even put them onscreen at the same time so they're not gonna do something as fan servicey as that. I hope they're confirmed, which is a realistic outcome.

she only has a small role in the Season 11 (terrible name) comics, and it's basically noncommittal like the rest of AT. she gives Finn a pep talk or something and they don't really confirm their relationship. think that's all she's been in, she was a background character for most of the show.
Anonymous No.150005714 >>150007092 >>150010655
>>150004314
>Adventure Time stopped being about Times for Adventure
Wrong. We still had plenty of adventures even after the show had delved deeper into lore and character drama. They didn't lie when they said "the fun will never end"
Anonymous No.150006163 >>150006731
>>149992577
It's fun
Anonymous No.150006731
>>150006163
I guess it is then, huh.... Wanna make out?
Anonymous No.150007092
>>150005714
>They didn't lie when they said "the fun will never end"
It absolutely ended when the "fun" nose dived into lesbian soap opera drama and shitting on the MC that the all the young male audience related too. Fuck off
Anonymous No.150007645
>>150004381
Kek thanks, Saving this for later
Anonymous No.150008575
>>149989271
>>149990485
Imagine we have more human or anthropomorphic design of LSP in the show.
Anonymous No.150009130
>>149953603 (OP)
Did they forget how she exist?
Anonymous No.150009979
>>150004381
Explain how.
Anonymous No.150010321 >>150010384 >>150011041
>>150000052
>PB didn't get bad until after Season 4?
not really, even if you go with her original personality and backstory she's still shit. Early on she was just le mad scientist smart women #124 which apparently despite this still gets kidnapped by ice king and needs to rely on some child soldier and his magic dog to her dirty work, we didn't even need this bitch in the first place in a post-apocalyptic D&D world
What the following all did was make her shitness even more obvious to the viewers by turning her into the writers pet mary sue with a DA OC donut steel backstory
Anonymous No.150010384
>>150010321
She was fine early on like most other characters in AT?
>there are no princesses in D&D environments (medieval times)
Come again?
Anonymous No.150010655
>>150005714
Those clash too much with the tone of the other episodes to matter that much in the long term hence why they get ignored, I was genuinely wondering who was this show even for by season 6
Anonymous No.150010748
>>150002893
Correct, she was the original consolation prize after the writers backtracked young PB and all they did with her was just a repetition of young PB arc but with 10x worse writing.
Anonymous No.150011041
>>150010321
Early on she was a ditsy smart girl who nonetheless was just a normal chick made of gum, how the fuck was she supposed to be able to stop herself from getting kidnapped by the crazy guy who can freeze whatever he wants? Keep in mind all of her candy citizens are retarded and incompetent.
It wasn't until at least season 4 where she started getting "badass" enough that Ice King's kidnappings, and anything else she needed Finn and Jake's help for, started making less sense.

Other than that PB served as a vehicle for Finn and Jake to get into adventures and was a fun enough character on her own right. You guys are so poisoned by years of hating this show that you try to retroactively say everything about it was always shit which is stupid.