Thread 149964667

why has there never been a cool black character? theyre always like involved with cringey stuff like jive talk (falcon) malcom x (static) or "muh hip hop culture" (miles)

i think spawn is the only one

>>149964667 (OP)
Blade is way cooler than Spawn.

>>149964667 (OP)
Because sadly they always make that their personality, their thing, is being black. And it shouldn't necessarily be that way. I have just read the first decade of Spider-Man comics, but Robbie is a cool guy. I like him. In some of his first appearances he would talk about topics related with civil rights, specially with his son. But it wasn't very annoying, and overall I wouldn't call him "the civil rights guy"
One note characters like that aren't good

>>149964783
Blade was nothing until the movies, and he's always been a lame jazz guy or hip hop guy in either

They overthink it mainly. Either they want them to try too hard to be a cool urban black guy, or they're too clean cut and inoffensive
Spawn was effectively conceived without a race in mind, McFarlane made him black because he wanted to name him after a guy he knew who was black and ran with it and thought there wouldn't be any reason why white readers wouldn't like a black character if he made him cool enough.

>>149964667 (OP)
Icon. Him or Wise Son.

>>149964667 (OP)
There are plenty of cool black characters, the problem is that some comic book creators don't really respect black Americans. And when I mean respect, I mean seeing them as people which means neither handling them as tokens with kid gloves on (that's dehumanizing and infantilization), going full SHIEEEEET, or turning them into non-threatening nerdy Oreos.

The solution is to just treat black people like people. Stop putting them on pedestals or acting like they're inhuman. Go out and talk to them, make some friends, or read about black history in a book that's not written by someone with a liberal arts degree who doesn't live near black people.

>>149964798
I've noticed that black characters tend to come in a few varieties.

>the serious one (usually an authority figure)
>the tough one (the fighter)
>the energetic one (always on his feet - runner)
>the super positive one (golly gee whiz)
>the shy one
>the funny one
>the nerdy one
>the self-hating one
>the hater

>>149966009
I always hate when people insist that Spawn isn't black enough of a character because that kinda goes against the whole philosophy behind his character. Obviously, Spawn being black isn't inconsequential or unimportant, but morons going "he need to be a BLACK superhero, clearly Todd FAILED in this department" kinda end up reinforcing racism.

Morgan Freeman got a lot of flack for saying "stop talking about race/racism" in that one interview, but he was kinda right. People need to stop dwelling on race and racism, especially towards fictional hyper-exaggerated dramatic settings. I love Spawn and I want more pulpy heroes just like him.

>>149966226
my wife

>>149965947
this

>>149964667 (OP)
Storm?

Also I vaguely remember Icon being fine despite literally just being black Superman

>>149966148
>The solution is to just treat black people like people. Stop putting them on pedestals or acting like they're inhuman. Go out and talk to them, make some friends, or read about black history in a book that's not written by someone with a liberal arts degree who doesn't live near black people.


I keep seeing this but I think its fucking retarded. Nobody reads superhero comics because they don't want to see the hero act or do inhuman shit. Maybe just be okay that the black guy will be better than everyone else because that's how these kinds of books work? I swear only white people and their toms have a issue with this shit when its a black person. Nobody got their nuts in a twist when they saw 10,000 little Asian kids turn into demigods by the age of 16 in manga. Fuckin Cyborg who is half alien robot mind you is a better hacker than Batman!?! This can't be allowed to stand! Get a grip white people. Jesus Christ.

>>149966285
Samuel L Jackson is proof of what I'm talking about. I can't name a single person who sincerely hates the guy. He's pretty much played every kind of black character archetype there is and he never had to come across as "acting white" or "acting black" as a person to do it. He's such a cool dude.

>>149966148
She isn't exactly black but what do you think about her, i mean she fits the first, second an eight point and hse has lightning powers to boot so?

>>149964667 (OP)
Black characters can be universally loved by literally everyone if they're not legacy characters or make "I'M BLACK, YALL" their entire personality. Hence why Blade and Spawn is cool.

>>149966381
I love Garnet. While I do wish pop fiction would produce more black characters that aren't just stoic/authority figures (seriously, think about just how many black characters are serious or in places of authority), I never got sick of seeing Garnet. She's wise, she's kickass, and she can be really endearing and funny. And I like whenever she's vulnerable.

>>149965188
I liked Midnight Massacre.

>>149964667 (OP)
I liked Bishop as a kid.

>>149964667 (OP)
What about Rhodey?

>can't you black people stop being so black
>I'd really like black characters in media if they didn't act like black people or reference black history or culture in any way
Just say you hate black people
Stop trying to hide it behind attempts at being socially acceptable. It doesn't work. You just look like a gay racist nerd instead of a racist.

>>149966387
I think you can make black legacy characters universally loved, the problem is that writers treat them like shit and don't put enough love and care into their stories because they'd prefer to make money off of royalties and kick the can to the next writer. The characters end up coming across like tokens or diversity hires.

I love Batwing I. But I hate Lucius Fox and Signal. Hate Miles Morales in the comics, but the second Spider-Verse movie did a great job with him. Love Aqualad (but then they made him gay and now no one wants to do anything with him).

>>149966500
RHODEY MY BELOVED

Rhodey's so fucking cool. The MCU did him dirty.

>>149966508
Stfu

>>149966579
No u, gay-ass racist nerd.

>>149964667 (OP)
I'm more interested in McDuffie's thought process as he approved the design in your pic
>yeah, my wholesome teenage black character totally should dress like a gimp

>>149966508
No one ever said black characters can't act black or reference black history/culture, the problem is that Anglo writers generally don't see black people as human and it reflects in what they write.

Whenever the attempt is made to write about black history or culture, it's always done in a very egocentric/patronizing/dehumanizing/self-hating way. It's how we get whites demanding to see stuff about "the BLACK experience" as if being black somehow makes your life way more uniquely different than a white guy's. Obviously, black men are treated differently than white men, but the prevailing attitude among liberal white is still reinforcing racism by acting as if the inherent differences between ethnic-cultural groups are MUCH deeper than they actually are and that there's no way the average person could empathize without bringing attention to those differences. That's retarded. Black people and white people have far more in common than anyone wants to admit.

>>149966610
Retard

>>149966488
I like his goggles. What's his deal?

>>149966612
It was the style at the time

>>149966638
That's a whole lot of bullshit to hide the fact that you want black people and characters to "act white" because to you "American anglo" is just a default and not its own culture.

Your attempts to cover your racism are nothing but concern trolling. Eat a dick, nigga.

>>149966500
it still blows my mind that he sold more comics than Tony did as Iron Man and that his War Machine runs were also more successful

truly the Chad we all deserve more of

>why has there never been a cool black character?
What if I offered you a comic full of them?

>>149966689
Fag

>>149966612
>Generate and use electricity
>Cover most of your body in an insulating material so you don't waste all of it in the ground or accidentally fry something by getting close enough to form electric arcs

It's still completely retarded because it's capeshit so he can wear whatever the writer wants but I can see some sort of logic

>>149966689
In all fairness, black people keep telling us we don't have a culture and then wonder why stores keep stocking Father's Day cards.

>>149964667 (OP)
Frank Castle, The Punisher
Bloodwynd, when he was MMH in disguise
Ketema, the Black Panther

>>149966535
>but the second Spider-Verse movie did a great job with him
You mean the movie that derailed his character arc with Gwen from the first one while also tearing down the entire IP and turning every Spider into a retard in a death cult so he can "do his own thang"?

>>149966312
It's not about black characters being better, they almost never are other than Miles who has been a Gary Stu since day 1.

It's about dehumanizing blacks by making them stereoptypes. It'd be the equivalent of like, a black written series where every white person is a haughty yuppie, evil business man poisoning their koolaid, or a redneck KKK member

And yeah that happens too

>>149966659
He's a silent hero with a traffic sign motif. He does good deeds in the town to fight against an undercurrent of despair permeating throughout it, all while refusing to break even the most minor of laws such as jay walking. I liked it, but the art wavers and there are these two little precocious black kids that can be annoying sometimes.

>>149965947
Ok you got me

>>149966381
Garnet will be forever the best black coded character ever created in media, she's the only reason I cannot get myself to fully hate Rebecca

>>149964667 (OP)
Convince me he isn't cool.
Seriously, I'm curious if there's something I don't know.

>>149966302
Icon is awful. /co/ pretends he's good because he's a Black Republican and ignore that the whole point of the comic was that he was wrong about almost everything and needed to change his mindset.

>>149967434
It would be one thing if they were black caricatures made by people (of any race) who lived around black people, because it would be no different than pulpy fiction made by black people where that's exactly the case. Not ideal, but nowhere near as damaging. It's genuinely shitty because instead it's made by Anglos who don't want to have anything to do with black people but still want to be known as "not racist" to others.

>>149967510
That sounds really sweet.

>>149964667 (OP)
you missed Icon.
he was good back in the milestone run.

>>149968009
it's called character development, anon.
his mindset was "black people will always be black people", until a juvenile gangster made him believe that you can change the world with one little action at the time, with one person at the time.

>>149967777
He is cool.

Steel is fucking awesome

>>149969162
yeah i loved the twist in superman and luois s1 where you think its gonna be lex from another universe thats black because hes bald and in lexcorp armour.

>>149967777
I can't convince you he isn't. But I also can't convince you he is.

>>149966312
>only white people
not him but I'm not white, and I don't have any problem with a black person being better than someone else. It's about execution, and also how they are portrayed. You didn't understand what he was talking about

>>149966312
>only white people
I'm not white, and I don't have any problem with a black person being better than someone else. It's about execution, and also how they are portrayed. You didn't understand what he was talking about

>>149966556
I played his game recently. I like how he alternates from jive talking black guy to someone who takes his job very seriously.

>>149966381
>what do you think about her
Painfully boring.

>>149966508
>reference black history or culture
Black history and culture basically doesn't exist.

Black American history is basically just Jews buying them from other Africans, bringing them to the US, being freed, then endlessly bitching about not getting more rights and handouts then they'd ever get in any of the African countries that they came from. Black American culture is basically just crime, bastardizing the English language by refusing to actually learn it (which is why they say shit like "ratchet" as a bastardization of "wretched") and shitty media sold to them by Jews.

Africa (sub-saharan Africa, where Blacks actually come from) has a history that consists almost entirely of not advancing past the stone age and mud huts as far as we know because much of the continent didn't even bother to create a written language. The rest is just tribal warfare, enslaving each other and rape.

For me it's Verb.

>>149964667 (OP)
>why has there never been a cool black character?

>>149964667 (OP)
>Malcolm X
>Popular music
>Cringe

OP confirmed to be a loser cracker

>>149966249
You can read a large portion of Spawn without ever even knowing he’s black. It’s pretty superficial and obscure trivia, that’s the problem.

>>149972328
You can play a large portion of Half-Life without ever even knowing Gordon Freeman is white. It’s pretty superficial and obscure trivia, that’s the problem.

>>149972691
>not Knuckles

>>149964667 (OP)
Am I crazy if I think Static actually works when making his personality or character black? Like he’s just a nerdy black kid in the projects who ends up running with the wrong crowd to fit in and realizes he isn’t a gangster or a murderer but obviously it’s too late as there’s a huge psyop gang war going on and he gets mixed up in the Big Bang, but it also give him a second chance at life to make things right for his city and what he was changing into before he got his powers. I feel like it’s actually a positive message, you don’t have to be “tough” or “hard” or ruin your life to fit in, you can just enjoy being yourself

>>149964667 (OP)
Bishop

Mosaic could have been something, but he was presented with his own comic without actually being introduced in any other titles, for a target audience that doesn't exist, and being an Inhuman is not a pro, it's a con. No one gives a shit about inhumans.

>>149964667 (OP)
People who get into comics and then writing and drawing them are inherently at odds with "real" black culture, which likely tried to drag down and destroy the ambitions of any young black creative who wanted to write and draw instead of deal drugs, rap, or play basketball. However, black creatives are completely chained to the idea that they have to represent and authentically speak on behalf of black culture, because otherwise Jew producers and executives won't hire them or publish their works.

>>149966381
She's effectively just a Magical Negro cliche with some extra bells and whistles. Also she can sing and dance, because of course the wise black mentor needs to also be able to shuck and jive for the white man's chubby, stupid little kid who is always bothering her.

>>149964667 (OP)
War Machine is fucking great.

Storm is obviously the ultimate example.

>>149972754
Half-Life is a first person shooter and the game franchise’s promotional material and box art still frequently shows Gordon as white, dear disingenuous fuckface

our boy

>>149964667 (OP)
I liked Rocket Racer. But then, he was at best a minor character.

>>149964667 (OP)
>malcom x (static
huh

>>149972829
That's because Static is more authentic as a kid who doesn't want to be a gang banger. That's something real and more relatable than someone trying to create Swag Man, the coolest nigga in the ghetto, who is always hip and stylish, and always keeps it real.

>>149973105
Cartoon only

>>149972829
Came into this thread to post Static.
>>149965947
Frozone is cool too.

>>149973130
I, for one, eagerly await Swag Man #1

>>149973027
How is that relevant to the plot though?

>>149973027
Also replace half life with metroid and your criticisms don't work.

>>149964667 (OP)
How many popular black cape characters are there that weren't created by white authors?

>>149973461
I can only think of Static and he hasn't been relevant in years.

>>149964667 (OP)
Nah, Falcon in the comics is dope as fuck. You have shitty taste.

>>149973982
>dope as fuck
cringe

>>149973531
I mean... That's because they haven't really done with him anything in years.

>>149965947
/thread, honestly.

>>149966638
>Dwayne McDuffie
>Anglo

Whole lotta bullshit to type when you showed you were talking out your ass from the start.

>>149972296
Stfu

>>149972995
Cope

>>149965947
I lost

>>149964667 (OP)
Don't forget the ever popular "we waz makin' spaz roketz n' sheeeit b'fore whipipo waz n' mud hutz". Literally the only good black characters are Luke Cage, Blade and Spawn because they aren't race swap replacements, pandering, white guilt or "az a black man an sheeeit".

>>149973420
>Well wot aboot ‘notha game

Someone really is desperate. Samus’ gender was initially a twist and it has since been promoted widely and it is also made visually visible often enough where as with Spawn Al’s his ethnicity it is not mentioned or shown visually so most people not already familiar with the IP would even know or have a clue that he is even meant to be an African American.

>>149975302
She's Uncle Remus in sunglasses.

>>149976000
So, go be a fag about it somewhere else

>>149976062
Cry about it.

>>149976124
That’s what (you) have been doing

>>149973009
>>War Machine is fucking great.

Carol should be pregnant with his child by now. And that’s a fact.

>>149976188
War Machine should have nothing to do with that LIVE LAUGH LOVE basic ass roastie whore.
Rhodey is a take-no-shit veteran turned superhero and a proud black man. They put him through the most emasculating shit as a Captain Marvel supporting character.
Where's the asshole womanizer I grew up with?

>>149976454
I don’t mind them being together but they never show the relationship from Rhodey’s side as depicted in your pic.
Show Carol getting dicked down by Rhodey. Then with Carol waking up happy post-coitus and Rhodey going “Whatever bitch.”

>>149971798
But hes not shown without the costume so no black man representation

>>149972691
Sonic is as white and lame as the Justin Beiber and Green Day era.

>>149972804
Knuckles isn't any better. Hes depicted as a self isolated autist who is shy around girls and gets tricked by anyone that thinks his Island and duty is mid but tells him he'll need their help. No black coded character who has girl repellant social skills, gets trolled easily and hates and seethes being outdone by people like Sonic is gonna act that realistic

>>149964667 (OP)
Static was pretty cool in Static Shock. It's crazy DC never found a way to make him work after the success of the show.

>>149976496
I didn't mind it till that arc where she cucked him with Stephen Strange and he explained how her selfish, whorish behavior was justified and he loved her no matter what.

>>149976954
Because of that whole thing, Carol should have given him a free pass on someone he chooses. And Rhodey should have picked Jessica Drew. So Rhodey fucks Jessica in front of Carol.
And. Carol finds out she gets turned on being a cuckqueen.

>>149964667 (OP)
Static’s pretty cool.

I didn’t know his love interest were based on Spider-Man’s.
Frieda Goren = Mary Jane Watson
Daisy Watkins = Gwen Stacy
Dusk = Black Cat

Only instead of killing off the “Gwen Stacy” character, they chose to kill off the “Black Cat” one.