Thread 149969504

I just got a Marvel Unlimited account, started reading Claremont/Cockrum X-men and Miller Daredevil. Also planning on Grunewald's Cap run and Peter David's Hulk run. Does anyone have any other suggestions on other Marvel runs? And what it everyone else reading this week?

Hate by Peter Bagge

DC Comics Presents and the Ostrander/Mandrake Spectre run.

This week I've mostly been reading late 80s Avengers. Both East and West teams go through massive falling apart stories. Which is awful since it feels like half the characters I liked have been ruined horribly or have something awful in their near future and I don't feel like continuing, but need to.

>>149969504 (OP)
Trying to see if Top Cow can actually do something decent or if they are just good for cheesecake.
That and spawn.

>>149969689
Where are you at in Spawn? I've really been considering the compendiums lately, even though that last time I tried to read it I tapped out at like issue 50.

Just finished Fraction's Hawkeye and am now in love with Kate Bishop

Starting Morrison's X-Men next

>>149969730
>Where are you at in Spawn?
Still early, issue #5.
Started reading a couple days ago because i finished the TV show. I was told to hell and back the actual comic is okay at best, so i'm going in with tempered expectation.

Finished this.

>>149969735
Why didn't they use Hawkeye's bad guys like Blind Justice or Bullet Biker?
It is sarcasm, those guys suck.

>>149969504 (OP)
I recently just finished up the 9th Savage Sword of Conan omnibus which ended with pic related.

>>149969504 (OP)
I didn't even see the movie but I caught a Fantastic Four bug and started reading from the beginning. I've read some of this before but never through the entire Lee/Kirby run.

>>149969504 (OP)
Been reading through the Captain Britain Omnibus, just finished the Moore stuff. It's been pretty good

>>149969735
>Fraction's Hawkeye

>>149970055
Back to your chair

>>149969504 (OP)
>Does anyone have any other suggestions on other Marvel runs?

Long form? I'll stick to Shooter era and beyond, unless you say you want older stuff.

>Roger Stern's Amazing Spider-Man
>Bob Layton and David Michelinie's 1st Iron Man run
>Bob Layton and David Michelinie's 2nd Iron Man run
>Walt Simonson's Thor
>John Byrne's Fantastic Four
>Sensational She-Hulk, ESPECIALLY the John Byrne issues
>Alan Davis's Captain Britain (NOT JUST the Alan Moore issues)

Started working on reading through the complete set of Spider-Man again after a break for a couple of years. In the late 80s at the moment

>>149969504 (OP)
Claremont's New Mutants. The book goes to shit once Simonson takes over.

>>149969504 (OP)
Nothing, I'm studying for exams. But once I'm done, I'll start reading King in Black.

>>149970055
I like self contained stuff, when I see storylines that require you to juggle seven different comics and miniseries my eyes glaze over

>>149970100
>>Alan Davis's Captain Britain
>>149970216
>Claremont's New Mutants

Adding to these: Claremont and Davis's Excalibur.

>>149970231
It's the book that's responsible for ruining Hawkeye as a character by turning him into a joke

>>149970100
>>Roger Stern's Amazing Spider-Man

Don't forget Peter David's Spider-Man. (Which is spread across multiple Spider-Man titles.)

>>149969504 (OP)
Got the Death of Superman Compendium for $30 so I've been reading that. 90s DC is a bit of a blindspot for me, so it's been interesting to see what DC was like at that time.

>>149970100
>>149970216
>>149970269
Thanks for the recs, I'll throw them on the list. Especially Spiderman and Iron Man, those are two characters who I really wanted a starting place for.

>>149969735
People talk shit on that run but I really enjoyed the relationship Kate and Clint have.

It also pisses me off that MCU Clint is so much less interesting than actual Hawkeye. Hawkeye and Falcon really got fucked by modern interpretation.

>>149971253
That is true for most characters. The 21st century was a mistake.

>>149971253
Making Clint the straight man of the team instead of the cocky asshole crippled him from the start

>>149969504 (OP)
I read Enigma by Milligan and Fegredo. It was alright.
I enjoyed it more than I've been enjoying Morrison's Doom Patrol and more than Automatic Kafka, with all the surrealistic superheroics, but it ultimately wasn't all that compelling. A tad short. Solid narration and art, though.
>Does anyone have any other suggestions on other Marvel runs?
Foolkiller by Steve Gerber/J.J. Birch and Captain Britain by Alan Moore/Alan Davis. These are my favorite Marvel comics.

>>149971228
>Spiderman
>starting place

Honestly, Spider-Man can be read from the beginning with minimal bumps in the road. That was probably Marvel's most consistently good character for a long time.

>>149971158
>90s DC is a bit of a blindspot for me
Their Golden Age revisionism/revival stuff from that era is cool. This year I read Sandman Mystery Theatre, The Power of SHAZAM, and James Robinson's Starman.

>>149971158
People like to slag on death but the 90s were honestly a great era for Superman

>>149971228
To add on to the Spider-Man list, DeFalco's run (which continues straight on from Stern) is also very good.
JMD's Spectacular Spider-Man is one of the best there is as well

>>149971253
This
>>149971260

>>149971848
It really pisses me off that the power of Shazam isn't collected well. That series cries out for a compendium release.

>>149972102
I just read Exile and plan on cracking into the giant first volume of Green Triangle Era soon, I find it really enjoyable. I like fat billionaire Lex, and I love Metropolis. It really doesn't get enough love in the modern era as an interesting place.

>>149971364
One of my favorite comics I read this year was the Captain America issue where Steve has become disillusioned by the government and gives up being cap, so Clint dresses up like a random weirdo and harasses Steve, threatening to kill him, so that he realizes he cannot give up being a superhero. The entire issue is completely unhinged, it's great.

>>149969504 (OP)
>Does anyone have any other suggestions on other Marvel runs?
'Cap Lives!' From Captain America Vol 4, #17 - 20, one of the best Captain America stories ever written (by Watchmen artist Dave Gibbons).

nothin

>>149969504 (OP)
Currently I'm going through
>Jack Cole's Plastic Man
>JMD's Dr Fate
>the start of Conway's Amazing Spider-Man
and I then finished reading Steve Englehart's run on Dr Strange a couple weeks ago.

a day from finishing Nova omni 1970s
and transformers compendium 1
and like 3-4dayys from finishing wolverine omni 3

>>149969504 (OP)
I tried reading Claremont's 80s X-Men run and kept running into stories that requires you to read different titles. Crossover events should really be contained only in a limited series.

>>149973856
I'm only on 130, I haven't ran into that yet but I know it's coming.

>>149973847
Is Transformers worth it? Been eyeballing that one for a second.

>>149973856
>I tried reading Claremont's 80s X-Men run and kept running into stories that requires you to read different titles.
How far into it were you? New Mutants was the first X-Men spin-off title in 1982, and it didn't really start crossing over with other X-books until X-Factor in 1986.

>>149973923
I love these costumes designs.
Honestly, I love *most* X-Men designs. They aren't always well drawn, but they are generally well designed.

>>149973923
Yeah, the mutant massacre is where it really starts

>>149973920
not really because you're just going to end up reading the rest on the internet

>>149974013
Nah, the Secret Wars tie-ins gives you your first taste of wtf happened issues.

>>149973912
>I'm only on 130

You're getting into the REALLY good stuff now. It remains top tier for years, too.

Just read Lobo mini. The scene where he gets all the people chasing him to crash into each other is funny as shit.

>>149972734
Im really huped they're finally filling the gap between exile and triangle

>>149973856
>>149973923
I got as far as the early New Mutants stiff. It's still shit.

>>149973856
>>149973923
>>149974246
I went from Giant-Size and got as far as the early New Mutants stuff. It's still shit.

Read an issue of Starslayer.

>>149976724
Maybe you just have crap taste.

Top 10

>>149977075
If I had crap taste, I'd enjoy it.

>>149972102
The actual fight and funeral is really weak but after that, four interconnected titles that constantly throw ideas at you. I've been reading it myself.

>>149975726
Oh shit, they are? I didn't realize, what is it and when is it coming out?

I wish they'd rerelease those Man of Steel hardbacks that came out a few years ago as well, I'd like to be able to collect the entire post crisis 90s superman.

>>149974246
Good to know, I've been enjoying it so far but it is also a little repetitive. Also, man, maybe it's just reading it all back to back, but they really come off as kind of incompetent jobbers for much of the early series.

Savage Sword of Conan, Rom, Hickman Fantastic Four, Superman Adventures, Batman and Robin adventures.
I'm also reading a couple of prose novels.
I'm hiding from life right now. It leaves me a lot of time to read.

>>149977753
Yeah, I hated all of that. It doesn't really improve.

>>149969504 (OP)
Jack Staff. I'm not enjoying it as much as I thought I would.

None

>>149969504 (OP)
Fuck reading.

>>149971253
>the relationship Kate and Clint have.
It's so bad.

>>149969504 (OP)
the only comics i read are the ultimate universe and absolute batman. i read every ultimate book except black panther and wolverine. ive tried the other absolute books but theyre all shit except for batman and even batman isnt as cool to me as it was in the first 3 issuess

>Marvel Unlimited
almost shocked it stiill exists it feels like such an afterthought for marvel. any reason you dont just use free sites/apps? the free apps have better functionality imo. havent used unlimited in years but last i did readng on it was archaic

>>149977723
>Oh shit, they are? I didn't realize, what is it and when is it coming out?
next june

>>149969504 (OP)
All four are really good choices anon, I'm glad for your taste

>>149970040
No c'è choice anon. A couple of months ago I did the same.
I loved the concept of super family so, after finishing the FF this week, I started the first Power Pack run.

>>149981936
*Nice choice

>>149970055
easy pal, back then, long before your precious year 2015 we used to love matt fraction.

>>149982034
And you were wrong for it.

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>>149970310
they've been using hawkeye as a joke character since us agent on wca

>>149982138
Nice. The hate started much sooner.
I don't get how /co/ keeps falling for these writers.

>>149982138
Sounds like Kate is unpopular at least.

>>149969504 (OP)
>suggestions
I apologize in advance for any duplicates
>Starlin Captian Marvel
>Starlin Warlock
>Kirby Cap, both in Tales of Suspense and later in Captain America. Madbomb is a great story.
>DeMatties Cap, which iirc, comes right after Kirby's second run.
>Mantlo Spectacular Spider-Man
>OG Werewolf by Night-especially the Doug Moench stuff.
>Moon Knight, again, the Doug Moench stuff- although aside from his first appearance some of the early stuff before he got his own series isn't great. It takes awhile for Moench to figure out what he's doing with him.
>The Defenders up until Steve Gerber leaves. there are also some stories in Marvel features 1-3 that lead up to group getting its own title and are in my opinion the best superhero work that Roy Thomas ever did- which is admittedly a low bar, but they are, nevertheless, very entertaining.
>Micheline ASM until 350. That's mostly McFarland and Larsen on art. I prefer the latter, but Larsen isn't really popular on /co/.
>Kirby Thor
>Jurgens Thor
>OG Devil Dinosaur
>Steranko SHIELD and also Kirby SHIELD, which gets overshadowed by Steranko, but is still fucking really good. SHIELD is just good from the start until Steranko leaves, imo.
>Stern Avengers and ASM
>Lee/Kirby/Heck Avengers 1-30. This one doesn't get a lot of love, but it really did it for me. Heck is an underrated artist, imo.

>>149982138
Bro it's like 30 issues or something to take out a bunch of dudes in sweatpants, who say bro a lot, bro.

>>149983467
Hawkeye's effectiveness scales to his opponent. So he takes as much effort to defeat Abomination as he does a barely trained gangster.

>>149981564
The only free sites I'm aware of are absolutely fucked in half by ads, and of variable quality. Paying a small fee (which is quite a bit less than j tend to spend on comics in general) to have instant access to what seems to be pretty close to the entire classic marvel library is worthwhile to me

However, after fucking around with it for a few days, the app is utter shit, so I might not keep it after the free trail. The only reason I signed up is because they have a 7 day free trial plus 4 months at 4 dollars a month, which is a decent deal, or would be if the app wasn't so ass.

>>149983467
>and later in Captain America. Madbomb is a great story.
Ooof, I actually read this earlier this year and fucking hated it. It's such a massive step down from Engleheart's run.

>>149984204
>fucked in half by ads,
how do you not know about adblockers in 2025?
>instant access to what seems to be pretty close to the entire classic marvel library
so you're a fan of the older stuff? cause if i remember correctly there is a delay of 3 months (or is it 6?) to read comics that came out this week. and yea the app is shit for reading, free manga apps have always been superior in that way imo

>>149984228
To each their own. I didn't like Engleheart's run at all. I really did enjoy his Defenders, though.

>>149984375
>cause if i remember correctly there is a delay of 3 months (or is it 6?) to read comics that came out this week.

Yeah, I absolutely do not care about nearly anything that marvel is putting out now, or in the past 20 years. I want to read old X-Men, daredevil, Spiderman and Cap.

>>149984589
No joke, everything Marvel has put out lately is ass. I know the ongoing books are shit so I don't even bother, but I tried Wolverine: Revenge and that was shit, I just tried out Spider-Man & Wolverine and that's also been shit. The last mini-series I thought were good was Clobberin' Time and Predator vs Wolverine.

>>149974812
Most underappreciated DC run of the 90s.

>>149977222
Wrong.

>>149978788
This poster is a faggot.

>>149982034
No we didn't.

>>149985518
He's the same fag who used to constantly make threads about how he doesn't like Claremont's X-Men and doesn't understand the appeal. He then proceeds to use bad faith, circular arguments and say he must just be smarter than everyone else because he prefers classical literature over comic books.

>>149973923
X-Factor is just kind of boring. I know people get hoped up on the Cyclops thing but for me the book was just eh.

>>149983467
>>Jurgens Thor

Keep in mind that this eventually turns to utter garbage around 1991.

>>149985562
>classical literature

The worst part is that he's probably talking about 20th Century novels.

>>149970055
>all comics discussion, I like x, x is bad/overrated
>repeat until the hit death of the universe

>>149985580
I didn't care for X-Factor either. I hate how it character assassinates Scott and his marriage for nostalgia of the original team. The OG X-Men book was one of the weaker collaborations by Kirby/Lee and bringing that back for boomers was a misstep.

>>149985580
Yeah, X-Factor is the weakest part of the 80s X-books.

>>149972102
>People like to slag on death
https://youtu.be/SgAXCT99m0M
I feel like Death deserves to be slagged on, some contemporary commentary of it

>>149985617
>>149985627
The mutant hunter premise is fucking boring as shit. And even when Apocalypse appears it doesn't really pick up for me.

>>149985580
>>149985617
>>149985627
>>149985650
Notice how X-Factor was the only Claremont era X-title that no one recommended to OP. It isn't BAD, but you really aren't missing much (if anything) if you skip it.

>>149969504 (OP)
>reading
I started a rather convoluted reading plan. It started out with me wanting to read Spider-Man from Amazing Fantasy #15 to Maximum Carnage and X-Men from the beginning to Age of Apocalypse. But, when I get to a crossover, I go read that book from the beginning until I catch up to where the other book is. I read 3 issues a day, each a different book.
Right now, Spider-Man is on hold and I'm reading X-Men, Avengers, and Tales to Astonish (Hulk and Namor). Not all of it is new. A year or two ago I already read every Marvel Masterwork volume for ASM as well as Claremont's X-Men up to the end of Dark Phoenix, all of Miller's Daredevil, and all of Simonson's Thor. But most of it is new to me.
My favorite currently running books are Ultimate Spider-Man, Moon Knight: Fist of Khonshu, Immortal Thor, and Fantastic Four.

>>149985588
I stopped right after the big Thanos story.

>>149969504 (OP)
Decided to start reading Peanuts from the beginning
Also, Green Arrow The Longbow Hunters

>>149985518
>>149985562
>>149985611
Wrong. I remain unrefuted, because I was mostly ignored or dismissed (aside from insults). You're lumping me in with another anon people jumped on in one of my threads, the one who said "verbose" and everyone began beating up on, like they were waiting for that "in". The best case someone made to me was something along the lines of "you had to be there, this was magic as it unraveled".
And as far as I observed, all of the bad faith arguments were made by fans of this run. I don't remember anything about preferring classic literature, but that wasn't not me.
>The worst part is that he's probably talking about 20th Century novels.
I don't get it. What's wrong with liking 20th-century novels?

>>149986817
I was not there for that thread, but you sound like a bitch and I hope you continue to be ignored.

>>149987137
Then I'll continue to be in the right.

>>149980791
holy based

>>149986817
As: >>149987137 said, you sound like a bitch.

>>149988245
That's because when you read, what you hear is your own voice.

>>149969504 (OP)
almost done with a philosophy/history book, then i'll start reading the Morbius omnibus (i read the 90s run years ago). after that, an english translation of Sha

P.S. yes i'm waiting for vampire requiem omnibus in october

>>149988615
nigga that's not how reading works

>>149988676
Off topic, but what Philosophy/history book?

>>149985613
Fraction's Hawkeye is objectively garbage, thoughbeit.

>>149971253
The main issue with Fraction’s interpretation of Clint is that he’s made to be a fuckup loser. For no reason beyond boring comedy bits that aren’t even that funny.

>>149982193
He was a hothead but he wasn’t a joke. Even under Bendis he wasn’t a joke, he started being a joke because of Fraction and the MCU

>>149983467
I personally found that Avengers doesn’t get interesting until you get to the Kooky Quartet

>>149985580
When people praise X-Factor they mean PAD’s stuff

>>149983467
>>149989819
I find early Avengers rather similar to early X-Men.
The initial issues are Lee/Kirby kind of slumming it in comparison to their greatest work, but still turning out something fun and laying all the groundwork for the title. Then Kirby leaves the book, and eventually a little while after Stan also leaves and hands the scripting over to Roy Thomas who presides over a long period of mediocrity.

Thomas's Avengers is certainly better than Thomas's X-Men with far stronger highs, but I still think it's fairly mediocre overall. Cap's Kooky Quartet is fun at first, the run of first appearances for Ultron, Vision, Yellowjacket is probably the high water mark, and then the Kree-Skrull War is good too. Everything else in between those high points seems to glaze over in my memory. In both cases, Roy only ever seems to put out good stories when he has a really great artist there (i.e., either John Buscema or Neal Adams, arguably BWS too once he starts coming into his own), which is pretty telling.

>>149989842
Basically, yeah.

>>149969504 (OP)
>What's everybody reading this week?
A Black Canary & Zatanna GN from 2015 written by Dini. The art wasn't as cheesecake as I was expecting but the story was a lot of fun.

>>149969681
That was a dark time for the Avengers, but Byrne was involved with a lot of it, at a time when his name brought in a huge amount of new readers to anything he worked on, so it ended up being very influential to later runs. Some of the things ruined back then never got fixed.

>>149989842
It had a lot of energy to it when Simonson was drawing it, and some good early stories with Apocalypse and Hodge, but you really have to be a fan of the O5 team to enjoy it, and not a lot of people seem to care for any of them but Cyclops these days.

>>149989974
I feel like you're doing a disservice to Roy's Avengers, once he finds his feet on the book and especially once Buscema is on board as artist, it's a consistently solid book for the most part.

>>149989387
Of Men And Morbs

>>149969504 (OP)
Reading up on some Marvel Sorcery right now.

Just touching in the classic recs for Dr Voodoo and Dr Strange

Finished Avenger of the SuperNatural

Next is The Oath

Then Triumph and Torment

Followed SleepWalker and Hellblazer