Thread 149991760

>used to be a beloved classic
>now seen as a polarizing mess Superman fans hate
What happened?

John Byrne's politics.

>>149991776
Nobody turned on Year One just because Miller went all out on Muslims.

>>149991760 (OP)
it always had a somewhat mixed reception
but people have soured on it as time went by since it represents the start of superman losing a lot of his more fantastical elements
and the depiction of krypton as a dystopia is still skubtastic to this day

john byrnes superman is, while considered competent, is still seen as not good enough to convince people who dont already like superman

>>149991760 (OP)
>>used to be a beloved classic
Was it? I remember reading the comics as a kid and thinking how fucking boring it was.

>>149991760 (OP)
At the time, it was enough to have a fantastic artist on a book, but eventually Byrne's shitty writing and unpleasant fetishes drug the whole thing down. (again)
Doing normal comics just doesn't stir Byrne's pee-pee.

Only guy I know who loves it to bits is allowableman on Twitter who always seethes if you criticize MoS.

>>149991760 (OP)
It was loved by people who grew up with it. In retrospect it's a soulless reboot made to create new legally distinct versions of Superman characters in case Siegel found a loophole to get the rights back like he did with Clark as Superboy. That's why we got shit like Braniac being a circus mentalist or Terra-man being an environmental terrorist.

>>149991760 (OP)
In light of later revamps and stories it isn't very good.

>>149991776
Eventually, Byrne comics will involve slapping women around. Not them getting hit in heroic combat, or some other violence that makes sense in the context, but just random violence like Doc Samson knocking a female reporter unconscious to steal her mini-copter, when when he could just TAKE the copter.
Then he moves on to rapey shit, which starts making editorial uncomfortable.
THEN it starts moving on to little girls, and he's out of a job.

With his own independent title, it eventually moved on to violence and rape against little girls.

>>149991760 (OP)
only reddit hates it

>>149991864
you're an idiot

>>149991873
Eventually you move onto mind-controlled Superman having porn sex with mind-controlled Barda, mind-switched guy in Superman's body preparing to violently rape Wonder Girl, it just never ends with Byrne.
And on top of it all, he's a BORING writer, his writer's voice is a pretentious drone of SUPERIOR INTELLECT and florid prose.

>>149991760 (OP)
It got a lot of hype/push at the time, but I think it was always seen as fundamentally fairly mediocre.
Byrne's art is great (at least, f you're into his style) and that's what carries him here — otherwise the stories he comes up with are hardly anything special. On top of that, there's also his bevy of odd character changes and new strict lore rules (soulless asexual Krypton, Superman "gestating" on Earth, no Superboy and the Legion), most of which are radically different simply for the sake of it. The best change is Lex, and even then that was just a contemporary expansion of the billionaire criminal mastermind take on Lex from Gene Hackman. The other writers on post-Crisis Superman at the time and immediately after were all writing more memorable comics than Byrne, and most of his big character changes ended up reversed eventually.
I wouldn't think any fans outright hate it — I don't, personally — but it's ultimately kind of limited in ambition and impact, particularly in retrospect. Even Byrne himself thought his reboot wasn't really going anywhere and that DC didn't want to push the boat too far, which is why he left.

>>149991948
I like removing clark already being a super hero as a teen. I always thought that was stupid i like the modern version of him just becoming superman when hes already an adult. The whole gestating on earth thing and rewriting krypton the way byrne did was retarded tho

>>149991783
But plenty of people do turn on DKR these days

>>149991948
Like I said, he's a boring unimaginative writer at the end of the day, who hates being constrained from exploring his dark fetishes by the comic code.
Next Men, where he had far greater freedom got boring quickly when it wasn't just being creepy.

>>149991983
DKR was never the main Batman title, it's just this madlad exploration of Future Batman, and all future-stories are just Elseworlds that never matter.
Like Absolute Batman's nuttery, it can be taken for what it is.
Byrne's Superman was DC's primary Superman.

>>149991985
>>149991876

>>149991760 (OP)
Because JOHN BYRNE is as ABSOLUTE CHAD and that’s NOT ALLOWED BY THE CRT/DEI REPLACEMENT MAFIA.

>>149992140
His X-Men fanfic is getting a nice fancy official Marvel Arts release next year thoughever

>>149991760 (OP)
>What happened?
Superman was hijacked by leftists who hate John Byrne's right wing politics for making Superman such a proudly pro-American character.

>>149991783
Miller also voted for and openly supported Hillary Clinton in 2016, which at least partially cancelled out his post-9/11 derangement in the eyes of the modern left.
John Byrne was right wing, and has always voted right wing.

>>149992203
>right wing politics
He's just this degenerate. That's all.
His politics were never noteworthy. If they had kept the writer's pen out of his hand he'd be one of the industry's Legends.

>>149992154
>thoughever
Stop talking like a retard

>>149991873
>>149991925
This Byrne fellow sounds kind of based.

>>149992211
>He's just this degenerate. That's all.
If you're referring to the comments he made on that forum, a controversial opinion does not a predator make.
He's not Gerard Jones or Nobihiro Watsuki.

>>149992203
Nationalism is a mental disease

>>149992319
A one world government is never going to happen fink.

>>149992319
>Nationalism
Not a real word. The term is "patriotism," and it's a positive thing.

>>149991760 (OP)
His She-Hulk run was better because it was better suited to his sensibilities, utilizing cynicism, parody, hot babes, and Z-lister obscure villains. These are not elements that lend itself well to Superman, but did lend itself well to She-Hulk and Fantastic Four.

>>149992373
Jingoistic stupidity is not positive its a mental illness stubbornly clung to hillbilly idiots with nothing to be proud of other then some distorted view of their home country

>>149992414
Enjoy your country getting overrun with pajeets and Muslims, Leaf.

>>149991925
>>149991873
I'd much prefer this to Shooter's aggressive-milquetoast and all its modern editorial derivatives

>>149992468
>"I much prefer this" says local degenerate
Then you should have supported Nextmen.

>>149991760 (OP)
Super heroes became mainstream because of the Marvel movies, so the Superman fandom was invaded by Twitter retards.

>>149992431
If America didn't want people of every nationality and race on it's shores, it shouldn't have left up the gigantic statue inviting them, or put a couple caveats in the script.

Alan Moore wrote Supreme cause of how much he hated Byrne’s Superman. His take on the character has been hated for a while

>>149991760 (OP)
Because three out the baby with the bathwater.
A lot of his new stuff was cool though.
Silver Banshee. Bloodsport. Lex Luthor being more evil corporate executive than mad scientist (copies Kingpin and Norman Osborn though)

>>149992749
Almost no one alive is critical of Byrne's ability to DRAW comics. This thread is not a critique of his ART.

>>149991760 (OP)
>used to be a beloved classic
It did not, no, but it's cute how younger memers who weren't alive then, or even the subsequent decade, claim as much. John Byrne's Superman aesthetically, as pin ups and iconic images sure. His run itself, nope.

>>149991776
lol I should have read this before commenting above because it's just too perfect, of course this is your angle

>>149991760 (OP)
Combination of hatred of Byrne's online persona, out of context Superman panels from the early social media, MoS doesn't allow for proper fan favorite characters like Supergirl and Krypto

>>149991760 (OP)
Superman fans blame it for making other people think Superman is boring.

>>149992877
Shouldn't they blame Superfriends or Superman Returns instead? Superman's really boring in those.

>>149991873
>Eventually, Byrne comics will involve slapping women around.
I loathe Byrne but that's hot.

>>149992877
Alleged superman fans who are almost exclusively leftist. Who hate the fact he stood for 'the american way' in Byrnes comics, because they want an emasculated neutered wholesome chungus superman, and not a strong masculine truth justice and american way Superman.

>>149991760 (OP)
It really was a beloved classic. I know there's too many to really list, but what were some of your favorite most beloved parts OP?

>>149991760 (OP)
Says who?

>>149992384
Steve Gerber's parts of "his" run > shit he has written by himself

>>149991760 (OP)
It sucks and is a soulless reboot. However, part of the reason the hate got off the ground was because social media lefties became disgruntled with the politics of it, which is the least of its problems.

>>149991760 (OP)
It gutted the lore, to the point legion of superheroes never recovered

>>149991948
>here — otherwise
>it — I don't, personally — but

>>149993105
This. Everyone crying about leftists crying is wrong.

>>149993105
Oh well.
>>149993140
Nigga, nobody cares about the legion. Get the fuck outta here with that nerd shit.

>>149993140
I'm pretty sure it's a samefag trying to derail the thread with fucktarded politishit.

>>149991792
>but people have soured on it as time went by since it represents the start of superman losing a lot of his more fantastical elements
Thats a good thought.
silver age stories with Lois having an affair with a kryptonian unicorn or superman imventing a new superpower every other issue quickly becomes boring

>>149993156
You are on /co/ you stupid mongrel

>>149993126
Yeah, I like using em-dashes. So what? I'm not letting any no-good niggerfaggot robot take my em-dashes from me.
Besides, it's exactly the same as just doing '--' and if I'd typed that then you wouldn't have batted an eye.
>>149993164
I think it's just because Americans have been so mindbroken that they're now incapable of discussing anything without seeing it through the lens of hated politics.

>>149993039
Yeah, it seemed really unnecessary for Superman to get beat up ever 10 minutes in the new movie.

>>149993183
>new superpower every other issue quickly becomes boring
It happened in a surprising low amount of times, and mainly thanks for red kryptonite.

>>149993105
All that Superboy and the Legion stuff is all really, really stupid though.

>>149993209
It isn't even "Americans," it's a loud minority of neonazis on this site who trumpet the same two or three talking points over and over again.

>>149993319
It was the best selling comic from dc

>>149993335
No, it's normal people who are sick of woke bullshit infecting every aspect of life. People don't want to think about leftist politics while reading their superhero comics.

>>149993454
What were some of the most based non-wokest, triggering things that made Byrne's Superman so goated, in your opinion?

Byrne was so non-woke when he added a lesbian cop and outright said in an interview Trump was an influence no Lex.
https://popularcultureandtheology.com/2024/11/04/election-special-lex-luthor-donald-trump-and-the-power-of-pride/

>>149993335
>>149993454
>>149993506
>>149993545
Shut up, Americans.

>>149993335
>>149993209
>>149993140
I only made one post about it. Maybe the other posts are from a bad actor, idk. But I have had leftists come up and bitch to me about the politics of Man of Steel. I am just relaying what I was told. I hate Man of Steel for other more substantive reasons, but there is no denying these people exist. Cry nazi all you want.

>>149993339
>It was the best selling comic from dc
Which does not translate to global box office success.

>>149993549
Cope sneederjeet

>>149991873
Supes isn't a pedo in Generations 3, This is after Lana comes back from the future and learns that she's a footnote and Lois is Superman's True Love. She ASKS Clark to kiss her, as a sort of break-up/goodbye moment.

The real questionable moment is Batman shacking up with his adopted great-granddaughter after pumping and dumping Wondie.

>>149993649
Wrong

>>149991873
WTF I love John Byrne now?
>With his own independent title, it eventually moved on to violence and rape against little girls.
Where is this?

>>149992203
No one who cares about his post-9/11 insanity would be satisfied by him supporting a war mongering ghoul like Hillary Clinton
>Clinton support
>"the modern left"
Kill yourself by the way, that especially is more retarded now

>>149991873
>THEN it starts moving on to little girls, and he's out of a job.
>With his own independent title, it eventually moved on to violence and rape against little girls.
Loli is one thing everyone across the political(and neurological) spectrum should agree on

Goddamnit, I really hope all Americans die.
Retarded pieces of garbage making this board making all the discussions as low-IQ and worthless as they are.

>>149993809
Seethe harder, Ritesh.

>>149993824
>everybody I dislike is... le pajeet
Get cancer, amerilard. The world would not miss you, honestly.

>>149992749
Mad scientist Lex is a copy of Ultra-Humanite though.

>>149991760 (OP)
Byrne's Lois>>>>>Silver-Age Lois by a country mile.

>>149993209
It'd be okay if they kept it to themselves didn't put their idiotic understanding of world politics on display for all to see and feel the second-hand embarrassement. Especially in threads that would've been otherwise enjoyable if they weren't flooded by a bunch of retards ready to dump a pile of their shit-covered opinions all over you.

>>149993649
>Which does not translate to global box office success
Because they were gutted, Guardians of the Galaxy proved DC wrong

>>149993335
They hated anon for speaking the truth

>>149994110
Stfu trannyfag

>>149991760 (OP)
I like it

>>149994069
>Guardians of the Galaxy proved DC wrong
The Legion ain't anything like the Guardians. What are you talking about?

>>149991760 (OP)
Twitter is all asshurt about it because it shits on the stupid uninteresting "Superman is an immigrant" theme.
>Superman realizes that all his life is spent on Earth and he's never really known Krypton
>decides to consider himself an American Earthling
>"NOOOOOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU MUH MIXED MULTICULTURAL BACKGROUND THERE'S NO WAY ANY ADOPTED PERSON COULD DO THAT DESPITE BYRNE HIMSELF BEING ADOPTED AAAIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEE!!"

>>149994408
Getting rid of the immigrant thing is the main reason they hate it, yes.

>>149994408
You are the only one who brought the immigration thing.
And Byrne superman would still be an illegal immigrant according to right wingers, since they want to end the birthright of the land.

>>149993549
Just asking for some examples of the iconic moments from this series that were widely beloved and also eschewed political correctness? The thesis of this very thread.

>>149992877
TB H, the Superman Animated series and the character's depiction in Superman Returns and Man of Steel are far more responsible for making Superman seem like a boring character to general audiences. I love that cartoon, but Supes himself is boring as shit in it.

>>149991760 (OP)
Because a lot of it has aged poorly and/or people don’t care for the things Byrne did.

People don’t like
>Fat, dumb Lex who has everyone else do everything for him
>Superboy/Supergirl can’t exist because of the mandates, also impactfs Legion
>Dumb character revamps like Brainiac
>Don’t like Krypton changes
Etc.

>>149991760 (OP)
It took not even two years before fan backlash forced them to re-add some of the stuff Byrne kept trying to get rid of, but rather than tell Byrne to get his head out of his ass they appeased him by doing complicated multiverse bullshit instead. That's how we ended up with shit like Matrix Supergirl, instead of just bringing back the Supergirl that fans actually wanted.

>>149992717
That was by a jew

>>149994833
>>Fat, dumb Lex who has everyone else do everything for him
And yet we almost never see Pre-crisis Lex who's just a career mad scientist ever again.
Lexcorp was the best addition to Luthor, even more than the battlesuit. It gives him a place to hang his hat and have some concrete to show for his sense of narcissism and self-importance.

>>149991760 (OP)
>beloved classic
Byrne was only a beloved classic for the now aging (and in many cases either dying out or no longer interested in /co material) boomers, who certainly have been driven away from this shit hole, if they were ever here to begin with.

>>149995483
NTA but the fact that other, better creators on animation, comics and elsewhere, have done shit with Luthor to make him more interesting than just another Sivana or a criminal who dabbles in super science, doesn't mean they - or they people who read/watch/etc. the stuff they create give two fucks about Byrne or his run.

More people are going to take their idea of whom Lex is today and point to either Smallville, Lois & Clark or even the DCAU versions because more people watch TV and even more people watch cartoons than ever bought anything drawn or written by Byrne.

Even the Hackman Lex/Spacey Lex, EisenLex and Hoult Lex versions will end up having more impact, good or bad, than Byrne.

Own it. No one cares about this hack except for a few sad few like you.

>>149995447
>history does not count when it indicts my own failures!!

>>149991760 (OP)
D4hz4n

>>149993454
>t. Butthurt neonazi who proceeds to engage in the same canned npc dialog yet again.

The "not muh" was there from the start. His cold take on Krypton, weird take on Supergirl, and corny take on Brainiac were off-putting and eventually retconned/replaced. People were seething about his own Man of Murder moment decades before Man of Steel did it.
>>149992749
Businessman Luthor was a Wolfman idea and it was a good one. That's one of the changes that lasted even with retcons and reboots. It was easy enough to just make him more of a mad scientist in addition to that.
>>149992877
Cope, name a "non-boring" Superman that preceded it. There really aren't any great Superman runs, he's just not that kind of character.
>>149994791
Disagree, he's a pretty cool guy, not a pushover. Just not the confident jock Byrne made him which went too far.
>>149994691
Not so, all foundlings found in America are considered American citizens. No one is advocating to change that.

>>149991776
How come right-wing viewers are just expected to put up with pozzed comics even when they don’t enjoy them anymore, but left-wing viewers can’t do the same to the opposite end of the spectrum?

>>149995616
Isn’t businessman Lex a Marv Wolfman idea anyway?

>>149994691
>>149995943
These days right wingers want to abolish citizenship for anyone who criticizes israel

>>149995616
>>149995943
I see some tweeter coping and seething about Byrne's Superman is coping and seething here too

>>149996015
You're saying this in a board where right wing readers bitch and complain and shout about the end of world because a comic doesn't cater to them, while you're complaining about left wing readers doing the same somewhere else

>>149996071
The fact that you think Israel is a “left-right” problem and not an “up-down” problem is the reason why Israel will always control you.

>>149996085
I’m just here for the Death Battle threads, but I DO find it obnoxious that leftoids have a trillion different hugbox communities that pander to them (even after the USAID cuts killed a bunch of them), but they STILL wanna infest the ONE website that thinks differently from them. Go bitch with your friends on Reddit instead of ruining discussions for actual comic book readers.

>>149993649
back to the cinema, fagboy

>>149991760 (OP)
Reminder that James Gunn validated it with the Jor-El twist

>>149996178
>Reminder that James Gunn validated it with the Jor-El twist
It has roots in Byrne take.

>>149991760 (OP)
a british writer who does drugs didnt like it and everyone knows they're always right

>>149991760 (OP)
/co/ntrarians.

>>149996026
It definitely had roots in earlier takes, and if DC editorial was opposed to it, it never would've happened (like Byrne wanting Lara to die while giving birth to Kal-El in the pod that takes them to Earth, editorial told him to drop that quickly, hence the incubation pod idea).

>>149991876
You probably also think that Avengers #200 is "based".

>>149993800
Lolis are based fuck you

This thread is a shitshow and I hope all of you die painfully.

>>149996975
That comic singlehandedly ruined Carol Danvers and the backlash to it eventually led to her being turned into feminist Carl Manvers in modern marvel comics.

>>149996155
>I’m just here for the Death Battle threads
Oh wow, a politishitter retard and a DBspic subhuman.

>>149997117
That's a you problem

>>149997225
No, the problem is garbage like you shitting up the board. I pray somebody you love dies of cancer soon. I'll have a good laugh at it.

>>149997225
Said the veterinarian to the wool farmer

>>149994408
That is a weird reason to be upset. I've known lots of people who came to America when they were young and consider themselves American.

>>149997291
Carlos!!!

>>149997300
Because a lot of people born and raised in America like to use distant relations as rationale for their own sense of cultural dysphoria.

If the better example doesn't care, it throws their whole premise into question.

>>149997559
>>149997300
>>149994408
Emphasizing the Kryptonian aspect of Superman has always been absolute cancer. In most versions, he's literally closer to Jor-El (who's dead) than he is to Pa Kent (who is alive). Superman should be about truth, justice, and the American way.

>>149993183
>silver age stories with Lois having an affair with a kryptonian unicorn or superman imventing a new superpower every other issue quickly becomes boring
And how many Silver Age stories have you actually read?

>>149991873
>With his own independent title
Wtf was this called?

>>149996155
>The fact that you think Israel is a “left-right” problem
Israel is a far right apartheid colonialist ethnostate that's also heading straight into theocracy, that's pretty right wing. And it's why anti zionism has been a staple on the left for decades
>and not an “up-down” problem
"It's up-down" is a leftist perspective, welcome to the club comrade
>I’m just here for the Death Battle threads
Holy shit nevermind, kill yourself
>but I DO find it obnoxious that leftoids have a trillion different hugbox communities that pander to them
I've been here for longer than you have been alive, you literally just admitted you only come here for one shitty thread that's barely fucking /co/ related half the time. You're the type of faggot that shouts /co/mblr when this place isn't a hivemind
>(even after the USAID cuts killed a bunch of them)
USAID funded the taliban in order to fight the Soviets and even before that, propped them up to fight the soviet aligned Afghan government. Also almost everything on the right eventually stems back to Peter Thiel, the Koch brothers, Wilkes brothers, Heritage Foundation, and numerous right wing think tanks. Almost every right wing personality or group are astroturfed
>but they STILL wanna infest the ONE website that thinks differently from them
Again, you're a tourist faggot who's angry this place isn't a right wing hugbox. moot fucking hated /pol/ and he was right to

>>149996178
Even in the Byrne comics Jor-El was portrayed more as a well intentioned but flawed man who wanted his son to lead earth people to be better than Krypton was. Not someone who wanted his son to impregnate earth women.

>>149994408
And as if to drive the point home. Superman isn't even born on krypton, Jor-El and Lara put their dna into a womb, and Superman is conceived on the spaceship and 'born' on american soil.
Just so Byrne can make it very obvious how he feels about Superman being an American citizen.

>>149998237
>Israel is a far right apartheid colonialist ethnostate that's also heading straight into theocracy, that's pretty right wing. And it's why anti zionism has been a staple on the left for decades
So according to you, Nazis are actually left-wing because they’re against Israel? That’s not what the rest of your kind says.
>"It's up-down" is a leftist perspective, welcome to the club comrade
The majority of righties being middle-class blue collar workers while the majority of lefties being upper-classers like Larry Fink who would rather spend their billions pushing propaganda than giving to the poor says otherwise. Reminder that nothing was done to regulate workplace AI automation until left-wing jobs like art and writing started getting replaced.
>Again, you're a tourist faggot who's angry this place isn't a right wing hugbox. moot fucking hated /pol/ and he was right to
You’re in a hobby made 99% by leftist writers designed to push leftist values over logically well-written stories, and the second those 1% of writers is outed as conservative, you lose your shit and try to cancel them. If anyone wants a hugbox, it’s YOU. *I* understand that hugboxes can’t be avoided, but I at least want each side to have their own hugbox. YOU just want every hugbox to be exactly the same. If you “didn’t want a leftist hugbox”, you wouldn’t have started the very first post in this thread seething about wrongthink.

>>149995792
He's based.

>>149993055
Zoomers
Zoomers really do not like Byrne Superman

>>149999005
Doubt they've even read it, just going on hearsay.

>>149999005
But, again, it's funny, because all the Zoomers are hopping on the Gunn bandwagon, even though Gunn has the same theme that Superman's identity comes from his adoptive parents, not his birth parents.

>>149997258
Ironic, because it's going to be you

>>149999005
This guy is some ESL fuck from some taco bender country who has probably never actually spent more than $100 USD on real comics.

>>149999086
Nah, there are plenty of them who hate Gunn's version for that.

>>149999139
Dazan?
He's British (and Muslim)

>>149999198
>British
>(and Muslim)
>

>>149997192
She was just the woman Rogue got her powers from

>>149999086
>>149999197
The current copium is that Braniac did something

>>149998391
I kept waiting for the "Lex made this blatantly fake shit up" reveal to drop because that was all so insanely on the nose. But no, until we get damage control in the future, the aggressively on the nose "Superman has come to enslave humanity and steal our women for his secret harem, only me, Lex Luthor, can protect you from the xenos scourge" shit is real.
Even if the Supergirl movie shows that Kara ISN'T going clubbing to scout out men for her own secret harem, some part of me will feel like that's damage control.

>>149993682
If only Generations was the only comic with pedo vibes, Byrne wrote in his entire career and pedo vibes never popped up anywhere else.

Remember when Robotman and Elasti-Girl had their minds travel back in time into their younger bodies so that Robotman could kiss Elasti-Girl... while she was still an underage girl?

>>149998935
>So according to you, Nazis are actually left-wing because they’re against Israel?
Immediately the most retarded argument ever, purposefully misreading something while pretend you're a genius.
Do you think Iran is left wing? It's a theocratic state, but it's against Israel. Holy fucking shit did you really think this through? Smug anime pics won't save you from this fucking retardation. Seriously reflect on yourself.
>The majority of righties being middle-class blue collar workers
The majority of people are working class. Even then republicans lean more upperclass because it is the ideology of business owners and "fuck you got mine".
>while the majority of lefties being upper-classers
I just got back from work picking up boxes and putting them down
>like Larry Fink who would rather spend their billions pushing propaganda than giving to the poor says otherwise.
Here, let's read this
Laurence Douglas Fink is an American billionaire businessman. He is a co-founder, chairman and CEO of BlackRock, an American multinational investment management corporation. BlackRock is the largest money-management firm in the world with more than US$10 trillion in assets under management.
If you think any of that is fucking leftist, then get on your fucking knees and start sucking off capitalism's cock because this is what capitalism got you. Trump won(cope and sneed, tranny!), and housing is still fucking horrendous, corporations will have no fucking push back, and our food will get even worse and unregulated because RFK Jr cares more about dumb hippie bullshit rather than tard wrangling corporations who would willingly sell you bugs, feces, and trash. You VILL eat the bugs, because this is what capitalism will lead to.
>Reminder that nothing was done to regulate workplace AI automation until left-wing jobs like art and writing started getting replaced.
There is no "left wing" or "right wing" jobs(unless you count bring Epstein children as a right wing job).

>>149998935
You're also agreeing with me. You want regulations on AI. Welcome to fucking the fucking club, Death Battle tourist. Trump is not gonna give you that. The people who align with Peter Thiel aka Palantir and tech CEO's will not give you this.
>You’re in a hobby made 99% by leftist writers designed to push leftist values over logically well-written stories, and the second those 1% of writers is outed as conservative
Sounds like you're being gatekept, something conservatives in this fandoms always fucking celebrate and demand more of. Sorry when it happens to you.
The rest of this is retarded culture war bullshit I don't care about, and "YOU canceled me on twitter!" "YOOOOOU got me banned for saying nigger!!!!!". Take your meds. Or go back to twitter since it's a free speech right wing haven now owned by Musk(who was seen next to Epstein's bottom bitch). Enjoy your own hugbox weeb

>>149999139
No one should spend $100 trump meme coins on real comics. Readcomicsonline and the win o threads are freel

Is this thread on autosage?

>>149999615
No, but it should be.

>>149993682
People also forget that Generations 3 renders itself non-canon to the Generations timeline by the end

>>149996085
You constantly say that comics were always left wing but le heckin chuds still enjoyed them. That is like the main talking point of you fucking faggots. Can you actually respond to the post now instead of deflecting? Why is it impossible for you tranny faggots to do this thing that you say rightoids do?

>>149991760 (OP)
It was always divisive. Older fans of Superman never were totally on board. It erased characters like Supergirl and made the Legion unusable.

>>149992140
lmao, Byrne is the one that give Gail Simone her big chance in comics. Without him, she would have been keep screeching on comic forums.

>>149999531
>Do you think Iran is left wing?
Obviously. Why else would liberals coddle Muslims and spend billions pampering their immigrants if they WEREN’T left-wing? They’re obviously not gonna go against their own interests.
>The majority of people are working class.
They why didn’t any of them nominate Bernie Sanders, the most pro-working class politician in America? If you think leftists are more working-class, there’s no reason he shouldn’t have been running for office.
> Laurence Douglas Fink is an American billionaire businessman. He is a co-founder, chairman and CEO of BlackRock, an American multinational investment management corporation. BlackRock is the largest money-management firm in the world with more than US$10 trillion in assets under management.
And to think all of it was made pushing socialist propaganda. What a world…
>If you think any of that is fucking leftist, then get on your fucking knees and start sucking off capitalism's cock because this is what capitalism got you.
Not hard when communism’s cock is full of herpes.
> Trump won(cope and sneed, tranny!), and housing is still fucking horrendous, corporations will have no fucking push back, and our food will get even worse and unregulated because RFK Jr cares more about dumb hippie bullshit rather than tard wrangling corporations who would willingly sell you bugs, feces, and trash. You VILL eat the bugs, because this is what capitalism will lead to.
As long as the trannies that made Western videogame and comicbook women look like fat pugs off themselves, I don’t regret my vote. That’s literally the only reason I voted, whatever happens afterwards is secondary. Don’t like it? Think I’m “evil”? Maybe next time, leave my escapist entertainment alone, and I won’t vote Cheetolph Hitler into office. Capiche?

>>149999572
>You’re actually agreeing with me. You want regulations on AI.
I’m actually okay with AI. Anyone who supports factory automation but not AI-genned art is a hypocrite.
> Sounds like you're being gatekept, something conservatives in this fandoms always fucking celebrate and demand more of. Sorry when it happens to you.
Byrnes and Miller have been around since the 80s tho? If anything, its the leftists that are trying to make comics a “left-wing only” space recently, because they hate the free market of ideas because they always lose in it.
>Or go back to twitter since it's a free speech right wing haven now owned by Musk(who was seen next to Epstein's bottom bitch).
Considering HE was the one who revealed Trump was in the Epstein files, I don’t know what point you’re trying to make here. Why are you still mad at him. Did you NOT want him to reveal that? Are you trying to protect Trump right now? Seems like you ran out of arguments and are now just shooting blanks

>>149999849
>Obviously.
Retard
>Why else would liberals coddle Muslims and spend billions pampering their immigrants if they WEREN’T left-wing? They’re obviously not gonna go against their own interests.
The west should stop bombing these countries then, stealing oil, and propping up fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia which is an ally to the US and Israel, and also influences religious fundamentalism. Iran's modern existence was a reaction to western intervention in the country.
>They why didn’t any of them nominate Bernie Sanders, the most pro-working class politician in America?
Bernie Sanders literally won the primaries in 2020 but the DNC, a neoliberal right wing institution that upholds capitalism, were told by the courts that they don't have to actually allow him to be the candidate. The system works in your favor, be happy. I know you're retarded ass thinks the dems are communist though
>If you think leftists are more working-class, there’s no reason he shouldn’t have been running for office.
You're someone who thinks working class is an aesthetic anyway, I know it. You think it's just trucks and jeans
>And to think all of it was made pushing socialist propaganda. What a world…
Another showcase of you retardation. Again I know you think Soros(Thiel and Musk are more rich than him on their own, and have more influence) is a commie despite him spending the Cold War putting nationalist anti-soviet think tanks in eastern europe
>Not hard when communism’s cock is full of herpes.
Not an argument. Another group that has colonized your brain is the John Birch Society by the way. Federalist Society too.
>As long as the trannies that made Western videogame and comicbook women look like fat pugs off themselves, I don’t regret my vote. That’s literally the only reason I voted, whatever happens afterwards is secondary.
I don't need to say anything else. You represent all culture warriors. Thanks for being an example.

>>149999971
>Considering HE was the one who revealed Trump was in the Epstein file
Everyone knew about
Trump was seen with Epstein for over a decade, we had audio of Epstein talking about Trump, we already knew that Trump first had sex with Melania on the Lolita Express(I wonder where they got a young eastern european model). Everyone already knew it, Musk's tweet only forced rightoid eyes to open and only because he's a spoiled brat who didn't get what he want with Trump's BBW bill
I hope this was a learning experience for you. I think you already expressed some shame by admitting you only care about culture war shit and have no real knowledge or beliefs. Let that shame grow.

>>150000074
> The west should stop bombing these countries then, stealing oil, and propping up fundamentalist regimes like Saudi Arabia which is an ally to the US and Israel, and also influences religious fundamentalism. Iran's modern existence was a reaction to western intervention in the country.
And this justifies illegals running over taxpayers in semi-trucks because they can’t even read enough English to read the roadsigns, how?
>Democrats are right-wing
Oh thank God, you’re just crazy. I don’t have to read any more of your word salad below this; it’s all just schizo ramblings. Time to head back to the HALLOWED HALLS and post about Simon the NIGGER gaping Hulk’s prostate while Fatzilla Ultima SKREEEEEEOOOOONKS in the cuck chair. Adios, muchachos!

>>149998435
DC thinks that way, that's why stronger characters or almost as strong jobs hard so Superman has the spotlight.
But to be fair, he's not even the biggest culprit of that, Batman takes first place.
Superman is the most powerful no matter what, Batman is the smartest no matter what. joker too

>>149999641
Why? Because it's a proper thread?

>>149991760 (OP)
>used to be a beloved classic
Boomer here
Old fans always hated it. If anything people softened over time to the comic.

>>149999005
/co/ hates the shit out of this guy because he actually read the comics and formed an opinion instead of mindlessly stepping in line with one agenda or another. He's what they imagine themselves to be but lack the strength to become.

>>149993105
I know this is true but I was born in ‘87 so I’ve only ever known post-Crisis Superman, how come the Legion needed Superboy and couldn’t just say they were inspired by Superman? I’ve never read any Legion but love Superman so I’ve always wondered this

>>149992154
>thoughever
Pretending to be stupid isn't funny

>>150000400
You have it backwards. What makes the Legion work, and what makes Superboy work in reverse, is that they were Clark's first friends. A kid growing up in rural Kansas utterly terrified of anyone finding out how different he was, feeling absolutely alone in the world, gets an allegorical secret club of other weird-kids just like him. And not only are they LIKE him, they LOOK UP to him, because one day he's gonna be the guy who changes everything. They inspire Clark to become the man who will one day inspire them.

There's a foundational tie there that loses something like a mission statement when you try to split Superboy/Superman and the LoSH up. When you lose that tie to Superman, you forget what the Legion's supposed to be, and you get increasingly flawed and drifting imitations like Threeboot that miss the point.

>>149992749
>Silver Banshee. Bloodsport.
Never had any good stories outside of their original appearances

>>149992220
>>150000435
>newfags seething

>>150000325
Don't flatter yourself, Dazan

>>150000325
...../co/ has rarely ever acknowledged Dazan

>Is the reason modern audiences think Superman is a lame, boring stick in the mud
>"beloved classic"

>>150000454
It is basically proto Harry Potter

>>150000550
Every time Byrneman has come up in the last two years, he's inevitably brought up with it.

>>150000564
I would say it's more like that old Morrison quote that describes how Superman is a larger than life retelling of human experiences. It's the story of how a lonely weird kid finds kindred spirits and makes his first friends, but how do you find kindred spirits for a superpowered kid? You bring them from somewhere fantastical, like the far-flung future.

>>150000229
It was more like a split
The older the fan the more likely they were to hate it but there were maybe some exceptions
Waid didn't like it, Erik Larsen was critical of a lot of Byrne's changes but felt a reboot was necessary. They're both Boomers
Mark Millar and Rob Liefeld are Gen X but Millar didn't like the reboot while I think Liefeld did at the time; both were fans of Superman when they were younger in the 70s
Wizard was made up of Boomers and Gen Xers and they favored Byrne/Wolfman/Triangle era Superman way more than Pre-COIE stuff.

>>150000552
>>150000569
You tweeters really are washed now

>>149998391
>Not someone who wanted his son to impregnate earth women.
That is the eventual endgame of Jor-el's proposal. That is the reason why the end of Red Son exists or the whole JLA Created Equal story.

>>149992877
I like Byrne comics but he did make Superman boring compared to his pre-crisis version but that might have been more editorial's fault

>>150001432
Considering most of the other DC writers walked back 70% of his changes as soon as they possibly could, it seems far more like editorial simply let him do as he pleased, but the result was received negatively enough they didn't care that everyone else wanted to undo/change aspects of it.

>>149999086
Gunn has a hard on for "found families" like he's some kind of tranny.
>Star Lord's real dad is a jerk
>peace makers real dad is a jerk
>superman's real dad is a jerk
yeah I GET IT , james you hate your dad. Get over it.

>>150001432
"Non-boring" Superman sales
https://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2023/01/comics-sales-1983-1984.html
>Superman 111,073
>Action Comics 86,422
https://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2023/01/comics-sales-1984-1985.html
>Superman 98,767
>Action Comics 66,656
https://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2023/01/comics-sales-1985-1986.html
>Superman 98,443
>Action Comics 61,157
First year of the reboot https://rsmwriter.blogspot.com/2023/01/comics-sales-1986-1987.html
>Action Comics 181,767
>(Adventures of) Superman 161,859
>The summer saw the long-awaited revamp of Superman, by writer-artist John Byrne, in the six-issue limited series The Man of Steel. The average sales of each issue is believed to have been in the mid-to-high hundred-thousands.
>The sales of the new series are unknown, but Byrne almost tripled the per-issue average of Action Comics. The series not by Byrne saw a sales increase of over 60 percent.
And they didn't relaunch those books to #1 either. He made him interesting again. Action Comics was on its way to cancellation.

>>150001624
You're forgetting that rebooting Superman of all things was an extremely novel concept then, because this is the first time it was done. Don't immediately assume the interest in a reboot of Superman is the same thing as the interest in how Superman was rebooted.

>>150001468
>Considering most of the other DC writers walked back 70%
Writers who grew up in the era Byrne undid, and wouldn't be working in comics for at least a couple more years. And certainly weren't in a position to tell Byrne anything for another decade.

>>150001624
>He made him interesting again.
No, it was the content but the name behind it. Byrne at the time was what McFarlane was in the 90's. A modern image for Superman. That is what make the title sale more. Plus the novelty of a reboot.

>>150001624
Random issues of Superman's pal: jimmy olsen sold better than anything Byrne published.

>>150001667
at least the year before the reboot DC was just putting out inventory issues they wanted to get rid of anyways since they were getting rid of the old version of Superman

>>150001667
Mort Weisinger was the first guy to reboot Superman in the 50s, they just didn't make a big show of it.

>>149991760 (OP)
Smallville was heavily influenced by Byrne's Superman. Byrne kept the character relevant.

>>150000454
It gets weird though when only Superman makes any sort of lasting impact in the future, no other hero makes any impact to the Legion at all.

I read this run a while ago and I remember always liking the Jerry Ordway Adventures of Superman stories better.

>>150001786
>Smallville was heavily influenced by Byrne's Superman.
lmao, no.

>>150000454
>. A kid growing up in rural Kansas utterly terrified of anyone finding out how different he was, feeling absolutely alone in the world, gets an allegorical secret club of other weird-kids just like him.
This isn't what the Legion was in 86. It's your pitch on how to make it work.
Pre-crisis Clark wasn't lacking friends, wasn't afraid of being different, wasn't lonely, and Smallville wasn't even in Kansas. It's a pretty solid pitch for them, though, but I can absolutely get how the legion would feel like fluff and unnecessary at the time. The biggest issue is that they basically appeared between two big boon eras for Superman adaptations and thus weren't in either-too late for the Fleischer cartoons and the Reeves TV show, and the 78 Reeve movie feels no stake in adapting them since the prior adaptations didn't, and it was limited for time. Byrne said his relaunch was patterned around trying to bring that '78 Superman into comics.

>>150001799
That only sounds like a weird and noteworthy thing when you're narrowly focused on it. Take a look at the wider DC universe and how editorial wants it to be treated and you'll see that's the case regardless. EVERY story treats Superman as the trademark, trend-setting and quintessential hero, so treating the Legion as especially egregious for idolizing him is pointless.

If you want to get into the nitty-gritty and make it make sense in-character though, you can always focus on the fact the Legion appreciates Superman's legend the most: someone from nowhere who became a hero for everyone. It appeals to these idealistic kids who come from disparate worlds but want to do something good for everybody, not just their own peoples.

Pre-Crisis Superman is a lot more interesting. If you strip away all of the out there sci-fi stuff then Superman is just a big blue flying brick.

>>150001974
Disposable stories for children from the 30s-60s and then just mediocrity, no run of particular note until Byrne.

>>149991760 (OP)
>What happened?
Superman is as strong and popular as the values of America are. If American values are at their lowest point in history, then Superman loses his purpose.

Byrne weirdly makes Superman into kind of a directionless pushover. In his run it's not even Clark's idea to become Superman, Pa Kent basically gives him the whole concept.

>>150001881
I'm not saying that Supes shouldn't be the main inspiration, it's just weird that no other superheroes can make any impact in the future. With how they idolize Supes, it'd make sense for them to like someone like J'onn or Green Lantern, you'd think the female Legionaires would have at least some interest in Wonder Woman.

>>150002015
>Disposable stories for children from the 30s-60s
The Silver Age is what made Superman into an icon, everything about his life and mythos was filled in there.

>>150001974
>If you strip away all of the out there sci-fi stuff then Superman is just a big blue flying brick.
True, and not enough people talk about that. Superman should be on the sci-fi side of DC, but writers always nerf him and put him on street-level situations that are not really different than Batman's.
If any, he should have been given the role your average Green Lantern has, which ironically the original premise of Green Lantern (Alan Scott) was more magical in nature.
The moment they made Green Lanterns the space cops of the universe, Superman kind of lost its purpose.

>>150000173
>I don’t have to read any more of your word salad below this;
I like how you could tell you had nothing to add and you were being treated as the stupid schizo with no real knowledge of the real world, as evidenced by saying you vote based on stupid shit like video games. So you tried to flip it around as if you haven't embarrassed yourself. You know you made a fool of yourself.
And yes, the neoliberal party are right wing. The party that ran on a right wing border policy and having "the most lethal military" and catering to Liz Cheney and continuing funding a foreign war against women and children are right wing. Fucking MAGAtards in 2016 acknowledged Clinton being right wing, but you were probably a fucking CHILD back then.

My city library doesn't have the recent Superman Silver Age omnibus, and I can't find anywhere to pirate it. Should I just drop $100USD on it?

>>150001799
It was a superman comic so he got to be the star.

>>149991783
Because Miller went so far that he looped back around to being a meme character that people couldn't get too mad at. Plus it was too iconic of a story for too popular of a character. If you tried to do away with Year One the entirety of modern Batman crumbles and resets back to a lighter and more wholesome Batman and they can't have that happening.

>>149992717
It was literally against the law until a liberal passed the Hart-Cellar Act

>>150002140
In the bronze age they started telling stories that would appeal more to older readers. Action Comics held out as long as it could, but they couldn't keep Superman in the kids-only corner forever. Kids don't even have interest in the guy anymore, his time is nearing its end, a relic of the past.

>>149996015
Because leftists are political extremists that think they're objectively correct in every instance and that everyone who disagrees with them is the personification of all that's evil in the world.

>>149991760 (OP)
I think the thing behind this was that it felt like Ultimate Spider-Man in 2001, where you kept wondering how they introduce the classic elements to the new setting. Some worked well, others were flat out retarded. Bizarro was really bad, Krypto was loveable but just a normal dog, and Supergirl was pretty what the fuck in origin but she was executed fine as long as the goo thing does not have to come up.

I also liked it being more grounded, one of the big problems with older Superman was that he got a new power every other month. He would need to travel to another galaxy in case he got hiccups so he doesn't accidentally destroy Earth. It was so fucking dumb, so Byrne making things more serious was good.

Him putting his own pedo fetishes into the comic was not so good.

Lex as a fat cat corporate scum was fucking great though, I even liked Lex 2, shame what they did to him.

>>149991792
>and the depiction of krypton as a dystopia is still skubtastic to this day
Makes a lot more sense than just 50s Sci-Fi Earth. They took the high tech into an interesting direction at least, and gave it a whole long backstory dating to hundreds or thousands of years. It was one of the things I liked in it. The alternate future story drawn by Mignola, where Jor-El ships every Kryptonian to Earth, was one of my favourites.

>>149996085
Are there any comics that "cater" to right wingers

>>150002557
Finally, you are having your break out.

>>150002562
>one of the big problems with older Superman was that he got a new power every other month
Now, tells us what silver age stories you actually had read.

>>149991948
>no Superboy and the Legion

He did meet them both and it was one of the most incredible stories I've ever read. Superboys sacrifice against Time Trapper is still burned into my brain after so many years.

Yes, I know you meant that he didn't get inspired by the Legion and had super adventures as superboy, and I like that part. It's way too unrealistic for a kid with superpowers to use them responsibly. Even someone with Clarks upbringing and good intentions, would first need to understand how to handle any situation. A kid would just make things worse, even if unintentionally.

>>150000454
That's too much predestination for me to like.

>>150002203
Than they nuked the Corps to turn it is Spider-Man 2.

>>150002619
Admittedly not too much. Earth Stealers, Superman vs Spider-man 1-2, For the Man Who Has Everything, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. Might have been others, these are the ones I remember the best.

>>150002562
>, one of the big problems with older Superman was that he got a new power every other month
Not really, most of the time was he using some of his normal powers to do a mundane thing in a super way, for example the super weaving.

>In before.
Everybody did hypnotism and ventriloquism back then, WW powers were even psychic based.

>>150002651
Same, it got me to read the surrounding losh and time trapper stuff

> Coherent lore for the character, picking up where Moore left off
>Peak Byrne art
>Created the optimistic Superman that everyone loves
He is disliked because there are some aspects that are not “Superman-like.” Superman had a rough 20 years of subpar work, a small comeback in the 1970s with Kirby leading the way for major changes, and finally Byrne creating the “modern” version that people consider the original canon.

>>149991760 (OP)
The fact that there has not yet been any serious discussion about these characters. And people go by memory of things they themselves have not read, but have read from others, is the problem. At least with Spider-Man, people have read the Ditko run, but how many people have picked up a Wayne Boring Superman?

>>150002785
I meant the Legion story after they leave Superman. Holy fucking hell was it a huge change in shift and tone. The art was incredible, Time Trapper was like Emperor Palpatine but 1000x more powerful, they stop a bona fida armageddon, and you can see Superboy getting shredded up and even uses his last strength to travel back in time just in case the Trapper tries to fuck with them again.

Felt like the Trapper was not just a bad guy but a literal god who can fuck with them whenever he wants and they can't do shit.

>>150002772
A bit confused as well.
>Earth Stealers
This is a Byrne book from 1988.
>Superman vs Spider-man 1-2, For the Man Who Has Everything, Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow.
Those are all bronze age Superman books and not at all like what you described.

>>150002651
Superboy was a lame marketing gimmick designed to compete with Captain Marvel. The art is surprisingly good, but the stories have terrible pacing and Superboy is dumb as a brick. Also, his powers are completely inconsistent, which was normal for the Silver Age. Byrne is working with nothing and trying to give more personality to this out-of-place character from a time when continuity was irrelevant.

>>150002884
Quite a number of contemporary readers did not like his Jimmy Olsen.

>>150002970
>This is a Byrne book from 1988.
It is? I thought it was something pre-crisis since it doesn't feel like it's set in MoS continuity. It didn't have Byrne on art, guess he just wrote it then.

>>150002961
>meant the Legion story after they leave Superman
That what I meant, I kept reading through losh up to the finale because I was invested in the time trapper's big plan

>>150003018
Shit, now you got me curious. From where should I start reading so it leads up to the events of that fateful issue?

>>150003014
Good old Curt Swan drew it which is why it has that old look, yes.

>>150003000
And that's why they don't deserve good things. Kirby comes with his A game and they shit on greatness. They want more shit like “black lois lane” and shit.

>>150003046
I found it to be the weakest of the Fourth World-related books desu. The attempt at a Newsboys revival did not work for me.

>>150003029
There's a couple of plot threads because of how big the team is, but the finale to that superbly plot and time trapper is Levitz's Legion #50.

>>150003093
Better than any other Superman book that came before it. Trying to read Superboy made me reflect on the Silver Age nostalgia; few things from that time have aged well, especially the early Silver Age.

>>150003093
Jim Shooter once talked about how letter pages were manipulated by editors and how some people targeted Kirby in some manner.

>Shooter: Jack’s titles got plenty of positive mail, too, especially early on, but because the people putting together the lettercolumns then used a lot of negative letters, that had the effect of generating more negative letters. In those days, it was a very cool thing to see your letter in print. Show the readers that negative letters are likely to get printed and you’d get lots of them.

>I cannot imagine what the people putting the letter columns together were thinking. Were they trying to be “fair and balanced,” and show that some people were disappointed with what Jack was doing? Was it that they, themselves, were disappointed with what Jack was doing and weighted the lettercols to express their POV? Putting together a negative lettercol is stupid, amateurish and/or malicious.

>>150003093
They used to publish4chan threads?

>>150003187
/co/ has gotten letters published before.

>>150003205
Are, are we a hugger?

>>150003243
Hugger please

>>150003205
>Sincerely, C.O.
lmfao

>>150003260
'sup my hugger

>>149991760 (OP)
How Happened?

>>149992717
>gigantic statue inviting them,
the invitation was added later by a kike you retard

>>150002601
The truth can be uncomfortable

>>149999091
>n-no you
That's all you can shit out, sack of garbage? Go do us all a favor and slit your throat, everybody would only be happy when you die. Or when your sack of shit loved ones die because nobody but subhumans could ever care about trash like you.

I just didn’t realize so many people have a shit about Krypton and Superman’s parents

As a millennial Byrne Superman is just the one I know, even with the flaws and Byrnes bad tics in the run that’s my Superman

>>150004682
I mean I can understand the feelings about wanting Supergirl back in any case but yeah Krypton itself never meant much to me beyond the origin stuff or maybe sometimes a badguy comes from it.

>this shit thread
Get cancer, americans.
I'll be very happy when you all start dying.

>>149991760 (OP)
I enjoyed this, especially since it combines the simultaneous runs. I liked that a lot of the stories were pretty small in scope, like Bloodsport and Toyman.

>>150004531
The actual truth is that amerilards on both sides of your retarded low IQ autistic political spectrum are morons and should die for the betterment of humankind.

>>150005007
Obsessed

>>150005026
Ironic hearing that from a retard who can't shut the fuck up about his stupid childish squabbles.
Just get cancer already, nobody would miss you and your pain would be funny for everyone around you.

So this thread appears to be people who think their inability toget over weird political hangups is the fault of the characters.

>>150005091
It's just retarded cattle low IQ cattle because they feel smart bringing up their moronic "politics" everywhere they go.
This thread had potential, but these animals turned it into another circlejerk.

>>150004950
>>150004939
I wish they rerelease them. The 4th book is selling for 300 dollars at the cheapest.

>>150004857
But then you'll end up becoming American as a result

>>150005244
>n-no u
Slit your throat, amerifat.
I'll go look up whatever "tragedies" hit your country right now.
Hope the death count is in the hundreds at least and hope some children died, would be funny as fuck.

>>149991760 (OP)
He threw the baby out with the bathwater, and while at the time people went "oh thank fuck he got rid of that bathwater" over time people went "hang on, I rather liked that baby."
And some of this changes were just dumb. Just. Fucking. Dumb. We were able to appreciate just how dumb they were when other people ALSO given the freedom to reboot Superman came up with things that WEREN'T so dumb.
DCAU Brainiac > Byrne Brainiac
"The rocket was a birthing matrix because SUPERMAN NEEDS TO BE BORN IN AMERICA" < "Yup, he was an infant immigrant"

>>149999849
>As long as the trannies that made Western videogame and comicbook women look like fat pugs off themselves, I don’t regret my vote

You’re really trying too hard

>>149991760 (OP)
Back in the day, Wizard said everyone should read it and we all agreed because it was Wizard. But now we recognize MOS and Byrne's Superman as starting the trend of Marvelized Superman. No one turned on Miller's Bat classics because it feels DC through and through. People turned on MOS because instead of Gareb Shamus attempting to jack up back issues in his parent's comic shop, they listened to creators who are soundly mixed on MOS as either modernizing Superman or damning it for ruining what made Superman super.

>>150005264
For someone trying really hard to claim you're not a whiny American you're acting like one right now
I'm more convinced you really are just an American posting in impotent rage again

>>150004857
Hi John, you suck.

>>150005768
No, I'm somebody tired of the exact same "discussions" over and over for years.
"Discussions" you have an entire board for yet you bring it here, like a moronic subhuman you are because "don't shit where you eat" is something even animals understand but not you burgers. Because we could've discussed the faults with Byrne's writing and not have a 1049578536th circlejerk of "woke/drumpf good/bad/DEI/leftoids/MAGAtards" if you weren't so mindbroken to smear this shit everywhere you go.
If this was /a/, mods would've intervened by now because they actually care about /a/'s quality.
>>150005772
>fired from Europeans
Lol. Lmao. Classic.

>>150005768
Oh and I'm on /tv/ right now and they somehow manage to have higher-quality discussions than this board had for years.
Fucking /tv/.

>>150005801
>>150005813

Sure thing, American

>>150005831
>amerifatso trying to project
I hope you and chinks go at it and both die in nuclear holocaust, lmao.

>>149994408
But he was on Earth for his whole life... why do we need to care about twitter ops?

>>150005837
Cope harder, American

>>150005831
>>150005837
> Pic rel

>>150005183
oh jesus, yeah i just went for the online reader, psychical collections get so expensive so fast

>>150003093
C'mon, Gru, I thought you were better than that.

>>150005183
>>150006138
I got one of the last available copies of Vol 4 at a decent price in my country. I didn't even realise how rare it was at the time. Nice bit of luck tbqhwy.

>>150003046
Demon is Kirby's best DC work anyways.

>>149992717
>Jews glue a Jewish poem to a national monument
>that means that Jewish poem is our ideals!
NO

>>150006999
All of his work carries as much weight as Dennis O'Neal's stuff from that era. He was the first to come up with a coherent lore for DC Comics.

I'm reading Supreme, and while some see Supreme as the anti-1990s comic book, I'm going further. I would go further and say that Moore is not above the 1990s; if anything, he also criticizes the past. Things are subtle and symbolized by speech patterns, dialogue, and artistic style. It makes me think about how DC began to protect Superman due to his success with young children. They didn't want the older SGT Rock reader base; they wanted the huge growing under-10 market. Children who can barely read, but they already know that their relatives will notice something wrong with the most recognizable character in the world. Superman was competing with Disney and other kiddie books. And this is also relevant to Superman being “progressive” while you had the famous story of the old black man denouncing the silly superhero Thing in GL/Arrow, Superman shied away from having non-white characters. A Chicago-inspired city that only has white people, showing that DC was targeting conservative white America.

>>150005183
I think they're doing an omnibus soon of triangle years

>>150006202
one blue and trhee red, why?

>>150008198
DC works in mysterious ways.

>>149991760 (OP)
I'll read it some day. Then you will know how to feel about it.

>>150001605
While I agree with you that found family is a garbage theme 99% of the time, if you're adoptive parents raised you from the time you were an infant, they're your real parents.

>>150007446
>I'm reading Supreme, and while some see Supreme as the anti-1990s comic book, I'm going further. I would go further and say that Moore is not above the 1990s; if anything, he also criticizes the past.

You'd be correct. It works in the same way as 1963 and Tom Strong. He does things where it's in tribute but also does some sort of criticism, but it's also in service of moving forward

Another example is the contrast against a Veitch/Moore flashback segment where Supreme asks that computer what his life would be like married to Judy Jordan (stand-in for both Lana and Silver Age Lois), Luriel (an angel who is sort-of the stand-in for Lori Lemaris), and Glory (Wonder Woman stand-in). The framing sequence is Ethan Crane discussing the next Omni-Man story with Diana Dane, about who Omni-Man should be hooked up with, and critical of the way comic companies handle romance in superhero comics in the past while setting up Supreme's eventual relationship with Diana

>>149991760 (OP)
We should know about it.

>>150007490
I have the first and the second is on the way, as well as exile, and were eventually getting the return of brainiac next year. But the beginning of the post crisis relaunch is only in those 4 man of steel collections.

John Byrne sucks, who cares? Jerry Ordway, Roger Stern – that's when the books really got cookin.

>>149991776
What his politics exactly what you're saying here?

>>150006202
Ditto. I put off getting for a long time and then all of a sudden almost overnight it became impossible to find. I lucked out and saw a copy on sale for only slightly more than I like paying for things but not awful and got it on the spot just praying the clerk doesn't decide he suddenly wanted to check ebay.

>>149991760 (OP)
>when you realize that Superman is Jewish hero designed to make Jews be seen as saviors of Western Civilization and not its subverters
Good riddance to (((Kal-El)))

>>149991985
What the fuck is the context to this?