Thread 149997818

>>149997818 (OP)
Why should they need that?

>>149997818 (OP)
The diehard /a/ moefag shonenspic won't bother regardless. Maybe if you dub it to japanese, they might consider it if you can fool them enough.
If anything, the pretencious lotghfag is more likely to give shows a try, since he is all about the arthouse navel gazing pedantry.

I've been thinking about making a chart like this for years. There's a really long spectrum of anime inspired cartoons that goes deep. You could probably put MLAATR in there. The 2010's is also filled with stuff like Steven Universe where even the art style, that /co/ hates, has some weebish qualities, and the writing is way more weeb than what people accused AtLA of back in the day.
Anyways, the answer is none. Everyone here watches some kind of anime or reads some kind of manga, but you get banned if you post /co/ on /a/. This is a place for self hating cartoon fans.

All anime are cartoons but not all cartoons are anime (unless you live in Japan but it falls under the same rules where sombrero means hat in Spanish but we have a specific idea on what sombrero means here)
inb4 does that mean anime can be posted on /co/
No fuck off
/co/ is for western media only

>SU
>Mix
Mix of trash lol

>>149998981
I remember I once tried making this image but in reverse cause I found it more interesting, I actually posted it in another thread a while back but never finished it, any of you anons could feel free to fill in the blanks

(Though in hindsight PSG should be in "looks like a mix and written like a mix")

>>149999018
All cartoons are anime, but not all anime are cartoons. Anime means animation and comes from French. Cartoons comes from carton and conjures up a specifically caricatured art style
I believe this.

>>149998981
>the writing is way more weeb than what people accused AtLA of back in the day
Yeah, copying another medium’s writing style isn’t good for your series

>>149998529
>moefag
Cute girls doing jack all, high school setting
Pic related. There is... another. But it's against the rules.
>"shonenspic"
Literally Invincible. It brought in a lot of shounen weebs who normally don't give a shit about capeshit

Neither are really that anime inspired but showcases you don't have to be

>>149999168
They're the same medium, animation

>>149997818 (OP)
not sure, I like both desu

>>149999106
You could throw Dead Leaves in there
Lot's of older anime and manga that /co/ leans towards more than /a/ usually does.

>>149999230
Yeah, but you can’t just use one reference for your writing

>>149997818 (OP)
But Gumball looked like anime in its first season

The only path forward to is to just do what you want and get inspiration from what you like, east or west. The wall is arbitrary and Japanese have influenced western animation and comics since the 60's
But not sticking to one thing only like a lot of weebs

>>149999106
The Big O should be in "looks like an anime, written like a mix".

The series was influenced by shows like Batman: TAS.

SU looks mix. Cartoons didn't look like that back then.

>>150000048
I agree. People don't see that the "bean head" as something you can see in a lot of neotenous designs, but also something exaggerated and simplified from older anime. Sugar has said her favorite show was Future Boy Conan

If Japan made an anime series influenced by Family Guy that looked like one of these shows /a/tards would unironically praise it as kino

>>150000779
/a/ doesn't love every anime

>>149997818 (OP)
lol what a stupid chart

I don't avoid cartoons because they don't ape anime enough, if I want anime I'll just go watch anime, there is no shortage of anime for me to go watch, I probably watch more anime in a single season than I do cartoons in half a decade, I don't need more shit aping anime.
I just want cartoons that are more like how cartoons were in the 90s and 00s, and cartoons that aren't mired in embarrassing current day autism.
Give me more shit like Common Side Effects or Fixed (but, y'know, with more actually funny jokes) and less shit like Castlevania or LoK.

Weebs don't give a shit
Japan though loves cartoons that look like cartoons and weebs get mindbroken by this

>>150000925
They do love shit that panders to them
I remember them all hating Hetallia, and then Strike Witches and the like came out

>>150001027
LoK's problem was that it wasn't eastern enough like AtLA was, it was way more westoid and the new Avatar series seems to be going further in that direction
I'd say the art style isn't even anime.
Either way, literally everyone is like you. People who watch more anime and don't really care about cartoons, and those people are the ones making cartoons now. There's no going back.

what if you wanna make an anime, then what?

>>149997818 (OP)
>How anime-inspired does a cartoon have to be for an /a/ user to enjoy it?
None, it just has to be interesting. A lot of cartoons just... aren't.
The comparison between the two genres mostly comes up when western animation tries to do action, because action cartoons are largely super bad at actually doing fights, and anime has that shit down to a science.

For example, think of how many fucking Star Wars cartoons there are... but what they look like. And then you ask Japan to do a star wars cartoon, and get an entire season of different studios and directors blowing that shit out of the water.

>>150001306
>People who watch more anime and don't really care about cartoons
Sure, but I like anything if I find it appealing, I don't want cartoons to just ape anime because it doesn't address the actual issues I have with cartoons (which is usually writing or animation-related).
There is no point in making cartoons more like anime because you are willingly leaving a less competitive scene to enter a far more competitive scene. It's not like actual anime fans are starved for content, and the content they do want more of is the exact kind of content that western cartoons avoid heavily.
Half the time when people say "I wanna make my cartoon more anime" they just mean "I wanna make my cartoon gayer, but without any interesting elements besides gayness."

>>150001483
> Half the time when people say "I wanna make my cartoon more anime" they just mean "I wanna make my cartoon gayer, but without any interesting elements besides gayness."

If we want to be charitable, what they mean is that they want to ape the directing stylistic flourishes of anime that make scenes impactful, and have the ability to tackle topics with an emotional seriousness that anime allows for but cartoons reject. Its just that the topics that these want to tackle are, themselves, gay. But they feel a need to steal the visual language for tackling such things, because the west has LOST its visual language for anything other than comedy.

>>150001720
I feel part of this is wrong since cartoons still feel flat as fuck and rarely have the cinematic flare and weight that anime tends to have. It's really fucking hard to ask cartoons to try different fucking camera angles every once in a while, even for serious scenes
>because the west has LOST its visual language for anything other than comedy.
I do agree with this. There's a lot of shit our brains(maybe I'm projecting) immediately classify as "anime shit", but are visual shorthands used in western 2D media for ages. This includes action shows too.
But there's also the fact that Japanese studios have been animating western stuff almost forever so there's bound to be some cultural diffusion, making so much concern over this topic end up being meaningless

I don't particularly care over whether something is "gay" or not though.

>>150001459
This is good but I prefer Genndy's Clone Wars
That WAS the visual language people itt are talking about missing. And of course he's a guy who clearly is a fan of Japanese stuff but tries to be his own thing(for better and for worse)

>>150001246
It's a tranny and a Salvadoran-American woman actually making things that the rest of the world wants to see

>>150001459
>Furry girl
>in anime
What anime is that?

>>149997818 (OP)
Samurai Jack is absolutely written like a western cartoon. In fact it has Genndy's writing style all over it.

>>149997867
FPBP
Just make a cartoon, the people who want anime already have anime.

>>149997818 (OP)
Castlevania wasn't written like anime. It has too much religious themes that are familiar only to the West like worshipping niggers and acting like they have the right to be assholes to everyone else.

>>150001246
>>150002049
Between these and Undertale/Deltarune I think it’s really interesting what catches on in Japan, are there any other examples of western stuff getting unprecedented popularity over there?

>>150001246
>>150002049
Funny how they draw the characters off-model.

>>150003213
Depends what you mean by off model
Sometimes they draw /co/ characters recognizably enough, but just add some perspective and detail

>>150003158
It's almost always cute stuff. Cute girls, appealing art style. Some Disney shows still get some art for their girls from small followings
Other examples include a very western art style. Some very western humor and themes too. I think Undertale has a lot of that down. I think it's most noticeable in Hazbin. It's a raunchy comedy with swearing and sex, has a faux 20's aesthetic with musical numbers by what's basically a Disney princess in hell, and very american concerns and conception over religion rather than it just being an aesthetic like in anime. Yeah you can shit on Viv for how she presents it, but you can tell she's a person who grew up going to church and has opinions and isn't just someone who looks at Christianity from afar. Remember that these guys also really loved South Park, cute show with cute things doing what they shouldn't be doing.
Weebs who love espousing western supremacy and wish their stuff was loved by Japan also ironically hate some of the shit that Japan would actually bother to watch in cartoons over anime. The problem is that we think every show has too look generic cheap and ugly.
You can still have some anime influence. Skullgirls had a big audience in Japan, but again, to them the appeal was that it was western and the art style to them was "american comic book"ish, at least one person I saw said it

>>150002648
It's a continuation of the old Thundarr the Barbarian tradition, but there's absolutely some anime DNA in there. Genndy liked the same anime film that inspired Zelda: Winder Waker's art style. And remember when people would call that Zelda a "toon style"? There's a certain point where anime and cartoon blur too much

>>150003697
There's also a lot of Korean westaboos but I don't know enough to describe them. Probably more than Japanese ones

>>150002648
I think OP's pic meant the fifth season alone

Interesting idea. "Looks like" is obvious, but what metrics should you use to decide if something is written like anime versus like a cartoon? Anime has a lot more variety in subject matter than it typically does in visual style.

>>150004121
does it feel more like family guy or p&s

>>150004121
I think for people to actually call the writing anime, it would have to be noticeably similar to an existing anime formula or show. It can't be nondescriptly and generically "anime" without using something as a touchstone, but if its following what are clearly shonen battle tropes played straight you'd be able to call it out as such. Hard power systems, rock/paper/scissors fight logic, x-dere character archetypes, etc. That seems like the way that this would have to manifest in a cartoon for people to call the writing anime instead of just the visuals.

>>150004121
What ultimately differentiates anime from cartoons is a matter of language-culture. Contrary to popular misconception, languages are not interchangable and merely just "English but with symbols or shapes instead" or "a different but inherently identical way of saying the same thing".

When you read Claremont's X-Men, you're reading a comic book that is written in English, produced in an American production pipeline, and shaped by American culture. It is distinctly American down to the paneling, the word balloons, the dialogue, the plotting, the composition, the use of backgrounds, etc. Meanwhile if you compare it to the X-Men manga (that adapted the X-Men cartoon which pulled from Claremont's run), it is like night and day.

To make things short, Japanese manga art emphasizes certain aspects of comics based in traditional Japanese art as well as storytelling, both of which are informed by the nuances of the language (which is itself a product of history and the environment). Scott McCloud kinda covers this, but reading up on Kishotenketsu is something I'd highly recommend that anyone with even a passing degree in East Asian stories do.

>>150004121
Just watch Steven Universe or Owl House for a while.

>>150001433
If you're a weeb who really wants to make something authentically "like anime" and draw manga like your favorite pop artists in Japan, then you do as the Romans do. Immerse yourself in the culture and learn the language.

I'll even lay out for people in this thread what they should be doing if they want to be successful.

Culture-Language acquisition:
>Learn the language: use Anki, read Tofugu's guide to learning Japanese, or try DuoLingo. Start off small, but truly commit to this.
>Utilize what you've learned: try reading manga, watching anime, or listening to radio and music all aimed at young children (for manga, try Yotsuba).
>Continue practicing until you're able to read/understand Japanese at a high-school level.
>Make an online friend out of someone from Japan and talk to them frequently.

Art
>Copy and trace your favorite manga and anime art. There is no shame in this as long as you're having fun and intently learning as you do it.
>Learn and grind away at your fundies. Even the best mangaka say to do this.
>Study the earliest manga art (Tezuka, Ishinomori, etc) and then study Disney comics and animation/art because that's what particularly shaped the modern look of anime.
>Draw from life. Do lots of observational and figure studies.

And that's all you need to do.

>>150004470
But neither of those are written like anime.

>>150004198
Good points, and we could also add other done-to-death genres like card game battles, magical girls, giant robot fighters, and monster collectors to that list.
I'm realizing that nearly all the anime I've ever watched is "written like anime" although I'm sure there are some that aren't. Speed Racer is probably the most "written like a cartoon" or at least middle ground that I can think of. It's episodic and follows the formula of
>Speed joins a race or otherwise gets involved with someone in the world of cars
>bad guys do bad guy stuff
>the gang has to stop them and save the day
Although a ton of side characters end up getting killed, which for a kids show, seems like something only anime can get away with. There's also a tiny bit of old anime's mecha obsession mixed in there.

>>150004470
>Steven Universe or Owl House
>anime writing
What?

Who is moe and why do you all mention him?

>>150004549
They clearly got anime influences which is more than enough, it's not about being exactly like anime. It's the anime influences being overly noticeable

>>150004578
>card game battles
>done-to-death
No

>>150004620
They're influenced in really shitty ways, this is the problem with "anime influence," it always just circles back to
>>150001483
>Half the time when people say "I wanna make my cartoon more anime" they just mean "I wanna make my cartoon gayer, but without any interesting elements besides gayness."

The only things 80% of weebs want from a series is melodrama and generic cute girls with no personalities. The modern anime industry is a slop factory like the West except they pander to angry virgins instead of soft faggots.

>>150004578
>other done-to-death genres like card game battles
The only "relevant" franchise about cards was Yugioh and the last time people cared about it was in 2014. 2016 if you count the nostalgia bait movie.

>>150004641
>They're influenced in really shitty ways, this is the problem with "anime influence," it always just circles back to
It's still anime influence
and anime is gay and lame

>>150004863
Nah, it's just gay influence, which seems to be the main influence in cartoons these days.

>>150004578
I think it really depends how you do it. Giant robots are very connected to Japan, but you got that stuff in PPG and Dexter's Lab, you got whole shows about it like Sym Bionic Titan and Battletech centered on the concept and they wouldn't exist without Japan, but still fell like cartoons

>>150004884
Anime has a lot of gayness, I don't know how else to put it. Whether it's straight up yuri like Utena's influence on SU, or the lesbians in Sailor Moon along with all the ogling on girls while being aimed at girls, or metrosexual fashion choices on male characters in all sorts of shounen
You can say "no but it's BASED when Japan does it", but it's still gay inspiring gays.

>>150004959
Anime has a lot of everything.
People into cartoons are just really really gay these days, so they make all of their stuff super gay. It's very odd, frankly, I imagine it's because cartoonists in the west are just the modern day version of theater kids, who were all notoriously gay.

>>150004959
>the lesbians Sailor Moon
Only two characters. Everyone else was straight.
>metrosexual fashion choices on male characters in all sorts of shounen
fashion ≠ gay shit

>>150004549
Correct. SU and TOH are "written like a cartoon" because they ultimately follow the standard Anglocentric framework of storytelling, which is composed of direct A vs B clashing. Chaos vs Order. Intent and Obstacle. Conflict is built into the structure by default.

Anime/manga/Japanese movies are written in the Kishotenketsu framework which involves conflict but does not have conflict baked into the structure itself. Tension still exists, but the way it is resolved and introduced differs from the Western style in that specifically the first three acts are self-contained and it is only the fourth act where everything is tied together and things are placed into a new context. The third act is where a change/transformation occurs, while the fourth act is where the actual plot twist/reveal takes place.

>>150005032
>Only two characters.
Still exist
>fashion ≠ gay shit
Still extremely faggy, come on. Mesh shirts and eyeliner. This would get shat on if it was western. Plenty of a homoerotcism.

>SU and OH aren't anime influenced! because uh i don't like them
Then nothing western is anime influenced and this thread has no point, then.

>>150005111
>direct A vs B clashing. Chaos vs Order. Intent and Obstacle. Conflict is built into the structure by default.
Like the majority of big shonen franchises?

>>150005143
SU and OH aren't written like anime.
Them being bad is irrelevant to that fact, plenty of anime and anime-influenced things are shit.

>>150004959
East Asia abides by the traditional outlook of homosexuality which isn't really common in the Anglosphere outside of the military, namely "don't kiss and tell". Men and women are free to be homosexual so as long as they

>keep it on the down-low and compartmentalize it into specific areas
>don't do it in public, make a spectacle of it, or make it a bigger part of your public identity
>ultimately marry and have children

>>150005150
That's an understandable misconception. While shonen does indeed involve war and fighting, the literal storytelling structure is different...the way it is expressed, paced, framed, composited, etc. It is fighting without the fundamental confrontation seen in Western writing. It is battling without the conflict-generating problem in the structure.

https://stilleatingoranges.tumblr.com/post/25153960313/the-significance-of-plot-without-conflict

>>150005143
How are SU and OH "anime influenced" beyond lazy references?

>>150005189
Being attracted to the same sex is gay. I don't care about "Roman rules".

>>150005178
>SU and OH aren't written like anime.
Then they're bad imitations, but they're still imitations which is what I'm talking and what I'm concerned with.

>>150005196
It's only bad if you're the bottom and if you're not a very feminine one at that. Every culture agrees on that, at the very least.

>>149999219
S1>S2, but they're both really good. Hopefully faust get's to make more shows

>>150005209
Yes I know, hence Roman rules. But we're not Romans. And we're not Japanese. When we see that, we see gayness and then people complain about people who like it making their own stuff, while also liking said gayness

>>150005192
If you don't know, then you don't know
Watching these shows you can tell they're by weebs who watched nothing but anime as kids and maybe Invader Zim on the side.

>>150002049
>both shows are completely garbage in terms of writing quality
the absolute state

>>149999219
>>150005215
DCSHG had an ugly artstyle. Super Best Friends Forever looked way better. Damn, even TTG looks "cuter" than DCSHG.

>>150005284
anon, if you just wanted to confess that you're a faggot, you could've just said it

If I wanted to make a cartooney cartoon that appeals to japs, what should I put in it(other than cute girls/cute stuff in general)?

>>150005221
>and then people complain about people who like it making their own stuff, while also liking said gayness
Because the people who "like it" always just make their own shittier versions.
They also avoid anything "problematic" because it makes them look worse politically. Japanese media with gay elements usually doesn't just add them for the sake of being gay, they add all sorts of elements deemed problematic by society (incest in Utena, age gap relationships in Cardcaptor Sakura, pedophilia in all sorts of shows, etc. etc.) Their western counterparts pretty much never do any of that, they add the gay stuff because they want a gay show.
Also, frankly, a lot of western anime "fans" aren't actually fans of the stuff they insist they are, they're just fans of some ship or fans of some fight scenes, not the actual property.

>>150005299
Go ahead and tell me, with a straight face, that DCSHG Supergirl looks better than this

>>150001246
In all fairness, TADC and Hazbin hitting it big in Japan has more to do with accessibility and promotion (access is incredibly convenient: anyone with Youtube or Amazon can see it).

>>150005311
Just include stuff you think is cool but make it inspired particularly by Western stuff since Japan LOVES to fixated on American culture the way we obsess over theirs.

If you really want to make it pop off with the Japanese, you could do these things:

>have the story focus on lineage (the Japanese love family stories)
>involve romance or a love triangle (women go nuts for it)
>give the protagonist parental issues
>center around loneliness/isolation/atomization
>make it into an "escape" - either as a literal portal fantasy, or something that's made for easy self-inserting
>make things Gothic/Lovecraftian

Harry Potter made a butt-load of money in Japan and it's why so much anime and manga in the 2000s (and even still now) took place at a school or were Isekai school fantasies.

>>150005412
>it's why so much anime and manga in the 2000s (and even still now) took place at a school
This has nothing to do with Harry Potter.

>>149997818 (OP)
Samurai Jack is fucking boring.

>>149997818 (OP)
>Decent action
>Okay story (even a mediocre story can be carried by a great cast)
>No woke (or an acceptable amount to not feel forced)

>>150005441
You're right, I realized I meant to say "why so much Fantasy anime and manga took place at a school". Before Harry Potter took off in Japan, Japanese portal fantasy was something closer to traditional portal fantasy like Narnia, Oz, Peter Pan, etc. Young boy or girl winds up in a fantasy world and has to find a way back. No school to get in the way.

Then Harry Potter took off and made things revolve around the school or incorporate it as the start of the adventure. Then SAO took off and everything became literally gamified.

>>150005388
>more intresting eye shape with pupils
>cooler hair with more detail
>sexier lips
Yes she does

How come the "anime influenced" cartoons don't have cool soundtracks? That is one of the best things about anime. They make cool opening, give every relevant character a theme, make tracks for "hype" moments, etc. I guess you could say the shitty gay songs in Steven Universe were an attempt to be like anime but even its "best" song (stronger than You) was ruined by the awful fight between Garnet and Jasper.

>>150005567
Bro, do you really think the japanese (and most people) would prefer than shit over this cute, simple design? >>150005388 less is always more.

>>150005674
Most of the money in cartoons goes towards the animation and paying the American employees wages that aren't peanuts.

Anime pumps a lot of money into the animation because on top of serving as advertisement for the manga, anime doubles as advertising for bands and composers. That's why openings feature cool music.

>>150005716
shit, meant to say anime pumps a lot of money into the music*

>>150005716
>Most of the money in cartoons goes towards the animation
I'm gonna press X to doubt on that one, chief.
Hell, even in anime a lot of the budget goes to voicework, and voicework is even more expensive in America.

>>150005716
>anime doubles as advertising for bands and composers.
Why couldnt cartoons do the same? I mean, teen titans go more or less did it with the 80s specials and people like it.

>>150005674
>>150005757
Pretty sure laws and time slot regulations were involved. I recall reading once that the intro couldn't be longer than 40 seconds or something like that. Which lead to them making their own theme songs for the intro, that and them being cheapskate with the ost rights.

>>149997818 (OP)
there seems to be a small point of confusion here. /a/fags on this board don't watch cartoons or anime at all - they just read tweets from their favorite grifters and complain about everything being "woke"

>>150005784
I'm watching 21 shows this season (25 including continuing shows from last season).

>>150005712
Asians and whites have thin lips, so lose the lipstick scars. Then do something about the hambeast legs. After that it's just polish, getting eye sizes and distances right.

>>150005784
I watched every cartoon in OP's picture

>>150005284
Completely disagree, DCSHG is a refined version of SBFF

>>149999106
Middle Bottom box - Boku no Pico

>>150005328
>Because the people who "like it" always just make their own shittier versions.
Shittier version of something gay
Also people still bitched about Steven Universe of all things being problematic anyway and being "bad representation" since everyone's fucked

>>150005780
>Long openings aren't allowed
Okay but you don't need two minutes to make a cool opening song. Also, what is stopping them from putting cool songs and tracks after the intro? Seriously, I don't remember a single track from Invincible.

>>150005784
I just watch stuff i feel i will like, mate

>>149999106
Is it hard to Google "3x3 grid png"?

>>150005567
Nta but she doesn't look cute or hot

>bee and puppycat
Literally who tier

>>149997818 (OP)
The Gumball characters have an anime look.

>>150003158
Pickle & Peanut is interesting for being hated every where else.

>>150001459
>>150002615
Star Wars Visions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LpaFk1iEY0

>>149997818 (OP)
>Avatar
>looks like an anime

Why do Westerners think this? It's not even vaguely reminiscent of anime.

>>150006097
Wrong fag

>>150005674
Western animation overall has a very weak focus on sound, because of how productions are structured.

Put simply: western production has a 'director' role, and then they order different tech teams, musicians, or recording studios to produce sound effects, soundtracks, etc, for creating what will eventually be compiled into the episode's audio track. The director is doing this in addition to managing everything else on the production like storyboards and the like, and those different sound teams never talk to each other, just the director. This director studied ANIMATION, but likely has only a basic knowledge of audio design and music theory, because thats not their passion or what they studied.

Anime studios, however, typically have a dedicated 'director' role, but also a 'sound director' role, whose job is to handle everything about the how sounds and is an expert in audio design and music. Not just how a song works, but how you use sound effects alone to enhance and pace a scene for maximum 'oomph'.

https://streamable.com/fh14x

And, importantly, everything audio related runs through this one guy as a coordinator. Where a cartoon would commission a soundtrack independently of the sound effects and the audio recording (treating them as INDIVIDUAL problems to solve) the sound director role in anime treats them as components that have to fit together from the start, which is how you get scenes like this where the voice acting, ost, and sound design are all LASER FOCUSED on creating buildup and tension purely via your ears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcvSGKpycg

And, of course, then you add in the fact that Japanese animation creates a LOT of original music as a selling point to promote and build shows around, and when you have the director and sound director on point you can get some real magic. Even in anime, nobody does what Symphogear does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys099qG3HVY

Serious question: does this "look like an anime"?

>>150007604
I like anime but that last video is cringe inducing

>>150007604
>There are plenty of iconic anime with amazing soundtracks
>Posts that

>>150007651
Taste aside, do you at least see why I posted it in a discussion of audio design? Symphogear does something unique, in that the characters in it are explicitly singing during battle (because that's what powers their magic armor for plot reasons, mostly because its cool).

To accomplish this illusion, though, what the production team did was record a studio version of the song with the VA's singing the song, but then re-recorded specific parts of it to blend in where the characters are grunting their lines or audibly straining themselves or getting cut off by being hit to accentuate the physical actions they are doing or suffering in the scene as the song is being sung. They don't just play the song track over the scene like its background, its treated like its dialog.
Also, in big group songs like this, they pace the talking of individual characters such that they are only ever speaking during a fight when its not their turn to sing, thus helping preserve the illusion that this is all diegetic.

This isn't just clever slight of hand, its also extremely demanding of their vocal cast. You not only need to be able to voice this character, but sing in the voice of this character, and then loop back around to doing strenuous activity WHILE singing WHILE in character.

It only looks easy in the finished product because it flows naturally in the scene, the work put into making this come together is a real feat.

/a/ likes well enough Radiant, the bande dessinee, so /a/ users can enjoy western stuff. But you have to look genuine. Pic related.

>>150007880
>/a/ likes Radiant
>/co/ gets extremely butthurt about Radiant
Why is that? Is it because it's not american media?

>>150007943
Unironically yes. Butthurt americans hate that a pasty white french weeb, a fucking honhonhon baguette-eating frog, single-handledly destroyed all their dementia about "weebs just aren't interested in western stuff" and "non-asians can't do manga".

>>150004339
What about this language-culture, anon?

>>150008458
He is not saying it's impossible to make a 100% accurate manga-style story. Some people have an easier time picking, understanding and replicing those cues.
Besides, France is the japan of europe anyway

>>150008543
Honestly? Might as well be, for the americans. Too invested in capeshit to actually learn how to do like the japanese.

>>150008721
>to actually learn how to do like the japanese.
Why should they? Just learn to do good shit.

>>150008841
For the /a/ audience, so far, what the japanese do is the good shit.

>>150005784
that's basically just maga tards and not even /a/fags. pretty ironic when liberals are like this. you are not very different from maga tards.

>>150005712
I don't give a shit about the japanese

>>150007630
No. Was it made by a Japanese person? I don't know what would even draw the consideration there.

>it's another "i'm a japanese with close to zero knowledge about western cartoons but let me tell you why ours are better" thread
>>150004934
>Giant robots are very connected to Japan
was done by western cartoons first. yet if someone would do a homage to it, it would be called anime copy.
>>150004121
> "Looks like" is obvious
"anime style" was also done by western cartoons first. look up the soviet Snow Queen movie.
>but what metrics should you use to decide if something is written like anime
written in a lazy way, using the most common tropes without nuance, changing the writing just enough to not be an obvious copy. using template stories, template personalities, template premise. having no actual comedy, because the funniest thing japanese can think of is "poop and sex are funny".
writing it in a feminist way where being female is an inherent achievement on par with saving the world, the female may abuse and reject the male, because "cuteness" and "sexiness" trumps merit. males must act like simps or perverts who get brain damage when their dick gets hard.
>>150007604
and this retard here literally presenting animation being synced with the music as some japanese invention. i'm not even going to post stuff like old Looney Tunes or montages, when there are recent mainstream examples like Dalmatian Street.
https://youtu.be/vy1TEI5eJ4Y
https://youtu.be/0CUNSoU70a0
https://youtu.be/-1NQHOFWvQg
>And, of course, then you add in the fact that Japanese animation creates a LOT of original music
>and when you have the director and sound director on point you can get some real magic.
which of course doesn't happen in western animation, nevermind that there are instances like The Raccoons where the main composer is the same guy as the writer and director, and wrote a whole album for the show that sounds like it could top charts.
https://youtu.be/DEkSzcGIfW0
haven't even mentioned cartoons where the music is used as expression with no dialogue, and movies.

>>150010145
>those examples of music
Just stop posting

>>150010145
bruh I'm probably the only jap itt and not op and none of those you replied to aren't me
you are mentally ill
americans really shouldn't be influenced by anime

>>150010145
this nigga heard the soviet snow queen is miyazaki's favorite and he's unironically claiming it's the first ''anime'' now lmao

>>149998529
if they can't add it on MAL they won't bother

>>150010145
Wow that sure looks like anime. This is the problem with people trying to make paleological arguments about things. Even if you can trace a direct line of ancestry, it's not relevant. China didn't invent spaghetti, even if they gave Italians the idea of making flour noodles. Things are invented where they are developed into their current state, not where some primordial first form of the concept arose.
When people say that something is imitating anime, they are talking about the modern styling and tropes. Not the concept of moving images on screen.

americans are literally too immature and jingoistic to properly take inspiration from other countries especially asia
they will end up denying or trying to downplay it 100%

>>150010216
i only posted one example of music, which is an example of music composed by the same guy that is the director and writer of the show, and yet it is better than the generic japanese garbage i replied to, where they think playing 3 chords on guitar is enough. the other examples were examples of animation synced with music, illiterate toddler.
>>150010263
>bruh I'm probably the only jap itt
and how the fuck would you know anyway?
>you are mentally ill
not as mentally ill as japanese faggots coming to the western cartoon board and making up lies to feel superior. maybe find an other hobby, or go back to your own board.
>>150010314
> and he's unironically claiming it's the first ''anime'' now lmao
which never happened, i claimed it's look was copied for animes, which is factually true. also i don't care about "Miyazaki" and i have known the movie regardless of what japanese think about it, just like i have known my other examples, you japan brained projecting dumbass.

i'm glad none of you were able to prove me wrong and resort to namecalling. i gladly accept your concession.

>>150005328
>They also avoid anything "problematic" because it makes them look worse politically. Japanese media with gay elements usually doesn't just add them for the sake of being gay, they add all sorts of elements deemed problematic by society (incest in Utena, age gap relationships in Cardcaptor Sakura, pedophilia in all sorts of shows, etc. etc.)
Yea, I think this is why gay stuff in America always feels so fake, it's always the only "non-approved" (but not really) thing they ever really tackle in cartoons, it makes it too obvious that they don't give a fuck about tackling any deeper or more interesting issues, they just care about making things more gay.
You won't see many American cartoons tackle the implications of an incestuous relationship, the proliferation of child abuse, generational trauma caused by major events that shaped entire movements, or even something as simple as how best to discipline a child and when or where discipline crosses the line into abuse.
It's all just gay shit and boring whiny teenager shit whining about shit that doesn't really matter, and when Americans are exposed to something actually worth complaining about, they end up being so sheltered that they call it "misery porn."

Oh hey, the Hungarian schizo is here, now we just need birchy and the whole gang will be here.

>>150010397
it's the Snow Queen who looks like that, not those characters.
>Even if you can trace a direct line of ancestry, it's not relevant.
so western cartoons being inspired by anime is also not relevant, got it.
>When people say that something is imitating anime, they are talking about the modern styling and tropes. Not the concept of moving images on screen.
so what you say is that The Boondocks is not imitating anime, because it doesn't have the " modern styling and tropes"

>>150010645
You mean this guy? >>150010496

>>150010645
great, the japanese schizo is here. go on, tell us about how the Star Trek adaptation (legend of galactic heroes) and the western trope collection (cowboy bebop) are better than every western cartoon. everyone on the western cartoon board is interested!

>>150010681
Yep, that's the one.

>>150010726
>Star Trek adaptation
Retard

>>150010670
Still doesn't look like anime. Early anime looked like western cartoons, not the other way around.
>so what you say is that The Boondocks is not imitating anime, because it doesn't have the " modern styling and tropes"
I don't personally think it is, but it would still have a better case than your example since there was a visible shift away from the original art style of the comic towards giant anime eyes and less cartoony proportions.

Weebs are probably paid by site admins to come to this board and keep it alive with their retardation. Seems like it's working.

>>150010777
>Retard
nice argument. also tell us how Ghost in the Shell is not just a Neuromancer adaptation.
>>150010810
so The Boondocks resembles anime because "giant anime eyes and less cartoony proportions" but anime doesn't resemble Snow Queen which had giant eyes and less cartoony proportions...
also Snow Queen has two-tone shading, which is a staple of anime style.

>>150010145
>was done by western cartoons first
The "Hero with super strength" was done by greek, hebrews and others first yet when people think about a super strong hero they think on Superman. He defined what a strong hero is in modern times. It's the same with giant robots and others things done in Japan. Anime like Mazinger and Gundam created the genre. What you posted is nothing.

>>150010404
>literally who is Toby Fox

>>150010910
You call those giant yet despite making an expression to bulge as hard as possible, they're no bigger than the Evil queen I posted. You're even ignoring what I actually said, which is that I don't think Boondocks looks like anime, just that it made a change in direction to look more like anime than its source material.
The point about 2 tone shading is stupid since that's just a matter of budget. No one would argue that scooby doo was ripping off anime.

>>149999106
I think bottom left could have one piece fit in there.

>>150010984
>The "Hero with super strength" was done by greek, hebrews and others first yet when people think about a super strong hero they think on Superman.
that's not what Superman is. the more important part of superheroes is concealing their identity, which was admittedly done sooner by The Scarlet Pimpernel and such, which the creators of the first "superheroes" didn't deny.
> Anime like Mazinger and Gundam created the genre.
just like Godzilla created the "kaiju" genre, which doesn't mean it wasn't a cheap copy of King Kong and The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms.
> What you posted is nothing.
what i posted made japanese animators shit themselves in awe, and possibly inspired them to copy the giant piloted robot concept.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_King_and_the_Mockingbird#Reception_and_legacy

>>150005997
why do they all have hitler mustaches?

>>150010145
> this is what counts as impressive or noteworthy sound design in western animation
Wow, thats dire

>>149999219
Wouldn't the forbidden show be closer to magical girls

>>150011216
>Godzilla
>cheap copy of King Kong
That is why people only care about King Kong if Godzilla is part of the movie, right?

>>150010847
They are just masochists. Watch them play the victim like they did in the 00s once anime goes out of fashion again.

>>150012832
>once anime goes out of fashion again.
God I hope, maybe then we can shed all the retarded children and trend-chasers.

>>150012832
>>150012874
>Most anime is slop
>Cartoons and comics are pretty much dead
>cape movies are flopping
>Most franchises are shit or just dead
>videogames are nothing but reboots
>no good books
it's over. We all lost.

>>150011342
>anime is so great it rarely even has events in the animation synced to the music! i bet you've never heard about something like that before, huh? it requires a separate sound director and superhuman levels of coordination and-
"western cartoons regularly do that, even nowadays."
>uh... t-the sound design is bad

lol

>>150013113
That anon is wrong tho. Anime does it all the time. He just wanted to shills his anime girls.
>western cartoons regularly do that
And what are some iconic tracks? Go ahead and post them.

>>150013113
You are hallucinating an argument to dismiss, anon. And a pretty reductive one at that, but I guess that just makes things easier for you.

>>150008721
>americans cannot have a picture like this for american comics because they have been recycling the same capeshit heroes since 1930

>>149997818 (OP)
How is Samurai Jack written like a-
Oh they are racist woke retards.

>>150009898
>Was it made by a Japanese person?
You can't really tell by looking at it.

>>150014250
Well how else do we here?

>>150014250
Lone Wolf and Cub(a famous gekiga manga) and Little Prince & the Eight Headed Dragon are literally some of the inspirations for it, and Genndy isn't subtle about his anime influences because he's those boomers who saw no difference between anime and cartoons(in a good way)
Do I think it's really "written like an anime"? Not really, Samurai Jack is like those old wandering barbarian sci-fantasy cartoons. But don't be a subhuman 2016 tourist as if you don't know what OP is trying to say

>>150007630
Yes
but also no, it could past for an old action cartoon in the 80's and 90's
but also yes because you just know this guy has at least few anime and manga as his artistic inspirations
but also there's only so many ways you can draw a anatomically correct human in a cutesy stylistic ways, there's some features that humans like across all cultures
but also
See, this is why being obsessed over the distinctions can drive you fucking crazy

>>150017128
Anon, you can tell it's drawn by a westerner because they drew her roots.
It's also probably drawn by a tranny given the very defined neck, throat, and jawline.

>>150009898
>Was it made by a Japanese person?
Teen Titans(03) was, so was Usagi Yojimbo
>but they're Japanese-Americans!
But they're still of Japanese descent, grew up surrounded by Japanese media like anime and films and manga and Japanese culture. ShindoL is also a Japanese-American born in the US.
So is Usagi Yojimbo a manga or is 変身 a comic?
I don't think that's the ruling factor here, if there even is one.
And anon's question was "does it LOOK LIKE anime"? Tragedy of Man has sequences that look like a medieval miniatures. It's not a medieval miniature, but it "looks like" one.

>>150017246
>It's also probably drawn by a tranny given the very defined neck, throat, and jawline.
Totally utterly mind broken if you think this is a new way of drawing women while posting on a board that's half superhero comics, probably a /v/ tourist

>>149997818 (OP)
>Netflixvania
>written like anime
???

>>150007943
Punch Punch Forever has Ren and Stimpy style humor but gets hate on here for being too anime, even though most people here probably only watch anime and only come here for live action adaptations and a cartoon they watched 20 years ago
It's hard to tell what line there is here.
Also some people just BD's because they're fat and American

>>150008236
>"weebs just aren't interested in western stuff"
But isn't it that true if the guy is that good at mimicking manga and you can barely tell?
Also French is kinda cheating since they never had that barrier in east-west animation as the US does. The word anime comes from French, there were quite a few Japanese-French productions in he 80's, stuff like Totally Spies is inspired by Cat's Eyes, an anime that was a huge hit in France but USoids never got
If anyone is allowed to be weebs, it's the French.

>>150007423
I feel like only people who hate the show and think it's weebshit think this
It doesn't hide being a cartoon, I've seen the concept art and it's all over the place. If they wanted to look like an anime, they could've.

>>150011422
It would be, but moefags like cute girls so plenty of them get into magical girls

>>150010145
>was done by western cartoons first
I said connected to, I chose my words carefully and deliberately. I know there's plenty of western examples of mecha frist, a Brazilian comic being one of them. But it's not what I'm talking about.
>"anime style" was also done by western cartoons first. look up the soviet Snow Queen movie.
People overlook the influence Soviet animation has had on anime and animation in general. But no one hides the fact that cartoons like Disney inspired anime. Besides this one guy who said Tezuka being a fan of Disney is a western gay woke lie and that he was mystically inspired Bertiglia's ww2 fascist Italian propaganda, something something hyperborea dick shit.

>>150017798
btw even though I disagree, I appreciate the post
We need at least someone here to actually promote cartoon supremacy on the cartoon board for once

>>150010847
I think the mods are just weebs and just hate this board and the mediums they represent, and treat this place as a dump for things they don't want on their more precious boards, like toonami obviously belong on /a/.
It's just the irony of being a comics and cartoon board on a site primarily for weebs

>>150017460
>But isn't it that true if the guy is that good at mimicking manga and you can barely tell?
I thought the idea was that no westerner ever could be that good or only the japanese can make true manga etc. etc. Now you're saying it's a skill issue?
Have some cute girls.

>>150019004
>Now you're saying it's a skill issue?
Well clearly I'm not the guys who said that, so I have different concerns

>>149997818 (OP)
How Inspiring

>>150000779
/a/ absolutely hates rigged shit,.

>>150003697
It still has garbage writing.

>>150011193
one piece does not look like a cartoon

>>150004658
I still find a few modern anime to like compared to western toons.

>>150003158
Villanos, a Mexican IP.
Moomin, to the point a lot of people actually thing it's a Japanese IP, but it's from Finland.
Outside /co/ i know they like Hollow Knight/Silksong, from Australia, and to a lesser yet similar extend Bug Fables, from Panamá.

>>150010145
>"anime style" was also done by western cartoons first. look up the soviet Snow Queen movie.
Wait until you learn that the creator of Snow Queen was a fan of anime as well lol.
>animation being synced with the music as some japanese invention. i'm not even going to post stuff like old Looney Tunes or montages, when there are recent mainstream examples like Dalmatian Street.
he never claimed that you absolute retard. He said that japanese animation does it way better and it
>written in a lazy way, using the most common tropes without nuance, changing the writing just enough to not be an obvious copy. using template stories, template personalities, template premise. having no actual comedy, because the funniest thing japanese can think of is "poop and sex are funny".
writing it in a feminist way where being female is an inherent achievement on par with saving the world, the female may abuse and reject the male, because "cuteness" and "sexiness" trumps merit. males must act like simps or perverts who get brain damage when their dick gets hard.
That's a nice wall of cope meanwhile the west will never have something with writing on par with Lotgh , Satoshi Kon's works or Cowboy Bebop. Only BTAS comes close.

>>149999106
>Looks like an anime
>Written like a mix
Been watching the original Pokemon anime and I think it could fit there.

>>150012832
Idk how tot ell you but in the 00s /a/ was still way more popular than /co/.
>>149998529
The shonenspics probably don't like most western shonen shows since they are bloodless and the seinenfags are probably disappointed by the fact that most adult cartoons are dumb comedies(I unfortunately fit in this category).

>>150010145
>>150010910
>>150010726
>x is inspired by y
Wait until you learn that every one of your cartoons was inspired by something else. Also being inspired by live action is a good thing dumbass. Modern cartoons are so trash because they only get inspiration from other cartoons.

>>149997818 (OP)
Claiming that castlevania is a written like an anime feels like an insult. That show is filled with so many western tropes it's disgusting. >>150010726
I like western animation, especially 90s-00s MTV stuff and I still think Legend of the Galactic Heroes is probably the best animated show I've ever watched, there is something magical about it and I wouldn't mind if /co/ western creators got influenced by it.

>>150005032
Zoisite and Kunzite
Haruka and Michiru
Fisheye
Seiya
Therevwere more than two gay characters in Sailor Moon

>>149998981
>Everyone here watches some kind of anime or reads some kind of manga, but you get banned if you post /co/ on /a/. This is a place for self hating cartoon fans.
Nah. Anime/Manga is the sort of thing that draws the artsy kids into comic or animation, but they grow out of it and get into western media. It's westaboos that do the hit shows/franchises, both sides of the pacific.

>>150017827
>promote cartoon supremacy
you are illiterate if this is what you got from that post
>>150017798
you shouldn't engage with the hungarianschizo, he is pretty retarded.

>>149997818 (OP)
Castlevania's writing is very distinctively western tho. I wouldn't really say it looks like anime either but I guess it does try to be bargain VHD Bloodlust

>>150010145
>>150010496
CB;s soundtrack(and most Yuki Kaijura music) is more well known that the generic slop you've posted.

>>150017484
>>150007423
Atla is one of the very few western cartoons that has writing close to the best of animu so maybe that's why

>>150005441
You are right, the school genre was already an staple of anime decades before HP was even published.
>>150005480
From what I understand HP wasn't particularly popular in Japan, also HP isn't an isekai, Harry doesn't cross a portal to a fantasy world nor are schools in anime envisioned like fucking Howartz: Kids learn magic because they need it for a cool job they are training for vs Kids learn magic instead of science because their ethnicity is wizard and live in secret from rest of the world.

>>150022942
>Yuki Kaijura
I think you meant to put Yoko Kanno but based taste anyways

>>150023037
>From what I understand HP wasn't particularly popular in Japan
It's the third highest grossing (and the first non japanese) movie franchise in Japan

>>150023103
Yeah that's what I meant. Both of them are fantastic composers.

>>150022312
I'm not a fan of it but it's still immensely successful for what it is

>>150022549
>the female may abuse and reject the male, because "cuteness" and "sexiness" trumps merit. males must act like simps or perverts who get brain damage when their dick gets hard.
Japshit is filled with this garbage and people eat it up and I literally do not give a shit what denial you'll bring, it's like one of the biggest "genres" there in recent years

>>149997818 (OP)
I am an anime watcher and out of those I really enjoyed the first season of SJ. That series had good direction especially for a western cartoon.
>>150010145
>>150017798
Early anime was indeed influenced by western cartoons but by the late 70s-80s they mostly moved away from that and started developing their own styles that were inspired by media other than western cartoons.
>>150010145
>written in a lazy way, using the most common tropes without nuance, changing the writing just enough to not be an obvious copy. using template stories, template personalities, template premise. having no actual comedy, because the funniest thing japanese can think of is "poop and sex are funny".
You have probably watched 1 or 2 anime in your entire life because you don't know what you are talking about, when it comes to animation anime has the most varied storytelling and direction compared to any other country. Something like the second Patlabor movie doesn't have an equivalent in western animation because the rest of the world rarely invests in adult animation of this caliber and when it comes to comedy, while it might be the only sector western animation excels mostly because of classic shorts, a lot of cartoons rely on "poop and sex" are funny as well.
>writing it in a feminist way where being female is an inherent achievement on par with saving the world, the female may abuse and reject the male, because "cuteness" and "sexiness" trumps merit. males must act like simps or perverts who get brain damage when their dick gets hard.
Once again you have no idea what you are talking about. You've only repeated some tropes that you would find in normalfag shonen. Watch Ashita no Joe if you want to see all your poorly researched points crumble away(hell that show might be too mature for you considering you like the 101 dalmatian cartoon).

yeah yeah we get, cartoons fucking SUCK ASS AND WILL NEVER BE GOOD AS ANIME
FUCKING DELETE /CO/ ALREADY

>>150024087
I was quoting the hungarian fag retard. Now address my actual points and yes most of everything is bad but anime has peaks that are untouched by cartoons.
>it's like one of the biggest "genres" there in recent years
Tsundere have been dying for a long as time, they are nowhere near as relevant as they were in the 00s faggot

>>150024109
Other way around

>>150010145
>>150011216
Here you retard. Your favorite creators absolutely loved anime:
>Soviet animators felt the tremors. At a Baseduzmultfilm meeting in 1973, the legendary Fyodor Khitruk said, “We have a serious competitor. ... I watched Japanese animation.”4 After Toei’s Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves hit the USSR in the ‘70s, the director of The Snow Queen called it “wonderful.” The Snow Queen was Miyazaki’s favorite film, and he’d worked a lot on Ali Baba. The admiration was now mutual.

>>150024202
They liked 70s anime which is as far removed from modern tranime as possible.

>>150011216
>what i posted made japanese animators shit themselves in awe, and possibly inspired them to copy the giant piloted robot concept.
Are you illiterate or retarded? Neither Miyazaki nor Isao contributed to the giant piloted concept. I bet you haven't even heard of Nagai go you dumb fuck.

>>150024208
>tranime
Kill yourself zoomer. You are retarded if you think western animation is not far removed from how it was in the 50. Some of the best anime were made after 70s anyways so you are retarded.

>>150024208
>the invincible slopper is still seething about CHADnime
Lol.
>>150024258
Ignore him, he think western animaion peaked with invincible.

>>150022890
I literally barely read any of it because it was too long and I don't really care

>>150024269
>Ignore him, he think western animaion peaked with invincible.
Really? Kek, then he is truly retarded.

>>150011193
That spot should be reserved for Doremon.

>>150024146
>Now address my actual points
Why? I said what I wanted, anime is filled with that garbage you were talking about, I'm not gonna say there are cartoons better than LoGH
>Tsundere have been dying for a long as time, they are nowhere near as relevant as they were in the 00s faggot
I'm talking about the nagatoro trash, faggot, and all it's derivative. You can say it's actually not like that, but it'll still be trash about faggoty protags and some cunt

>>150024278
Yep, it starts here.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149976731/#q149988341

>>150024276
That’s good. He is a dumb spammer and he doesn’t deserve your attention.

>>150024258
Tranime. Cartoon board.

>>150024258
No, anime was always trash, and modern cartoons are killin it, evident from your seething. Anime and Japan in general are dying out and the industry will totally collapse a d is desperate for foreign investors to keep it going. I give it another 5 years before it falls apart.

>>150024316
>Why? I said what I wanted, anime is filled with that garbage you were talking about
I never talked about anything, I quoted someone you absolute retard.
> I'm not gonna say there are cartoons better than LoGH
Then you agree with me, the hungarianschizo was claiming all anime was like that.
>I'm talking about the nagatoro trash, faggot, and all it's derivative.
And there are hundreds of anime that are not like nagatoro.

Cartoons and most comics suck
So people watch and read anime and manga instead
And then the stuff they create is more like anime and manga
And it just feels kinda fake and sucky and gay
Some fags here it's just the ones with literal gayness, but they're retard. Even the "based chud" ones feel so fucking fake and weeb, especially when they try to hard to be something Japanese
I guess American comics are destined to die if this keeps going

>>150024344
>coping this hard
COme on now.
>and modern cartoons are killin it,
By making calarts slop number 101010000?Kek.
>Anime and Japan in general are dying out and the industry will totally collapse a d is desperate for foreign investors to keep it going.
Sure sure, 2 more weeks lmao.

>>150024337
>it-s muh cartroon board, let me talk about steven crapverse in peace!!!
Don’t cry baby

>>150024365
Nobody creates anime inspired cartoons anymore grandpa, that was in the mid 00s to early 10s. It didn't sell outside of Avatar either, and Avatar was entirely carried by its good writing and not it's anime look.

>>150024358
>I quoted someone you absolute retard.
And I didn't care and I talked about the part I cared about
>Then you agree with me
Yes, the thing you're currently sperging about is not my point of contention. Congrats, you fucking retard. It took you this long.
>And there are hundreds of anime that are not like nagatoro.
They're gay.

>>150024386
>>it-s muh cartroon board, let me talk about steven crapverse in peace!!!
I said this word for word, I'm so fucking right.

>>150024392
>And I didn't care and I talked about the part I cared about
And you are wrong about this part because those anime are in the minority.
>Yes, the thing you're currently sperging about is not my point of contention.
Then stop writing like a dumb inbred faggot.
>They're gay.
Are you a child or just retarded?

>>150024387
You think "anime-inspired" just means art style

>>150024411
>And you are wrong about this part because those anime are in the minority.
Popular slop, and people have complained about limp dicked protags getting rolled over by females in anime for fucking years
>Then stop writing like a dumb inbred faggot.
Make me faggot
>Are you a child or just retarded?
I'm based and you're gay. Simple ass.

>>150024412
Regardless, it is the opposite, Japan creates cartoon inspired anime nowadays. They sacrificed their culture to appeal to westerners because they are desperate for my net and streaming services bc their industry is a zombie and all their creatives are gone.

>>150024418
>Popular slop, and people have complained about limp dicked protags getting rolled over by females in anime for fucking years
Doesn't matter, they are still in the minority, retard. Judging by the rest of the post I can conclude that you are a dumb zoomer. Why is your generation so technologically illiterate?

>>150024429
*desperate for money

>>150024429
>Regardless, it is the opposite, Japan creates cartoon inspired anime nowadays.
Like what?
>bc their industry is a zombie and all their creatives are gone.
This applies more to western cartoons where there is not a single good director left. Meanwhile still has some of the old guard and some new directors show up.

>>150024448
Literally the New Panty and Sticking is airing right now. MHA is basically a cartoon. One Piece had Looney Tunes references with Luffy Gear 5 where he becomes a cartoon character etc. Any Trigger anime.

>>150024448
>Meanwhile still
*anime still

>>150003158
Moomin, Shaun the Sheep, Paw Patrol, Wacky Races, Tom & Jerry, Snoopy, Stitch, Undertale/Deltarune, TADC, just to name some.

>t. went to Japan this year

>>150024448
The Rick and Morty anime, the Star Wars anime, the Scott Pilgrim anime, the LoTR anime, etc etc. And outside of that they began adapting Korean stuff now.

>>150024469
>Literally the New Panty and Sticking is airing right now
That one is 10 years old. And you have 2 other examples(3 if you coutn 1 trigger anime per season and some of trigger's stuff doesn't feel cartoony at all ) out of 50+ anime that get made per season? Lmao, AI can't tell if you are trolling or not.

>>150024487
>The Rick and Morty anime, the Star Wars anime, the Scott Pilgrim anime, the LoTR anime, etc etc.
Literally all failed and forgotten and adapting some korea slop has been a thing since the 00s. Now let's talk about the other 50+ anime that have nothing to do with the west.

>>150024503
>the other 50+ anime that have nothing to do with the west.
You mean Isekai slop?

>>150024469
>Panty and Stocking
It actually shows tits and pussy, it can’t be a cartoon

>>150024469
>>150024429
The most popular /co/ property right now, tadc is inspired by anime.

>>150022835
>That show is filled with so many western tropes it's disgusting
The first four seasons are written by WARREN ELLIS for crying out loud. I know he watches anime and all (or at least did back in his blog days) but he's very much of that "british edgelord" post-2000AD mold. For both good and for ill.

>>150024521
Some isekai, some not isekai, doesn't matter, they are not cartoon inspired.

>>150022861
>but they grow out of it and get into western media
Depressing if this still happens in current year.

>>150024541
They are video game inspired which is even worse.

>>150024387
>Nobody creates anime inspired cartoons anymore grandpa,
>implying that's a good thing
Have you looked at modern cartoons? I wouldn't mind them getting inspired by anime.

>>150024387
>Nobody creates anime inspired cartoons anymore grandpa
>what’s Phanteon
>what’s Tadc

>>150024553
Why are you trying to change the subject? You admitted that they are not cartoon inspired which is my whole point. Good for you.

>>150024560
They should be inspired by something good and not gay like Invincible.

>>150024429
>Japan creates cartoon inspired anime nowadays
Absolutely not unless you mean Panty and Stocking. And the original was made because the Gainax staffed was drunk off their asses laughing at Drawn Together and talked about how it does things anime wouldn't do, showing what was said earlier in the thread. They like raunchy stuff.
If you're talking about random anime with a black girl or some shit as "cartoon inspired", you're retarded and don't care about cartoons

>>150022861
>but they grow out of it and get into western media.
I hope that western media you are talking about is not /co/ related since comics have way less fans than manga.

>>150024469
>New Panty and Sticking
Retard
>MHA is basically a cartoon
No
>One Piece
Older than most of this board, and partly inspired by a 70's cartoon
>Trigger
Have you ever considered that westaboos are a thing? One of their first projects before even Kill la Kill was basically an Adult Swim tier shitpost show. Do you even know about the old Gainax cartoon fanart?

>>150024583
Yes, I was obviously talking about good anime, I don't want them to be inspired by bad anime.

>>150024599
Which is a good thing.
Comics are gatekept and have higher barrier to entry compared to manga.

>>150024585
I guess he's talking about anime with "simplified" artstyles and/or slapstick humor like the currently airing City anime or most of the gags in Bocchi the Rock? The former still has a distinctly Japanese style humor though.

>>150024523
It was inspired by cartoons that did show that

>>150024599
Fucking this, it's more common for a cartoon/comic fan to abandon /co/ stuff and switch to /a/ media than the other way around.
>>150024165
Sorry but /a/ won't get deleted.

>>150024560
Boy, I sure do love High Guardian Spice
>NOOOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT

>>150024629
>bad attempts mean nothing should be done anymore
Retard

Comics and cartoons are dead
Give up on everything, just mimic Japan, and then commit suicide when you realize you cannot mimic Japan
I love this optimistic messaging

>>150024615
>Comics are gatekept and have higher barrier to entry compared to manga.
Nope, modern comics still have a fanbase that is filled with the absolute worst people ever. They gatekept the medium my making it so awful that even a lot of older fans have abandoned it.

>>150024637
There has never been a good attempt. Except Steven Universe of course, our favorite

>>150024629
Shit as it was, HGS still looked more appealing than most western shit. It's just the character designs that sucked.

>>149997818 (OP)
it needs pantyshots and jiggling titties, preferably on underage girls. Art style is mostly irrelevant as long as it's not grotesquely ugly.

>>150024646
>There has never been a good attemp
Btas, Samurai Jack, Atla

>>150024618
>City anime
City doesn't feel like a western cartoon.

>>150024638
I'm never watching Japanese trash ever again bro, quit that bitch in 2015. It turns you retard or worse, and I suspect it is deliberate.

>>150002648
Genndy is a proto-weeb and injects all sorts of anime influence in his works. Dexter has direct references to Gundam and Saint Seiya.

>>150024650
Ch/a/d here. I like jiggling titties but I also like good direction as well.

>>150024678
>instead I will watching calarts slop for toddlers
Your trolling is so dumb no one is taking you serious

>>150024661
>Samurai Jack
>Anime inspired
Get a load of this tard

>>150024693
It literally was inspired by some anime and manga. Genndy is a weeb, he even refernces lupin in Sj.

>>150024683
Cowboy Bebop is safe anime

>>150001246
it's not a matter of it looking stereotypically anime, it's about kawaisa; cuteness. Character illicits feelings of moe in the audience.

>>150024702
Samurai Jack looks nothing like an anime, and outside of staring a samurai it is written entirely like a sci-fi pulp. Also it has more Hanna Barbera references but weebs never get these.

>>150024723
>Samurai Jack looks nothing like an anime,
It doesn't have to look like an anime but it's partially inspired in its writing by some anime and manga. Are you denying that Genndy is a weeb?

>>150024733
Genndy is a furry.

>>150024744
And a weeb.

>>150024754
He just referenced some obscure 70s anime no weeb today has even heard of

>>150023974
It is but for all of its success it's still pretty garbage. There are plenty of anime and hell even cartoons that are way better.

>>150024762
>He just referenced some obscure 70s anime
Lupin literally got a new entry this very year and he referenced other anime as well. He is a weeb

>>150024805
You are right, he ripped off Eva for Titan and the ending of TTGL for Jack.

>>150024805
Don't forget the Lone Wolf & Cub and Ghibli references in Samurai Jack, or all the anime/manga references in Dexter's Lab.

>>150024648
>HGS still looked more appealing than most western shit
It's just a variation of what SU was doing

>>150024650
>preferably on underage girls
This is literally the only thing I ask for from cartoons

>>150024786
>There are plenty of anime
No shit, we've established cartoons are an inferior art form and that anyone who makes them should genocided. We get it.
But it's still something than even has Jap fans.

>>150024723
>Samurai Jack looks nothing like an anime
IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ART STYLE YOU FUCKING RETARD AND IT'S LITERALLY PARTLY INSPIRED BY THE LITTLE PRINCE & THE EIGHT HEADED DRAGON
>hahaha mad
BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN THIS THREAD MULTIPLE TIMES ALREADY

>>150024744
Early furries were weebs
>>150024762
No weeb today has heard of tons of old anime that were staples of the medium, who gives a shit? Most weebs probably haven't fucking heard of Space Battleship Yamato

>>150024967
every day we don't get a Manyuu Hikenchou or Kunoichi Tsubaki from a western cartoon studio is a day I hate cartoons more than the previous.

>>150024976
Japanese prefer cartoons because they do thing differently and are more interesting to look at.

>>150000779
I will never watch an anime with this disgusting anime style.
If you are not going to follow human proportions at least stylize the designs and give some personallity, this shits looks like potatos with faces

>>150024993
Modern weebs don't even know what Akira is.

>>150025060
You mean the pornstar?

>>150025039
Idk what you are inventing but plenty of japanese love anime. You can find fanart made for both anime and cartoons on twitter. Same with merch.
>>150001246
TADC was inspired by old anime.

I am tired of weeaboos coming over here just to hate on cartoons. I did not grow up with your Jap shit, I grew up on /co/. I don't care about your cartoons with underaged girls or your reincarnated in another world losers. Normal people who are not 14 year old edgelords don't care. Normal people and children want cute wholesome cartoons about everyday situations told in a comedic manner, and not to watch Takeshi trying to kill the Demon lord while gathering a harem of underaged girls from not-Europe. Keep your cancer to your contamination board, thank you.

>>150025134
>I am tired of weeaboos coming over here just to hate on cartoons.
I am not hating on your cartoons you dumb fuck now calm down.
>Normal people and children want cute wholesome cartoons about everyday situations told in a comedic manner,
yet the most popular cartoon right now is that digital circus stuff, retard. If you hate anime so much why don't you got to a forum that has nothing to do with anime? there are plenty of cartoons forums.

>>149997818 (OP)
Netflixvania isn't even very anime-ish. What did James Rolfe say again? It's "anime for people who don't like anime".

>>150025134
>Normal people: I want cartoons to be more like adult anime, stuff like cowboy bebop, samurai champloo, gits etc.
>you: Noooooo i want all cartoons to be babyshit!!!
lol
btw nor growing up with anime or japanese stuff in general makes you a zoomie, most millennials have seen at least 1 anime/japanese game show/toku stuff while growing up

>>149997818 (OP)
Stephen Universe proved you can make the ugliest shit possible, but just a pinch of anime "inspiration" (plagiarism) and people will love it

>>150025155
It's trash.

>>150025161
Steven Universe is beautiful and is animated better than 99% of tranime, what are you smoking?

>>150025160
I mean, I had Yu-Gi-Oh but that was more like a cartoon.

>>150025342
You have to try harder with these baits.

>>150025354
It's still an anime

>>150025134
anime website. /co/ is a board for anime fans to discuss non-Japanese cartoons. the implication being they also like anime.

>>150025475
>anime website
it stopped being that in 2016

>>149997818 (OP)
Gumball, Samurai Jack, The Boondocks, Avatar TLA and, Symbiotic Titan are all good. Haven't watched Bee and Puppy cat. Don't like Steven Universe, its not for me. Castlevania is dogshit.

>>150025342
You should be killed by firing squad.
>Bait/Pretending to be retarded.
Don't care

>>149997818 (OP)
Was it made in Japan?
No?
Then it is not /a/.

>>150025507
I don't think the op was asking for opinions on the quality of those.

>>149997818 (OP)
Most /a/ users would fall into the category of liking half the shows in that image, none at all, or only 1-3 with nostalgia being involved. People from that board that actually like cartoons like animation in general and just lean towards anime because it's unrestrained by western bullshit, and also stuff thats really goofy like a show about "what if you have a zombie apocalypse but instead of zombies it's cats" can get made.

>>150025354
>Yu-Gi-Oh is like a cartoon
What? No

>>150025551
Are you ESL?

>>150025757
Nope. I thought op was asking for the opinion of an /a/ user in general not in particular. Btw what is your favorite cartoon and your favorite anime?

>>150025780
Courage the Cowardly Dog
Sword of the Stranger

>>150025780
>>150025785
And yours? Don't be a fag and ask a question without giving your answer

>>150025791
>>150025785
Sure:
Ping Pong
Billy & Mandy

>>149999106
Decided to update the chart a bit here

>>149999961
And btas was itself influenced by anime so it's a full circle.

>>150003697
>hat Japan would actually bother to watch in cartoons over anime.
Idk why you are acting like it's one or the other, nips watch both anime and cartoons that's why the new demon slayer movie did so well.

>>149997818 (OP)
wakfu, boondcoks, atla and gumball are probably the most accurate ones. Castlevania was not written like an anime.

>>149999219
>Neither are really that anime inspired but showcases you don't have to be
I am pretty sure Faust has been inspired by anime.

>>150007651
>>150007731

>>149999259
>Lot's of older anime and manga that /co/ leans towards more than /a/ usually does.
/co/ doesn't even talk about their own old stuff.

>>150007423
>>150017484
It does look animeish

>>150010145
>when there are recent mainstream examples like Dalmatian Street.
there is a huge difference between music in comedy series in music in action series and judging by his example that anon was talking about series series, especially action ones. Watch Gunbuster and see how fantastic the music complements the action scene in the 5th episode. It's such a good experience. Another anime that has an amazing soundtrack to help sell the atmosphere and scenes is Madoka, it's hard to imagine so many of the hard hitting scenes in that show without Kaijura's soundtrack. There are serious cartoons with good soundtrack but it's rarer.

>>150024843
Stfu retard

>>150024545
Cope

>>150024202
>Snow Queen is released in 1957
>20 years later the director calls a japanese animation "wonderful" and an animator says "ok, japan might be able to compete with us now"
>this proves Snow Queen in the 1957 was somehow inspired by anime
lol
>>150024106
>when it comes to animation anime has the most varied storytelling and direction compared to any other country.
sure, that's why animes are clearly definable by single genres, and deviating from the norm is seen as some major achievement right? that's why every anime is a rehash of a previous, that's why all of them look the same and have the same direction?
> You've only repeated some tropes that you would find in normalfag shonen.
they are commonly known templates used in anime in general. here is a wiki listing them for you:
https://the-dere-types.fandom.com/
name a single western cartoon character who can be clearly categorized into Dandere, Deredere, Kuudere, Tsundere or Yandere personalities without any nuance. even if you find some, it's probably ones who were torn apart by audiences for being too one-dimensional and cliché, which is not a problem for the japanese it seems.
>considering you like the 101 dalmatian cartoon
it was used as an example, but also i'm pretty sure you haven't seen a single episode of it before forming an opinion, despite pretending to argue for varied direction.

>>150026126
Gumball art is anime inspired

>>150026626
Don't worry, the fact that you are incapable of liking anything that isn't butt ugly and your ilk is incapable of producing anything pleasing to the eye and all your creative endeavors bomb instantly cheers me up.

>>150024202
>Miyazaki
opinion discarded

>>150026643
>Kuudere, Tsundere or Yandere
Are you fucking kidding? Those types are the easiest to find in western media, and the audience usually loves such characters. Helga Pataki alone is more tsundere than most tsunderes

>>150026661
Stfu weebtroon

>>150026688
Retard

>>150026809
>A fan of western media calling ANYONE a troon

>>150026825
Miyazakifags deserve the same level of respect as Disney adults.

>>150026862
Sorry that I’m not obsessed with just one form of media like you

>>150026893
Projecting are we?
Sorry, but I also love quite a fair amount of western media.
It's just most of the modern stuff is garbage.

>>150017128
Honestly, I just wanted to find an art style that won't have /co/ screaming "anime" while still actually looking good and not being too stylized for a serious action series. That Fifth Element fanart was the best style I could find, but aside from the eyes being slightly bigger, it's almost just a tracing of a still from the movie. So the secret sauce seems to be to make something with perfectly realistic body proportions, with stylized coloring, shading, and linework.

tl;dr the art style that's both what I want and isn't "anime" is just live action with a photshop filter like A Scanner Darkly but somehow less sihtty.

>>150026555
so now the goalpost has been moved to "only action series are valid". western cartoons have done it so prevalently, that even the points of Silly Symphonies and Looney Tunes were originally to make animation fitting to musics.
if you want it with a more serious tone, this movie is like an hour long music video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNYX2exi-YE&t=1967s
or there is Heroic Times, an action-drama film which not only has constant accompanying orchestral music, but the sound effects also come from the music:
https://archive.org/details/DalisIdk_201803
>>150026689
except Helga is not JUST a tsundere, and that is the difference. she bullies Arnold because she thinks she is too ugly to have requited romantic interactions, which is reinforced by her family neglecting her in favor of her prettier and more accomplished sister. which is way different than "uguu i'm a bitch to you because some otakus find that hot and we have a quota for stereotypes to include"

>>150026955
And most anime tsunderes have in-universe reasons for being bitches too. Whether or not they're well written is irrelevant.

>>150024481
I live in a Japan can confirm all these ... except Wacky Races, where tf did you see anything from that?

>>150026497
no it doesn't

>>150026862
>tranime does trans rights shit before westerners know they exist
>japanese call them "futa" and make a whole subgenre about them before westerners know they exist
>every western cartoonist who put trannies in their cartoons, like Rebecca Sugar, cite animes as influences, and often straight-up copied things from animes
"fan of western media calling anyone a troon? h-haha, ironic!.."

>>150026925
You are a fag anyway

>>150026098
They had japs animate for it but the show's influences are dipped in noir, art deco and Burton's Batman.

>>150027069
And unlike in the west, Japanese trannies are actually hot.

>>150026643
>sure, that's why animes are clearly definable by single genres, and deviating from the norm is seen as some major achievement right?
Those genres are in bigger numbers and way more varied than cartoons. Literally everything is defined by genres.
> that's why every anime is a rehash of a previous, that's why all of them look the same and have the same direction?
Once again speaking out of your ass. How does Patlabor have the same direction with something like Lupin?
>they are commonly known templates used in anime in general. here is a wiki listing them for you:
it' clear that you've never watched an entire anime in your life. There plenty of anime with different character tropes just like in all non-animated media. Tell me where someone like Yang Wen-li fits in your selection? Oh yeah nowhere. Also talking about things being generic is a really bad mood when cartoons tend to be mostly samey comedies and every time a cartoon does something different it's a huge achievement. Other anons have already mentioned Pantheon itt and that show did something that Lain did in the 90s.

>>150026643
>aanime is generic
>meanwhile cartoons: >>150000779
Sorry but I want cartoons like Gits bot this adult animated slop

>>150026955
>western cartoons have done it so prevalently
I didn't say that they haven't done, I said that they are not as common in cartoons.

>>150026643
>it was used as an example, but also i'm pretty sure you haven't seen a single episode of it before formin
Forgot to add but using a kids cartoon while talking about things that you don't understand make you look extremely foolish.

>>150026643
>>this proves Snow Queen in the 1957 was somehow inspired by anime
Where have I said that illiterate bitch?

>>150027069
>talking about trannies when all western comics are nothing but tranny shit
I wouldn't talk if I were you bro...

>>150027711
>>150026643
One last thing to add but you've basically ignored everything I've said in my last point because you are too afraid to address it. My very first example, Patlabor, contradicts everything you've made up about anime so everything you've written is in bad faith. Regarding the adult market anime will always be ahead of cartoons because of their different histories(not saying that there aren't any good western adult cartoons but in a genre like sci-fi there a way too few of them compared to what anime has achieved and I have watched mars express, it was pretty good)

>>150027094
The show was influenced by anime as well, the creators were fans of anime. A show has multiple influences, big o wasn't only influenced by btas either

>>150027901
Chartanon do you have that chart with anime composers so I can show that dude what I am talking about?

>>150028104
This one?

>>150028114
Yes

>>150028114
Is there any western version?

>>150026955
Asuka is a tsundere and she is better written than most /co/ characters

>>150028232
Idk if /co/ has made one.

>>149997818 (OP)
It needs to be produced in japan

>>150027901
Any /co/ stuff like Aria or Kino's journey doko?

>>150027711
>Those genres are in bigger numbers
yes
> and way more varied than cartoons
no
in animes you have: 'guy does magic shit and fight enemies with it' and it's 'battle shonen'. there is no distinction in genre to be made just because the magic shit is called "quirk" and not "stand/jutsu/bankai/devil fruit/stand".
meanwhile most cartoons can't even be defined by a single genre.
what is Courage? a horror-comedy-adventure-slapstick? what is Dexter? a slice of life-sci-fi-fantasy-action-comedy? what is Son of the White Mare? a psychedelic-folk tale-fantasy-psychological-action-adventure? what is The Mysteries of Providence? a dark-mystery-adventure-comedy-fantasy? what is Pelikan Blue? a reverse-detective-documentary-thriller-roadmovie?
even regarding Dalmatian Street, it has sitcom elements, slapstick elements, and horror elements. if that and Loud House were made in Japan, they would rehash them so many times that it would create a new genre called "big-family anime", just like they rehashed King Kong so many times it became the "kaiju" genre and rehashed big robots so much it became the "mecha" genre. that is the difference. if westerners made a movie about someone shitting their pants and it got rehashed in japan so much it became "poopu maiu pantsu" genre, you would unironically claim japan has more diverse genres.
>>150027754
using no examples to support your claims makes you look even more foolish.
>>150027901
cool, because all of my examples contradict everything you claimed too.
>but in a genre like sci-fi there a way too few of them
and this is why it's not worth arguing with bad faith weebs. fucking seriously? off the top of my head: star wars cartoons, star trek cartoons, fantastic planet, gandahar, time masters, mézga family, mikrobi, once upon a time... space, cat city, white plastic sky.
go actually watch cartoons before claiming something.

>>150000779
Are those steamrolled cardboard cutouts or what?

>>150004795
What is that?

>>150022412
The #1 thing people bitch about one piece is that it doesn't look like an anime and Luffy is a cartoon god.

>>150030206
>in animes you have: 'guy does magic shit and fight enemies with it' and it's 'battle shonen'. there is no distinction in genre to be made just because the magic shit is called "quirk" and not "stand/jutsu/bankai/devil fruit/stand".
Once again, arguing in bat faith. What is Patlabor? A sci-fi mecha procedural police story. What is gits? An action cyberpunk mystery. What is monoke? A horror supernatural psychological? Etc etc, I could do that the whole day.
> if that and Loud House were made in Japan, they would rehash them so many times that it would create a new genre called "big-family anime",
Another anon has pointed but the west has been rehashing the whole adult animated sitcom again and again and again. You have no right to talk when the west has not made that many interesting and varied anime. Also loud house is already ripping of older cartoons by your own logic. If you want me to act like a dumbass in the same way you do than literally 90% of western cartoons are interchangeable comedy garbage and nothing more.
>using no examples to support your claims makes you look even more foolish.
My first post used Patlabor as an example, are you illiterate?
>off the top of my head: star wars cartoons, star trek cartoons, fantastic planet, gandahar, time masters, mézga family, mikrobi, once upon a time... space, cat city, white plastic sky.
This literally proves how dire the situation is.? I asked for adult animation and you name the star trek/star war cartoons and once upon a time? Are you serious? Without even thinking much I could easily name 50 sci-fi anime alone. I would probably name hundreds of them if I had the patience. You have a few good examples there but they literally don't compare with adult anime.

>>150027711
case in point: Disney's Alice in Wonderland is categorized as a "musical fantasy comedy film", japan does the same thing a billion times and it's then called "isekai".
>>150027737
yes, not as common but way more common in cartoons. the whole "Golden age of American animation" had that, and even today cartoons have that, as i already pointed out.
>>150028114
>>150028104
yeah that's a bunch of composers. what about them? what does that prove? that cartoons don't have good composers? or famous composers? Lion King's music was composed by fucking Elton John. Rock & Rule's music was composed for the film by famous musicians. cartoon music is usually composed by people who were already accomplished as musicians, and that's how they get hired in the first place.
or the claim that western cartoons actually don't have sound design or some shit.
here is a behind the scene video showing parts of a cartoon's sound and music recording, including an orchestra playing the music while watching the cartoon in the background:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXn__c8DBCQ
skip to like 17:33, because embed apparently ignores the timestamp.

it's so tiring that weebs come here to claim some obvious bullshit about western cartoons, and apparently i'm the only one to argue against them, despite not even being particularly knowledged in them.
i bet the next claim will be "cartoons never even had color" and weebs will think they are right if i personally don't waste my time proving it wrong.

>>150030206
>there is no distinction in genre to be made just because the magic shit is called "quirk" and not "stand/jutsu/bankai/devil fruit/stand".
Sorry little bro. Naruto? An action ninja story centered around perseverance, loneliness, and the desire for recognition.
One piece? An adventure story about friendship and freedom?
Jojo?
A generational epic that switches genre every other part. It does horror, sci-fi, fantasy, mystery, slice of life etc.

>>150030836
>case in point: Disney's Alice in Wonderland is categorized as a "musical fantasy comedy film", japan does the same thing a billion times and it's then called "isekai".
And disney does the same movie so many times that it's called a disney princess movie. Stop arguing in bad faith you absolute moron.

Why does /co/ in particular have so many annoying schizos like this?

>>150030836
>yes, not as common but way more common in cartoons. the whole "Golden age of American animation" had that, and even today cartoons have that, as i already pointed out.
The discussion, if you followed it, was about modern series not incorporating that aspect. No shit old movies and shorts did it.
>yeah that's a bunch of composers. what about them? what does that prove?
That anime have a lot of well known composres that have worked in a multitude of series.
>or the claim that western cartoons actually don't have sound design or some shit.
I never claimed that.
>that cartoons don't have good composers? or famous composers?
Once again pulling arguments out of your ass.

>>150026301
Maybe mildly at best.

>>150031045
>was about modern series not incorporating that aspec
*not incorporating that aspect as often
Have to correct myself or that faggot will jump at my throat.

>>150030206
>rehashed big robots so much it became the "mecha" genre. that is the difference.
Yet a lot of mecha are different, you have never watched a mecha in your entire life. Mecha shows can be any genre.

>>150030836
>here is a behind the scene video showing parts of a cartoon's sound and music recording, including an orchestra playing the music while watching the cartoon in the background:
I love you never post american cartoons examples. Go ahead a post good american cartoon music made in the last 15 years

>>150031082
Still enough to matter. She was especially influenced by Sailor Moon.

>>150005674
Because Japan at least before the 2000s always saw their animated productions and cinematic, to the point that the Soundtrack releases were, well, ACTUAL soundtrack release, with them actually being about the music of the damn show and not just songs made for it.

>>150007604
>Safety blur

I FUCKING HATE SAFETY FILTERS, that's why modern anime is shit, the Pokemon Porygon fiasco was just mass hysteria.

>>149997818 (OP)
>How anime-inspired does a cartoon have to be for an /a/ user to enjoy it?
>this thread
I always get confused. Is anime-inspired the wife, or is cartoon the wife?

>>150031346
It's just 2 second, and I am pretty sure there are still show with bright lights that don't get blurred.

>>150031425
There never been any Pokemon Porygon style flashlights anymore in anime because they felt for the mass hysteria and government overreach.

>>149997818 (OP)
Fuck I miss Sym-Bionic Titan. I don't understand why that show got such a bad draw. I mean it even got taken off Netflix after a couple years. Really wish Genndy at least got another season for that show.

>>150030836
The west does the same thing a billion times and it's called family guy generic adult sitcom

>>150032243
That guy is insane. Just ignore him.

Tell me, cocksucker
Tell me (>>150030206
) where the Baccano! Golden Kamuy, Initial D, the Madlax trilogy (Noir, The Witch Hunter, Madlax) Gunslinger Girl, etc?
Where?
That's why /a/ won
The manga and anime continue to win and will continue to win

I'm a cross boarder. But I also was raised by Disney Afternoon and Toonami. Kids these days have YouTube. But that's where I first watched Haruhi. Some people prefer one board. Some people cross board.

>>150033637
Stfu thirdie

>>150030913
>action ninja story centered around perseverance, loneliness, and the desire for recognition.
that's not a genre
>An adventure story about friendship and freedom?
also not a genre. i'll give you the JoJo one, although i was obviously referring to the battle parts.
>>150030964
>And disney does the same movie so many times that it's called a disney princess movie.
yes, and that's a tiny part of a single company's output, so implying it's as prevalent as isekais in japan is in bad faith.
>>150031045
>The discussion, if you followed it, was about modern series not incorporating that aspect.
how the discussion started:
>Western animation overall has a very weak focus on sound, because of how productions are structured.
so the claim was for "western animation overall", and the explanation that followed implied that western animations don't have sound directors.
>Where a cartoon would commission a soundtrack independently of the sound effects and the audio recording (treating them as INDIVIDUAL problems to solve)
so there was also a claim that western cartoons handle soundtracks entirely independently.
and now we apparently backpedalled to "was about modern series not incorporating that aspect".
>>150031152
and yet they still have the base aspect of giant robots. using the other guy's example, it's like if western cartoons had a "princess movie" category
>>150032243
post the compilation again, so i can point out again how most of those shows are from the same 2-3 teams of creators.

>>150030737
> I asked for adult animation
western cartoons don't have much of a distinction between being "for kids" and "for adults" in the first place. which is why things like Invader Zim can be considered kid cartoons, despite it being a show about an alien invader and his faulty killer robot trying to enslave humanity. if you watched cartoons you would know that target audience doesn't reflect maturity anyway. just like how Lion King despite being "for kids" can have a mature look on life and death with it's "circle of life" theme, and yu-gi-oh despite being "for teens" can have toddler-level shit about "believe in the heart of the cards" and solving your problems with card matches, and panty&stocking despite being "for adults" can have sub-toddler level maturity with it's constant poop and sex jokes.

>>150034439
>that's not a genre
Naruto is a action adventure fantasy coming of age story/.

>>150034439
>how the discussion started:
>>Western animation overall has a very weak focus on sound, because of how productions are structured.
Wrong the discussion started with >>150005674.
>so the claim was for "western animation overall", and the explanation that followed implied that western animations don't have sound directors.
I literally never claimed that.

>>150034439
> and yet they still have the base aspect of giant robots. using the other guy's example, it's like if western cartoons had a "princess movie" category
Western cartoons have a comedy category. 90% of them are comedies that have the same thing in common

>>150034439
>yes, and that's a tiny part of a single company's output, so implying it's as prevalent as isekais in japan is in bad faith.
As other anons have pointed out you also have a lot of samey comedies and there are more of them than isekai.
>>150034530
Seeing that you've ignored my whole post and chose to focus only on the last part I will have to deduce that you concede those points.
>western cartoons don't have much of a distinction between being "for kids" and "for adults" in the first place
Yes they do.
>which is why things like Invader Zim can be considered kid cartoons, despite it being a show about an alien invader and his faulty killer robot trying to enslave humanity.
You have to be joking. Using the same logic naruto is such a mature show since it's about a guy committing a genocide on a whole village. Invader zim is a fun show but it would never be able to compare with something like Patlabor in terms of maturity. Same with Lion King. I am starting to think that I am talking with a literal child.
>nd yu-gi-oh despite being "for teens" can have toddler-level shit about "believe in the heart of the cards"
You are contradicting yourself so hard. Firstly, Yugioh is a shonen for children, secondly the first part of the manga is about Yami punishing bad guys in quite grotesque ways, basically portraying how their evil ways are their own undoing, it's darker than any of your examples. Why do you keep talking about stuff that you have never experienced? Adult animated comedies are full of just poop jokes and I p&S was not the adult anime examples I've offered you. You keep ignoring all of the anime I've mentioned since you've never watched them so you have nothing to say about them.

>>150034439
> post the compilation again
find it yourself, it’s itt and they are not the other ones, plenty of older adult animated shows are sitcom slop as well

Bump0

>>150034439
> it's like if western cartoons had a "princess movie" category
They literally do. The west also has:
>movies about talking animals
which is way more generic and more common genre than mecha.

>>150025039
That was the appeal of cartoons in general, you didn't always know what you're gonna get
Kinda died in the 2010's, people shat on the faux UPA look of the 00's but it had way more variations

>>150026301
Faust is one of those weird things to pin down because she absolutely watched anime and it has some DNA in her works, but it's still intrinsically cartoonish compared to all the other examples in cartoons where they really slam the magical girl influence hard

>>150026497
A bit. But you forget about all the anime stuff until they do a funny face every once a while. Concept art has some very Ghibli drawings, if they wanted to do that they could

>>150027069
Unironic trvke, anime is filled with so much gay shit and has crossdressers and dickgirls and homoeroticism for decades. If you tell people to watch anime, don't complain when they watch anime and get influenced by it and cartoons get gayer. People itt really ignore how much of a weeb Sugar is

>>150026651
It is, while also still looking like a cartoon
Another example of the anime-cartoon distinction having shortcomings

>>150025134
Half of your post is wrong and probably bait that I'm sure the weebs here successfully bit on, but I do agree it's tiresome to have another "cartoons suck anime won" thread. Like, okay, what now? Why are they here if they hate cartoons and comics so much? Half the time they don't even know anything about the medium beyond the big modern stuff, so it's not like they're all disillusioned fans.

>>150025072
>TADC was inspired by old anime.
Was inspired by Popee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D70Otzi3kCA

>>150035392
>Faust is one of those weird things to pin down because she absolutely watched anime and it has some DNA in her works
Agree. It's like she's not actively trying to emulate anime, more like her personal taste just ends up appealing to anime fans as well.

>>149997818 (OP)
i can tell this 9koma is shit because according to it the most cartoon cartoon is gumball

btw the most anime cartoon of all time is popeye

>>150026082
i can tell this 3x3 is shit because according to it the most anime anime is kill la kill

>>150003158
King of The Hill

/a/ won
Seethe & /co/pe
/co/cksuckers
M/a/nga rules!
/a/nime rules!

>>150037511
>thirdie thinks tweet is proof of something
You love to see it

>>150037511
It's true but man, cute anime girls are so fucking boring and generic, they all look the fucking same and I just think about how some salary man drew it
Cartoons know how to make cute girls imo but they somehow just choose not do so, I don't want to watch the same generic japanese high school with the same Japanese humor.

>>150037941
I love anime but japanese humor is unwatchable

>>150037099
>the most anime anime is kill la kill
The chart is about anime that has western influence, and KLK is an example of one that has western influence (Spawn, Marvel, Hellboy all being referenced at some point) but it's an anime that's writen like one and drawn like one. The chart isn't claiming KLK is the anime-est anime to ever anime.

>>150026082
Cybersix for the last one?

>>150026626
Arrest

>>150026082
Great work!

>>150036634
> like she's not actively trying to emulate anime,
She was influneced by shoujo stuff

>>150035444
>But you forget about all the anime stuff until they do a funny face every once a while.
I don’t.
>>150027046
Yes it does.

>>150037941
That anon is baiting but you don't know shit either. Sakura Kinomoto, she was conceived by a group of women, is cuter than all cartoon and anime girls alike and that is hard to contests. he way she is colored in a traditional way rather than the boring digital colors that dc girl uses , all the detail used for her hair and clothes, the extremely smooth cel animation that portrays her movement etc. It's hard for your example to compete. Hell even Faust herself would say that something like Sailor Moon was a huge inspiration for her and that anime has some of me the most iconic cute girls ever, it basically gave thousands of boys their firsts boners and when it comes to calling things generic it's obvious that you've only watched like 1 or 2 anime when there are animu that looks 10 more interesting and unique than whatever you've posted, check VHD out for a show with unique artstyle and cute girls. There are some cute cartoon girls as well but they are from old stuff.

>>150037941
>I don't want to watch the same generic japanese
Watch more anime

>>150035392
>but it's still intrinsically cartoonish compared to all the other examples in cartoons where they really slam the magical girl influence hard
I think most cartoons are intrinsically cartoonish, so I don't see the difference.

>>150041914
Kill yourself famicom

>>149997818 (OP)
Most of these don't fit though

>>150042422
How the fuck do you confuse me with famicunt? That faggot has probably no idea what VHD is.

>>150035591
>People itt really ignore how much of a weeb Sugar is
Except the gay show she liked, Utena, has the lesbian girl have sex with a man proving that she never watched it and trapshit in anime is always about a GUY dressing like a woman, trannies find the word trap offensive. Look at >>150027778, that was not made by an anime fan, that was made by a tranny trying to insert himself.

>>150042013
Wow good thing anon was specifically talking about the specific subsection of anime colloquially dubbed "cute girls doing cute things" and how he wishes cartoons would do that because the anime version of that is boring and cringe to him and not as cute as cartoon girls when done right
and NOT the claim of "all anime is the same" so I don't think WINGS OF HONNEMISE OR MONONOKE ARE RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION YOU FUCKING RETARD WEEB DEFENSE FORCE HOLY SHIT LEARN TO READ

>>150042451
Kill yourself famicum

>>150042513
>Wow good thing anon was specifically talking about the specific subsection of anime colloquially dubbed "cute girls doing cute things"
And that chart has windy tales. Also that anon was talking about cute girls in general you absolute idiot.
>the specific subsection of anime colloquially dubbed "cute girls doing cute things"
He never said that, he said "cute girls" in general
>and not as cute as cartoon girls when done right
Except as another anon pointed out CCS does it 10000 better than any cartoon girl show. Even in CGDCT you can find variety. I can name such shows that look fairly unique like Hidemari Sketch and Windy Tales.

>>150042480
She also said Future Boy Conan was one of her favorite peices of animation and once that Kill la Kill was her favorite piece of currently airing animation(this was before it aired on Adult Swim)
She's a weeb and this is what happens when weebs who love melodramatic stuff start making cartoons, maybe you should advocate for American little girls not watching lesboerotic magical girl shows like Sailor Moon or some shit, because you can talk about how it's actually "based" in Japan but the American youth are still watching Sasuke and Naruto kiss once and other metrosexual stylings
By the way, Rocky Horror Picture Show is also "offensive" and also loved by a lot of gays and trannies, Sugar probably watched that shit like 20 years ago

>>150042531
I don't give a fuck about hamtaro so I can't be famicunt

>>150042608
Those are irelevant since cartoons had bugs bunny crossdressing way before any of these, so all of them would have been influenced by that anyways.

>>150042572
>Also that anon was talking about cute girls in general you absolute idiot.
No, I was actually thinking of cute girls doing cute things, and DCSHG is a cute girl doing cute things shows
I watched a lot of the shows on that chart too btw, this isn't 2009 anymore. Everyone has seen anime, at least everyone on this board that's mostly just weebs.
>but dude these two rare exmaples that aren't common
okay dude

>>150042638
Bugs Bunny was made in an era where fujos didn't exist and weren't a market to cater to nor did it have shots on his hot twink body

>>150042665
>No, I was actually thinking of cute girls doing cute things, and DCSHG is a cute girl doing cute things shows
And it's worse than CCS.
>I watched a lot of the shows on that chart too btw, this isn't 2009 anymore.
That's a little hard to believe but I will take your word I guess.
>but dude these two rare exmaples that aren't common
You are using a rare example that isn't common either and I can name other CGDCT shows with good direction/art styles if you are interested

>>150042685
>Bugs Bunny was made in an era where fujos didn't exist
Lmao, fujos have existed at least since the 19th century. Read one of those /co/ threads about cartoons that started their fetishes and plenty will mention bugs or just other /co/ gay shit in general

>>150041914
NTA but you should really kill yourself. I don't give a single fuck about your schizo fight, but you are also a fucking retard for writing an entire paragraph as a reply to obvious bait. Just leave Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon out of your demented shit, stick to Sakura or cartoons or whatever, just not our girls. We don't want your ilk. Kys

>>150042638
>so all of them would have been influenced by that anyways.
So you agree it's bad in cartoons and is worse in anime that indulges in it

>>150042731
Retard

>>150042709
>You are using a rare example that isn't common either
And that's why the original post wished there were more of it
Retard

>>150042754
I agree that it's retarded to bring up anime when cartoons have been doing it for a way longer time.
>that image
Kek, crumb is pretty based.
>>150042765
No you

>>150042743
I never said anything bad about SM though, I think it has some of the best backgrounds in animation and really good character writing.
>>150042776
If you claim that "Cartoons know how to make cute girls" and you only have 1 example then maybe you are the retard.

>>150042816
>I agree that it's retarded to bring up anime when cartoons have been doing it for a way longer time.
So we agree to just bomb all animation
We all know cartoons are fucking ugly, disgusting, inferior, and anyone who likes them should be shot, and anime with the same fucking fujobait and degeneracy only makes it worse, kill it all

>>150026607
>>150042765
gtfo newfag
>>150026809
gtfo neetoon

>>150043038
If degeneracy is such a problem then we should nuke all media since it's all a vehicle for spreading that kind of stuff.

>>150042857
>and you only have 1 example then maybe you are the retard.
If you don't know literally every other waifu that /co/ obsesses over or are gonna tell me that Jenny Wakeman(a character that even Japan liked) isn't actually cute, then I don't know what to tell you. I know /co/ of all places somehow also has tourists who only come here for one or two threads, so I'm gonna have to chalk you up as one if that's the case.
Yes I find them cuter than most anime girls, and the claim is that I wish this was capitalized on more but yet it is not.

>>150043063
Now you're getting it
Christ will win

>>150027080
You're a sperg anyway

>>150043072
>If you don't know literally every other waifu that /co/ obsesses over or are gonna tell me that Jenny Wakeman(a character that even Japan liked) isn't actually cute,
We were talking about examples of western CGDCT and I don't think MLAATR is one(also who cares if Japan likes it, Japan also likes a lot of characters)
>Yes I find them cuter than most anime girls,
And I find Noriko Takaya and Sakura Kinomoto cuter than western cartoon girls.
>and the claim is that I wish this was capitalized on more but yet it is not.
Your claim was that anime cute girls are boring and generic in comparison with cartoon girls which is untrue and stupid.

>>150043125
>I don't think MLAATR is one
"Cartoons know how to make cute girls"
Not as an example of CGDCT, but of just a cute cartoon girl in general
>And I find Noriko Takaya and Sakura Kinomoto cuter than western cartoon girls.
We are not clones of each other then
>Your claim was that anime cute girls are boring and generic in comparison with cartoon girls which is untrue and stupid.
When people say all cartoons look the same and ugly, you and I both know they're not talking about something like Thief and the Cobbler or Soviet Little Mermaid
When I said that, you know what I'm talking about, not Windy Tales nor the like. You know a show I liked? Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, because the humor was cynical enough, the art and animation was unique, and so on

>>150043192
>Not as an example of CGDCT, but of just a cute cartoon girl in general
Then why are you comparing cartoon girls in general to just a single genre of anime? That's both dishonest and dumb.
>We are not clones of each other then
No shit but at least I've given examples on why Sakura looks better than the girl from the dc girls show which are at least somewhat objective.
>When people say all cartoons look the same and ugly,
I didn't say that, read my 1st post again
>That anon is baiting but you don't know shit either.
>When I said that, you know what I'm talking about, not Windy Tales nor the like
That's exactly my fucking point, if you want to compare cute girls then do it in a reasonable way by using equal examples from both sides, not fucking 1 genre from 1 side and the whole spectrum from the other or it makes you look pretty dumb.

>>150042857
You made a stupid oversimplifying analysis of it that cheapened the groundbreaking masterpiece it actually is. As I said, don't involve us in this schizo fight.

>>150043261
>You made a stupid oversimplifying analysis
I didn't analyze it. I just used it as an example. There are a lot of good things to say about it but that was not the point of my post.

>>150043293
You did, but whatever. Keep sperging about Cardcaptor Sakura vs Tiny Toons or whatever the hell is this thread about.

>>150043530
>Keep sperging about Cardcaptor Sakura vs Tiny Toons
No one mentioned Tiny Toons.

>>150041914
>VHD out for a show with unique artstyle and cute girls
The Vampire Hunter D show finally came out?

>>150042665
>DCSHG is a cute girl doing cute things shows
Amd it's still mogged by Gochiusa, Yuru Camp, Zatsutabi, Ruri Rocks, Bocchi, et cetra.

>>150043080
What's Christ's 3x3?

>>150043765
Meant to write movie.

>>150043192
>>150043235
>When I said that, you know what I'm talking about, not Windy Tales nor the like
Also forgot to add but making wide stupid generalizations and then trying to defend them when people point out how stupid they are is not a clever move especially when your first example comes from a show with pretty average visuals. I could say that both cute and ugly girls in western animation are generic and they never get as much character development as even the average magical girl show and you would probably try to reply with "but what about show X that is the exception to this". Engaging in such discussions is annoying.

>>150031346
That 'mass hysteria' put two kids in the ICU and a few hundred out of school for days. That shit was a legitimate medical emergency and studying it actually advanced the epilepsy field.

>>150024706
What, because it's good?