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Anonymous No.150000690 >>150001163 >>150004081 >>150004439 >>150005336 >>150005866 >>150006247 >>150006365 >>150006369 >>150006945 >>150008535 >>150011993 >>150022365 >>150025848 >>150025861 >>150028959 >>150030977
What would Walt Disney think of how animation has changed since his death?
Anonymous No.150000731 >>150000753 >>150000759 >>150001170 >>150003108 >>150003501 >>150003772 >>150003787 >>150005970 >>150008657 >>150010846 >>150011993 >>150014721 >>150025853
>WHO LET ALL THESE JEWS AND NEGROES IN MY STUDIO?
Anonymous No.150000753
>>150000731
If they've been creating works of spectacular art all this time, I think he would forgive them. The question is: Have they?
Anonymous No.150000759
>>150000731
>We're paying them how much? Lol.
Anonymous No.150001163
>>150000690 (OP)
Anonymous No.150001170
>>150000731
kek fpbp
Anonymous No.150001181 >>150001444 >>150002982
>Wow AI is that good? We could use this to ride cryptocurrency into the future!
Anonymous No.150001444
>>150001181
>generic birdslop has a beanmouth for a chin
Anonymous No.150001460
I call his work beanmouth and he gets back into the mr freeze tube
Anonymous No.150001476 >>150002153 >>150005962
cries over being mogged by UPA and also directly giving birth to them
Anonymous No.150002153 >>150005519
>>150001476
QRD?
Anonymous No.150002494 >>150003466
Disney was a huge fan of the Jungle Book girl so heโ€™d probably love all the brown girl focused shows these days.
Anonymous No.150002733
>Cal Arts Style you say?
Anonymous No.150002982
>>150001181
the bird has two mouths retard
Anonymous No.150003108
>>150000731
But he was already employing Japanese during his lifetime,
Anonymous No.150003466 >>150033742
>>150002494
Disney was literally dying and probably high as fuck to be able to walk. Actually uncle Walt was probably asexual for real and not in the twitter way
Anonymous No.150003501 >>150003672 >>150003673
>>150000731

>edgy zoomer has never heard of Floyd Norman, or Renaissance era artists like Dan Haskett, etc.
Anonymous No.150003672 >>150005350
>>150003501
For better or worse, Walt was a sociopath. He didn't care about people, he cared about results. If he had to denounce workers to the FBI for making more movies, he was willing to do it. If a chink or a nigger could draw, he was willing to hire them. He only cared about his vision. See also Tyrus Wong
Anonymous No.150003673 >>150003768 >>150003806
>>150003501
Floyd Norman is extremely overrated. He was just an inbetweener. On his own, his drawing skills are mediocre at best. He is just the token black guy. It's actually crazy the lengths people go to act like he wasn't an inbetweener.
Anonymous No.150003768 >>150003863
>>150003673
Uncle Walt didn't care about tokenism. He hired him and kept him in the company because he saw something on him. Also in-between animation is an important part of the process. See the uncensored episode 4 of Lost Universe to see how animation looks without an inbetweener
Anonymous No.150003772
>>150000731
>Mommy, I posted it again. I bet Seth McFarlane would give me a reach around.
Anonymous No.150003787 >>150003821 >>150003941
>>150000731
Both lies made up by literal communists btw
Anonymous No.150003806 >>150003863
>>150003673
>it doesnt count because...BECAUSE I SAID SO!!!
Also, Walt pushed for James Baskett to have a seat at the Oscars. Like it or not, Walt was progressive for his time and did more for blacl people in this country then any tumblr refugee will ever do for anyone in their lives.
Anonymous No.150003821 >>150003893
>>150003787
They're not lies. We have letters written by Walt that show what a massive racist, sexist, and homophobe he was. There's even a hilarious one where he ranted about how Germany invading Poland was a good thing.
Anonymous No.150003863 >>150018502
>>150003768
I'm saying how animation history remembers him now. He's the token black guy. Inbetweening is important, but so is coloring and inking. The way they talk about him today, you'd think he was Milt Kahl. And he just rides on that stolen valor.

>>150003806
I have no qualms with Dan Haskett. Actual talent that doesn't overstate his importance in animation.
Anonymous No.150003893 >>150012665
>>150003821
Being sexist, racist and homophobe was the norm back then. It was even taught in schools. About the nazi thing, reminder that multiple figures from both the right and the left believed WW2 was going to be a global raising of the working class against capitalism so many industrialists like Walt Disney and Henry Ford wanted a strong leader that could defend their private property and fascism appeared
Anonymous No.150003941
>>150003787
Based and hidden truth pilled.
Anonymous No.150003955 >>150003976
There is no contradiction between being a pro-Nazi racist and being the boss of a major American corporation that employs people of color.
This is neither a defense nor a criticism of him, it's just the reality of the time.
Anonymous No.150003976 >>150004062
>>150003955
>Pro nazi
Dobyourself a favor. Take a nice relaxing bath with your toaster.
Anonymous No.150003988 >>150004058
I have a theory, a schizo theory, about what would've happened if he lived long enough to see video games.
Would anyone want to hear it?
Anonymous No.150004058 >>150004199
>>150003988
Spill the beans
Anonymous No.150004062
>>150003976
NTA but Walt had pro-nazi ideas. He was mostly apolitical but he was surrounded by nazi shills in America and he was deadly afraid of unions. Actually his problem was mostly about the unions and the big irony is that communists don't accept unions in their soil so if the USSR won the cold war, uncle Walt could do a Fantasia every year without having to think in the children
Anonymous No.150004081 >>150018583
>>150000690 (OP)
I think heโ€™d actually be OK with the abandonment of traditional animation. Iโ€™m not OK with it, but I think he would be.

Disney loved new technology, techniques and mechanical โ€œprogressโ€ even as he was very nostalgic in other respects. Heโ€™d probably have agreed that it was time to move on to the new toys.

Also I think heโ€™d approve of Kevin Feige because his movies have a lot in common with Waltโ€™s approach to live-action. Disney movies were known for being entirely storyboarded before the director got involved (or even before the script was finalized), his director with rare exceptions had no real power and would not even move the camera unless the producer said he could. Heโ€™d watch a Marvel movie and feel heโ€™d come home.
Anonymous No.150004199 >>150004278 >>150004373 >>150005102 >>150005303 >>150009669
>>150004058
Consider this. Walt never dies, but manages to live into the year of our Reagan 1985.
>He is an innovator, and he's a patriotic American. He sees the rise of video gaming and believes in his heart that Disney should put itself out there. To this end, he begins a collaboration with Atari. >Why Atari? They are THE name in video games, having popularized them in the home since the inception of the VCS(2600 is what it'll later be called). >Seeing, however, that the technology is still primitive, he has his engineers work with Atari on the 5200, making it roughly comparable to the NES before Nintendo brings it over in 1984.
>With Atari not hampered by the collapse of the industry to harshly(it still happens, as it was unavoidable), they're able to weather on and release the 5200 in 1984.
>With 3rd party exclusives by way of Disney(Chip and Dale, DuckTales, Black Cauldron, Great Mouse Detective, Mickey Mouse, etc.), Nintendo doesn't have as tight a stranglehold on the 3rd party market as they do in our timeline. The only reason they did was because there was no competition for several years, even after the Sega Master System comes in, Nintendo basically forbade any of their regulars from making games for them.
>Because they aren't choking developers, they're able to have a wide assortment of multiplatform games available on both Atari and Sega(since at the time, if memory serves, they were an American company), thus removing the key advantage they had in the 1980s.
>Walt dies in 1985. Just too damn old. But he cemented Disneys ties to Atari, and when the 1990s roll around , the 7800 is released with Disney exclusives this time around, since then have enough people developing for them they can keep their games as exclusives.
>The 7800, working on the 5200, is roughly on par with the Sega Genesis and the Super Nintendo, and is strongly tied with Disney. You go to Disneyland or Disneyworld, and you'll find Atari Land/Atari World.
Anonymous No.150004278 >>150005303 >>150025913
>>150004199
Because Atari is alive and kicking, we could very well see Disney channel and movies adapted from their video game line, and we could see games never considered made from their Disney series. Imagine Mickeys first full length feature film based on the exclusive Castle of Illusion game, for example.
With Atari being successful, Nintendo would possibly try and work with Sony still to make the PlayStation and, failing as they did in our timeline, create the PSX as we saw. With more developers being free from Nintendo, we could also see Sega thriving too. I bet they'd poach a few developers from this Disney-Atari cooperation and use them to help jumpstart work on their Saturn project, so that its developed from the ground up with 3D in mind.
>E3 1995, the first E3.
>Sega announces a full 3D Sega Saturn, with a first party Sonic X-Treme.
>Sony announces the PlayStation.
>Nintendo the N64.
>Atari? Atari unveils the Jaguar, with a 1st party Disney RPG called Kingdom Hearts.
I don't know how, but that's where my little theory ends. It's entirely possible as well that with the market saturated with four big entities, two American, Apple might see no need to release the Pippin. No Pippin, no inspiration for Microsoft to create the Xbox.
Anonymous No.150004373 >>150004412 >>150022008
>>150004199
Walt would be a hardcore reaganite. Reagan is everything he dreamed. He destroyed unions and cut taxes to the rich. Walt would be so happy that he could suck Reagan's cock
Anonymous No.150004412 >>150004431
>>150004373
He would give Reagan a personalized Disney-Atari 5200 with the first copy of a Mickey Mouse game.
Anonymous No.150004431 >>150004484
>>150004412
Yeah, that too
Anonymous No.150004439 >>150021979
>>150000690 (OP)
I'll suffer no Walt slander. he has a place amongst the Parthenon of Great Americans.
Anonymous No.150004484
>>150004431
It's fun to imagine.
Anonymous No.150005102
>>150004199

that's a nice timeline, Anon
Anonymous No.150005303
>>150004199
>>150004278
It's so nice to read quality posts on /co/ for once.
Anonymous No.150005336
>>150000690 (OP)
who cares

here's what I wanna know, what would Walt think of vaping? Man was an inveterate smoker
Anonymous No.150005350 >>150012289
>>150003672
>If he had to denounce workers to the FBI
You mean denouncing commies? That is always the based and right thing to do
Anonymous No.150005519 >>150005578 >>150005855 >>150005962 >>150008072
>>150002153
UPA exists because some animators wanted to unionize, Disney hated that, fired them, and lot of those animators and then some formed UPA where they were allowed to experiment with animation more and which would inspire a lot of the "cartoon style" for the next 50 years
I wanna make an Epstein island rich people joke but honestly, maybe I'm naive but I don't think Walt would've been on the list
Anonymous No.150005578
>>150005519
I think he would've found it distasteful, but probably would've gone to it at least once more to rub shoulders with the right people even if doing nothing actually bad per se
Anonymous No.150005807
zoomers don't know who peter bagge is
Anonymous No.150005855
>>150005519
Huh, didn't know that. I'm not a fan of limited animation, so I can't say I approve of this development.
Anonymous No.150005866 >>150005917 >>150006650 >>150012760
>>150000690 (OP)
>What would Walt Disney think of how animation has changed since his death?
He would not give a fuck.

By the time of his death he had already written off animation as a medium and was desperately trying to remodel himself as a new american industrialist. He would be more concerned about America's infrastructure and how his company scrapped all of his revitalization projects and concepts. He would be fucking livid at the idea of his magnum opus, EPCOT, being turned into a literal theme park attraction. Thinking he would be concerned about animation is the exact narrative and revisionism that Disney as a company has been carricaturing him as for years while memory holing any of his ambitions or dreams for a better america. This guy was the biggest supporter for the american space program and did national PR for fucking NASA, he is going to want to know why we never went fucking back to the moon, not how melinated people ended up in his companys animations.
Anonymous No.150005917
>>150005866
This is an interesting take, and plausible.
Anonymous No.150005962 >>150006592 >>150006650
>>150001476
>>150005519
So unionists are the direct cause of the shitification of western animation as a medium? Damn, it really does all come back to Walt doesn't it?
Anonymous No.150005970 >>150008442
>>150000731
Walt employed a lot of jews; and they all defended him against accusations of antisemitism, made by competitors and communists. The only reason that myth still exists is due to a throwaway joke in Family Guy. It'd be karmic justice, if Seth is similarly disparaged after his death. Except no one would notice, cause Seth won't be remembered like Walt is.
Anonymous No.150006247
>>150000690 (OP)
>Hey, anon! Stop putting anti-semitic views in my mouth and get back to sucking my dick, you fucking faggot! And make sure you do the Mickey voice this time or no payment!
Anonymous No.150006350 >>150006357
>>149999999
>>150000000
Anonymous No.150006357
>>150006350
Schizo
Anonymous No.150006365 >>150011650
>>150000690 (OP)
He would despise Tranime that's for sure.
Anonymous No.150006369
>>150000690 (OP)
He'd be fucking stoked about computer animation. He'd also really like video games as an interactive storytelling device.
Anonymous No.150006592
>>150005962
>So unionists are the direct cause of the shitification of western animation as a medium?
Television is, hb just sped the style
Anonymous No.150006650
>>150005866
We would have Space Disneyland and green energy by now

>>150005962
His abusive dad was a hardcore socialist whose businesses all failed so Walt grew up loathing communists. Probable the roots of his racism and sexism also had to do with who he saw as useless in society and unfit for work. Hence the high performing exceptions like Norman or Blair who met his standards.
Anonymous No.150006945 >>150008142
>>150000690 (OP)
Anonymous No.150008072
>>150005519
Huh. So that's where they came from
Why did Disney hate the unions so much
Anonymous No.150008142 >>150008181 >>150008442
>>150006945
Walt Disney wasn't even antisemitic. People are just mixing him up with Henry Ford and treating a running family guy gag as fact.
Anonymous No.150008181 >>150009771 >>150017468
>>150008142
Henry Ford wasn't antisemitc either. People say that because of his book that no one actually bothered to read where he is actually fair handed about the topic of jewish metropolitan culture.
Anonymous No.150008442 >>150008526 >>150008632 >>150022039
>>150008142
>>150005970
The anti-semitism thing originally came from a book full of scandals, myths and rumours about Disney that everyone called bullshit on. Basically pre-social media outrage grift.
Anonymous No.150008526 >>150008825
>>150008442
Makes it sound like heโ€™d be right at home here
Anonymous No.150008535 >>150008699
>>150000690 (OP)
>Impressed by GCI and how absurdly detailed it could get compared to 2D.
>Probably a bit bummed that 2D has all but completely disappeared in the Western Market.
>Impressed at how TV animation evolved from the low quality Hanna Barbera of the 1960s to the what we saw in the 90s and 2000s and then gets bummed by the lower quality animation of the 2010s-Today.
>Anime would interest him. He would be curious why Japan didn't transition to 3D like America. Would probably study how anime studios use CGI.


But really his biggest reaction will be
>WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU DO TO EPCOT!?
See Pic Related.
Though I would like to add that Disney didn't completely abandon animation. If I remember correctly one animator in the 1960s said when Walt was involved it was " just like the old days" so Walt still had a passion for animation but by the 60s it was not his priority. His priority and biggest passion was EPCOT.
Anonymous No.150008632
>>150008442
That sounds like the "Disney Version".
Anonymous No.150008657
>>150000731
He did
Anonymous No.150008699 >>150009444 >>150009595
>>150008535
Tell me, why was EPCOT so near and dear to Walt Disney?
Anonymous No.150008825
>>150008526
Based
Anonymous No.150009444
>>150008699
It was the closest thing to a real kingdom that Walt dreamed of.
Anonymous No.150009595 >>150009677 >>150012760
>>150008699
Walt had an autistic devotion to system management and logistical streamlining. Half way through his career he got into infrastructure and architecture in his spare time and believed the US needed to revolutionize the way it constructed cities as well as the wellfare afforded to its citizens. From this he envisoned EPCOT as a prototype test model for a new way of city construction and infrastructure that would revolutionize the living conditions of familys and american workers. He prototyped the EPCOT model with the early Disney theme parks as investors saw the project as an investment with no returns and he even personally designed some roads for california to combat high flow traffick. He literally transformed swamps into theme park psudo cities that were mostly self-sufficent. He was a massive proponent of public transportation systems too and fucking loved monorails (which is also why some parks employed them). Basically imagine 50-60s futurism and condense it down into a small city. He was dead set on making it happen so it could also be legacy as he saw himself as an american visionary. He detested the "Uncle Walt" character and his association with the Disney company as a pure media franchise. In his own words he wanted to be the next Ford.
Anonymous No.150009669
>>150004199
TLDR Mickey Mania would release in 1987.
Anonymous No.150009677
>>150009595
This man's dream was squandered and his legacy tarnished into being a caricature. I weep for what was stolen from us.
Anonymous No.150009771 >>150010898 >>150010964
>>150008181
One of his non-readers was Hitler who plagiarized some f his words for Mein Kampf.
Anonymous No.150010846
>>150000731
Fpbp
Anonymous No.150010898 >>150010964 >>150011073 >>150011170
>>150009771
And? If a mass shooter quotes music lyrics does that make the band guilty of encouraging mass shooting? Of course not, that would be retarded logic to follow. Ford's work was from a value-free perspective, people like Hitler added their own values to the assesment after the fact.
Anonymous No.150010964
>>150009771
>>150010898
In addition, the bulk of Mein Kampf was not even written by Hitler to begin with
Anonymous No.150011073 >>150011162
>>150010898
>Ford's work was from a value-free perspective

Like what?
Anonymous No.150011162
>>150011073
That there was a growing metropolitan class of Jews at that time who did not have strong ties culturally to the countries they were born or raised in
Anonymous No.150011170 >>150011188 >>150011252
>>150010898
>Throughout The Dearborn Independent, Ford published articles that would refer to Jews in every possible context as at the root of America and the world's ills. Strikes: It was the Jews. Any kind of financial scandal? The Jews. Agricultural depression? The Jews. So "the Jew," in a way, became the symbol of a world that was being manipulated and controlled.

>A close friend recalled a camping trip in 1919 during which Ford lectured a group around the campfire. He "attributes all evil to Jews or to the Jewish capitalists," the friend wrote in his diary. "The Jews caused the war, the Jews caused the outbreak of thieving and robbery all over the country, the Jews caused the inefficiency of the navyโ€ฆ"
Anonymous No.150011188 >>150011269
>>150011170
>A close friend
>trust me bro
Anonymous No.150011252 >>150011378
>>150011170
>Strikes: It was the Jews
That's not controversial at all. A lot of unions had leaders and organisers who were jewish at the time
Anonymous No.150011269
>>150011188
You can handwave the second paragraph but not the first.
Anonymous No.150011378
>>150011252
Treating jews as a monolith is anti-semitic.
Anonymous No.150011650 >>150012012
>>150006365
He literally liked CHADnime while he was alive you zoomer retard.
Anonymous No.150011993
>>150000690 (OP)
>>150000731
Fpbp
Anonymous No.150012012 >>150012058 >>150012324
>>150011650
Cuz it was Disney ripoffs back then. He would puke if he saw modern tranime.
Anonymous No.150012058 >>150012152
>>150012012
Nope, I am sure he would like how it changed in the 80s or like people have pointed out he would probably not care at all since he wasn't that interested in animation in his later years Why does CHADnime make you seethe so hard?
Anonymous No.150012152 >>150012216 >>150012228 >>150012269 >>150012324
>>150012058
I wasted a decade consuming it an interacting with it's retarded fanbase until I reached 1000 watched anime and realized it was all garbage and it's fanbase are easily impressionable degenerates with no standards.
Anonymous No.150012216 >>150012244
>>150012152
This is me with cartroons, iโ€™ve literally watched and read almost all cartoons and comics and Iโ€™ve realized they are all garbage slop
Anonymous No.150012228 >>150012269
>>150012152
You are a lying bitch. You already got btfor here
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/149976731. Now run away.
Anonymous No.150012244 >>150012260
>>150012216
Stop talking shit weebtroon
Anonymous No.150012260 >>150012281
>>150012244
Sorry but itโ€™s the truth
Anonymous No.150012269 >>150012329
>>150012228
>>150012152
>no standards
>he likes garbage like invincible
Lmao.
Anonymous No.150012281 >>150012491
>>150012260
The truth is that you are a retarded fag
Anonymous No.150012289
>>150005350
>i think we should let kikes treat people like slaves
We know Cletus.
Anonymous No.150012324
>>150012152
>>150012012
kys retard
Anonymous No.150012329 >>150012397
>>150012269
Yep all CHADnime haters have garbage taste. That faggot hasn't watched a single CHADnime in his entire life.
Anonymous No.150012397 >>150012431
>>150012329
Just proved my point
>it's fanbase are easily impressionable degenerates with no standards
Anonymous No.150012431 >>150012468
>>150012397
You proved my point that you are a retarded faggot. You have no room to talk about standards when you like garbage like invincible so your opinion doesn't matter. Sorry.
Anonymous No.150012468 >>150012504
>>150012431
post Ranma next time tranny
Anonymous No.150012491
>>150012281
The truth is that you suck cocks
Anonymous No.150012504 >>150012566
>>150012468
Nice projection troon but I post whatever CHADnime I want. Ranma is a good CHADnime.
Anonymous No.150012566 >>150012589 >>150012615
>>150012504
>written by a lesbian feminist
>about a tranny
>every shitty romcom cliche
it is literally dogshit and if it came out today as a cartoon you would have a mental breakdown but because you have the Japanese ding-dong stuck up your ass you sing it praises, hypocrite.
Anonymous No.150012589
>>150012566
>>about a tranny
Wrong
Anonymous No.150012615 >>150012631 >>150012638 >>150018203
>>150012566
>f it came out today as a cartoon you would have a mental breakdown
Nope people would praise since it uses actual good colors and directing which is 10000x better than calarts slop(of course I am talking about the original ranma). Anyways, I think I am done talking with you. The fact that you like invincible tells me all I need to know about your intelligence.
Anonymous No.150012631 >>150012670
>>150012615
Your faggotry proves that you are a retarded coomerfag who should be brutally killed slowly
Anonymous No.150012638 >>150012700
>>150012615
Original Ranma was animated as cheaply as possible and looked like shit, but yeah, post some scene from an OVA and pretend it all looked like that.
Anonymous No.150012665 >>150012685
>>150003893
>it's fine to be a fascist piece of shit because it was in fashion at the time
Fuck off.
Anonymous No.150012670 >>150012706 >>150012758
>>150012631
Yeah sorry but the opinions of invincibletards don't matter lmao. Here I will post the gif that btfoed you so hard last thread lol and just so you know I have plenty of CHADnime gifs that don't have sexy girls but you are too dumb to appreciate them anyway.
Anonymous No.150012685
>>150012665
Yes you fag
Anonymous No.150012700 >>150012753
>>150012638
>Original Ranma was animated as cheaply as possible
Wrong, the animation got worse but it had plenty of episodes with great direction and animation, have you even watched the show? Also just by being animated on cels means it looks better than all cartoons made after 2000.
Anonymous No.150012706 >>150023356 >>150036478
>>150012670
Stfu you stupid mongrel
Anonymous No.150012753 >>150012796
>>150012700
Only the first 20 episodes had effort put into them before it got canceled, and then revived under DEEN where it became seasonal rot and ended incomplete after a 160 episodes, you bet I watched it, and you would hate it too if you did watch all of it, it is a retarded piece of shit show with zero redeeming qualities and every character in it deserves a slow and painful death, except Ranma.
Anonymous No.150012758
>>150012670
Based angel cop poster. The Invincible aninated series is garbage, but the comic is pretty decent.
Anonymous No.150012760 >>150014789 >>150015945 >>150016813 >>150017144 >>150018721
>>150005866
>>150009595
Serious question: Would the original EPCOT concept have worked or would it have turned into something like corporate housing meets 1984 meets Gattaca?

I also made extensive research about the original EPCOT from an urban planning/architectural perspective and I think the design is flawed.
The outer residential areas look like a less cul-de-sac-y suburbia and the public transport people mover concept is underdeveloped.
Anonymous No.150012796
>>150012753
>Only the first 20 episodes had effort put into them
Nope some of the later ones still have some good sequences and the first 20 episodes alone are better than every modern western cartoon.
>and you would hate it too if you did watch all of it,
I've watched all of it and read the manga.
Anonymous No.150014721
>>150000731
lmao
Anonymous No.150014789 >>150017110
>>150012760
The actual problem is the people mover is overdesigned, you don't need 24/7 public transport for what's basically a few dozen houses each. Just have a large circular track that loops back into the center like a big figure 8.
Anonymous No.150015945 >>150021764
>>150012760
>Serious question: Would the original EPCOT concept have worked or would it have turned into something like corporate housing meets 1984 meets Gattaca?
It would never have worked. Walt was crossing streams- it was an exhibit but also a community. Well, what would've eventually started to happen is the community would become such- be a community, with its own wants and needs, which would've gone against Walt's wants and needs. Wasn't part of his plan that only those employed in the city centre would get to live there, since the whole point was it was a demonstration unit? Well what would've happened once you start having old people dying, new people maybe not getting or not wanting the jobs in the city, etc?
Anonymous No.150016813
>>150012760
I would've loved to have lived in Epcot like town.
Anonymous No.150017110
>>150014789

that may work....
Anonymous No.150017144 >>150017580
>>150012760
>Serious question: Would the original EPCOT concept have worked or would it have turned into something like corporate housing meets 1984 meets Gattaca?

The EPCOT concept dosent have space for injured people, retired people or people in between jobs.
It would only work if the company have all the houses and rent they to her workers.
Anonymous No.150017468
>>150008181
For educational purposes, Fords book is available on rumble. Decide for yourself.
Anonymous No.150017580
>>150017144
>It would only work if the company have all the houses and rent they to her workers.
Well, yes, that's the definition of corporate housing. Ever heard of "Fordlรขndia"?

The thing is, the moment the experiment becomes a living community it will inevitably go off the rails and against the plans of its creator.
And when you impose rules to maintain the status quo, it would become a corporate dictatorship.
There are similar concepts like EPCOT both past and present. But that is a rabbit hole.
Anonymous No.150018203 >>150022099
>>150012615
>Nope people would praise since it uses actual good colors and directing

Sure thing bud light.
Anonymous No.150018502
>>150003863

>"Token inbetweener"
Walt literally promoted him to the Story department.

>He was literally trained by Milt Kahl, and was one of the few animators that actually got along with him
>He basically had an animation/consulting role at every major studio since the 1960s
>He is also officially a Disney Legend

Find another animator to hate dude
Anonymous No.150018583
>>150004081

He'd also love A.I. (If used to make good entertainment and not slop)

He created Audio-Animatronics thinking that one day they could replace real actors.
Anonymous No.150018721 >>150019629
>>150012760
This would've worked for maybe a few months. The maintenance needs alone would've made this impossible to sustain for the amount of time Walt wanted.
Anonymous No.150019629
>>150018721
So does Disney have a tax policy to cover maintenance?
Anonymous No.150021549
Bump
Anonymous No.150021764 >>150021940 >>150023858 >>150025973
Barring a few roadbumps it would've worked. EPCOT was not impossible, just REALLY expensive to build and maintain. Years prior people thought Disney Land was impossible but Walt did it, people had doubts about EPCOT but nobody was willing to bet against Walt by this point.

>>150015945
Before people get the wrong idea, EPCOT was never meant to be some ideological utopia of the future. It was certainly not a Human Zoo that guests could see some idealized 1950's-esque utopian neighborhood.
Yes people would've lived in EPCOT but whether they lived there permanently was never finalized. (There was a retirement area planned but also there were plans for people to simply lease a property for a specific time and under specific rules.)

EPCOT was designed to be a playground for American industry. EPCOT would've been a testing ground for upcoming technology on a massive scale with real people testing the technology in ways no company could feasibly reproduce in a lab.

Examples:
Every home in EPCOT would've had a computer(s) and it's own network system before such technology was really feasible on a commercial scale. People of EPCOT would've had access to something similar to Usenet years before the general public.

Every home in EPCOT would've had the latest model of appliances before they were available commercially. (The idea being to test the technology in a more natural environment.)

This was the real purpose of EPCOT.
Anonymous No.150021940
>>150021764
Adding onto this EPCOT's main tourist spot would be the inner city and shopping center. The center of EPCOT would've been an eternal world's fair. (Fancy new technology being demonstrated while international cultural areas provided foreign food and entertainment.)
Anonymous No.150021979
>>150004439
Unironically this.
Anonymous No.150022008
>>150004373
The unions were trying to get his animators to join even though they didnt want to.
Anonymous No.150022039 >>150022530
>>150008442
It actually came from the Daily Worker, a commie rag. Smug libral types have been quoting it as gospel for decades by now.
Anonymous No.150022099 >>150022645
>>150018203
Look at how many threads praise cel era colors and wish they came back. Stop being delusional.
Anonymous No.150022365
>>150000690 (OP)
I think Walt would LOVE computer animation. The fact you can edit non-linearly, change the camera and perspective and essentially do a lot more things that wouldn't require redrawing everything.
I can imagine an 80 year old Walt doing a Wonderful World of Disney episode how the studio is using them and then "travel inside" a computer to see how they work. He'd segue it all into talking about their new movie Tron.
Anonymous No.150022530 >>150023672
>>150022039
According to Shamus Culhane, a former Disney animator, Walt was pretty progressive when it came to race and religion. He didn't like unions as did his brother Roy. All he really cared about was talent and work ethic. The guy who did the water effects in Pinocchio was Chinese. The black actor who played Uncle Remus had a lot support from Walt.

Still he was bit of a control freak. The some of the early animators when Disney was in Kansas quit. The names of animators have since made their mark in the industry. They were Freleng, Harman, and Ising.
Anonymous No.150022645 >>150022721
>>150022099
No dude, it does not matter how it looks but what its being portrayed.
Anonymous No.150022721 >>150022843
>>150022645
Yes it matter how it looks considering we have 10000000 threads about modern cartoons looking like garbage.
Anonymous No.150022843 >>150022963
>>150022721
Ranma is tells the story of a dude that turns into a woman.
Anonymous No.150022963 >>150023063
>>150022843
>is tells t
Learn english.
Anonymous No.150023063 >>150023250
>>150022963
I was redacting a different message, why you had to reply like that? You fucking coward.
Anonymous No.150023250 >>150023444
>>150023063
I forgive you this one time.
>why you had to reply like that?
Because I've already given you a response, I have nothing more to add. Fanservice+ cel coloring and directing would attract a fanbase made of oldfags that are not as tranny obsessed as the zoomers.
Anonymous No.150023329 >>150025910 >>150028123
People donโ€™t wanna admit it but Walt wouldโ€™ve been so fucking excited about AI. I donโ€™t even like AI but everything I know about Walt points to him absolutely buying into it.
Anonymous No.150023356 >>150026562
>>150012706
>got btfo so hard by CHADnime that he has to cope by namecalling others
Many such cases.
Anonymous No.150023444 >>150023522
>>150023250
Okay you lack empathy, so look at this. Let's say Ranma 1/2 released for the first time ever in this year. Do you believe that feminist writers and media critics would interpret the work as an allegory to transexualism and the fluidity of gender?
Anonymous No.150023522 >>150023590
>>150023444
>Okay you lack empathy, so look at this.
I don't think I lack empathy.
>Do you believe that feminist writers and media critics would interpret the work as an allegory to transexualism and the fluidity of gender?
They have already done this with the old one, yet most people on 4chan still prefer it to modern media.
Anonymous No.150023590 >>150023608
>>150023522
>They have already done this with the old one
>I did eat breakfast

Not what I asked.
Anonymous No.150023608 >>150023644
>>150023590
I was giving you an example oh that stuff doesn't affect the original one so I doubt it will affect the modern one. Anons would be too enthusiastic to have a cel animated series after 25 years to care about any of that.
Anonymous No.150023644 >>150023658
>>150023608
>I was giving you an example oh that stuff doesn't affect the original one so I doubt it will affect the modern one.

Not what I asked. I presented a hypothetical and you replied with what currently happened. You told me you had breakfast.
Anonymous No.150023658 >>150023740
>>150023644
Read the rest of my post to get your answer to your hypothetical. What I presented was just pattern recognition.
Anonymous No.150023672
>>150022530
>Still he was bit of a control freak. The some of the early animators when Disney was in Kansas quit. The names of animators have since made their mark in the industry. They were Freleng, Harman, and Ising.
Not to mention he pioneered animatronics as he saw it as a means to have actors who did not try to buck or rebel against art direction
Anonymous No.150023740 >>150023762
>>150023658
>They have already done this with the old one,

This is not a reply to my question.

In my hypothetical 1989's Ranma 1/2 never happened. The 1987 manga never happened. Why are you telling me "they did this with the old one" if it NEVER happened?

>yet most people on 4chan still prefer it to modern media.

And the point the hypothetical was trying to make fly past this statement.
Anonymous No.150023762 >>150023821
>>150023740
>This is not a reply to my question.
I mean this part
>Anons would be too enthusiastic to have a cel animated series after 25 years to care about any of that.
Anonymous No.150023821
>>150023762
I am addressing that part to point how the brains of certain people work. That's why I brought up that scenario.
Anonymous No.150023858 >>150027082
>>150021764
>EPCOT was never meant to be some ideological utopia of the future.
Yes, that's correct. But that doesn't mean that corporate policies won't clash with the needs and wants of actual people living there.

>EPCOT was designed to be a playground for American industry. EPCOT would've been a testing ground for upcoming technology on a massive scale with real people testing the technology in ways no company could feasibly reproduce in a lab.
With friendly sponsoring of Monsanto (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f--bHD8pDug), Philco-Ford (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XbEIMcxl04), and other American consumer companies.
Anonymous No.150025848
>>150000690 (OP)
He would murder Dana faggotrace
Anonymous No.150025853 >>150026228
>>150000731
jews are the reason good animation exists
seems weird he would hate them
Anonymous No.150025861
>>150000690 (OP)
He would go around calling furries degenerate anonymousely. Gets leaked he is walt, and porn of mickey getting fucked by studs skyrocket, hilarity ensues
Anonymous No.150025910 >>150026040
>>150023329
Yeah, heโ€™d be excited to corner the market on quality handmade cartoons, especially if he gets to outlive Miyazaki
Anonymous No.150025913
>>150004278
>kh still pops up
Sora is like some eldritch being that is a constant, jesus.
Anonymous No.150025973
>>150021764
>popularizing computers
>normalfags kinda just kill the 2000
golden era of the internet
>no fucking webcomic culture
Thanks god that didn't happen.
Anonymous No.150026040
>>150025910
Why would you believe that Walt Disney would prefer mediocre AI over the artistic talent of real humans?
I know he was tech savvy but that?
As generative AI works, it takes every training input and the prompt and outputs the literal average.
Generative AI can never be exceptional, groundbreaking, or creative as its basic function is entirely derivative.

And as you mentioned Miyazaki:
He once said in an interview, that animating movements needs intention.
You must feel that the character wants to do the action you are animating.
If you look at AI generated videos of characters they mostly walk or fiddle around aimlessly.
There is no intention behind it, no goal, or no "soul".
Anonymous No.150026228
>>150025853
None of Disney's Nine Old Men had Jewish heritage.
Anonymous No.150026562 >>150026573
>>150023356
Kys troon
Anonymous No.150026573 >>150027617
>>150026562
>still having a meltdown after all this time
Sorry but invincible will always be trash. Choose a better cartoon to worship.
Anonymous No.150027082 >>150027294
>>150023858
>corporate policies won't clash with the needs and wants of actual people living there
Elaborate on what exact "needs and wants" we're talking about here.
Anonymous No.150027294 >>150027436
>>150027082
OK, maybe you live 30+ years in EPCOT working for the mouse. You raise you're children there, who went there to school, and now you're going to be retired. Now the company comes and says, that you have to leave your house or apartment in one month because they need it for the next employee. What about that?
And this is just one example.
Anonymous No.150027436 >>150027484
>>150027294
I'd want more than a month's notice, ideally at least two. Otherwise, however, if I were living in company housing, I'd assume that this was going to eventually happen at some point. The timing might surprise me, but not the fact that it's happening.
Anonymous No.150027484 >>150027520 >>150027660
>>150027436
Then what if you could buy virtually everything you need in the main hub of EPCOT but only to the raised prices the day guests must pay without any employee discount?
And remember, something like Amazon or Uber is decades into the future.
Anonymous No.150027520 >>150027660
>>150027484
Or what if the company wants to monitor literally every step you take, because it's a test city and the technology and your interactions must need to be evaluated, so that you don't have even the slightest bit of privacy?
Anonymous No.150027617 >>150036478
>>150026573
I donโ€™t care about it fag
Anonymous No.150027660 >>150027788
>>150027484
It'd be extra incentive to immediately get moving on finding new housing.
>>150027520
Depends, was this mentioned as a possible thing when I was interviewed, or especially in the job description? Maybe my privacy just sells for a low price, but I could only imagine this being an issue if it's thrown on employees/residents by surprise.
Anonymous No.150027788 >>150032617
>>150027660
The thing is, that your personal interests doesn't need to be equal to the interests of the company you work for.
And if you're living in an environment that is totally controlled by that single company, from housing, traffic, work environment, and shopping, then it's almost guaranteed that you will eventually run in some type of conflict.
Anonymous No.150028123
>>150023329
When Disney was into making animation he would embrace AI for making animation but he need somebody like Ub Iwerks to best used out of it.
Anonymous No.150028959
>>150000690 (OP)
>Walt Disney
What a funny name. Do people unironically have this type of name?
Anonymous No.150030977 >>150031121
>>150000690 (OP)
Could everything have been prevented if he wasn't smoking more cigarettes?
Anonymous No.150031121
>>150030977
Disney smoke for the stress of working all day. He needed to smoke in order to function
Anonymous No.150032617
>>150027788
If I opt to work for a company where part of my compensation is room and board, I'd follow the rules they set and plan my life accordingly. I'm not seeing how this is a problem. You're aware that people can choose whether or not they want to apply for a job with a given employer or not, right?
Anonymous No.150033742
>>150003466
Interesting wording you put it.
Anonymous No.150034561 >>150034740
Frank Thomas said Walt would've loved CGI, and that was back in the 1980's when Pixar had only just made their first shorts.
Anonymous No.150034740
>>150034561
he stopped caring much for animation but he liked engineering, and the sheer angle of "oh wow computers can do this now?" would've likely attracted him, yes. For instance even something like the new snow physics used for Frozen would've probably grabbed him. He'd be the type to watch Moana and not care about the script and characters and instead focus on "that water though" then go back to planning Disneyworld Moon
Anonymous No.150036478
>>150012706
gtfo Iatinx
>>150027617
cared enough to reply