Thread 150003230

>hope is le new punk rock!!!
>but also it's okay to kill world leaders, fuck prosecuting criminals!
What am I supposed to take away from this fucking movie?

Whatever pisses you off the most OP

>>150003230 (OP)
punk rock has been about hoping for the better since its creation
its why oldpunks say its whiney.

>>150003230 (OP)
Hope is getting rid of people put into power that don't deserve that position.

Superman will definitely give her a stern lecture.

>>150003230 (OP)
I love that all these years later comics still nix the "no killing" rules for America's enemies.

>>150003230 (OP)
Are you retarded?

>>150003239
fpbp

>>150003239
This. Fpbp. Filtering Op and making him seethe is icing on the cake

>>150003230 (OP)
It's nice when a character is a good person that tries to do what is right and all, but I agree that letting irredeemable evil guys live is a bit of a tired trope, I hate seeing it being done excessively.

Although yeah, I think the 'Justice Gang' directly interfering with international politics, to the point of actually killing a world leader, would probably lead to the persecution and dissolvement of the group.

dropping despots from high altitude with no parachutes is always based

this is an apolitical, universal truth

>>150003288
Is he chained to the floor or something?

>>150003288
Remember when KGBeast was essentially one of the biggest threats against Batman, odd how far his reputation fell.

>>150003230 (OP)
According to St. Thomas Aquina, it isn't a sin to kill a tyrant.

>>150003230 (OP)
A better future requires removing undesirables today.

>>150003408
I think it's more than batman's barricading the one exit

>>150003438
But Ba'man closed it slowly. Why did he stand there and let himself get shut in?

>20 years ago
>this movie is about the good guys fighting the bad guys
>now
>what is X characters opinion on Isreal?

>>150003469
he's stupid

>>150003288
>In the later story, Batman: Year Three, Batman notes that he then contacted the police to pick up the subdued villain.
That's gay.

>>150003376
Why shouldn't superhumans just ignore the petty laws of inferior creatures and not just kill anyone they find lacking? Do you ask the ants where you should or shouldn't place your house?

>>150003288
When Batman finally faces the Beast in hand-to-hand combat, the Beast quickly gains the upper hand, at the time, proves himself better than Batman in both tactical planning and engagement. However, failing to realize that he had advantages over Batman in abilities, the Beast flees because he thinks Batman has contingencies based on the hero's reputation, loses his opportunity to kill Batman.
lol

>>150003244
>punk rock has been about hoping for the better since its creation
Lmao that's not even remotely true. The idea that punk is some kind of caring counterculture movement about helping people and protecting minorities is some bullshit tumblr made up.

>>150003495
To be fair, if said ant was going to kill a majority of the other ants in the colony (even after receiving MULTIPLE WARNINGS), you would want them gone too. Hell, I think the ants themselves would do it if you were too much of a chicken? Don't ignore the context.

>>150003230 (OP)
I am capable of enjoying idealism without becoming blind to the virtue of pragmatism, and I think it's good when media is mature enough to reflect that.

>>150003520
>dies to a trashcan with wheels

>>150003548
>The idea that punk is some kind of caring counterculture movement about helping people and protecting minorities is some bullshit tumblr made up.
no fucking sherlock. i said punk rock.

>>150003488
Literally had to retcon batman casually starving a man to death because they couldnt risk his no kill rule being challenged

>>150003482
Israel are the bad guys in the movie.

I shit my pants when I realized the guy playing Guy in the movie did the voice of Hal Jordon every time he appeared on robot chicken. Is he just a green lantern superfan?

>>150003288
But Boravia is America's greatest ally.

>>150003602
And it directly contradicts his monolouge.

>batman kills a guy rather than let him slip through the cracks
>batman never defeats him in combat because he's too good and too ruthless
Neat twists on the expected.

>>150003597
Can't separate punk from punk rock.

>>150003495
WHERE'S YOUR SECRET HAREM ANON

>>150003596
To be fair, someone wearing a lead vest and wielding a gun could probably kill Gamma Jack

>>150003239
OP BTFO

>>150003495
I thought they were building up to The Authority as one of the premier super-teams in the Gunniverse

This could be the foundations for that
>Captcha: HAWK2

>>150003376
This is actually addressed in the first episode of Peacemaker S2. One of the reasons the Justice Gang is instantly dismissive of Peacemaker in their interview is because of his history of killing, and his skillset is basically just being able to kill people well. They say they're trying to move as far away from that image as they can.

>>150003279
>Hawkgirl just makes bird noises at Superman until he throws an autistic hissy fit

>>150003495
Because they are heroes?
If you want this whole superhuman going evil thing, just watch The Boys.

A more in-depth response, even if they were to do such a thing, they know they can't fight an entire species. Even Superman would probably eventually find some trouble. Humans are quite resilient and resourceful, specially when things get tough.

>>150003230 (OP)
She literally says she's not Superman. How you feel about it is left up to you. What's important is that lives were saved. It's still far from Superman forming & leading the Justice League.

>>150003239
fpbp

>>150003239
Unfathomably based

>>150003230 (OP)
>le
>le
>le le le
You le get le no bitches

>>150003678
Depending on who we're talking about, some of them absolutely could take on the entire species. I'm just saying guys like Magneto aren't wrong when they say metahumans are superior.

>>150003239
this! so much this!

>>150003230 (OP)
>hope is le new punk rock!!!
>but also it's okay to kill world leaders
Anon thinks Punks would have a problem with either of these, fucking clownshoes.

>>150003230 (OP)
Her and Superman are different characters.
Glad I could clear that up for you!
Any other points of confusion?

OP thinks a genocidal war of aggression resulting in no deaths except the aggressor's head of state and some of the soldiers involved isn't hopeful.

>>150003495
When it comes to governance, might doesn't make right. Imagine a 12 foot tall retarded ogre with indestructible skin.
Alright. Is that your ideal president?
Just because someone is capable of killing huge amounts of people doesn't make them fit to be a leader.
It's actually retarded how there are people like you who think brute violence and the capability for mass murder gives someone the right to lead.
You've got the mentality of a slave, cocksucker. You're probably a Russian talking like that, lol.

Why do you think Hobie / Spider-Punk wears the shoes that he does

He fucking killed a cop

Punks have never been about making peace with bullies. Sure you'll get some nice guys like Clark. But for the most part, historically, if punks caught you being an Israeli style murderous Nazi they'd just break all your bones.

80s were a wild time to be alive.

>>150003239
I kneel

>>150003652
That's fair and probably a wise thing to do in most cases, but they did kill that guy in the movie, and an international politician at that...

Realistically, I think there'd be masses and masses of people complaining about it, and it'd certainly fuel the feeling of distrust between the normal human population and the superhumans. Even if the US government was sympathetic towards them for some reason, they'd still feel pressured to, if not imprison it's members, at the very least dissolve the group.

nigga idgaf abt marvel slop.

>>150003634
The space in the middle.

>>150003239
put me in the screenshot

>>150003239
FPBP Just Be Normal

>>150003596
A weaker version of that trashcan killed a guy who had the density of a black hole. Gamma Jack ain’t no slouch.

>>150003615
Nah he's just good for the role + friends with James gun.

>>150003952
It's realistic for government types to galaxy brain their way into a position that basically says governments should be allowed to do crimes and it's no fair for metas to stop them, I have a hard time believing much of the public would agree unless they were marvel civilians.

>>150003244
If that was the case, punk should be making a comeback in the UK now that it’s gone 1984. But it seems like they’d rather roll over and die than protest like they did back when things were 10x better.

>>150003230 (OP)
>Superman would probably arrest a woman for shoving her rapist off a building.
>Superman will most certainly do nothing about Hawkgirl just killing a foreign nation’s leader.
The unionization of superheroes was a mistake.

>>150003413
Bane basically replaced him as the Big, Burly, masked man with a BDSM theme

>>150003244
Punk rock was about nihilism and a rejection of intellectualism in rock music, nothing more nothing less. From the proto punk of Iggy Pop cutting himself with glass and singing about heroin, to the NY Dolls larping as trannies just to make people mad,and to Ramones singing about sniffing glue, TSOL singing about fucking corpses, and the Sex Pistols as an entirety

Once you get to hardcore in the 80s, sure, you have a bunch of proto sjws who dont do drugs and think old black guys are God, but it didn't start that way, nor is that even the public image of punk which is all still spikey hair, skulls, and anarchy symbols

>>150003230 (OP)
More world leaders need to go. Bunch of useless oldfarts doing nothing but enrich themselves while fucking the people over.

>>150003376
The issue is; who are they, you, or anyone else to decide what is rrredeemable?

>>150003952
The guy she killed was Putin/Netanyahu. Pretty sure the only way his death would be more approved by the public is if he also was a United Healthcare CEO on the side.

>>150003288
So was this supposed to be the BDSM sex scene but Bruce decided it was too much bondage and not enough discipline?

>>150004215
Putin/Netanyahu are beloved in their countries. Burgers are unaware that controlling the media and arresting detractors make wonders for a dictator's popularity

>>150003983
Clever, but you're still retarded for falling for the historical revisionism.

>>150003230 (OP)
Many people celebrated the killing because that world leader is clearly a stand-in for Bibi Netanyahu who most of the world, including many in his own country, despises

>>150004215
Yeah, >>150004346 said it.
Even the americans wouldn't all agree with such interventions either, although some certainly would. It would open grounds for them interfering with other countries as well, and the international community would be downright pissed. Some countries would probably put pressure on the UN or something to prohibit such a thing to ocurring ever again.

I know it's just a movie and it is not supposed to be taken so seriously and all, but it'd be a way, way more complicated topic, with much greater consequences and lashback than the movie has shown.

>>150003239
Rare case in /co/ of a FPBP

>>150003561
>>150004114
Punk is just a reactionary aesthetic. Nothing more, nothing less. You can't build a solid ideology on a counterculture that only works trying to being contrarians.

>>150003875
>Why do you think Hobie / Spider-Punk wears the shoes that he does
Because Chuck Taylors are notoriously popular in the punk scene for fashion? and the Spider-verse movie version has Red and white shoes? Which are the colors of Spider-Man when combined with blue?
>He fucking killed a cop
No. He killed the President of the United States.
and your twittard fanfic about blue shoe laces meaning killing a cop is entirely whitoid rhetoric about pinpointing criminals
>80s were a wild time to be alive.
You weren't alive to experience them so how would you know? Lol.

>>150004346
>beloved
*buckbroken by

>>150004744

>No. He killed the President of the United States.

Lol wut

>another politishit thread masquerading as a Superman thread
Mods should send these to /trash/ alongside South Park threads. No quality discussion happens there.

>>150004805

Osborn was the president...

He also had a Venom Simbione, so the punk-rock music threme work.

After that they give some series, but a fat queer so it's garbage.

>>150003230 (OP)
That hope and caring for others is punk rock.

>>150003230 (OP)
killing fascists has always been punk rock you poser.

>>150005087
Punks killed each other and themselves more often than they'd ever kill anyone outside of their scene. Stop believing punks were anything but drug-addicts with shitty music. They weren't noble artiste freedom fighters.

>>150005087
See >>150004114
You don't really know punk or its origins, which is the 70s

Punk was declared dead before the 80s, which is why 80s bands never were popular, they only gained "legacy" because of journos. DK and Black Flag never were household names or big draws, everyone knows Ramones and Sex Pistols

>>150005106

It's funny...because neo-nazis also kill themselves more offen...

>>150005144
The average Neo-Nazi is a fed trying to run a sting operation on other feds also posing as Neo-Nazis.

>>150003561
Sounds like you are a Man of Murder enjoyer, snyderpajeet

>>150005126
>DK and Black Flag never were household names or big draws
You overreached with this line. Like, holy fuck trying to downplay Dead Kennedys and Black Flag.

The only reason America doesn't kill the evil bad guys who kill innocent people is because they're either evil themselves or scared.
America needs to be like the Justice Gang. Evil world leaders need to be slaughtered NOW.

>>150005153
Dead internet theory but for all organized crime and terrorism. It's just feds stinging each other.

>>150005126
Black Flag, Misfits, DK, Operation Ivy, shit like that, that was like your favorite band's favorite band. The only punk acts making money were the Clash and Billy Idol. Ramones had a 22 year career in a van and Sex Pistols did not have legs. The peak of punk popularity was Green Day and Rancid and shit moving records in the 90s.

>>150003679
>Early in the movie superman makes a fuss about stopping the conflict because people were going to die.
>At the end of the movie the gang methodically massacres one side.
>Not a peep from Superman.
>Justice Gang were fully against joining the conflict or heck, the search for Superman even, but then show up at the conflict with no buildup or reason to.

Boy the movie is so much better written than Snyderslop. I'm so glad pedogunn is making these now.

>>150003862
Nah, it's a Mexican

>>150003239
Kek, GOTEEM

>>150003862
I'd vote for the ogre. He can do great things.

>>150003239
Stopped reading here, fippy bippy

>>150005200
>there is no difference between unarmed civilians and the soldiers in full battle rattle there to kill them.
>I have never before seen a movie where a character initially refuses a call to action before changing their mind at a pivotal moment.

>>150003230 (OP)
the system works up to a point at that point its either live with the monsters or end them

>>150003230 (OP)
>letting the irredeemable bad guy live is a boring trope

>>150004061
>But it seems like they’d rather roll over and die than protest like they did back when things were 10x better.

They can when they want to. They showed up by the thousands to mob that hotel where the government was harboring immigrant rapists, child molesters, and other criminals. Also sounds like they're ready to lynch that Prime Minister.

>>150005184
>America needs to be like the Justice Gang. Evil world leaders need to be slaughtered NOW
Easy their Mr. Cheney.

Why shouldn't the Hero kill the villain if the villain has been been proven to be demonstrably evil, irredeemable? To let them live is irresponsible, as they could escape and cause havoc and mayhem in the future. To seal them away is asking for trouble.
I'll tell you why.
Money.

Single lamest, most castrated culture that has ever existed
Note how you never hear a whistle from these so called "anarchists" until election season

>>150003230 (OP)
This is just "we are le party of empathy!!" bullshit in a new skin, anyone who buys it is an ignorant sub-human mongrel

>libs
>kill the villain when its a rich guy

>also libs
>punisher is a nazi for killing human traffickers because black/brown people do that they dindu nuffin they had a back upbringing

Psychotic behaviour

>>150005187
>The only punk acts making money were the Clash and Billy Idol
And that's exactly what they were,acts.Nothing more and certainly not the real thing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVlddw6e8vI

>>150003230 (OP)
I would die for Hawkgirl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlU53taGqno

>>150005252
There was no difference for superman. He went out of his way to not kill the soldiers when he stopped the initial assault.
You didn't watch the movie, I get it. Few seem to have watched it, being a flop and all.

>>150003230 (OP)
>it's okay to kill a world leader committing a genocide
>I am very angry with this take
hey bibi, having fun starving all those kids over there?

>>150003230 (OP)
Hope and killing politicians aren't mutually exclusive.

>>150003230 (OP)
If you have to break the law in order to save innocent lives, then that law is unjust and you are justified in breaking it.

>>150003230 (OP)
1. Genuinely hoping and working for a better world is vastly better than being a jaded cynical shithead. Call out bullshit when you see it.
2. Someone should really kill Netanyahu.

>>150005572
Yes. The Broavians are karmically punished for their persistence and participating in the elaborate plan to get superman out of the way by having to deal with a group of heroes that act with more brutality.

Perhaps they should not have continued planning a genocide after being told to stop. It's impossible to say whether this applies to any real world events in the last thirty years or so.

>>150003230 (OP)
damn she cute

>>150005414
Think of all the times a story ends with a villain ambiguously dead and then they pop up again down the line. Although it's more a limitation imposed by the CCA that worked itself into the DNA of the medium.

>>150004346
Russians are so dead inside nothing cN move them. They live shittier than they have in decades except for the ones with money. They wouldn't care if putin fell out of a window because he'd just be replaced by another one.

The most punk band of all time wasn't even a punk band. Just a bunch of alcoholic losers from Minnesota.

>In other continuities Cadmus, OMAC, and Waller seem like breaches of US government involvement in the meta human world. Make it clear it was paranoia initially rather than any major grounded fear.
>In the Gunn DCU the first movie of the universe has Hawkgirl execute a literal who leader US ally involved in a war against what is 100% a equally corrupt shitskin nation because everyone there looks poor as fuck while Green Lantern and Metamorpho destroy the army breaking US treaties without government consultation
>This is 100% going to make all other nations view the USA as not trust worthy at all>In fact it is 100% a international diplomatic incident and Boravia is going to hate America forever
>It ironically proves Luthors point about needing more leverage and control over meta humans
What did Gunn mean by this?

>>150005728
They’re doing it because they’re jaded shit heads. They believe through the most asinine mental gymnastics that being “hopeful” will spite whoever they’re currently up against ideologically. It’s the same kind of smug moralizing shit that people were doing in the 2010s just updated to seem more generalized. The people that say shit like this will still lament how the world is fucked and everything is terrible but they will put on a mask of being empathic and kind since that’s the image that they need to cultivate. And if anyone calls them out they will just write them off and push them as being a cynic or nihilist. Think about it, the people that claim to be beacons of hope always seem to have the same behavioral patterns, angsty, histrionic, melancholic, sarcastic, and irony poisoned so badly they need to add five layers to whatever they do not to go into withdrawals (read panic attack)

>>150003230 (OP)
Stop trying to get life lessons from comic book movies, for one. The movie literally has government agents drinking and going "hope you're happy the heroes are unilaterally doing what they want now." Just because something happens in a movie doesn't mean it's being argued to become real world policy.

Dipshit.

>>150003230 (OP)
>but also it's okay to kill world leaders, fuck prosecuting criminals!

Take it easy, it's just Hawkgirl.

>>150004095
>Superman would probably arrest a woman for shoving her rapist off a building.
Why do people go out of their way to make up shit to be angry at? What the fuck is this?

>>150005087
You have to be alive to be punk, therefore killing yourself isn't very punk.

You also have to be alive to be a nazi so you should help people not be nazis.

>>150003239
done in one

>>150005087
Define Nazi?

>>150006269
he didn't say nazi, pedophile

>>150006288
You said neither I was just seeing how honest you would be. Now define fascist.

>>150006337
Correct I said neither. And I don't do what pedophiles tell me to do.

>>150006154
No, not really.

>>150006154
Then people who don't believe in hope aren't jaded shitheads?

it is funny how her face looks the same as that copcam flying negro

>>150006493
Morrigan isn't black

>>150003611
Based

>>150003230 (OP)
She's cute as Wednesday.

>>150005313
brit here, we won't do shit

>>150006612
is it all brits or mostly just the english? honest question

>>150003230 (OP)
You lost, retard

>>150005053
Osbama

The film is deliberately dumb, and that's a plot setup. One of the things that annoyed me most about the film is that it doesn't stand on its own; everything is a setup for the next DCU project. I'm not going to argue about the film's politics; they're too dumb to take seriously.

>>150003230 (OP)
You don’t think the death of a corrupt, warmongering dictator is a hopeful message?

>Different super heroes have different philosophies on dealing with things

AIIEEEEE IM GOING INSANE

>>150003230 (OP)
Are people still trying to make Hopepunk a thing?

>>150003634
explain Steampunk as a genre then

>>150003230 (OP)
OP's pic is right. Sick of the same boring trope like how Batman lets his villains live. So gay and boring.

>>150003239
My man

I just want to point out that Superman does not actually have a no kill rule. He just doesn't want to start icing government officials because it's a bad look.

>>150003264
This. Exterminate the ruling class.

>>150006624
nta but it's mostly the English and Northern Ireland, Scotland doesn't have enough migrants to gavinise the topic, and none of the migrants want to live in Wales unless it's Cardiff

>>150007682
He has a no-kill rule. But he believes in “compassionate euthanasia.” Gunn verges on edgy stuff in this movie, and that's what made it more enjoyable for me. Because the movie often felt like an overlong TV show and a boring six-part story.

Not-enyahu deserves it

>>150003413
It's not odd, it's before wank got retarded and back when they understood that Batman was written to at least be somewhat human, and that enhanced guys like KGBeast and Deathstroke were serious personal threats to him.

>>150003239
Wait.. Someone here is Pissing?

>>150007682
He has a no kill rule against normal beings (including supervillains). He will attempt to eviscerate Gorgoth the Worldbreaker, embodiment of evil, without much fuss though

>>150003596
Ackshually only the V1 Omnidroid had wheels

Hawkgirl and X-23

oh i'm a punk rocker yes i am.

>>150003239
/thread

>>150007722
>nta
as in 'not the answer' to the question i'm asking?

Netanyahu deserves a bullet in the head, yes.

>>150007647
Well, you have a bunch of vague bullshit that's called "Victorian era" but it's actually a fucked up mix of Edwardian and Regency, and then you slap a bunch of brass gears on everyone's clothes, even though they don't do anything, nor make any sense, and then some redditors show up and start making awful music while pretending to be robots.

The script was written before the October 7th incident, it wasn't about Israel

>>150003230 (OP)
KAW!

>>150006624
scots and welsh are very woke
england has lots of complainers but few doers

>>150012011
Israel has been doing this shit for actual decades, that they managed to find time to commit more war crimes between when the script was written and when the movie released is a testament, largely to their genocidal industriousness.

>>150012253
Yeah but they're not supposed to acknowledge that, so why would they be getting mad at a script written prior to October 7th

>>150012011
It may not intentionally be about Israel-Gaza, but it fits well enough to trigger sheltered Western Zionists, which is still pretty based.

>>150005585
They made a big deal about Superman getting involved only for the Justice Gang to straight up kill dudes, involving themselves completely.

>>150003520
Dangerously based reference.
Incredibles is the greatest superhero and Pixar film, btw

>>150003239
The only correct response to bait

>>150003239
OP will never recover

>>150006481
They are, it’s part of what makes them jaded shit heads.

>>150006347
>Correct I said neither
So you admit that you were lying.
>And I don't do what pedophiles
Ad hominem isn’t going to change that you lied and don’t know what a fascist is.

>>150003230 (OP)
Superman said Hope is the new Punk Rock. Hawk Girl said she's not Superman. Therefore Hawk Girl isn't Punk Rock.

>>150004114
Punk was mostly just created to get you to buy some shitty torn up t-shirt for $1000. Sex Pistols exist because McLaren and Westwood just wanted to sell their fashion while being edgy.

>>150003239
F P B P

>>150003230 (OP)
Hey alright
Now post more cute Hawkgirl

>>150013710
>Hope is the new Punk Rock.
Actual Facebook mom shit.

>>150003230 (OP)
>>but also it's okay to kill world leaders, fuck prosecuting criminals!

Hawk girl isnt a good person in this. If batman was around he'd probably being having a shit. Not killing was part of why bats and sups were bros

>>150003230 (OP)
That Hawkgirl is a morally questionable alien from a warrior race of bird people.

>>150014992
hey, she might be a reincarnated ancient Egyptian, you don't know

>>150003659
>Hawkgirl just makes bird noises as Superman fucks her cloaca until she learns her lesson.
Fixed that for you

>>150015069
>You'll be going by Moner again by the time I'm done with you.
Jesus Christ, Raimi

James Gunn is a pedo btw

>>150015108
I thought you guys loved that

>>150003230 (OP)
Superman also tortured him with a cactus

>>150003239
Gentlemen, we got em

>>150003230 (OP)
That world leader was about to genocide a nation. This peruvian girl is a hero.

>>150009059
And that's why we love him

>>150012240
so scots and welsh are cool. that's what i though. england is mostly pedophiles

>>150009201
>>150009211
Who is the third girl?

>>150015907
Amanda Diaz, some instathot

>>150006269
Guy he doesn't like