Thread 150012772

Could be for kids or teenagers or adults .


My idea the majorities of Airbenders will wiped out but a number of them survived the comet and they were smart enough to go straight to the hilltop Mountain Earth Kingdom City with boomy in it or Frozen Venice or Ba Sing Se so people are less likely to believe Aang is the Avatar first.

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>>150012772 (OP)
Why the flying fuck does Katara have a katana

>>150015136
this. if anyone gets a katana it should be Sokka or Zuko. Katara could use cool disposable ice-swords if she really needs a blade

>>150015186
In retrospect, it is a blessing that Sokka didn't go Sacred Blacksmith with making the star metal sword a katana that could cut through regular swords.

Why?

>>150016130
For fun.

>>150012772 (OP)
I'm a real sucker for "Azula joins the Gaang" AUs. There was a fun old fic where she became Aang's firebending teacher and I've loved the idea ever since I encountered it.

>>150012772 (OP)
Well I always found weird the entirety of the Airbenders got killed in a single swoop, makes sense all the monks int he temple died Jedi style but aren't they called the air nomads I assume a handful would be in other places when the fire nation attacked. Makes sense if they instead are laying low either hidden in plain sight as earth nation citizens or living fuck away were nobody who can't fly can get them

>>150016496
I like to entertain the idea that Airbenders still exist in the Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation.

>surviving Air Nomads have children with EK and FN citizens
>descendants end up having Airbending, but due to fear of death, they're pressured into living as nonbenders
>secret airbenders become something of an urban legend among both demographics

It would be a much more tragic and interesting way of exploring how Aang tries to rebuild the Air Nomads compared to what they did in the comics.

>Aang discovers several "nonbenders" are Airbenders in the EK and FN, and tries to incorporate them into his rebuilding of the Air Nomads
>but the EK and FN people begin to fight and argue (fresh scars from the war, cultural differences, incompatible personalities and interests, etc) over what the new Air Nomads should be like
>Aang manages to have them reconcile and find a path that encompasses everyone's desires while keeping true to the spirit of the Air Nomads and what they valued

>>150016412
Object Lesson I think is what you refer to. Absolutely peak, I loved the writing style

>>150016801
Yep, that's it. It was cool precisely because it didn't change Azula at all. I got the sense that the writer was planning to reform her at some point, before it became unfinished, but for most of what we've got it's the same old Azula, and she's even conniving and scheming about how to break up the Gaang and twist them to her own purposes.

>>150015186
>this
IS SPARTA!

>>150015186
Because in the first series they alluded that using physical weapons can enhance bending. Like the earth bender using hammers against zuko and zuko fighting back with flaming swords, and angs staff , kiyoshi fans etc

>>150017516
I always did love the detail that Zuko's actually a pretty good swordfighter. He struggles with firebending throughout the show, but he never struggles with a blade in his hands.

>>150012772 (OP)
Reign of the Fire Lady Dowager, you're welcomr

>>150017560
How is that story these days? I confess I lost track of it over its hiatus, but apparently there's a bunch of chapters now, and Aang has shown up?

>>150017556
It annoys me that in a series where prodigys are made a big deal, the series kind of ignores that that Zuko is an all around beast in overall combat ability. prodigy swordsman trained by the goat Piandao, a master firebender taught by iroh (who replicated a secret technique on the first try against ozai) and taught the avatar, and a straight up beast in hand to hand (breaking chains and tables with his kicks, sending dudes flying with a casual palm)

>>150017556
Zuko should have been the flame demon slayer of avatar, his fire was meant to support his innate sword mastery. Although that would make him outshine sokka to much.

>>150017670
Well, what's interesting to me in light of that is that, as you say, Zuko can pretty much win every physical fight he gets into, but a lot of his problems CAN'T be physically fought. Zuko's greatest enemies are emotional and psychological: misplaced loyalties, betrayals and treacheries, misguided love and an obsession with honor and destiny. His struggles over those define his character.

Zuko is a great puncher who's faced with problems he can't punch away. Ironically this is exactly what Bryke said they wanted to do with Korra, so it's bitterly funny how well Zuko is pulled off in contrast to what a mess Korra's character is.

>>150017731
>Zuko is a great puncher who's faced with problems he can't punch away. Ironically this is exactly what Bryke said they wanted to do with Korra, so it's bitterly funny how well Zuko is pulled off in contrast to what a mess Korra's character is.
If only they had aaron and co to do that for them again KEK

>>150017711
>Although that would make him outshine sokka to much.
it was too late to prevent that since season 1. not making sokka a competant warrior fucked any chance of him not getting outstaged by team avatar.
>>150017644
>and Aang has shown up?
he shows up pretty early on, where did you drop off? it's particularly kino how azula uses ty lee being part airbender to sway him into joining her family

>At a convention last year
>One of the big national ones, in a major city
>Bored, waiting for panels; already got all the autographs I wanted
>Walk down artist alley
>The usual 'I drew a variant cover for a C-list comic once, buy a print for $200' bullshit
>Then I notice it
>Table with ATLA art behind
>Think it's one of the artists
>Huge stacks of books
>Okay, one of the writers
>Dude's in his early 20's, no way he's one of the show's writers
>Took a closer look at the art banners

This dude paid upwards of ~$400 to sell his Zutara fanfiction novel. He had to have paid hundreds more to have it printed in the six-foot tall stacks of softcovers all with the same name. The sonofabitch KNEW cameras were banned in the AA, so I couldn't take a picture of it, but it was a form of cringe I can't put into better words. I sincerely wondered if this guy was going to be/already was some kind of lolcow and I had a chance to get an artifact in the form of that book, but he was asking $30 for it...for a softcover. Get fucked.

>>150012772 (OP)
To me the Ideal AU's are ones where
>the total genocide of air nomads wasn't total, because in canon it's completely illogical
>Anything that ignores post ATLA material
>rewrites that aren't just thinly disguised retreads, see >>150017560
>anything where the actual war is shown, a plus if the military tactics are actually well thought out

>>150012772 (OP)
Someone recently brought up "a better life", complaining about it being yuri disguised as based kino, so i skimmed it. Honestly, it leans more towards Kya gravitating to Lu ten, who knocked her up. i'll keep tabs on it for now

The "Kyoshi doesn't destroy the 5th nation and they rise to become a major political force by Roku's time" AU that's shown up on SpaceBattles.

>>150018178
is it on AO3?

>>150018333
Not an actual fic yet, some guy posted something he found on Quora and then it ended up on Spacebattles being workshopped

>>150018550
I see, you got a link because the premise actually sounds good

>>150018571
let me go find it

Found it
https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/avatar-the-last-airbender-legend-of-korra-story-ideas-thread.226943/page-336

https://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/avatar-the-last-airbender-legend-of-korra-story-ideas-thread.226943/page-345

It's kind of spread out

>>150018671
Nice, thanks

>>150018671
>>150018790
yea so read the scattered messages... i'd read the shit out of a full fledged AU like this. roku being caught between two nations, the fn having an opponent that could put up a fight, the genocide doesn't happen because the air nomads effectively become a tipping point for whoever they side with. it writes itself

>>150015186
>Katara could use cool disposable ice-swords
There was actually concept art of that originally, it's in the official art book

>>150016982
I did think it was was funny how her plan was to essentially play matchmaker with Aang and Toph, and use the rift between Katara and Toph to bring Aang to her side. Incredibly based

>>150017985
>dude
>his
>Zutara fanfiction novel
That's the crazier part here. Zutarians are absolutely crazy enough to throw that enough money at their headcanon that sunk 18 years ago, but I always thought only women cared about it.

>>150012772 (OP)
How about an Avatar AU where the entirety of LoK is non-canon?

These atla threads go much better when you just ignore the shipfags baiting to derail the thread. keep the good AU's coming

>>150020676
That's every ATLA AU lol
>remembers when korrafags were getting but blasted that their fics were pushed off to their own category instead og being in the atla section

>>150012772 (OP)
I wish we'd gotten more on Zaheer and Cripple Korra, they could have based Zaheer off the Anarcho Syndicalist movement in the basque region. The problem is that ATLA writes might not know what anarchism is.

https://youtu.be/R7qT-C-0ajI?si=P5T7GZUBy1RAg2h1
https://youtu.be/A5xNGPtk7no?si=IcTHwYDQQoNiGM06

>>150015136
Katara is the Blue Spirit because the Fire Nation swapped roles with the Water Tribes, so it’s a single empire with the gender roles of the canon Northern tribe.

>>150012772 (OP)
>years later bro is still making threads advertising his fanfic
it's a shitty idea and you're a shitty person.

I never really think about using the characters who already went through their own arcs. I also never really think about the avatars.
I always think about there being a power vacuum in the Earth Kingdom causing a massive warlord period based on the Chinese civil war, but after the Fire Nation got kicked out. A "fifth", being chi
I know there's something like that in Korra but guess what I never fucking saw Korra and it doesn't look executed well

>>150021036
The political illiteracy is one of Korra's big problem. And making things too

>>150017556
>He struggles with firebending throughout the show,
He is easily on the top 10, maybe top 5 of the world.

>>150021068
I feel like this has been done a lot over the years but I've touched non of them. The water tribe being the expansive empire.

>>150012772 (OP)
Reminder that a solid 90% of ATLA fanfics can be boiled down to Azula pity slop. It’s been 20 years, Azula’s never getting a redemption arc, get over it.

>>150020602
What's crazy is you CARE that they have interests you disagree with. Unless this is a long-form bait to antagonize shippers with bait posts about obsession and other emotional manipulation stuff in which case me hah you got me well memed

This is the only atla fanfic that interested me but dead livejournals are annoying to navigate

>>150023197
I just wanted to post that pic desu

>>150012772 (OP)
Does anyone know the name of that AU where Lu Ten is still alive? An Anon dumped a bunch of the comic before and it was awesome

>>150023676
It's on deviant art:
>https://www.deviantart.com/noselfcontrol/art/Water-Tribe-001-69837313
dunno if it links to the continuation on her other account, so here's that page:
>https://www.deviantart.com/rufftoon/gallery

And speaking of, her current running one: The Man in the High Castle but The Last Airbender.

>>150024160
Is that Fire Lord Iroh, alive Lu-Ten, and unscarred Zuko? Baller.

>>150024160
>deviant
I know but it's also annoying to read comics on
>And speaking of, her current running one: The Man in the High Castle but The Last Airbender.
Sounds cool as fuck. Cool to see rufftoons still likes AtLA nearly 20 years later

>>150024493
Yes, it's pretty good

>>150024514
At least she link to the next page so you don't have to search through the gallery for the whole thing. Been meaning to just scrape the whole gallery so I can read it that way.

>>150020592
It's so much fun how Katara HAAAATES her, too. Exactly as it would happen if they ever had to share personal space in the show. Katara spends almost every waking moment in Azula's company in that fic seething. It's so in-character.

>>150015136
Because she's undercover obviously

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>>150012772 (OP)
Still has high hope for this

>>150026544
What?

>>150012772 (OP)
What do I expect from this version?

>>150017781
Both her and zuko had random ass super strength that nobody else demonstrated, I can see it

AU where the Air Nomads aren't wiped out and aren't a romanticized version of Tibet, but are instead more like actual Tibet (forcing most of the population into serfdom, brutal sectarian wars, expansionary imperialism). It'd be interesting to see a serf-holding, theocratic Air Empire serve as a counterpart to the modernizing Fire Nation, especially if they competed for control of the Earth Kingdom's lands.

>>150015136
>>150015186
>if anyone gets a katana it should be Sokka
my guess is Katara gets a more active combat role due to being a bender while Sokka is either relegated to backlines and plans attacks or gets cucked into non-bender conenctration camp

>>150028230
Unironically scene-for-scene rewrites of the original episodes, except with minor location and character swaps.

>>150015136
>the Katara Katana, if you will
You've answered your own question

>>150029691
What a criminal fucking waste of great potential.

>>150023757
Shadow Empire, you'll find it here: https://www.deviantart.com/rufftoon/gallery

>>150024772
That's very much the case with >>150017560 too. Katara spends her entire time in the fire nation absolutely seething until she just snaps.

>>150017731
>Well, what's interesting to me in light of that is that, as you say, Zuko can pretty much win every physical fight he gets into
Bro saying this when he gets effortlessly bodied by his fourteen year old baby sister in a physical altercation and still can't defeat her by the end, kek.

>>150030115
Is Zuko's not a bad fire bender by any means he's just not a prodigy by royalty standards which his sister seems to be not to mention dad's favoritism because of a bad because he was penalized to marry his wife make him not even seen Zuko as his actual son flew out most of Zuko life. Not to mention the two of them aren't that different in age that with superpowers used to be thinking the age difference is going to have that much of an effect.

>>150030115
NTA, but azula couldnt really get past zuko's defense since the boiling rock escape episode, the closest she was ever to 'boding' him was when she got blasted at the northern air temple, bending wise Azula bodied pretty much anyone yet I believe that anons above were discussing how Zuko is supossed to be a well-rounded fighter in all areas.

I believe the live action is pushing for Azula to also be competent with weapons excluding her bending because of that scene where she's practicing archery, which pretty much fucks up her whole background

>>150023162
>that a solid 90% of ATLA fanfics can be boiled down to Azula pity slop.
well yeah, she's kind-off a fan favorite

>>150030933
Two years of additional growth + being male should allow him to deck her in one punch, lmao.

>>150030936
Watch Azula and Zuko's first fight on her ship. She's physically toying with him, using no firebending at all until the end. She even grab's the nigga's wrist at one point and he's too weak to do anything about it.

>>150031041
Not with Supernatural powers and his dad pushing him down while winning the zoo up every chance he can while they were just young children include and encourage in Azure to psychologically torment him not to mention he defeats grown adults multiple times many of them who are Benders themselves.Not to mention I think a lot of his problems fighting his sister is more psychological than inability.

>>150023162
That's because the Fire Nation, and especially Azula, did nothing wrong. Zuko was a filthy quisling to foreign interests.

>>150012772 (OP)
What if that's so Avatar had actual one-on-one slavery like some characters are actually slaves to others like tops family has a bunch of slaves at their house one of who helps her get out at night and be the Blind Bandit and Azula has a strange number of female slaves the only name one being Ty Lee .

>>150031131
Accusing the side with Imperial Japan being its basis of having a quisling when Prince because he has a conscience
Does a difference between doing stuff because you selling out your country to foreigners and having a conscience when your country was clearly losing it since before you were born not like calling anyone who went against Hitler in Germany a traitor.

>>150031240
If your nation is poised to rule the world with zero downside for it and you decide to sell out every single man and woman who ever gave their lives for its cause an force its citizens to be tax cattle for reparations to people too incompetent to defend themselves because "what about the heckin poor foreign peasants abloo bloo bloo" you're a quisling. Zuko's duty was to the Fire Nation.

>>150031333
>If your nation is poised to rule the world with zero downside
Slavery large scale pollution people in concentration camps that was not going on in the cartoon.

>>150031381
Yeah, the downside is to other people who hate the Fire Nation, not them. That's not a problem at all, except insofar as extermination would have been a far better way to deal with enemy combatants. Every time they spared some prisoner's life it came back to bite them.

>>150031102
Pure cope. He was just inferior and remained so to the end.

>>150031450
Potential nationalist war criminal right here.

>>150031041
>fight at the ship
that was kind-off his 1.0 version and I am not sure if I recall well, but he might have been on his starvation arc already as well.
in S2 Azula is precise and knows how to use her enviroment, that's why Zuko makes a statement by bitching her off the zeo that she's slipping after the boiling rock
Once Zuko started making re-adjustments, Azula struggled more and more with him, it even comes off as uncanny that he closes the gap in such an ammount short of time considering she's supossed to be the prodigy

>>150031532
The only crime in war is losing.

>>150031574
Bruh he'd been chilling out at a spa for a while before fighting Azula. The whole thing is right here, you can watch yourself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC9W9XluhMY

>>150012772 (OP)
Haven't finished it yet (and honestly, with where and when I left off, it might be better for me to restart) but Traitors Face is a really good AU, and it's not just because I'm a total Maifag who'll read anything with her as the focus, but it actually has interesting worldbuilding and did really good as selling what a post-second Sozin's Comet scorching would look like (and ngl, even if it ends up being decent or even good, I get the feeling that TF is still gonna be a better depiction of a borderline post-apocalypse version of the Avatar world than Seven Havens)

>>150028797
I dont think it even needs to be an AU, you could easily make this scenario with air nomad supremacists popping out a few centuries after aang's journey when they're back to being a bit more stable

>>150012772 (OP)
You know what I would like to see in a fanfiction about young Azula and Zuko I would like to see the horrible father got kicked out of the palace for attempting to take Iroh place when his kid died and a bunch of the Inner Circle of like-minded people Ozai used to hang out with for his own political basis find that Zuko is entering a young Firebender tournament with a number their own kids and because of Ozai down playing his son's ability they are expecting him to get his ass beat but they quickly realize that his own father didn't even understand that his son was actually good for his age and not a failure as a Firebender.

>>150031698
>zuko
>chilling
I cant watch that rn but if I recall correctly this was the scene where he and iroh get ambushed and he uses his foot to break his shackles

>>150031962
That was last season, bro. You're misremembering completely.

>>150032031
no, he still had the ponytail for the scene I am thinking of.

>>150032212
The scene you're thinking of is this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFvbfa4mglk It's from season one. Zuko vs Azula is from season two.

>>150029691
>>150029928
Ehh, if I recall thats mostly the case for book 1 and early book 2, the series becomes a lot more unique, especially after Aang reveals he is from a parallel universe to everyone in book 2, though I havent read past the midway point of book 2, when they reach the temple of the first earthbender avatar I believe, so I cant tell whether the series kept being completely original from that point onward, or did it still end up lazily remaking episodes from the original series with pallet swaps like early on.

But book 1 is indeed 80-90% pallet swaps, especially the finale which invents bullshit nonsense where the 2 dragons from Firebending masters are suddenly the spirits who give firebenders life and the ability to bend.

>>150024160
Why she hasn't been giving an ATLA comic deal and a sack of money for her troubles still baffles me.

>>150032353
Aight, my bad, I must have mixed a few scenes up in my head
though I still dont understand why did you mention S3 out of nowhere
>>150032486
sokka and katara are still relatively close in this au, but yeah, it's still kinda ass.

>>150032758
>though I still dont understand why did you mention S3 out of nowhere
The only time I mentioned that was when I said Zuko was still too weak to beat Azula in the finale.

>>150031725
Seconded. Traitor’s Face is underrated.

>>150033109
>>150032031
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>>150031183
how are tyzula shippers so confidently retarded

>>150012772 (OP)
Read the fanfic it was based on, it was pretty good
https://www.fanfiction.net/s/3952155/1/Distorted-Reality

>>150033306
We just need more Maiaang AUs in general, desu

>>150034371
As Maang's strongest soldier, I absolutely love the pairing, but I've struggled to produce content with them because I can't figure out how to get Katara out of the way without screwing up the entire continuity of ATLA.

I don't think Kataang is a very GOOD romance, because I think Aang and Katara don't have a lot of genuine romantic chemistry. However, despite not being good, Kataang IS a very WELL-DEVELOPED romance. The show sets Aang and Katara on a collision course, romantically, right from the first episode. They are THE main couple and a lot of the narrative thrust of ATLA is spent on steering them to get together.

It's hard to fuck with that, at least not without a lot of characters suddenly getting very OOC. You could make Katara more of a bitch, but she's not THAT much of a bitch, not really. You could make Aang not connect with her as much, but that doesn't work, not really.

You could, I guess, do Zutara, and have Maang be the fallback option for both Aang and Mai. But that opens the Zutara Pandora's Box and that's got troubles of its own.

It's just a mess to work out logistically while still keeping everybody in-character, which I always like to do in my fan content. Which is a shame, because, like I said, I absolutely love the pairing. I think they're super cute together.

>>150031725
How can one be a Maifag? What is there to like in that character?

>avatar thread starts out with some interesting AU ideas/recommendations
>descends to shipfagging and powerscale faggotry
Many such cases. Some of you really cant help yourselves, and then wonder why we haven't had an avatar thread in months.

>>150034717
The big key, I think, is separation
If we're looking strictly at canon compliant/complimenting Aus that don't change much besides shuffling the pieces a bit, then the big way to completely remove or at least limit the effects of Kataang without going too OOC (because there's always some OOC in fanfiction and AUs, let's not kid ourselves) is to keep them separated for long stretches of time, especially early on before Aang's crush can properly begin to develop beyond "this girl is pretty"
Traitors Face did it pretty nicely by not even having her be present for a good chunk of the early story, and by the time she did show up (whilst in the midst of recovering from something horrible mind you) Aang was already pretty infatuated with Mai
In an Au where you still want Katara to accidentally awaken Aang, then you can use other excuses to find a way to keep them separate
An example is the Au I've been off and on developing in my mind, where a smaller FN scouting boat is nearby, when it happens, and causes the siblings to hesitate getting closer, leaving Mai as the one who's arms Aang wakes up in
There's plenty other ways to justify separation aside from them immediately fleeing the scene or keeping distance. They could be split up by some event or decision
Once the reason and duration of the separation is figured out, it should be similarly easy to justify it going forward

>>150034999
I mean fucking look at her!
Also I find her personality and general responses to the world around her interesting, especially in comparison to those around her
Also helps that she's responsible for one of the top 5, if not top 3 best moments in the entire series at the Boiling Rock

>>150033579
Do you not comprehend that "last season" in this context means "the season prior"?

>>150035350
She looks hideous in those tights with a long skirt.

>>150016075
Acshually, a katana made of meteor iron wouldn't be any better than any other sword made of meteor iron.
This is because katana were made in a way that allowed ancient Japanese blacksmiths to get the most out of their crappy locally available iron.

>>150012772 (OP)
ngl but AU evil Katara looks really attractive.

>>150033109
Dominating her at bed probably counts as a battle from her perspective, B.

>>150036037
If Zuko had the balls to do that he would have been out there enjoying some war rape the whole time.

>>150030790
lol saved

>>150036085
>staining the pure bloodline
restrain yourself, fag

I don't need to see characters who already got an arc get butchered, and I don't need someone's OC as the Avatar
Didn't the writer of the Kyoshi books say he wanted to writer a Band of Brothers/Clone Wars style book about Fire Nation or Earth Kingdom soldiers? That's something I'd like to see.

>>150036264
It's not possible for a man to do that. Only a woman accepting foreign seed can do so. Women of lesser nations exist to provide relief for their superiors.

>>150028797
I think about that often.
I think the confirmation that every air nomad was an airbender is pretty dumb, and I imagine a really religious and theocratic society like them would probably treat non-airbending nomads like shit, like servitude to monks in real life Tibet back in the day.

>>150012772 (OP)
That reminds me of a fanfic I read where Ursa is swapped with Kya in a accident, then Ozai marries Kya and Ursa is with Hakoda.
Does anyone know the name?

>>150036318
The nature of the setting constrains it. It's too small, and the Avatar is too OP. They either have to be out of the picture entirely for whatever reason or they completely dominate the story. You can't have a fun war if some fag comes along and threatens you with godmode every time you try.

There was this AU I read that had the whole "Evil Water Tribe" but the Gaang consisted of Azula, Yue, Mai, Ty lee, Zuko, Aang and Sokka. It was surprisingly really well written and in-character, shame it was abandoned tho. I liked Yue and Azula's dynamic in it.

>>150036576
Azula x Yue is a rare pairing for fanfics, but I love to see it.

>>150036420
Realistically the Avatar should get assassinated a lot when they piss on the wrong guy's cornflakes. Gigabending doesn't protect them from getting jumped or Sheev'd in their sleep. One little detail I liked about >>150017560
is that it was mentioned that that had actually happened several times.

>>150036420
>The nature of the setting constrains it. It's too small,
I never understand this complaint at all and I think it's only a problem of the person's imagination. Or they want to do something that probably shouldn't have been in the setting, I have no idea. There's a lot of stuff on the map we've seen, enough stuff to work with but enough empty places to fill in, that's the thing with avatar lore in general.
>You can't have a fun war if some fag comes along and threatens you with godmode every time you try.
There's a whole century of war with no avatar in sight, an invading industrialized empire and huge continent wide kingdom with earth powers constantly going back and forth for decades, and I'm pretty sure that's the time period that the author wanted to place it in.
And avatars are notable for fucking up and not being perfect. Kyoshi lived for over 200 years and her time period still involved a massive war in the earth kingdom that she only stopped at the tail end of it and for creating a secret police to stop a rebellion. And somehow that's still considered brutal for recent avatar standards.
The books only follow her in her youth before any of that. A lot of avatars start off as young and stupid and having to clean up shit.
Feeling "constraint" is a skill issue.

>>150036682
Yue/Suki is gold

>>150020676
I think I'd prefer an AU for Korra instead of ATLA. ATLA is good and I wouldn't mind more of it but fixing Korra seems like a better use of time and recourses and could fix the franchise as a whole.

>>150036721
Gigabending also isn't a life saver either because it's not the easiest thing to control, especially someone young

>>150036576
That sounds like an an absurdly OP gaang. How was there meant to be a challenge?

>>150036779
I prefer Korra never existing

>>150028797
You don't need to go that far to make the Air Nomads flawed, an extremely obvious flaw in their culture was canon and glossed over by both the show and the fandom. What I'm referring to is how the Air Nomads didn't care or respect parenthood and nuclear families at all. If Aang knows about his mother or father he certainly expresses zero interest in them. In their culture sons are taken from their mothers at a young age and daughters wouldn't have had much contact with their fathers either. Maybe Air Noman women exclusively had children with foreigners that were never gonna be in the picture but it is weird and you can easily present it as being something that caused people distress.

>>150036840
I think it could be possible to make Korra good with some substantial changes

>>150028797
I prefer the idea that they had a "Raiding Mongol Horde" past where they were fucking brutal, from which they decided to reform into strict pacifism as a form of "never again" penance

>>150036770
>I never understand this complaint at all and I think it's only a problem of the person's imagination
There aren't enough political entities for drama to happen regularly. Just four nations, of which only two have meaningful numbers.

Also, map-wise, the gaang runs back and forth between the Fire Nation and Ba Sing Se, opposite ends of the map. several times in less than three days. Ozai thinks he can burn the entire continent in a few hours. Physically, the world has to be absurdly tiny.

>And avatars are notable for fucking up and not being perfect. Kyoshi lived for over 200 years and her time period still involved a massive war in the earth kingdom that she only stopped at the tail end of it and for creating a secret police to stop a rebellion.
That whole premise relies entirely on Kyoshi not walking up to Chin, telling him to stop or she kills him and his entire army with the Avatar State. Same thing with the Earth King. She could kill any number of people at any time with zero ability to fight back, so the only way a war can happen is if she just decides not to do anything for no reason. "Stop fighting or I fuckin kill you all" from a demigod is basically impossible to write around.

>>150036815
Aang is still a underskilled little goober and Katara is a princess with allies.

>>150020676
At this point I am forced to assume that whatever they replaced LoK with would be just as bad if not worse.

speaking of AUs and strange crossovers, here, have an ATLA/Stargate SG1 fic.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/7679074/1/The-Dragon-King-s-Temple

it's cheesy, but in a fun way, at least in my opinion

>>150036899
It would be really easy to paint them as baby-snatchers, because what happens when a mama gets parenting instincts and doesn't want to give up the baby? What happens if a fling on their travels results in an airbending kid the other partner wants to raise in a conventional family for their nation?

>>150036934
they could always expand the map by introducing different continents/cultures. You have China, Tibet, Japan and the Inuit but there are more cultures you could bring in from new nations:
>India
already hinted at with Pakku
>Indonesia
>Mongolia
>Korea
maybe do something more exotic like Uzbekistan or other Eastern European countries

>>150037072
please don't, Warcraft kept popping continents and missing cultures for decades and it destroyed the world's lore among others things

>>150037072
Earthbending mongols who controlled stone arrowheads would be cool.

>>150037119
OK if not that then maybe explore the Spirit World more? That would have been my idea to 'fix' Korra. Retcon 99% of everything from Korra and have the story be about her getting lost in the Spirit World and trying to get back home.

>>150037199
Airbending suits Mongols more. The reason Mongols were so successful is because the open plains of the steppes meant there were no natural defenses against them. The oppenness of the environment is key to Mongol culture and history, if you have them earthbending their environment to create natural fortifications they cease to be Mongols.

>>150037072

Yeah but... Would we have new elements to? Or different martial arts made by other Benders?

Like, Actual Kung Fu Earth Bending as oposed to Bagua Earth Bending from the EArth Kingdom

>>150036918
I always felt like Korra underwent substantial rewrites where different versions of her were combined into the version we got, and that is why her story feels like it doesn't mesh well. For example: Korra's attitude doesn't at all match her upbringing. She was raised since she was a toddler by an ascetic group of bending masters who have focused on guiding her development as the Avatar and her maturation into adulthood.

But you'd never know that Korra was raised by elderly mystics from the way she behaves. She doesn't have any of the mannerisms of the people who raised her, and is a confrontational and violent person in general. Which is bizarre because I cannot imagine ANY of her teachers and caregivers in the White Lotus would've tolerated that behavior in her at all and would have taught her discipline and manners at a bare minimum. She was a student of Katara's for a decade. Do you think Katara as an old woman was any less prim than she was as a teenager? That she'd tolerate sass, shirking, or temper tantrums from a southern water tribe girl who ought to know better? It doesn't add up.

Rather than rewrite Korra's personality to match her backstory I think it makes more sense to rewrite her backstory to fit her personality. Namely: I think Korra was at some point designed as being born in Republic City, and grew up in the slums. This means Mako and Bolin can be friends she knew from earlier in life, that her interest in Pro Bending is more significant since it's a means of getting out of the slums for her, it gives her a much easier way to hook into Republic City's criminal element and the plot lines connected to that instead of being a total outsider, and it also I think explains her inability to reach the spirit realm. She's too rooted in worldly concerns, pursuit of money, fame, status, etc, and the day-to-day struggle of growing up poor in a bad environment.

>>150037285
you're making too much sense for my liking

>>150037247
They'd have to be a lot less organized than the Mongols under Genghis for it to fit them. Just anarchical, opportunistic raiding bands.

>>150036934
>There aren't enough political entities for drama to happen regularly. Just four nations, of which only two have meaningful numbers.
Four nations.
The Earth Kingdom. Which has multiple smaller kingdoms within it, wandering tribes with rivalries and historical tensions like the Great Divide two, sandbending bandits in the desert, Fire Nation colonies, air temples, decedents of the Water Tribe in the swamps, Kyoshi Island with its own teenage girl police force and a culture that's way more Ainu and Japanese than people realize, Ba Sing Se is the size of a whole country on its own. There's a lot to do with the Earth Kingdom alone.
There's two Water Tribes(not counting the swamp guys), and I refuse to believe there's only one fucking village each on both poles. There's a lot you can do with the water tribe alone.
The Fire Nation has a lost civilization within its jungles.
Even air temples, we discussed the Tibetan influence itt and each temple is based on different buddhist temples throughout Asia
Four nations is just a shorthand, the world has a bunch of smaller shit inside it, and even with the time limit Korra gives us(10,000 years), that's a lot to work with
Again, I massively disagree with you and everyone it says this.
>That whole premise relies entirely on Kyoshi not walking up to Chin, telling him to stop or she kills him and his entire army with the Avatar State. Same thing with the Earth King. She could kill any number of people at any time with zero ability to fight back, so the only way a war can happen is if she just decides not to do anything for no reason. "Stop fighting or I fuckin kill you all" from a demigod is basically impossible to write around.
We have no real idea what led up to that confrontation and the fact that Chin manage to conquer enough of an entire continent showcases that Kyoshi didn't that, and that this world still has conflicts, and yet she's still considered exceptionally brutal.

>>150036778
Now that is a rare-ass ship! Do they just bond over their memories of Sokka usually?

>>150037072
>they could always expand the map by introducing different continents/cultures.
You don't need to do that at all. Or at least not the typical fantasy world/Pokemon style of "holy moly a whole new massive continent that's been right across the river this whole time" or something.
Kyoshi has showed us that a great Avatar is powerful enough to make a whole new island. I'm sure the map has changed a lot over the course of thousands of years, and not just from Avatars, but possible if you got massive amounts of benders for whatever reason. Even in world, you have things like Tenochtitlan being a random island in a lake, turned into a massive island city in a like, and then 90% of it getting drained to Mexico City on it, all of this took place in a timeline of less than 500 years from the 14th to 19th century.
>You have China, Tibet, Japan and the Inuit
That's the usual way people describe them but I really people know they're more than just that. Japan is also Southeast Asia like Thailand, and has some different Chinese dynasties thrown into it like the Earth Kingdom does
And the Water Tribes also have different Asian and Polynesian, I always think about throwing Haida and Tlingit stuff into it too
>>Korea
We've seen one girl with a hanbok, and others with ones in Korra, so they definitely do exist.

>>150036324
>azula
>being that fond of sharing
honest i'd keep on shitposting zucest but I dont want the thread to get derailed again

>>150037573
>Four nations is just a shorthand, the world has a bunch of smaller shit inside it, and even with the time limit Korra gives us(10,000 years), that's a lot to work with
It's too confined even for the people that built it. That's why they blew it up.

>We have no real idea what led up to that confrontation and the fact that Chin manage to conquer enough of an entire continent showcases that Kyoshi didn't that, and that this world still has conflicts, and yet she's still considered exceptionally brutal.
But she could, at any time, and there's nothing anybody could do about it. That squelches potential for conflict unless she's just sitting around gooning.

>>150037903
>It's too confined even for the people that built it. That's why they blew it up.
Post-AtLA Avatar stuff falls into the trap of taking "Fire Nation=Japan" way too fucking literally so I can only put so much weight into what they think. They also constantly made Korra and the world more westernized, when learning a bit of history and the inspirations of this setting is enough to give you a lot of ideas
>But she could, at any time, and there's nothing anybody could do about it.
But she didn't, it got bad enough until the last moment. And as a previous post states, you can still fucking kill an Avatar in their sleep
>That squelches potential for conflict
The whole conflict of the original show stems from Sozin being willing to hunt down and murder the Avatar when he would've been a child, and went on to hunt down any and all waterbenders in case the avatar was a toddler there. If the Avatar state is what someone is concerned with, we've seen the show deal with it before
>unless she's just sitting around gooning.
Spirit World shenanigans might as well be that
It's said that Kyoshi's era got so bad because Kurak spent most of his life in the spirit world and ignored the physical world

>>150015136
because weebs think katanas are cool, even though they get mogged by european swords everytime.

>>150038080
There wouldn't be any European swords in this setting anyway

>>150038066
>Post-AtLA Avatar stuff falls into the trap of taking "Fire Nation=Japan" way too fucking literally so I can only put so much weight into what they think. They also constantly made Korra and the world more westernized, when learning a bit of history and the inspirations of this setting is enough to give you a lot of ideas
That part is true.

>But she didn't, it got bad enough until the last moment.
Again, though, it's pure disinterest, not inability. The conflicts can't actually be meaningful because if she felt like stopping it it would take like ten minutes, minus travel time.

>And as a previous post states, you can still fucking kill an Avatar in their sleep
Not in a kids show you can't lmao.

>The whole conflict of the original show stems from Sozin being willing to hunt down and murder the Avatar when he would've been a child, and went on to hunt down any and all waterbenders in case the avatar was a toddler there
They didn't attack the NWT for like eighty years. They weren't looking for the Avatar among waterbenders.

>Spirit World shenanigans might as well be that
Too bad they ruined it by making the spirits cutesy pokemon instead of wholly alien representatives of places, concepts, and the natural world.

>>150012772 (OP)
>another water tribe fire nation role swap AU
>Katara retains zero personality traits from the show, just irredeemably evil for some reason

>>150028797
In this AU. Aangs kindness and caring attitude turns out to be the exception among Air nomads

>>150012772 (OP)
>Instead of the Fire Nation trying to take over the world it was the Water Tribes
So what's the replacement for Sozin's comet in this AU?

>>150037704
Sokka doesn't factor into it. It's more like Yue is the princess and they often put Suki as her bodyguard. it's pretty damned hot. Zuki is also hot though.

>>150034371
>>150034717
Based

>>150038518
Evil!Katara works best when she's either showing her own darker traits (vengefulness, self-righteous stubbornness) or those of the Water Tribe (community and family becoming outright tribalism where the outsider literally isn't considered human) in some way. She doesn't work as replacement Azula.

>>150038565
Blood Moon?

>>150038494
>it's pure disinterest, not inability
We don't know this
We don't know if there was training to build up to this moment, if there were spirit shenanigans, if there was political shit in the background, or what
>Not in a kids show you can't lmao.
You don't have to show blood and gore to show assassinations or genocide in this franchise
Also we're talking about AU's and fanfics itt so not everyone is thinking about what Nick would allow, and even then I didn't watch the live action Netflix version but they do show a guy being burned alive
>They weren't looking for the Avatar among waterbenders.
They would do routine raids on the Southern Water Tribe and kidnap or just kill waterbenders. The old bloodbending bitch says as much and she was kidnapped and kept imprisoned, and it's why Katara is the only waterbender down there, it's why the SWT is so desolate because they've been continually fucked over the years. The Northern Water Tribe was just seen as too well defended to go against until book 1.
It's like saying they didn't care about Ba Singe Se just because it took book 2 to conquer it.
>Too bad they ruined it by making the spirits cutesy pokemon instead of wholly alien representatives of places, concepts, and the natural world.
I agree.

>>150036576
What was it called?

>>150034717
>you could do zutara and have maang be the fallback option
best bros share everything, even their bitches

>>150039021
>We don't know if there was training to build up to this moment, if there were spirit shenanigans, if there was political shit in the background, or what
You can't have political shit when one party can kill the other party at any moment, appoint his cousin or whoever king by divine right, and ride off into the sunset. Sozin can't politic against Roku..

>They would do routine raids on the Southern Water Tribe and kidnap or just kill waterbenders.
Yeah, but they knew the Avatar was an airbender. If they thought he might be water they would have gone after the NWT much sooner, because that's where most of the waterbending babies are.

>>150016412
I'm writing one right now, I was on a long enough hiatus and have nothing new to show yet so I won't shill it by name, but the basic plot is that Iroh conquers Ba Sing Se and so Azula starts out hunting the avatar due to court politics. I try to go into Chinese and Japanese 20th century political autism and really try to make something out of the setting past just it being a pretext for character drama.

Also, can any other fic writers tell me how to get over hating what you write? I read Midnight's children and War and Turpentine which have to be some of the most beautiful books I have ever read. Buta now all my prose feels like shit by comparison it's been a struggle for months now.

>>150039159
>You can't have political shit when one party can kill the other party at any moment, appoint his cousin or whoever king by divine right, and ride off into the sunset.
That implies every avatar is good at their job and perfect or solves everything with force, or that everyone in the world will take them seriously. There's also always a period where no one knows who the avatar is because he's still a kid or not trained.
>Sozin can't politic against Roku..
Sozin just killed Roku. More accurately, left him to rot. but still. Sozin still tried to convinced Roku about fire nation supremacy and the fire man's burden. Kyoshi also founded a secret police because she didn't take the earth king seriously.
>Yeah, but they knew the Avatar was an airbender.
They already genocided the air nomads and were hunting down any survivor. If they killed the Avatar, they knew he would've reincarnated into the water tribes, so they were playing it safe.
It's why they went after the air nomads in the first place, because Roku dying meant that the next avatar would've been an air nomad, and Sozin needed to build up his army.

>>150037285
>did an anon casually fix Korra's core concept with one neat change?
>YES

anon, I kneel

>>150039574
>That implies every avatar is good at their job and perfect or solves everything with force, or that everyone in the world will take them seriously
Anyone who doesn't take them seriously just dies. Again, godmode.

>Sozin just killed Roku. More accurately, left him to rot. but still.
Sozin was totally cowed by Roku and was a good little boy for 25 years until he died in a random natural disaster.

>They already genocided the air nomads and were hunting down any survivor. If they killed the Avatar, they knew he would've reincarnated into the water tribes, so they were playing it safe.
Sozin says he knows he missed the airbending avatar. A century later, Zuko knows the Avatar is still the last airbender, not some waterbender guy. Since all the Fire Lords went Avatar hunting, they would all know that

>>150037285
Korra's weird characterization makes sense if you've read the artbook. Bryke really didn't have anything intended for Korra outside of making her an opposing foil to Aang. On paper, this isn't a bad idea since Doctor Who and JJBA both do this with the next protagonist having the opposite temperament and attitude of the previous.

The problem is that it's not compatible with Korra being a Water Tribe denizen because the Water Tribe's theme personality is that of Water or Ice and how either can be positive or negative. Korra's temperament matches NONE of the Water Tribe characters ever seen in ATLA and not even in TLOK. But it does fall in-line with how Earth Kingdom and Fire Nation characters act.

Even with the backstory of being raised by the White Lotus in a compound, it still doesn't work because the general background of "being raised in a hidden area" doesn't typically create aggressive and violent personality types unless there was some serious neglect and abuse going on. FFS, Korra was literally still living with her family and had constant contact with people. Even one of the comics realizes this and depicts a younger Korra being sweeter and curious about exploring the world because that's usually how girls act in these sorts of setups. Kinda like a princess. And Korra might as well be one considering how well connected she is to the authorities and elite of the world.

>>150039030
Commanding the Tide

>>150039964
>Anyone who doesn't take them seriously just dies. Again, godmode.
Aang almost died in book 2, and the avatar state isn't perfect which is what half the show is about
I also lost track that this conversation is originally about the author of the Kyoshi books suggesting a story that takes place in an era where wasn't any Avatar at all for a century, so that's at least a century where this isn't a supposed problem
>Sozin was totally cowed by Roku and was a good little boy for 25 years until he died in a random natural disaster.
Sozin planned it, also this just shows that an avatar can still die in the most mundane way
Having a gun doesn't prevent you from tripping and breaking your neck
>Sozin says he knows he missed the airbending avatar
So he continued hunting them down, and the SWT raids were later involved
>A century later, Zuko knows the Avatar is still the last airbender
Zuko was purposefully sent on a wild goose chase, Ozai gave him a task he thought would be impossible because people just assumed the Avatar was gone, and it wasn't til Aang and the gang started romping around the world until people cared about the Avatar again. Zuko was a guy most people did not take seriously.

>>150039480
>Also, can any other fic writers tell me how to get over hating what you write?
Have you tried just getting over yourself and writing? A good story can withstand basic prose. You'll never get anywhere if you never write anything.

Source: write fanfics.

>>150040359
>Aang almost died in book 2, and the avatar state isn't perfect which is what half the show is about
Because Aang hangs there for reason. If he did the air sphere like literally every other time he does the state the lightning would have done jack.

>Sozin planned it, also this just shows that an avatar can still die in the most mundane way
Sozin didn't plan Roku's death, he showed up genuinely expecting to help him and only let him die opportunistically.

>So he continued hunting them down, and the SWT raids were later involved
Yeah, as part of the war. Not the Avatar hunt.

>Zuko was purposefully sent on a wild goose chase
Iroh says in the first episode Azulon and Ozai both tried their hand at Avatar hunting and failed, so they would know.

Nice trips
>>150022999
It's a shame, that would have been a great direction for the show to go into. Why that couldn't happen I don't know. It's not particularly hard to include. There are political science professors at most colleges and they'd probably accept being consulted for pennies if not free.

>>150041121
Random fanfics have better-developed politics for the Avatar world.

>>150039480
>Also, can any other fic writers tell me how to get over hating what you write? I read Midnight's children and War and Turpentine which have to be some of the most beautiful books I have ever read. Buta now all my prose feels like shit by comparison it's been a struggle for months now.
What exactly is your problem with your prose? Give us a sample and I'll try to help.

>>150041421
honestly in a world of ai i'm excited at the potentiality of actual fan comics being generated with passable art and decent writing.

>>150041470
Won't happen until the consistency issue is solved.

>>150041421
> Random fanfics
do you have any examples? i've always thought it was lame that avatar had such basic politics cuz the setting has so much potential

>>150041707
Embers if you like really going into the sociological weeds. Fire Lady Dowager if you like simpler but still more realistic than the show.

>>150040716
>Because Aang hangs there for reason. If he did the air sphere like literally every other time he does the state the lightning would have done jack.
And yet he didn't. And it shows the limits of the Avatar State in someone who isn't trained at it. That's a moment where the Avatar almost died for good if he wasn't lucky
>Sozin didn't plan Roku's death, he showed up genuinely expecting to help him and only let him die opportunistically.
So even when Sozin didn't plan it out, an opportunity to let let Avatar Roku still showed itself.
>Yeah, as part of the war. Not the Avatar hunt.
Certainly helps in not having a new Avatar though
>Iroh says in the first episode Azulon and Ozai both tried their hand at Avatar hunting and failed, so they would know.
So they would know that Zuko wouldn't have a chance in ever finding a guy no one has seen in a hundred years

>>150012772 (OP)
>pic
>just swap everyone’s personalities and call it an AU
That trash was never good. Stop pretending it’s the poster child for avatar AUs when it barely hold up to the incredibly low standards of fanfiction in general.

>>150020602
>headcanon that sunk 18 years ago
What’s even crazier is that you STILL think canon has any bearing on fanon. I don’t have a horse in the race either way, but the amount of whining you do about how it’s not canon is frankly pathetic.

What if Roku wasn't an idiot and mating press'd Sozin right then and there to prevent Sozin's war of conquest and instead make him into his cum slave?

>>150041739
thanx anon

>>150041741
>And yet he didn't. And it shows the limits of the Avatar State in someone who isn't trained at it. That's a moment where the Avatar almost died for good if he wasn't lucky
It shows plot contrivance it what it shows. Just like everything else in that story arc.

>So even when Sozin didn't plan it out, an opportunity to let let Avatar Roku still showed itself.
Yeah, he randomly got lucky one day. After 25 years of doing exactly what Roku said.

>Certainly helps in not having a new Avatar though
If that was the goal they'd have just killed them all.

>So they would know that Zuko wouldn't have a chance in ever finding a guy no one has seen in a hundred years
So they'd know the Avatar was the last airbender, not a waterbender.

AU where aliens invade halfway through.
1000 years prior, those very aliens invaded the planet. But were repelled by, with the air nomads playing a critikal role. But now they're back, and theres no air nomads left to fight them! Except for one...

>>150040155
That's why I think it works better if she's a Republic City native. Whatever her ancestry, she was raised in the multi-ethnic, multi-cultural city without strong cultural ties to any water tribe. If Korra is orphaned or otherwise estranged from her family, this also compounds her having an "urbanite" personality rather than a tribal one.

Korra does have some aspects of her personality that make sense for a sheltered kid: she wants to get away from the stifling, formal environment that keeps her from expressing herself. But she already has the mannerisms and behaviors of a person who was raised outside that sheltered, semi-royal childhood. As you said, Korra is well-to-do by birth. She's the daughter of a chieftain, she's connected to many eminent people. She should be more at home in high society, or on Airbender Island, than in the city given that background. Yet instead she feels more at home in the slums for some weird reason. Almost like that was supposed to be her origin story.

>>150041873
He'd get AIDS and die.

>>150042021
There aren't any white or black people so AIDS doesn't exist in this setting

>>150041932
>It's plot contrivance that an someone who is untrained with their godmode isn't invincible when said power increases his power and does nothing else in the way of invulnerability.
NTA but c'mon now. as long as something bleeds it can be killed. that was literally the point Roku kept telling aang about the avatar state

>>150042160
The first thing he does in literally every other use of it before and after is form an air sphere. But this time he just conveniently forgot and decided to float there doing nothing instead.

>>150042129
Asians also have sex with monkeys so it'd come up.

>>150042297
even if he had done that, nothing was ever said that about it invulnerable let alone able to tank a literal lightning bolt

>>150042334
>that it is invulnerable
also notice that every time before apart from the siege in the north, he's overcome by rage, vs this time where he 'mastered' it, and in the finale after rock-sama unlocks it for him. there are a lot of contrivances in avatar but the fight in crossroads isn't one of them

>>150036037
God I love smug Azula. It's a shame very people are able or willing to write her particular brand of sexy bitchiness in their fics.
Especially in zucest stories, but that's a different matter.

>>150042396
The entire fact that there was a fight is a contrivance. The gaang taking five minutes to walk down the stairs to see "Suki" before splitting up means Azula is instantly exposed and tossed in a hole.

>>150042667
...So you're stealth conceding to the point that the very idea of Aang being hurt in the avatar state specifically isn't contrived? Thanks

>>150042318
No CIA thoughever.

>>150042799
You forgetting the Dai Li?

>>150042799
Seethe thoughbeit harder desu.

>>150015136
Because she is Bloodlusted and cock hungry for Aang

>>150042645
Smugzula looks great in green imo.

>>150042745
No, it is. I'm saying that the entire sequence from the start is contrivance.

>>150042889
She looks great in everything.

>>150042929
>No it is because... it just is okay
You can't explain how aang getting zapped specifically is contrived (because it isn't), so you're pivoting to the premise leading up to it is le contrived. Simple as. Irrelevant nitpicking is irrelevant.

>>150043013
Yes, him getting zapped specifically is contrived because he doesn't do the thing he always does to defend himself, and he also floats in the air doing nothing, not moving for several seconds, for no reason whatsoever.

>>150042852
That's a good point
>>150042853
CIA is like the chemical X when making AIDS and crack doe

>>150042972
Not in filthy water tribe colors.

>>150043126
I believe she could pull it off if she really tried.

>>150043193
Why would she degrade herself like that?

>>150041900
You're welcome.

>>150041817
Okay, what IS the poster child for good Avatar AUs?

>>150043215
Cultural appropriation is funny.

>>150043268
One doesn't copy backwards slave peoples, though.

Why do you need an AU? Just pick a different time period.

>>150043348
Because the actual canon is really stupid.

>>150043348
Korra ruined that possibility.

>>150043348
Not enough sex in canon timeline.

>>150012772 (OP)
Where does Wang Fire fit into this AU?

>>150043617
He died in a gay orgy.

>>150043126
I disagree

>>150043348
Based
>>150043397
cringe
>>150043512
Only future timelines

>>150042889
>Azula just decides to rule the Earth Kingdom

Now THIS is a NEAT idea. If you think about it, only her legitimate loyalty to Daddy stands in the way of it. At the end of Crossroads of Destiny, she's got it. The King has fled and has no heirs. Long Feng is her prisoner. The Dai Li are at her beck and call. BECAUSE they are at her beck and call, she could use Lake Laogai to brainwash all the nobility of Ba Sing Se into compliance with her as their new queen. She wouldn't even need to do it for some of them, the simple promise of stability and competent rulership after the mess of the last few weeks, ever since Long Feng's arrest by the Earth King, would entice some of them to fall in line without brainwashing required.

The reason she wouldn't do it is the reason she doesn't do it in the show: because she's just loyal to the Fire Nation, loyal to Ozai personally, above all else. But if you had a version of Azula that was more personally ambitious I could see her choosing this option.

Watch her whip the Earth Kingdom military into shape, too, just in time for the Day of Black Sun, which she now knows about. What WAS going to be the Gaang's plan to defeat the Fire Nation, using the Earth Kingdom's armies during the eclipse, now becomes HER plan, and all of a sudden Ozai is fucked.

Man, this is a neat idea. AU Azula where she's not a daddy's girl and actually as ambitious and ruthless and cynical as early ideas of her thought she was opens a lot of possibilities. Object Lesson's Azula is another such version of her: as I recall, the entire reason she has to run off to join the Gaang is because she starts to plot a coup against Ozai but Ozai catches her in the early stages of it and tries to kill her.

>>150043680
>Faggotry and the trappings of lesser races
Ew.

>>150043722
That is from an AU fanfic where the circumstances are a bit different, but yeah Azula basically decides she wants to be a queen in her own right and Ba Sing Se is free real estate.

>>150043828
I'm going to be honest with /co/: Azula's mental breakdown took me completely by surprise in Book 3, because I spent most of my time watching Azula thinking she was loyal only to herself and saw every single other person as expendable, including Ozai.

I guess I misjudged her character? Or maybe it's Bryke's fault, not doing a good enough job putting her over as a daddy's girl to the bitter end.

But I spent a lot of my time watching ATLA back in the day convinced that Azula was going to be the Final Boss, not Ozai. Especially when Ozai got so little character development and even when he's introduced at the start of Book 3 he's still such a blank slate. I thought the show was setting up an enormous bait-and-switch, where midway through Book 3 Azula was going to betray Ozai and kill him, and SHE'D be Fire Lord then, and it would be her, not Ozai, that Aang would have to defeat in the series finale.

In my teenage brain this also made sense because Azula had done Aang the great insult of killing him at the end of Book 2, and blocking off the Avatar State for him for most of Book 3. This, to me, was ample proof that Aang was going to need to face her again, on the grandest of all stages.

Like I said, maybe I misjudged where the show was headed, especially with Azula.

But there is still a part of me that really likes the idea of Azula being totally ready to kill her father in cold blood and take his throne. That Ozai misjudges his raising of Azula, and doesn't appreciate the complete monster he's turned her into, until she stabs him in the back at the height of his arrogance.

>>150043732
Fire Nation lost.

>>150043925
Fire Nation won the war completely and then had a coup.

>>150043722
>where she's not a daddy's girl
She's be someone else's girl.
Azula and pathological need for validation are basically synonyms.

>>150043985
She obviously wants to belong to big brother but he needs to prove himself man enough to subdue her first.

>>150043722
>What WAS going to be the Gaang's plan to defeat the Fire Nation, using the Earth Kingdom's armies during the eclipse, now becomes HER plan, and all of a sudden Ozai is fucked.
So the role of Big Bad shifts to her?

>>150043868
They pretty clearly changed her character between books, though the way she went from fully prepared to murder Zuko with lightning when she didn't need to to inviting him back home when she didn't need to laid the groundwork for it. Either way, it's pretty clear they wanted her to be more sympathetic in book three than her initial characterization showed.

>>150043990
He'd have to keep subduing her on the regular.

>>150044015
Just needs to get her pregnant a dozen times or so.

>>150044019
>Dozen little fire lordlings
So only, like, two of them survive until adulthood

>>150044010
I'd argue that, paradoxically enough, to make Azula more sympathetic, you'd need to rewrite Ozai.

>>150043990
Zuko is a good boy and knows not to stick his dick into crazy.

>>150044003
I mean, why not? It's brought up in >>150043868

Hell, we're talking about it, what about that as an AU? Final Boss Azula. Would it work? Let's say that, one way or the other, she takes out Ozai and then it's HER who's Fire Lord during the Eclipse and the Comet.

Or, more logically from a logistical perspective, when the Day of Black Sun hits, that's when she murders Ozai, and she's Fire Lord from there to Sozin's Comet.

You know speaking of logistics this kind of solves some of the problems with Sozin's Comet as a series finale, doesn't it? One of the sources of a lot of people's bitching is what everybody has to do in the finale. Aang goes to take on Ozai, Zuko and Katara go to take on Azula, Suki, Sokka, and Toph go to take out the Fire Nation Air Force burning the Earth Kingdom. They have to do this because Ozai, Azula, and Ozai's Evil Plan are all divvied up.

But if you UNITE all these disparate elements of the Evil Fire Nation into ONE centerpoint, which is Azula herself, then the ENTIRE Gaang is united for the final battle, against ONE single enemy. It might work better than what we got. Would allow all the Gaang to fight together, too, even Suki, which I don't think they ever did once.

>>150042012
I genuinely think you fixed Korra. You could still have the White Lotus and Tenzin's family too:

>Korra was born to an unknown water tribe woman living abroad after the war ended
>she was orphaned young in Republic City
>Mako and Bolin are childhood friends and sport buddies
>The avatar has not materialized in the Water nation
>White Lotus and Tenzin are freaked out about this thinking the cycle might have broken
>Lin is the one that discovers Korra
>Korra is plucked off the streets and is thrust into her new role as the avatar

Korra being a Republic City street rat makes so much sense. She has every reason to be distrustful and resentful of the White Lotus, Tenzin and Lin because from her perception they're something like kidnappers who have pressed her into service or maybe she goes along with it at first because she thinks she's gonna be living a soft and cushy life and finds out it's way more work and way less ritzy than she anticipated. There's a sort of My Fair Lady feel to the set up you've described.

>>150043868
this sounds really cool

>>150035900
I think in a world where solar eclipses affect fire magic and the moon (fish (girl)) affects water magic, the properties of iron sourced from foreign celestial objects needs to be re-evaluated.

>>150044169
I like the idea of this better than what we got

>>150043954
>>150043954
AKA Fire Nation lost.

>>150044636
What??>

>>150044025
Nah, Azula would be hyper-protective of her offspring.

>>150034717
Based Maiaang bro. I myself am on-off working on a fic where Mai hatches a dragon egg. It’s still very early on, only ~2k words so far, but I do enjoy her character.

As for MaixAang, as much as I like it, I don’t think I’ll do it for many of the reasons you’ve listed, plus the focus is more Mai herself, of which her loyalty to Zuko is a big part. She and Aang will end up interacting a fair bit, though - I’m thinking of scenes where the dragon attempts courtship rituals with Appa since it’s never seen another large flying creature before, while Appa, having lived most of his life among other sky bison, is confused. So there’s the slightest drop of MaixAang in there, I suppose.

I always think about a Chinese Civil War style conflict in this setting. Warlord clique era, post-ww2 era, power vacuum after the Fire Nation are kicked out, Kuei abdicates, now with the technology left after the hundred year war.
I think Korra book 3 and 4 are probably like this but I have never watched Korra beyond the first few episodes when it first came out, and I don't think I have the willpower to do so anytime soon. Kuvira and Zaheer look cool though

>>150044636
The Fire Nation did nothing wrong.

>>150042645
>specially Zucest
Eh, I've seen a few fics that capture her smugness well
the one that always struck with me though was that one where Katara uses bloodbending on her after she's defeated during the comet day to ride zuko's cock

>>150043990
Fuck off

>>150047274
You know it’s true.

>>150043868
>But I spent a lot of my time watching ATLA back in the day convinced that Azula was going to be the Final Boss, not Ozai. Especially when Ozai got so little character development and even when he's introduced at the start of Book 3 he's still such a blank slate. I thought the show was setting up an enormous bait-and-switch, where midway through Book 3 Azula was going to betray Ozai and kill him, and SHE'D be Fire Lord then, and it would be her, not Ozai, that Aang would have to defeat in the series finale.


IMO this is the primary reason why Azula was written in a much more sympathetic light in book 3, because Bryke wanted for Ozai to be the main big bad, but realized how if they kept the characters as they were he would just end up being completely overshadowed by Azula, which is why they wrote her with more sympathetic traits in book 3, whilst making Ozai as irredeemably evil as possible to build up his status as the real big bad, much greater than Azula who we already saw for how much of a threat she was.

Its the exact same line of reasoning behind why Darth Vader is a lot more sympathetic in ROTJ, because Lucas wanted to make the Emperor the main big bad, but needed him not to be overshadowed by his underling who we’ve already seen do evil shot for a while.

>>150046836
The Fire Nation was right to lose, correct

>>150038339
>There wouldn't be any European swords in this setting anyway
IRL japan bought some armor pieces from Portugese traders you could have some europe stand in in the setting and have them sell the more exotic stuff if you really want to

>>150047458
Nah.

>>150047638
European stand-in's would be cringe
I prefer them just independently developing shit on their own what real life East Asian countries got through trade. Like how Japan was a naval power with warships irl because they bought from the west and created their own after learning from them, while in Avatar the Fire Nation just created their own because fire=better more advanced industry

>>150047747
Left alone Asians just squelch all potential development because Confucius no say.

>>150034066
Indeed

>>150043268
would she wear those threads just to make Katara seethe?

>>150044434
Perhaps Korra was always meant to be a low-class nobody. Remember swamporra?

>>150048004
Is this fanart a direct creation to this? >>150034066

>>150047441
The trouble with this is that, for all its faults, Return Of The Jedi deals with Vader, and Palpatine, a lot better than Book 3 deals with Azula and Ozai.

Within the connected trilogy, it's not impossible to believe that Vader is shaken by the events in Bespin at the end of Empire Strikes Back. He thought he had Luke in the bag; he thought he had him nailed. Instead Luke rejects him and would even rather choose suicide over him. It's the sort of thing that I could see knocking Vader off his game, jarring him loose after decades of being the baddest dude in the galaxy. Knocking him loose enough, spiritually, for Anakin to start to resurface, and for his loyalty to the Dark Side to start to crack. Finding out that Luke was STILL alive later, as he most certainly did, would have only emphasized those feelings, not tamped them down. And you can even make the argument that they've been there all along, given Vader's desire to have Luke as his ally/apprentice. It's just that Vader thought he was in control of those feelings, but the events of ESB and ROTJ knock him OUT of control.

By contrast, Azula doesn't seem to have a good reason for suddenly being more sympathetic in Book 3. On the contrary, Azula should be smugger, colder, and more ruthless than ever in Book 3 because she's literally gotten everything she's wanted so far. She comes home in absolute triumph after taking Ba Sing Se, something Iroh never managed to do. She's got Zuko wrapped around her finger because if Aang is still alive she can topple him from Ozai's favor effortlessly. There's no incentive here for her to suddenly start being nicer to Zuko, or to suddenly feel warm squishy feelings she wasn't feeling before.

>>150049995
Also, comparing Star Wars to Avatar: ROTJ puts over Sheev in a way that Book 3 completely fails to do with Ozai. Palpy is spectacular in ROTJ with his limited screentime. From the minute he walks down the shuttle ramp on the Death Star he oozes malice and dark power. Ian McDiarmid, the costuming, John Williams' score--it all works perfectly, and within seconds, we believe in Palpatine as the Evil Overlord's Evil Overlord. With the Emperor you need to believe that this guy could boss Darth Vader around, and Sheev absolutely DOES have that feel. You DO believe in him as Vader's boss.

By contrast, Ozai's flatness as a character, and frankly, how boring he is, never makes him seem like the kind of person who's above Azula in menace. He doesn't even have blue flames like she does, which visually tags him as 'inferior' to Azula, not as special as she is. And he doesn't really have any memorable lines or memorable scenes. We never get the feeling that this guy could credibly boss Azula around. Quite the contrary: as was said earlier, it's Azula who feels like SHE could boss HIM around, hence the belief that a bait-and-switch was coming.

>>150034066
why is sokka's left eye just completely black

>>150047399
Nobody likes incest fags

>>150050008
>By contrast, Ozai's flatness as a character, and frankly, how boring he is, never makes him seem like the kind of person who's above Azula in menace.
...wtf are you talking about? the first time we see him, he burns zuko's face. Is that not menacing enough? The blue flames was done only to differentiate azula's flames from others, and memorable lines/scenes?
>You will learn respect, and suffering will be your teacher
>Generations of firelords have struggled to find you, and now the universe delivers you to me as an act of providence.
Your confusing having a small amount of screen time with being bland. everytime you see ozai, the show does well to sell him as the looming threat Aang must deal with. the one time before the comet where we see him in action is his him letting off lightning that puts azula to shame, and you couldn't buy the idea of azula being subordinate to him? was zuko's face not enough to get that?

>>150047862
Gay analysis

>>150043868
Season 2 episode "Zuko alone" showed that Azula warned Zuko about the threat to his life. While she taunted him about it, she did warn him regardless. Season 2 ending also had her offer Zuko a way home as a free man. The spinoff comics had her playing the matchmaker for Zuko and Mai.
I think S2 had some early hints that Azula cares about some people, but she does it in her own fucked-up way. She treats other people like toys or something. Even if she genuinely likes Zuko, Mai and Ty Lee, she still enjoys opportunities to manipulate or emotionally torment them.

>>150036770
>I never understand this complaint at all and I think it's only a problem of the person's imagination. Or they want to do something that probably shouldn't have been in the setting, I have no idea. There's a lot of stuff on the map we've seen, enough stuff to work with but enough empty places to fill in, that's the thing with avatar lore in general.

The problem is the world is so small, if you where on the Avatar world their a good chance you would die from being so tall you head is above the area where the air is breathable.

Appa flies at a very slow speed, and the gang managed to cross the world about 6 times in less then 6 months. No all of that on by air. Frankly the most unbelievable part of the Avatar world is it not already having a world government.

>>150049450
Yeah

>>150050399
The show does not show Ozai as a real threat or a credible villain compared to Azula.

Ozai burns Zuko, so what are given to understand in episode 3 that burning the loser of a dual is the norm. Zuko never complained about pain, or his eye being damaged, not even to Toph. So apart from being a bit ugly, the scar is meaningless.

Compared to Azula who we are shown point blank to be enjoying Zuko being in severe pain. Telling us that at the very least Azula hates Zuko enough to take pleasure in his pain, or is just an outright sadist. It was Azula that proposed burning the EK, and it was her idea, even if other mouths spoke the words. In all ways Azula is shown to be the better villain.

>>150051275
Let's not forget that Ozai's "impressive" lightning in Day Of Black Sun gets immediately redirected by Zuko and zapped right back at him. Our first introduction to Ozai firebending is him getting punked by his own son.

>>150051275
>so what are given to understand in episode 3 that burning the loser of a dual is the norm
burning someone's face isn't the norm, let alone dueling a child.
>Zuko never complained about pain, or his eye being damaged
>So apart from being a bit ugly, the scar is meaningless.
Literal austism take kek
>Azulawank noises
because taking pleasure in suffering is somehow more menacing than delivering said suffering...
Azula's 'plan' was retarded, if anything you should be criticizing Ozai for being an even bigger retard for going full scorched earth over a line she said in half seriousness.
friendly reminder that entire reason azula was shown at all was because Ozai sent her to deal with zuko, iroh and the avatar. he persoanlly left missions of great importance to Azula over his generals. ultimately, azula was a pawn of Ozai who fell apart the minute his manipulations reinforced her insecurities after her yes men turned on her.
>>150051442
As if Azula would have faired any better in that situation. redirection literally has no counter (no the faggot comics dont count here)

>>150038854
based fellow zukibro

>>150050399
>Generations of firelords have struggled to find you, and now the universe delivers you to me as an act of providence.
Sometimes less is more. The delivery of this Line alone from Mark fucking Hamil sells the final fight and all the waiting leading up to it. also picrel

>>150051552
>because taking pleasure in suffering is somehow more menacing than delivering said suffering...

Yes it is Ozai was just being a fair if harsh parent then. Azula wanted to cause pain. We clearly see that Azula is the one that has the great evil their.

>Azula's 'plan' was retarded, if anything you should be criticizing Ozai for being an even bigger retard for going full scorched earth over a line she said in half seriousness.

It a very good plan the FN has already taken be best 90% of the EK. The rest is undeveloped land, and desert. Useless to fight over but perfect for a guerrilla fighting force to hide out for centuries. Burning the reminder eliminates several hundred years of guerrilla fighting.

>As if Azula would have faired any better in that situation. redirection literally has no counter (no the faggot comics dont count here)

Ignoring that redirection is easily countered, and Azula succeeded where Ozai failed to do. so.

>>150051552
NEITHER of them look good with the "burn the Earth Kingdom" plan, it's completely retarded. Azula is stupid for proposing it and Ozai is stupid for going along with it. By far the smarter plan was to go to the Northern Water Tribe and use the Comet to wipe them out. It would have eliminated the last meaningful resistance to the Fire Nation across the entire world.

>>150051762
>Ozai was just being a fair if harsh parent then
You're either an autist not worth replying or arguing in bad faith. Agree to disagree
>Ignoring that redirection is easily countered, and Azula succeeded where Ozai failed to do. so.
>involving a third person as bait for redirection that you're aware of it totally the same as being caught off guard by this technique you dont know exists.
This is exactly why no one like azulawankers.

>>150051796
Do people forget that they FN at the point controlled all the Western EK, all of the North EK. The Great desert take up most of the center. So only the Coastline to the south and east of the desert is not under direct FN control. Which makes up maybe 5% of the total EK, and by it nature is the most useless part.

>>150051796
>NEITHER of them look good with the "burn the Earth Kingdom" plan, it's completely retarded. Azula is stupid for proposing it and Ozai is stupid for going along with it.
Couldn't agree more, to put down one and not the other for this retardation is insane mental gymnastics KEK
>By far the smarter plan was to go to the Northern Water Tribe and use the Comet to wipe them out. It would have eliminated the last meaningful resistance to the Fire Nation across the entire world.
I can buy the argument that the win condition was simply conquering the ek, which has the land worth taking compared to the north. But ensuring no opposition remains and finishing the job you started with the water tribes makes far more sense then burning the spoils of war over some minor rebellions here and there

>>150051989
You make is sound like the NWT with it at most 50,000 total population could make the difference, then the FN has a millions strong army. In case you missed the point the FN already beat both water tribes, when it navy was much smaller and less advanced technlongly.

>>150052056
>In case you missed the point the FN already beat both water tribes
in case you missed it, the FN literally never beat the north through out the entirety of the 100 year war, and basically ignored them until the one time they had a chance to nullify their disadvantage in terrain.

>>150052056
The trouble with leaving the NWT alone is that it leaves the North Pole open to becoming a base for resistance and rebellion to FN imperial rule. Sure, it's kind of hard to get to, but it's THERE, and has some pretty sophisticated infrastructure and leadership from which to begin building a base of opposition. If you've got a shot to wipe it out in one fell swoop it just makes good strategic sense to me to do it.

>>150052179
Precisely. It's not a coincidence that the north was virtually untouched by the war, especially compared to the south. it only takes a few generations for said base of operations to capture a few FN Engineers and catch up in military arms. the war balloons were developed in the last year of the war by an ek citizen. leaving the North on the table is completley short sided.

>>150052248
And let's not even get into Sokka and co designing submarines...

>>150052133
>>150052179

The NWT explicitly was fighting in the war for the first 20 of so years. They lost so badly they quit the war, for over 80 years. Nobody alive in the NWT is old enough to have ever even seen a FN ship.

And in case you missed the entirely of the end of season 1, the Fire Nation with a very stupid commander, is able to breach the NWT Capital, and only city in just 3 days.

San the Avatar, or a competent commander the NWT would have been entirely wiped out as a power in a single week. They are not a threat and never where.

Both watertribes and the swamp folk combined, don't have the anywhere near the population, or resources, to be relevant in the war. This is like asking the population of Jamaica to fight the entirely of South America.

You know maybe we're looking at the "burn the Earth Kingdom" plan the wrong way. Maybe it's SUPPOSED to be retarded. Going by the actual canon of the show, by the time we get to Book 3 Azula's cruising for her mental breakdown and Ozai's always had at least one screw loose. Maybe the whole point of the plan is to show off how simultaneously cruel and unhinged both of them were getting.

>>150052333

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Look at the map the FN has already taken the everything North of and West of the Desert. All that left is some mountains Desert, and coastline.

95% of the entire EK is under FN control with the being 4% desert, mountains, and 1% coastline.

>>150052306
>They lost so badly they quit the war, for over 80 years.
Gross overexaggeration
>However, the two tribes' fleets were defeated in a series of major naval battles during the early Hundred Year War. The Northern Water Tribe responded by retreating and focusing on defense,[36] erecting a thick wall of ice at the mouth of Agna Qel'a as a means to keep the Fire Nation out.[19] In 15 AG, the Fire Nation invaded the North Pole, but the tribe defeated the attack.[37]
>https://avatar.fandom.com/wiki/Northern_Water_Tribe#Hundred_Year_War
>the Fire Nation with a very stupid commander, is able to breach the NWT Capital, and only city in just 3 days.
Which only came close to succeeding because they turned off the moon. You seemed to have missed iroh and zhao talking about the moon stalemate they were inevitably locked in. Zhao was a lot of things but he wasn't incompetent. his plan only failed because of spirit fuckery. now imagine a North now the base of the resistance with millions of refuges to replenish their ranks, most which earth benders who could further fortify their new base of operation. the combined might of the earth and water forced not sticking is part of why the FN dominated the war. lack of unified fronts and technological gaps made them easy pickings. preventing that from being a thing, again, makes far more sense than "LOL BURN THE EK WITH FIRE'

>>150052447
At that point, they're basically burning themselves in the finale. It's pants on head no matter how you slice it

>>150052544
>You seemed to have missed iroh and zhao talking about the moon stalemate they were inevitably locked in. Zhao was a lot of things but he wasn't incompetent
Are you as retarded as Zhao? The moon MOVES IN CYCLES you dipshit. All you have to do is wait to attack until the part of the month where the moon is waning. The full moon being a problem is his fault in the first place.

>>150052179
I always got the impression that Zhao attacking the North when he did was an unnecessary risk. The North had shut itself off for most of the last century and hadn’t engaged in hostilities beyond defending its own borders up to the present day. Wouldn’t it have been more sensible to capture Ba Sing Se with Sozin’s Comet, consolidate Fire Nation rule over the Earth Kingdom and then, once the continent stabilised, divert the resources that had been supplying the war in the EK to the North? I realise it’s a navy vs army problem so there might not have been any notable immediate increase in manpower, but it seems like the FN chose to fight a two-fronted war for no reason. I guess Zhao really wanted his fish kill.

>>150052544
>now imagine a North now the base of the resistance with millions of refuges to replenish their ranks
They all die hideously in the water trying to get there because the FN controls the seas, and the survivors starve because the artic is not a place where you can support millions of people.

>>150051796
They could just send the ships of the regular navy to do that anyway. There's absolutely no reason not to.

>>150052739
see >>150052270
Literal blockades meant nothing to them, and the tech was developed months ahead of the eclipse

>>150052739
>artic is not a place where you can support millions of people.
this isn't the real world, as you could already tell by the tens of thousands of people who control water that live there

>>150052807
So the position you're taking is honestly that five subs that can't go underwater more than an hour at a time will be able to ferry millions of people to the NWT, the NWT will accept being made a tiny minority in their own lands as well as a target for the FN, and that millions of rice-farming peasants will figure out how to produce adequate food in the artic?

>>150052855
Yeah, the WT is quite small and can acquire more food than regular Eskimos because magic water fishing. That does not translate to the ability to feed a population of millions of foreigners, let alone a desire to do so.

>>150012772 (OP)
Why isn't Sokka's scar from frostbite?

>>150036576
I had an idea of a fanfic where Yui was saved when Aang went kaiju-mode without a problem and the FN fleet is destroyed. However, Azula shows up while everybody is exhausted and bluffs her way in to capturing the NWT and the Gaang flees. Azula scrambles to establish control of the city and rescue survivors and send for reinforcements.

According to NWT law, the only way that a treaty as important as surrender can be ratified is through marriage, so Azula and Yue are wed. Azula rules benevolently to repair the the city because an uprising would be deadly, with Yue as source of local information, intermediary and moderator and they grow closer.

>>150054460
What is with fanfic writers and not understanding that the purpose of a royal marriage is to produce children that are biologically the couple's?

>>150054553
In fiction, the purpose of arranged marriages is to change two characters from complete strangers to lovers via a series of semi-formal interactions while living together.

Jane Austin didn't write yuri, so we moderns have to make our own fun.

>>150052602
How is eliminating the place where every rebel, military personal, and person with absolute hatred of the FN will have fled to, a bad idea. The would eliminate a source of guerilla warfare against them that would last a least another century.

What it would be is cementing their control over the EK as nobody left will be able to mount a proper resistance force.

>>150054010
Because Water Lord Hakoda gouged his eye out with a shard of ice after he failed his rite of passage.

>>150054667
It just makes everyone involved look retarded and eliminates vermisilatude. You unify countries by unifying bloodlines, not making two girls briefly finger each other before lesbian bed death sets in.

>>150050633
She's straight up not a good person and people give her so much leeway and sympathy because she's young and mommy wasn't nice enough to her. IMO that's bullshit. Plenty of young people get full on abused and don't become violent, hateful people. Azula is fun because she's a villain.

>>150055395
This. As much as I love swap aus, I don't see Azula growing up as a good person no matter how she was raised.

>>150052447
you know, I don't think this was well communicated in the show. I didn't realize they'd conquered so much.

>>150055395
Which is why all the "Azula as the Final Boss" ideas in this thread entice me so much. She IS a fun villain. She's a MORE fun villain than Ozai. Ozai is boring. I'd rather run it back with Azula vs the Gaang for the final fight than try to pretend I care about Ozai and his "force of destiny" shit.

>>150055466
If just her mom raised her her coldness would probably be reserved for people outside the FN.

>>150055466
>>150055526
She can continue to develop as a character and have depth to her character while still remaining a villainess. If the show can gone on longer they could have done a lot with Azula. Her growing closer to the Dai Li, how she handles the fall out of her 'friends' betraying her, how she grows past being a daddy's girl to seeing his flaws and wanting to usurp him. Show how she feels about her country and her ambitions for her nation, how she reacts to interacting with foreign cultures, how she wins over fire nation citizens, soldiers and generals etc and how she handles becoming increasingly powerful but more socially isolated.

She doesn't need to stop being a villain to have a character arc.

>>150055526
She should have been caught instantly in that scene. She's underground, Toph and Aang can just collapse the tunnels ahead of her.

>>150055526
I really like the idea of Azula vs the Gaang but before that happens I think she needs to develop a personal beef with everyone, not just Zuko. Aang, Sokka, Katara and Toph each need a personal reason to want her dead beyond their overarching goal of ending the war. Aang arguably already has that with her but not the others.

Not to be a downer but I'm overall not a fan of Azula being thrust into romantic relationships in fanfic which a lot of fans want to see because they like her so much. I just don't see it. The only man she needs in her life is a scheming eunuch and I'm not kidding. The only way 'relationships' would make sense for her IMO are:

>arranging a marriage to a young, impressionable fire nation nobleman
he mysteriously dies shortly after giving her a child, this may happen multiple times
>taking advantage of fire nation soldiers (who get sent on suicide missions shortly after)
she won't tolerate people saying uncouth things about her
>Selection games
several would-be suitors die trying to impress her with their daring-do

I don't think she'd soften up once she becomes a mother either. Didn't happen with her father. I could see her being a total mama-bear when the going gets tough but otherwise cold with her kids, hiring an army of nannies and governesses to do the day to day duties and being a very tough parent that pits her kids against each other. She gets them the absolute best the empire can offer and supports their interests but demands absolute excellence.

>>150056088
How a girl behaves in a relationship is almost always prefigured by how she behaves around her dad. Azula is totally submissive and devoted to Ozai, if she found a man who could meet her high standards she would do the same for him.

>>150056309
IME that isn't true and it definitely doesn't work for Azula in a lot of the proposed AU scenarios (like her taking her dad's crown). I don't think she's the sort of person that could have an authentically vulnerable experience with someone unless that person had absolutely no idea who she was and if it could remain so.

>>150056402
She got vulnerable with her brother and friends on the beach. It took her a few minutes to offer to share world domination with some guy she thought was hot. You underestimate her desire for validation.

>>150056088
>The only man she needs in her life is a scheming eunuch
Um what?

>>150056728
Do you ever watch courtly/palace dramas? The Scheming Eunuch is a character archetype common to the genre especially with Chinese/Middle-Eastern settings. At minimum they serve a useful narrative purpose as being someone for characters like scheming princesses to exposit at. It's a male influence that isn't family (so an outsider) who can't ever become a love interest (because they are eunuchs).

>>150056674
fair enough

>>150056728
>>150056900
Varys from Game Of Thrones is a scheming eunuch, if any Anons need a more contemporary example of the concept.

>>150055526
Ozai is Azula from Wish
They're practically the same character, just take everything that made Azula interesting and you get her father.
>>150055830
I mean Azula did taunt Sokka over his girlfriend which made him snap in that scene, so in a way things were personal for a brief moment, but he got to actually check on her not long after that.

>>150012772 (OP)
Sokka should have frostbite scars. Don't look those up, btw

>>150057353
They're not actually that bad.

>>150057353
The Sokka in that pic makes me realize that, a lot of the time, actual scars aren't really that 'cool.' They could make Zuko's look cool because it's a burn scar and you can get a bit creative with those, but just straight-up cut scars aren't all that cool. At most they can make you look like a bit of a badass if you've got a cool story behind them, but as we see in Sokka's case here, usually they just make you look bad and deformed.

And actually, IRL burn scars don't look so great either, so in real life Zuko would look pretty bad, too.

>>150058234
Quaritch pulls them off.

>>150043348
Modern?

>>150059422
Cringe.

>>150051001
>if you where on the Avatar world their a good chance you would die from being so tall you head is above the area where the air is breathable.
We're digging way too deep into autism here, the type that takes things too literal.
The only science autism I'd really get behind is adding chemistry knowledge to bending, like how far can you take certain bending styles.

>>150016412
It's too bad it's always paired with cheap sympathy and lame redemption arcs.

>>150060167
>>150016412
Within the context of ATLA I think she's better off as a villain but if she HAS to get redeemed then let it be because she teams up with the gaang to go up against a greater threat. Maybe Ozai goes full crazy before Azula does or bring in some sort of spirit world threat or natural disaster that forces them to work together. My personal idea for her getting 'redeemed' was to just take her out of the normal story/setting completely. She doesn't get killed or jailed but either:

>Aang takes her bending away
She escapes but has to reinvent herself now that she lacks her firebending. She travels the lands and is forced to find alternate ways of solving her problems without the usual violence. She's too ashamed to claim her former royal title, seethes, cools down a bit and reconnects with Zuko later.

>She gets isekai'd to the Spirit World
Azula can still firebend but her royal title is worthless; she has no allies, assets or subjects and has to make her way in a strange land full of unusual, inhuman and dangerous creatures. She has to make peace with herself and her circumstances. While there she can encounter other humans who have ended up in the Spirit Realm (like Iroh, the Painted Lady, maybe even Yue). Perhaps she can also encounter Korra, Tenzin and Jinora when they are doing Spirit World business.

>>150060297
A bending-less Azula would either sink into suicidal depression or set out to be the best chi blocker of all time and use it to enact a torturous vengeance.

>>150060339
Bending-less Azula should definitely have a suicidal depresssed arc that she eventually rises past. I don't know where she'd learn chi-blocking from but she would probably be good with other sorts of weapons. Maybe she could be an archer or get good with a spear or compensate with some sort of tech that could fit the setting (grappling hook, bombs or whip?). IDK if she'd still have the Dai Li's support but if she runs away she could function more as a general that commands them (leaving the fighting to others) and she could possible train an apprentice and/or still pass on her firebending ability to her kids.

I think there are ways for her to remain relevant and dangerous even without her bending.

>>150059490
Yeah you're right. I don't know what was I thinking, other than just wanted an excuse to bump this thread. LoL

>>150051552
Autism?