Thread 150019638

The most offensive thing about this movie is the portrayal of Bane and retconning Barbra into Alfred’s niece- just completely unnecessary

Other than that solid flick

>>150019638 (OP)
Gordon was barely even in any of the earlier movies, so from a narrative standpoint, connecting Batgirl to a character with a bigger role that audiences knew better is at least an understandable decision. Not sure why they didn't make her a redhead though.

Bane got done dirty, maybe they were just ordered to include a popular new bad guy but nobody working on it really knew or cared about him.

Arnold is the best part of this movie.

Does anyone have the leaked joke storyboard one of the storyboard artists made of Alicia Silverstone struggling to fit in her suit?

>>150019638 (OP)
>Other than that solid flick
fuck no lmao

This is still funny. The Forever bit is something they didn't need to add but it helps elevate the joke to GOAT levels. Anyone who disagrees has a poop mouth with poop opinions

>>150019951
>MM: You mentioned that you almost got fired from Batman & Robin?
>TB: Batgirl rode a cycle, not walk down a fashion catwalk, so I did this practical outfit.
(1/2)

>>150020413
>I did a sketch, just as a joke (or a cry for help) to pass around the art department, that almost got me fired off of "Batman and Robin" on week one. Silverstone appeared on the Oscar's the Sunday night before I started boarding on the film on the Warners lot, and she seemed completely stoned, enormously round and covered in some pink fluffy dress like she rolled over several times in cotton candy.

>My first job was to draw her in a scene and there was no reconciling the costume that they were planning with the girl I watched the night before. Like Rosanne Barr strutting in the Victoria Secret fashion show. Then I heard Alicia was actually on the lot with the costumers cinching her into a corset to get the measurement for a costume she would have to lose weight to fit in. So in my frustration I drew a cartoon.

>I had it tacked up above my desk in the artist's room where passers by couldn't get a direct look at it. Little did I know that one of the art directors or PAs loved the cartoon so much that he had to have his own copy. After I went home he made a color copy and put it up in his cubical in the main art department. Where everyone can see it. See where I'm going? Bob Ringwald, the costume designer, saw it and had a fit. Luckily I hadn't signed the cartoon and my fan didn't give me up.

Now before you say based or whatever he also apparently worked on Thor 1 and X-Men Origins Wolverine, so he might be responsible for mouthless DP's design too.

The worst part of the movie was that one scene where they just... reverse the footage for some reason. Reeks of bad photography.

Bane could've been more than a henchmen but they already had 2 major supervillains. And Bane always felt stupid to me, he's a dude hopped up on super steroids in a luchador mask but somehow he is also super intelligent? fuck off.

and yes, best part of the movie was Arnolds ice puns. he was really a chiller.

>>150019638 (OP)
Nipple suits and crotch/butt close ups were dumb

>>150019638 (OP)
Zoomers think sex is cringe and sus so they can't enjoy this film

>>150019638 (OP)
>A bat… credit card?

>>150020887
This film doesn't have nearly as much sex humor as Returns, and us older Millennials all love dark edgy shit not "it's so bad it's good" shit that's enjoyed with irony

>>150020443
Bob sounds like a sensitive faggot

>>150019638 (OP)
I tried rewatching this a while back, ended up pausing after Ivy breaks Freeze out of Arkham, and then just never bothered to finish it.
The only aspect I appreciate more now (about both this movie and Forever) is the production design and art style. As garish as it is, it's wonderful how it actually looks like a comic book, and very specifically like the Batman comics of the 90s. Norm Breyfogle and Kelley Jones were clearly massive influences and I liked that.
Otherwise, it's dull. The actors are clearly more in on the joke than most people give it credit for, but it's a very one-note joke. You've seen everything the film has to offer within the first 20 minutes. The most notable point after that is the Coolio cameo. The rest is just boring. Clooney is boring, Batgirl is boring, Robin is somehow even more boring than he was in Forever, Ivy vamping it up is boring. Even Mr Freeze's cheese eventually ends up boring. There are far better so-bad-its-good films out there.

>>150019908
Is he tho?

>>150019638 (OP)
>Other than that solid flick
Your balls is a solid flick

>>150025675
Bob Ringwood is kinda wild. On one hand he stopped Tim Burton from putting Keaton in a furry, ratty looking suit for Batman, but also he got beat up by Joel Schumacher which is something I’d never admit

>>150025803
Op here, bro I stopped exactly there too lol idk why I was enjoying the film up until then something jsut felt off- I think this film needed to make ivy and freeze more threatening I didn’t mind the camp and absolutely loved the costume and set designs but ivy and freeze don’t really kill anybody despite having pretty solid introductions and origins, that would have upped the stakes and balanced the goofiness

>>150026296
Wait.. Arnold is in this?

>>150019638 (OP)
Was this the best video ever made?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22KQnBakvHQ

I was introduced to Bane as a character through the Lego games, and this. I still enjoy and prefer him this way.

When I heard about "what the real Bane is like", even as a kid I just thought he sounded lame. "The ultimate BAT BREAKER" is just a marketing gimmick, not a character; it's boring.
Every time they adapt him "seriously", they just do the exact fucking story with him again and again because you CAN'T tell a different story after that, he already Broke the Bat(tm) and failed. Where do you go from there?

At least if your Bane is just "silly luchador steroids guy", he fits in with the rest of the themed villains in a campy way.

>>150030472
Hmmmm I’ll pick the film back up with this perspective in mind- the beauty of Batman always has been the ability to portray the characters in anyway without it being offensive- but this bane felt cheap to me, I’ll try again

>>150030828
Mind you anon, I'm speaking from my mental image of the character from how I remember him. Last time I saw the film was 2013ish, so I'm more referring to the broad-strokes of the direction. Honestly, I'm long past due for a rematch myself, so my opinion on this film specifically could change.

>>150030472
Have you read Knightfall?

>>150028574
You haven't notice?

>>150026296
yes

>>150020413
>>150020443
gays have consistently gate kept audiences from actually attractive women

One thing I can't help but sort of appreciate Batman & Robin for is its willingness to do something other than what Burton did. It tried to embrace more of a Silver Age/Adam West style, which was likely the reason for how blue Clooney's suit was. Clooney's Batman wasn't as dark and brooding as previous ones, but a bit more suave. Out of all the major WB Batman films, this one stands out the most.

At the same time, I also can't help but resent it for being responsible for the Dark Age that came after. Everything that became of Batman on film after this movie was a massive overcorrection.

>>150034748
Nolan's Batman was very dark and serious and people loved it because it was a reaction to Batman and Robin, which they considered childish. Then the MCU came along and being dark and serious was bad again and your heroes need to be joking constantly.

>>150035186
It's not just the "dark" that annoys me. It's how utterly mundane Batman has gotten. Every Batman film has to be "grounded".

>>150020413
>>150020443
this wouldn't bother me as much if it weren't for the sculpted nipples and butts on batman's outfit, why have her style clash so aggressively with theirs?

>>150019727
I think Gordon has a minute of screentime in Batman Returns

>>150035246
It's so "grounded" that he was basically pushed into becoming Batman by Rachel and he wanted to stop being Batman after she died.

>>150035445
Part of it was probably to "humanize" Bruce more. Traditionally, the idea of retiring from being Batman is unthinkable for Bruce's character in any incarnation, unless it's like in the Flash movie where Gotham has become "the safest city in the world". Nolan, however, felt that no one would ever really WANT to be Batman for too long, and that it would be more human for Bruce to want to retire. It feels off and wrong because it just doesn't seem like the kind of thing that any version of Bruce would really do.

>>150035522
> Traditionally, the idea of retiring from being Batman is unthinkable for Bruce's character in any incarnation,
I mean not really, that’s more of a “recent” ( as in, after the 80s) idea. Pre-crisis had imaginary stories about Batman retiring, and Earth Two Batman had retired.

>>150026960
>antagonizing schumacher about camp fashion
this is like screaming faggot next to a leather daddy bar. he was lucky to walk away.

>>150034217
>the gays
calling alicia silverstone fat was a common feature of entertainment media of the time. it's one of the more famous examples of an actress being treated poorly for an imagined beauty standard that appears to be ignoring reality.

>>150036561
She wasn't fat, but she had a plumper body type compared to Uma. She couldn't have been thinner even if she starved herself.

>>150035647
The type of story can be interesting, but not in a main storyline, specially in the way Nolan presented it. It felt like he never did it for a search for justice, but because of Rachel. He didn't want Harvey to clean the city because it was the right thing, but to finally retire so he could hope to be with Rachel and that she would choose him.

>>150036695
yes, it was the hungry skeleton era. in retrospect it's embarrassingly stupid that people were calling her fat.

>>150030472
I just think it's dumb how he's been retconned to be a LatinX in all his modern incarnations, for diversity reasons.

>>150026296
Easily

>>150036961
did he not grow up in the region?

>>150037038
>Bane's origin story is established in the storyline Guttenberg.[12] His father, Edmund Dorrance (also known as King Snake), was a revolutionary who escaped the court system of Santa Prisca, an island nation in the Caribbean. Following Dorrance's death, the government decreed that his young son would serve out his life sentence, leading Bane to spend his childhood and early adult life in Santa Prisca's prison.[13][5]

>>150037286
So yes, he's Latino. He might just be a white one.

>>150019638 (OP)
Okay.

>>150030472
That's pretty cool bro.

>>150019638 (OP)
>solid flick
Alright what else is new?

Batman Triumphant was the better sequel

>>150037319
>>150036961
His father is blonde British but his mother was a local to the island, and both Dixon and Graham Nolan considered Bane being Latin/Hispanic as part of his origins (and they’re both openly right wing, so no DEI reasons).
That’s why he’s wearing a luchador inspired mask, Nolan wanted him to wear something a kid in a Latin American country would see on TV and consider a symbol of power.

>>150019638 (OP)
Never let that down.

>>150042043
In what where?

>>150034217
The best thing about the modern superhero era is that they force the actors (even the women) to get /fit/.
The culture is better around fitness and weight lifting.

>>150045767
But also roids.

>>150019638 (OP)
>>150042043
So like how did this impact leave an impact to Batman btw?

>>150019638 (OP)
>NOOOOOOOOO THIS INFAMOUS PIECE OF SHIT MOVIE IS ACTUALLY UNDERRATED KINO!!
Go back to /tv/.

>>150048065
Well my ESL phone posting friend, I'll try to make sense of what you said-
Basically Batman and Robin killed the Batman movie franchise for about 7 years until Begins. It garnered such a bad reputation that even if the movies continued, the next planned one was always going to have a darker tone.
It made all the following years of superhero movies end up avoiding the campy tones of Batman and Robin and go for a more grounded approach,away from the big sets, fantastical cityscapes, and rubber costumes of these movies. X-men is a direct response to needing to avoid being Batman and Robin, for example.

>>150030021
Member when Nostalgia Critic wasn't an algorithmic suck up and had soulful thumbnails?

>>150048544
Supposedly the next Clooney film was gonna tie them all together since 89. Jim Carrey was gonna come back, and Harley Quinn was gonna be connected to Nichelson's Joker who would also appear in flashback.

>>150048603
At this point that's become a tiny fraction of his career.