Thread 150025458

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Um, yeah, that ship has sailed. Even if Billy here wanted to change his position on merchandising, his comic strip hasn't been relevant in decades. (Ironically it would have stayed relevant if he'd merchandised it.)

>>150025458 (OP)
why are they called after reformists? is bill waterson a potestant?

>>150025458 (OP)
its his comic, he can do whatever he wants with it
if personal rights are the end-all,be-all then why shouldnt his absolute dedication to his own beliefs over a boatload of cash be anything other than a triumph?

>>150025458 (OP)
If he does not want to, whether the ship has sailed or not is irrelevant, no?

>>150025485
>>150025486
It's just irrational. Peanuts mugs don't "diminish" Peanuts in any way. The comic is as cherished as it ever was. He's just running your typical self-sabotaging commie software that boomers picked up in college. At least millennial commies are smart enough to be hypocrites about it.

>>150025508
>sabotage
You say that as if he is suffering somehow due to this decision.

>>150025508
His choice
His free will

>>150025458 (OP)
You're not getting Calvin and Hobbes Funko Pops. Deal with it.

>>150025527
You do not get it anon, he could have had MORE MONEY.
MORE

>>150025508
You're right. Shilling for metlife never did anything bad to the peanuts brand.
heh...

>>150025458 (OP)
I still dont get this issue, the guy's still got like a million bucks, that's enough to live a nice quet life. Also Bill Watterson is ALIVE?!

>>150025458 (OP)
has he made any recent statements on the matter? because if he hasn't this is an odd way to frame it

>>150025458 (OP)
Wait, he's still alive?

>>150025535
he said it himself, he doesnt need more money
the newspaper comics gave him enough money to basically do whatever he wants now
which is apparently painting and writing forewards to anthology collections
not because he has to, but because he wants to

>>150025562
well, 68 is pretty old but not quite what we think of as ancient

>>150025548
probably not first hand, bill watterson is famously averse to the spotlight
but he gets contacted all the time by people who think they are the first person to suggest calvin and hobbes merch, so it wouldnt be surprising if yet another person has failed to secure the liscense

>>150025563
But money.
MORE.
MORE MONEY.

>>150025473
Predestination.

>>150025458 (OP)
>makes kikes to seethe
Bases as fuck!!!

>>150025458 (OP)
Obvious bait sure, but would anybody seriously believe that something like Garfied, which represents as opposite a philosophical stance to C&H as it can possible get, enjoys any more contemporary """relevance"""?

To be fair, modern consumers are desperate to consider themselves instrumental to creative transcendence, and nothing comes easier to them than aggressive delusion.

>>150025458 (OP)
>t. sour grapes angry merchant

>>150025523
Jewish knick knack peddlers are.

>>150025458 (OP)
lol @ you believing that
>>150025508
That's just like, your opinion man

>>150025458 (OP)
hey OP
remember when we caught you using chatgpt to write slander against Watterson? lol

I'm glad Watterson's daughter seems based and won't sell out to corporations after her parents are gone.

>>150025547
There is no issue, it’s bad ragebait that use to get traction but not so much nowadays

What would be tasteful merch for stylized characters? Sculptures? Hand-made sculptures?

Calvin is far and away the best character in Calvin and Hobbes and he makes every normalfag who reads it seethe like the Dickens.

>>150025588
But anon, no one makes comics for the love of the game. Surely no one can find true satisfaction in their chosen life work. It’s all about the money.

>>150025485
Because he also got a boatload of cash anyways.

>>150025874
How about a reusable logo of the main character pissing on things. That would be highly respectful and noble.

>>150025508
>Peanuts mugs don't "diminish" Peanuts in any way.
No, but it becoming a zombie strip for 25 years certainly has

>>150025874
I wonder if he’d consent to a bronze statue of them in his town

>>150026334
I've been to the Dennis the Menace park. No statue when I went.

Reddit loves it and reposts got everyday on all until they got copyright striked

But if there was merch even they wouldn't buy it because author said he didn't want that

>>150025458 (OP)
Anon, stop seething about not getting any C&H merchslop.

The man is independantly wealthy, he doesn't need or want your money, and it's his IP, lock, stock, and barrel.

>>150025458 (OP)
I never understood the outright hostility to Bill Watterson refusing to merchandise Calvin and Hobbes.
Its a bummer that no official Hobbes plusses exist but it's his own property and he can do what he likes with it.

>>150025609
Calvin was double predestination.

C&H is too wordy to be a merchandise juggernaut like Peanuts.

>>150025458 (OP)
based white man standing up for his principles

>>150025508
>communism is when you don't sell me products to consoom

>>150025508
imagine being this upset about not being able to purchase Calvin's funko pop figurine

>>150025508
>self-sabotaging
He made enough money in ten years of making the strip to retire and paint whatever the fuck he wanted. In what way is this self sabotaging?
>he could have made mo-
That's not self sabotaging, it's just not being a greedy piece of shit.

>>150025508
>I must cooooooooooomsum

Grow up

I fucking love how Bill Watterson just completely mindrapes people that don't understand the concept of being happy with what you have. It's so fucking beautiful. The man's wealthy and successful and decided that was good enough and it just completely fucking shatters the psyches of people who think you always need more.

>>150027676
But anon if I can't buy mass produce hobbes stuffie made in China with toxic material how can I express my love of the strip?

>>150025458 (OP)
Just make a Hobbes plush, that's it.

>>150026740
The mere existence of someone that found satisfaction beyond MORE MONEY is incompatible to how a lot of people see the world, so they hate him because he's living proof that they are wrong.

>>150027756
Just buy this then

>>150025458 (OP)
Why do Americans hate principled people so much?

The dick sucking cult surround this overblown comic is beyond tiring.

>>150025458 (OP)
in a dry dead world of money chasers Bill's refusal to whore out his creation is like an ice cold mountain frost gatorade from the back of the fridge.
>what about the calvin peeing on things decal?

>>150027891
Principles would get in the way of scams and slavery, which make money

>>150027756
He said he didn't want to give a definite answer on the nature of Hobbes existence, which is what a plush toy does.

>>150025458 (OP)
still weird to me that he came back to do stuff with the pearls before swine guy

Damn you, OP. Making me look up if Bill Watterson died today.

>>150027756
Make your own

>>150027928
Yeah Attack on Titan was pretty overrated and honestly made a bunch of missteps, seeing the degree to which people praise it is weird. No clue why you posted this on /co/ though.

>>150028019
We have seen the Hobbes plush in the comic, that doesn't answer the question of whether Hobbes is just Calvin's imagination or a magical plush that comes to life

>>150025458 (OP)
Surely you can survive one cartoonist not being a peddler of worthless collectibles Mr. Jew Anon

>>150027928
It's just okay, but this board treats it as the greatest comic strip ever just because of Watterson's contrarianism.

>>150028163
>Yeah Attack on Titan was pretty overrated and honestly made a bunch of missteps
Agreed, but the cult surrounding calvin and hobbes in much worse and really weird.

>>150028260
>Surely you can survive
That's antisemitism

>>150027928
>>150028314
>contrarian accuses someone else of being a contrarian
lol

>>150025508
Peanuts is loved and "culturally relevent", but the "expanded universe" of merch, adaptations etc. HAS dimished the personality of the characters, especially the animated TV specials, including the earlier ones when Schulz was alive that aren't flagrently just someone's OC with Peanuts skins like the newer ones.

Snoopy is NOT that usually affectionate with Charlie Brown (there are exceptions). He finds being a pet dog in a peaceful suburb boring and he spends most of his time flying off into fantasy in his own head. He's a PARODY of "a dog is a boy's best friend".

Peppermint Patty is NOT simply an overly-confident blustery tomboy. She's constantly filled with doubt and second-guessing herself and is tortured by her affection for Charlie Brown that she's never able to express properly.

Marcy is NOT a mild, polite nerd. She's viciously sarcastic and likes making fun of people but ironically is closest to Patty who is the least able to deal with her barbs ("Don't call me sir!" 10,000 times).

>>150025458 (OP)
>um
OP IS A FAAAAAAAAAAAG

A HUGE BOY MOLESTING LA LA HOMO FRUIT

OP SUCKS DICK ELEVEN TIMES EVERY SINGLE DAY, ASK HIM ABOUT IT

>>150029133
Yeah, how dare him, making those companies have to come up with their own ideas instead of mooching off his.

>>150029133
>tens of thousands of factory workers, merchandisers, artists, toy designers, retail workers, can make enough money off MY IDEAS to feed THEIR FAMILIES???

Not how it works

>>150025508
>wants full control over his work
>is called a commie

what?

>>150025458 (OP)
At this point I don't think enough people remember or give a shit about Calvin and Hobbes to want that much merch. Or enough to make a merchandising license worth a damn.

>>150025458 (OP)
Oh, you're back again? I figured you'd just move on to someone else to obsessively make threads about. Your retarded fixation on merchandising makes you subhuman. Consider suicide.

>>150025632
OP is genuinely upset by this. He's made many threads on this exact topic and argued for days and days about how it's morally wrong and bad that Waterson won't make more money so he can use it to be immortality tech with the rest of the billionaires. He's a fucking schizo and should be permabanned for his own good.

>>150029133
You say that like their is a shortage on merc junk

Their isn't. Landfills are full of merc junk and it's getting worse.

>>150025458 (OP)
>>150025485
>>150025508
I honestly never saw the issue with some merchandising. Just making some shirts and a plush here and there is not exactly going full Garfield/Peanuts. You can make some stuff and give fans what they want without going fucking overboard with it, and without Garfield phones washing up on coastlines for a decade.

This just feels like going extreme in the opposite direction. And because Garfield and Peanuts went too damn extreme with the merchandising.

>>150025458 (OP)
Your choices are die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. Funny enough people forget the villain eventually dies too.

I'm happy he took the better path.

I have 0 peanuts or Garfield merchandise or books, yet gave several Calvin & Hobbes collections.
This night mean nothing, or might be demonstrative or his point.

>>150029615
It doesn't matter how you feel. Watterson owns his IP and doesn't want it made. How do you people not understand this? The logic literally does not matter, he doesn't want it.

>>150029649
Might also be an era thing. Peanuts was really huge in the 70s while Garfield was big in the 80s and 90s.

Peanuts and Garfield are not really reaching kids as much as they used to back then they were more popular.

>>150029615
Fuck your consoom feelings faggot. Watterson said he doesn't want to sell plushies, that's his choice to make and there is not a single fucking thing you can do about it.

>>150029693
>>150029693
Who the fuck are arguing with?

I said I don't see the issue with limited levels of licensing and not going insane with it. How did you draw some kind of
>Fuck you I want toys nowwwwwwww
from that?

>>150029615
Most don't see an issue with merchandising. What concerns them is how slaved people can get to having any. That's what the issue is. No one thinks it be awful if C&H merc was made, but most are fine living without it. It's the unstable people that get upset at this lack of merc that we worry about.

>>150029739
I didn't even suggest anything resembling your greentext. I said Watterson doesn't want it. That includes limited runs. It doesn't matter anon.

>>150025458 (OP)
>>150027928
so is it overrated or irrelevant?

So was OP part of that toy company that failed to force Bill to give in for them to make those 4inch figures?

Whoever this is seems awfully pissed at something so mundane.

>>150029769
Both

>>150027756
It would be 5 minutess before somebody put a fleshlight in it and sent the picture to Bill

>>150025458 (OP)
>(Ironically it would have stayed relevant if he'd merchandised it.)
The Flintstones has been more cereal than show for decades.

>>150029740
I think Garfield did kind of fuck with the minds of way too many people. The main reason there is such a hatred against it is mostly from people who are so sick and tired of seeing a Garfield shaped...anything at all to the point that it turns into hatred of the whole title. And now when they see merch and a comic title in the same paragraph they freak out and have flashbacks seeing Garfield shoes, wallets, keychains, and cups everywhere.

It's just the common assumption that merching a comic strip means it's going full Peanuts with stores full of nothing but Snoopy shit.

>>150029769
It's overrated because I don't like it and it's irrelevant because I don't want to admit that something I don't like is popular.

>>150029615
Nobody cares what you see, your opinions don't matter. Watterson owns the comic and declared he will not be merching it.
Cry harder.

>>150025458 (OP)
I'm glad he's stuck to his convictions

Calvin and Hobbes has managed to stay relevant 30 years after the strip has ended

>>150029755
Yeah I'm aware of that, at least 15 other people kept repeating the same It's his Choice phrase too. Which again no one was arguing here.
I just said I personally do not see the issue with merching things, that fucking it. You can quirt samefagging to force an argument you keep having in your head now.

>>150029823
And Pebbles and Gummies are the singular only reason people still have heard of or know Flintstones

>>150029827
I disagree. I think no one is that invested in these things, and you are overestimating the effect this stuff has on anyone, by your logic people should despise Pokemon and Winnie the Pooh and yet people just look at them with fondness and move on. If anything I'm with >>150029806 and whoever this is seems to be more upset that they couldn't profit off of Bill's success.

>Dozens of comic strips with express environmentalist and anti-exploitative themes
>"HURR DURR WHY DOESN'T WATTERSON LICENSE OUT HIS IP TO MAKE MOUNTAINS OF PLASTIC CRAP EXPLOITING WORKERS IN DEVELOPING COUNTRIES???????"
It's truly a mystery. If only his comics gave some level of insight into his personal views. Alas.

>>150029615
There is no "some" merchandising. The moment you sell the license they are going to milk it as much as possible. Are you like a child to not know this?

>There will never be a C&H cartoon.
At least you have the sugar! HE HE HAW!

>>150029892
What planet are you living on? People DO despise Pokemon and have for decades.

>>150029889
I'm not samefagging actually, I think you've kind of kicked a hornets nest. I just kind of assumed since you were in a Calvin and Hobbes thread that you were, you know, talking about the conversation at hand. If you were genuinely making an agnostic look at things I apologize but like, you could have been more clear about that.

>>150029615
>COONSOOM! COONSOOM! COONSOOM!
>COONSOOM!
>COONSOOM!

Jesus fucking christ people have no fucking lives anymore. all they have is want product placement.

>>150029827
What world are you in where you are seeing the Orange cat so much?

He's not even in the top 100 highest-grossing brands

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises

That includes merc sales. Peanuts sells more merc than Fat G.

>>150029894
I never really got this either, why is it that liking some little toy on my desk is now the ultimate expression of all evil now?


....but only when it's something I like or want. I noticed way too many people will never ever bring up their factory horror stories or sweatshop fantasies when it's from a franchise they personally like. Then it's okay.

>>150029904
yes they hate it so much that they contribute 100 Billion dollars merch sales to it.

>>150029615
>I'm not obsessed with this topic!
>I just think he should do a little merchandising!
>It's wrong that he didn't merchandise at all!
Kill the jew inside your head.

Merch is being made without him
Bootleggers have filled the niche he will not and we can use the money for interests he is against

>>150029962
>Evil bloated out of control capitalism is when you like Disney movie and have a Stitch plushy or mug, you greedy coonsoom piece of shit...
>My Transformers collection is healthy and promoting a strong economy giving workers well paying jobs and helping international trade and bringing harmony between nations!
Oh any please die in a hole you fat greedy capitalist piece of shit living off the exploitation of child labor in a multitude of third world countries for your little cute mug there, I hope you die slowly when the revolution comes faggot...

>>150029615
Okay you are either an obsessed jew raging at the passing of an opportunity for sheckels,
Or a coonsoom faggot that is too far gone by the jew media that demands you forever spend for more coonsoom and it enrages you that someone simply will not let you do that.

either way kill yourself

>>150029615
...i wonder who's behind this post...

>>150030024
I bathe in your impotent seethe
you can do nothing.

>>150029962
you are talking around the issue and making it something that it's not.
No one in this thread said it was evil you have a toy on your desk.
They just said you have issues if you are as upset as the OP it isn't a C&H toy

That's all this is.

>>150030024
Did a Transformer fan steal your girl or soothing anon? That is oddly specific...

>>150029525
Maybe, but I still occasionally see a new picture of Calvin-pissing-on-something bumper stickers.
I'm sure he could cause a rush of initial buyers. He could probably even pump and dump his own shit coin if he really wanted.

>>150029615
Yes yes Mr. Rosenbergenstein, it IS a terrible tragedy that someone will not ever allow their hard work be licensed out by the toy companies to shovel tons and tons of slop on an unsuspecting world. I am equally outraged!

>>150025458 (OP)
It's better to be irrevelant than be distorted.

Reminder that OP is a serial shitposting schizo who must be reported en masse for trolling, shitposting, spamming, and ban evading. Such cancer warrants usage of janny bypass.
Fulfill your civic duty, /co/mrades.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=150025458

i wish I was such a chad i could cause endless seethe just by standing by my principles

>>150030448
you wont do shit

fuck your mother

Ignore the local schizo, he just hates C&H because it depicts a loving family and the concept is utterly alien to him

>MR. WATTERSON MR. WATTERSON
>Huh? What's wrong?
>YOU NEED TO MAKE MERCHANDISE
>Why?
>THINK OF ALL THE MONEY YOU COULD MAKE
>But I already have enough money and still make money from sales of my comic collections, I'm fine and my art lives on
>AAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOO EREAFASFASDFJASOIFDJAERQJAWERAS

>>150029615
>Morty Shecklestein is maaaaaaad

One of the cool unintended effects of this is that it is actually possible to get a full collection of all official Calvins and Hobbes products ever released, which is unprecedented for a series of this scale.
All you would need is
>Two yearly calendars
>One USA stamp
>One t-shirt
>Teaching with Calvin and Hobbes
First two are cheap to get but the last two will be grail level money if you want them and can find them, but you realistically can complete this lineup. Where something like Snoopy has so much fucking shit pushed out that it would be impossible to track it all down and pay for it, and same with anything to C&H's popularity level regardless of medium

>>150030451
I do it every single day I put on my red hat.

>>150029615
>I honestly never saw the issue with some merchandising.
Soulless cash grab that dilutes the authenticity of the original.

>>150030565
Based Jacobin

>>150030565
>Simping for boot that's crushing my balls makes me feel powerful

>>150029889
>I just said I personally do not see the issue with merching things, that fucking it.
Because you don't have a soul

>>150029550
>days and days

Days and days? More like months and months

In retrospect Calvin and Hobbes is rather overrated by redditor types. The wordy strips in particular are pretty much just boomer cloud yelling. I'm sincerely holding this viewpoint and not baiting

>>150025508
Snoopy hocking life insurance diminishes Peanuts

>>150030778
I think you are retarded because you associated that with Redditors and I worry internet discourse has poisoned your brain, but I agree, I've always found them wordy and ghey and it's hard to buy Calvin as a kid when he talks like a 30 year old nerd.

>>150025485
No he HAS to sellout to the corporate overlords and let everyone be in on his art instead of just enjoying his work from afar like they should

>>150029827
This picture is proof of the inclinate human nature to worship something- diabolical.

>>150029896
>Are you like a child to not know this?
Are you? It's all contracts, and if Watterson desired, he could limit the license to 1000 pieces of a specific product. You don't have to go all in, and if companies are coming to you, you can set the terms and they'll just offer you less money. Just because it's not common doesn't mean you can't do it.

>>150025458 (OP)
>his comic strip hasn't been relevant in decades.
Don't you dare disrespect someone with actual artistic integrity. Doesn't matter anyways. You missed the point

Fuck relevance, let things end.

>>150025458 (OP)
Calvin & Hobbes is timeless and therefore always relevant. Thanks to Bill Watterson's integrity, there aren't a bunch of sweatshop-made, cheap, plastic crap Hobbes dolls cluttering up the world. The guy is a mensch and the comic strip was great.

>>150031621
prophetic

>>150025458 (OP)

Good. mechandising paves the way to bootlegging. Look at what happened to Looney Tunes

>>150025508
>don't like believe in shit bro...that's like gay or something

>>150028314
Watterson's writing style only felt fresh because it managed to breach the mainstream in a time when the internet and social media didn't exist. In the bubble of 80's american suburbia, it was very easy to believe the literally every normalfag in your town was some mindless zombie and that you were the sole super special ubermensch who could rise above it all and see the world for what it REALLY was.
But we don't live in that bubble anymore. Now we're painfully aware that EVERYONE thinks they're above the normalfags. EVERYONE thinks they can break the programming by just being cynical and miserable all the time. And we now have tangible proof that this mindset does not create people who bring real value to their communities or humanity as a whole. They really are no better than the "mindless normalfags" who "keep living the lie with fake smiles" that they've spent their whole lives looking down upon.

>>150025458 (OP)
he'd get a decent amount from licensed calvin pee stickers, but yeah it wouldn't be making him 9 digits like it would have in the past

>>150029133
>NOT THE HECKING FAMELERINOOOOOS
If you haven't bought every piece of media ever made you're a hypocrite

>>150029133
This is maybe the most pathetic way you could frame your retarded fixation on merchandising.

>>150031553
So yes you are a child

>>150025458 (OP)
This thread again?

>>150029133
Yep. It's a Bejitapig seething at his happiness.

>>150025458 (OP)
>agent calls him once a year about this
>"still no."
>goes back to minding his own business as a retired millionaire

The headline:
STUBBORN CARTOONIST CONTINUES SEETHING ABOUT MERCHANDIZING

>>150025458 (OP)
doesn't he make bank off of all those bumper stickers of Calvin peeing?

>>150025458 (OP)
>his comic strip hasn't been relevant in decades
Can't tell you how many nostrips I've seen fellating C&H.

>>150026324
There were no new peanuts strips made after schulz died

>>150025508
I honestly pity you

>>150029615
your jew is showing

>>150026324
It fucking ended 25 years ago
Reprinting strips is not zombie

>>150026740
Watterson got started under your typical shitty contract with his syndication company which basically made him a slave that didn't own C&H and only got a small slice of any merch and TV the syndicate made; deals that Watterson had no say over.

Watterson was just damn lucky that he won his fight over gaining ownership over C&H but was super pissy that fans sided with the syndicate over him on the issue of merch and started making bootleg merch to spite him. Which only fueled Watterson refusing to make offiymerch

>>150029133
I hate you stupid fucking consoomer fags so much. You're home is probably infested with plastic crap. No adult should own toys or merchandise of any kind.

>>150032208
People who weren't alive or old enough back then don't understand the force that C&H was. Papers had to carry the strip because if they didn't people who cancel their paper subscription. He kept papers relevant & profitable. Papers would have died years earlier without him and Larson.

>>150025458 (OP)
He obviously doesn't give a shit and stuck to his principles. If you had principles, you'd understand that's not an easy thing to do when you have hundreds of millions of dollars of potential profit staring you in the face.

>>150025458 (OP)
>>150025508
Why do you care?

>>150025458 (OP)
Lmao kids love Calvin and Hobbes

>>150030565
Lmao every time you put your cu c k-cap on another pedophile gets away with child rape

>>150030666
Trips of truth they are worshipping one half of the Antichrist to own the libs lmao truly embarrassing retards

>>150027813
It's a stupid comic strip, not high art. He's a delusional manchild who squandered a golden ticket and will only realize this on his deathbed.

>>150036545
Why. do. you. care...?

>>150028163
>>150029769
>Overrated
Not am Ideal word I prefer overhyped. Overrated is a very subjective word masquerading as more clever than it is, no one can properly define why something is overrated when forced to clarify it outside of their own personal feelings. Overhyped is when people make claims and promises that fall short, a far better term.

I get why he doesn't want Calvin and Hobbes funko pops but why not a video game or something. or even a totally unrelated comic.

selling out is le bad even though you get to make tons of money and reach more people

>>150025458 (OP)
oh not you again

>>150036562
Because he could have made more money.
Money.
Do you understand anon?
Money.
That filthy goy putznasher!

>>150032208
>the sole super special ubermensch who could rise above it all and see the world for what it REALLY was
That's not Calvin's character at all. He's a kid with an overreactive imagination and he has tons of flaws.
You need to touch grass.

>>150032208
>They really are no better than the "mindless normalfags" who "keep living the lie with fake smiles" that they've spent their whole lives looking down upon.
See this is where I disagree entirely though, if normalfags were wiped from the earth nothing would change because they really are useless and generally support the worst ideas imaginable.
This is just you being angry that you are actually functionally better off dead, since truthfully you might as well be already.
Cry about it pussy.

>>150032208
>hurr durr the comic was a product of it's time, what is context?

>>150029133
Based. What a chad making manchildren cry

>>150029615
You're asking "What's the issue with merchandising? Why not do it, at least a little?". You're forgetting to ask, "What's the issue with not merchandising? Why do it, even a little?"

>>150025508
He was pretty much proven right when he used to secretly go to book stores in his home town and sign Calvin and Hobbes books, but then found people were just flipping them on eBay instead of holding onto them as keepsakes.

He wanted C&H to not turn into a soulless cash hog, and the one time he actually did something to apply some value to some merch, people did exactly what he feared.

>>150029133
let's be real; no one is ever gonna be like watterson

(and honestly no one should strive to be; especially now that pecky licensees aren't rly a thing)

>>150028491
>>150030896
>>150037616
These anons are spot on.

How much merch could you really even make? There's like 10 characters in the whole strip

>>150038310
Other Calvin scenarios like Spaceman Spiff, or the transmogrifying versions of him.

>>150025458 (OP)
>dateless twitter post
Why the fuck do you care?

>>150036790
The profit motive already killed comics, cartoons and the planet, no good reason to feed it Hobbes

>>150036854
I know Calvin was intended to be a flawed and often flat out irrational and bratty child. He was also frequently used as a mouthpiece for watterson, either parroting his sociopolitical views or providing an example for why the opposite of watterson's view was bad. Both can be true at the same time, and the end goal is for readers with similar ideals to the author's to feel validated.
>>150037049
And what have you done with your life, oh great one so wise to the truth of the world?

I have seen a ton of calvin and hobbes products throughout my life and had no idea about him not allowing it until recently. People do it anyway so if anything he's a retard for not cashing in and letting others do it with no benefit to himself or his family. This is the first time I've ever said this unironically kek what a bitch

>>150039296
>People do it anyway so if anything he's a retard for not cashing in and letting others do it with no benefit to himself or his family.
why is it so dumb to choose anything else over money?
he already got his money, he can choose to paint for the rest of his life just for fun, why make more?

>>150039296
>I have seen a ton of calvin and hobbes products throughout my life
You mean illegal car decals, because there's no other C&H merhcandise.

>People do it anyway so if anything he's a retard for not cashing in
He's still a millionaire and has more money than you will ever have from sticking to his principles.

>>150039346
>You mean illegal car decals, because there's no other C&H merhcandise.
no im talking shirts posters and mugs and the like. they get made theyre just not official. im sure some of the makers get sued or whatever but then two more will take their place. ill admit i saw way more when i was younger but still.
>He's still a millionaire and has more money than you will ever have from sticking to his principles.
he could have 10x'd his money though. its not about me its about him supporting his family.

>>150039327
charity I guess

>>150039049
>And what have you done with your life, oh great one so wise to the truth of the world?
No word to the contrary is it? Only an attempt to cut down the opposition because you really are an empty vessel.
Typical of cattle.

>>150039381
>he could have 10x'd his money though
he just didnt want that
what he had was more than enough and theres no point in doing something he doesnt agree with just to make number go higher

>>150025458 (OP)
Masterful bait

>>150039498
What the fuck am I even supposed to say to the contrary of "everyone deserves to die except me"? That you're wrong and life doesn't need to justify its own existence? That even in a world where every normalfag was eradicated you'd never ascend to the pillar of godhood? If I did, you'd just say it wasn't good enough reasoning. And you'd keep doing that until you felt you had secured your victory. It's ironic that you accuse me of cutting down my opposition when that's the only tool in your playbook. Masterful projection.
And for the record, calvin, hobbes, and watterson would all despise you and everything you stood for as a human being. I'm working on the assumption that that sort of thing matters to you, but since you felt the need to react so aggressively to my honestly very banal take on his work, I'm feeling safe in the accuracy of this assumption.

>>150025458 (OP)
>hasn't been relevant
the Calvin and Hobbes anthologies have never gone out of print

>>150036353
>>150036562

>>150032208
Spending 5 minutes on social media does nothing but reaffirm people are mindless zombies.

>EVERYONE thinks they're above the normalfags
Maybe in your chudsphere but most people will deride you for not being "normal" and demand you conform or else you'll be harassed.

>>150029891
I think it's actually mostly from SiIvaGunner at this point

>>150040664
It's not an appeal to triviality: This is a circumstance where WHY they care actually has a massive bearing on the issue at hand. At this point it's been covered a few times in the thread, but unless one is making the argument that every person has the obligation societally to chase as much money as possible, a lot of the opposition to Watterson merchandising is kind of fucking weird. 'Why do you care' is fair question if less eloquent than: 'What the fuck is your actual position here?'

Watterson is based, op lost.

>>150041000
>unless one is making the argument that every person has the obligation societally to chase as much money as possible
Actually, they do. Greed is good.

>>150041045

Personally, I maintain that's some stupid shit, but if you believe that, more power to you, get off 4chan and go make more money

>>150041000
>a lot of the opposition to Watterson merchandising is kind of fucking weird
No it's not. OP is a spastic retard who keeps making these threads because he's obsessed and has no legitimate reason to be so obsessed in the first place, as it is none of his business, and his reasoning is obtuse bullshit like, "Waterson could make a ton of money" and "it would give people jobs making merch"

>>150041084
I'm actually making money right now.

>>150041088
I fucked up because I'm tired, but I'm with you. It's the people who are arguing he has some sort of obligation to merchandise who are weird

>>150041095
You could be making money browsing 4chan at work and that's still besides the point because you could be doing something else on the side that actually has returns.

>>150041123
This is the side hustle.

>>150041045
Greed is a sin

>>150041123
>I fucked up because I'm tired, but I'm with you. It's the people who are arguing he has some sort of obligation to merchandise who are weird
I was a little confused by the conflicting messaging of your post, but that makes more sense. You're all good anon. Go get some rest.

>>150041239
Only in religions created by poor people.

>>150025485
I do admire him. Allowing your creation to be over-merchandised makes it soulless most of the time... but not always.

>>150025585
>68
>old
fuck you, my mom is 67 and even with a lifetime of poor choices she's not even remotely near decrepit

>>150028019
no as in literally make one by hand, I've always considered that a legit option for a Hobbes

>>150025458 (OP)
>>150025508
holy retard

>>150025458 (OP)
LMAO when Calvin and Hobbes go public domain I'm going to put them on everything and Billy can't do anything about it

>>150041881
Somehow I doubt you're going to outlive him by 70 years.

>>150025458 (OP)
Is he a faggot?

>>150036849
He had money. He already had more than enough money and he gets to keep his work pure.

>>150025458 (OP)
thats the kind of shit you can only do when you're already rich.

>>150040664
>you should care about this!
>no that's stupid
>go away then!
>ok bye

Yeah, he needs to stop being such a fucking BITCH and sign the rights to his life's work away to a soulless jewish corporation that will suck it completely dry and use aggressive, twisted contract language to ensure that he never sees a cent of it and his family is locked out of his estate when he dies.

That's fucking gay. And Calvin pissing sticker is fucking funny, I don't know why people get butthurt about it. My perception of the series was skewed by Calvin's faggot ass fans who treat the series like the bible.

OP is a faggot.

>>150044372
Here is the thing:
This will 100% happen if he tries to give the family estate rights to his comic after he passes, this happens every single time
The ONLY way to keep his vision intact after he dies is to set up to release Calvin and Hobbes into the public domain upon his passing

>>150025458 (OP)
I’m sorry, OP. You’ve portrayed Bill Watterson as the chad. That makes you the basedjak. You’ve lost the game.

>>150044489
This. If he won't do it, his kids will. Or his wife. Or anyone who manages to get a hold of the rights after Watterson is gone.

>>150044489
Yeah, after Watterson passes away, we'll start getting animated cartoons and officially licensed Hobbes dolls and crap like that. But the strip will outlast its derivative products. In the end I don't think it will matter that much.

>>150025458 (OP)
>Even if Billy here wanted to change his position on merchandising, his comic strip hasn't been relevant in decades.
Do you find any irony in the fact that you b claim that no one cares, yet there they are asking him, and here to are reporting on it?

>>150039381
>its not about me its about him supporting his family
But it IS about you. He and his family are well-off and don't need any more money.
>im sure some of the makers get sued or whatever but then two more will take their place
Good: if they get sued, then Watterson gets more money. If more take their place, then even more money. I thought that's what you wanted for him?
Or maybe some enthusiasts doing it for fun, instead of a media conglomerate doing it for money, are exactly what he intended.

>>150025458 (OP)
Holy fucking BASED Bill making IP vultures SETHE.

>>150041045
Why would greed be good? Genuinely trying to understand a position that feels outlandish to me. Do you mean it in an Ayn Rand way?

>>150025458 (OP)
i'm not against his thinking but he went overboard when he started burning his paintings because people were selling them as "made by the creator of c&h", like come on.

>>150045290
>he started burning his paintings because people were selling them as "made by the creator of c&h"
Where'd that story come from?

>>150045227
More consumption = more jobs

>>150025508
Peanuts was never good

>>150045330
from an old interview. here's a source that talks about it:
https://www.dailycartoonist.com/index.php/2009/08/13/review-looking-for-calvin-and-hobbes/
apparently he also burned them because he felt they weren't good enough.

>>150045227
You’d have to believe you’re somehow giving people something by ruthlessly taking from them to rationalize that

>>150045394
That article relays the story about him burning his early paintings because he thought they weren't good enough; it doesn't say anything about him burning paintings "because people were selling them as 'made by the creator of c&h.'"

>>150045440
that's what i read from when the interview was out but i can't find it. maybe i misremembered, but no big deal.

>>150045198
>Good: if they get sued, then Watterson gets more money
i assure you most go unnoticed and dont get sued

He sustains himself with the blood of the innocent. If he made Michael Jackson money people would notice all the campers that go missing in his area.

>>150025458 (OP)
>people like thing for being clever
>/co/: "THING ACTUALLY SUCKS AND IS OVERRATED"
Every time

>>150028491
>is tortured by her affection for Charlie Brown that she's never able to express properly.
To be fair, this wasn't very consistent in the original strips either. There are probably thousands of Patty strips where this doesn't come up at all.

Bill Watterson did nothing wrong.
Jim Davis also did nothing wrong.

>>150044489
>This will 100% happen if he tries to give the family estate rights to his comic after he passes, this happens every single time

You know Christopher Tolkien got a lot of flak for his view on the movies, but he never sold out to Amazon

>>150045649
That's not being inconsistent it's being NOT ONE NOTE. A character doesn't have to do their shtick every single time they show up.

>>150026740
>>150027813
>>150035640

Same kinda loser who berates Alan Moore in the monthly anti-moore thread, they'd give their left nut to be in a position to kiss a big company's ass and it breaks their brain to see someone who refused

>>150025458 (OP)
There's kind of a lose-lose bargain when it comes to engaging with capitalism as a creative.
If you go after the money, there's always this undercurrent of feeling like a sellout, as if monetizing a thing ironically cheapens it. If you make money off of a thing, then there will always be an inherently mercantile aspect to it. Can your customers trust that you actually have something legitimately resonant to say to them, or is it just a ploy to take their cash? Can you trust yourself to stay true to your vision, or do you think--consciously or not--you'll subtly temper your work for the cash?
On the other hand, let's say you stand on principle and refuse the temptations of money. Well, this is the economic version of cutting yourself. It's an expression of angst, and the only person it ultimately hurts is the creator. You're selling yourself short; creating art for free is like working at McDonalds for free. Even if you're a legit commie, you really want to just slave away for a system that's not going to get you anything in return? Not to mention the practical benefits of making money; you can reinvest it into better tools, better outreach, grow your profile, reach more people. And what is art but an attempt to reach people? Taking the money can also be seen as an expression of self-respect. An engineer doesn't do it for free because he knows that his labor is worthwhile. Refusing to profit from your own labor is thus similar to saying that you believe your craft is worthless, or, inversely, that you're such a narcissist that you won't take the money out of pride because you think it's priceless.
Personally I think you should just quite being an idiot and take the money. At some point, getting lost in a rabbit whole of angst is a self-sabotaging waste. You do have to ride a line where you're not making money a priority, but turning your nose up at the money is selling yourself short, literally.

>>150025508
>>150029615
Interestingly enough, Sparky was never really personally interested in merchandising, so heavily valued his craftsmanship over the strip that merchandising matters was simply little of his business.
For the first 10 years of the strip, the syndicate didn't actively seek out licensing opportunities, it was oriented around the syndicate being approached with Ford ads and such. In a sense, Peanuts ran longer than Calvin and Hobbes without actively pursuing licensing, it took until 1962 with Determined Productions ("Happiness is a Warm Puppy") actively creating opportunities. It was really until 1974 Sparky started to reign in licensing madness thru various mechanisms.

>>150025508
Hairy semitic hands typed this post.

>>150045349
And that's good how? We're already neck-deep in overconsumption, with landfills of unworn clothes literally miles wide.
You can also state less efficiency = more jobs. If everyone worked on one foot with their arms tied behind them, everyone would have a job.
It's such a retarded take I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it.

>>150045562
Oh well, if you assure me of it, I stand corrected, you must be right.

>>150046360
do it yourself. google calvin and hobbes merch and you will find all kinds of stuff available for sale

>>150046231
Doubt Watterson gives a shit what people say about it nor did that immature angst factor in. Like any artist he simply focused on his goals and achieved them. He did sell his work, made a good steady living at it, and was so successful he could refuse to make deals that contradicted his values. Total artist win.

There's this old story about a fisherman. Everyday the fisherman would wake up early, go out on his bought and catch fish to sell for the day. Then he would come home spend time with his family, and then relax looking out at the sea. One day a smartly dressed business man came to town and he met with the fisherman. He said "With my help I can turn your one man fishing business into a thriving business empire." The fisherman thought a bit, then looked to the businessman and asked "And then what?" the businessman was shocked. "What then you can do anything you wanted. Everything you ever wanted." The fisherman heard this, nodded and smiled "But I already do."

>>150025458 (OP)
>He's making threads again
Did Bill Watterson fuck your wife? If not, then please shut the fuck up

>>150025458 (OP)
Bill Watterson is the greatest filter on /co/. The fact he stands by his principles of not selling out makes so many people seethe, just confirms /co/ is filled to the brim with creatively bankrupt consoomers.
This is why this board has no culture. It's just consoomers wanting to consoom more product and be excited for the next product.

>>150046481
There's an opportunity cost at play. It could have been bigger, done better, been more popular, reached more kids, but he decided to cut off his nose to spite his face instead.
I wasn't even aware C&H existed until I was already an adult.

>>150046568
No board has a culture.

Bottom text.

>>150046583
>The fact that he didn't cater to me specifically meant that he cut off his nose to spite his face

If you say so man. Honestly I doubt Watterson even knows about who you are.

>>150046583
It could have been bigger and more popular - but hardly. It's one of the best-known comics worldwide. I'm French and still read most of them before I was 10.
Maybe it could have been done better, but I fail to see how merchandising would have helped that. It could have been nothing but a hindrance.
He did not cut off his nose to spite his face: he refused invasive surgery on his nose because he was happy with it.

>>150046261
It's really hard to think that there was a time when the Peanuts comic was actually good and interesting enough to merit this level of bullshit that spawned from it. Comic always seemed kind of bland.

>>150025458 (OP)
He was right
He was based
His comics remain goated

>>150025508
>He's just running your typical self-sabotaging commie
this is a bot post isn't it

>>150046568
Some of us come to discuss our hobbies not make "the next epic meme".

>>150046583
Yeah, he has what he wants, not what you want.

I never liked C&H so if anything I’m glad I don’t have to see his characters anywhere outside of book stores and the occassional unlicensed peeing Calvin decal.

>>150045822
Most the important rights being sold out few years before they would have passed onto the estate makes it easier to not sell out whatever was remaining.
In this case the estate will have huge financial incentives signing off on merch or animated adaptions even 30 years past when it concluded.

Why have the jews run psyops on this man on /co/ for the last seemingly 8 years?

>>150047695
It is genuinely one obsessed guy that constantly posts about this. You can go back in archives and see him post about this for years. I genuinely think it's autism because I have no idea how someone can be so obsessed with something so insignificant for so long

>>150025458 (OP)
>Unlicenses your merch

>>150046947
It only seems bland because Peanuts frequently layered the humor under subtlety and double meaning. The same types of people who don’t think Peanuts was engaging compared to other strips (read: imitations) are the same type of people who reduce Peanuts down to, “Haha grill pull foofball away from Charlie Brown xD”

Watterson didn’t want to deal with the hassle of running a Paws Inc style operation. There were logistical aspects to his decisions, not just ideological ones.

>>150042728
He wasn't rich at the start of Calvin and Hobbes which makes this more impressive.

>>150045822
And he got posthumously vindicated 100% given how they descended like the vultures they are on his estate and perpetrated the atrocity that is Rings Of Power.

>>150049147
Rings of power is actually good th-

Pffffffffft ahahahaha, nah man I can't even troll about that. Fucking hell that series is ass.

>>150049187
You know what I do appreciate though? There's like NO controversy about it at all. This isn't like Star Wars where some people try to defend it. Like EVERYONE calls it shit. Even reddit.

>>150025508
>Communism is when the creator control his intellectual propriety

>>150040664
OP you're a fucking retard. Get mental help.

>>150025508
>Peanuts mugs don't "diminish" Peanuts in any way.
So you claim. You are wrong.

>>150050215
>communism is when individuals have property rights instead of corporations.

>>150046583
>I wasn't even aware C&H existed until I was already an adult.
That means you weren't born during its original run.

>>150047737
Is this the same autist that spent years making topics about how Calvin and Susie would not get together as adults?

>>150045649
In truth Peppermint Patty was supposed to be a new comic strip CS wanted to launch but had to fill into Peanuts because no one wanted it. It's why she and Marcie (and later Franklin) play on a rival baseball team, go to a different school and why nearly all of Patty"s stories have her isolated from the rest of the cast and why she rarely if ever interacts with Sally, Lucy, Linus, and Schroeder

>>150051029
>why she rarely if ever interacts with Sally, Lucy, Linus, and Schroeder
Huh. Now that you mention it.... I think I saw her talk to Linus like ONCE.

>>150051938
It was the famous series of strips where PP understands why Chuck is in love with the Little Red Haired Girl and thinks she'll never be that pretty until Linus gives her a smooch to boost her confidence

>>150051029
I also recall that when Watterson reviewed the Schulz biography he said he would have liked to see more about why certain characters took over the strip every decade (Patty and Marcie in the '70s, maybe Spike in the '80s, definitely Rerun in the '90s) and speculated that it was because Schulz was trying to keep the strip fresh and not get bogged down by the formula.

Watterson preferred the 1960s Peanuts (while respecting the later years) when it was almost entirely focused on Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Linus and Lucy, and I think that may be part of the explanation for why he chose to give C&H such a limited cast -- no character except Calvin, his parents, Hobbes and Susie ever became a true regular.

The trade-off for this is that the strip was unsustainable and he had clearly run out of story ideas by the time he chose to end it, but the upside is that he never had to change the strip in a fundamental way to keep it going.

>>150025458 (OP)
The world is already lame and gay enough without C&H funko pops thank you very much.

>>150029133
Well done anon.
You managed to make a YABBA post that didn't get a smile or giggle out of me.
Shame on you.

>>150025508
you know you're fucked up when the sight of people with integrity fills you with disgust

>>150026740
they're demons wanting to drag people down to their level

>>150025458 (OP)
What else are we going to do about it?

>>150052427
>no character except Calvin, his parents, Hobbes and Susie ever became a true regular.
he tried experimenting with an uncle, saying he had big ideas about visiting the uncle on weekends and such
but he said that there wasnt much narrative potential to him after he was used and it was awkward he could never refer to his sibling and in-law by name
so he was written out after one arc

fans do see it as a mistake, since his uncle was one of the few characters in the strip who was really sympathethic to calvin and seemingly understood what calvin was going through

These threads are a gift from heaven, literally Watterson cultists vs C&H fans and for us haters it's a real (you)topia.

>>150025458 (OP)
In one hand I want a Calvin and Hobbs figurine, some characters I like have barely any merch. (Pic related) But at the same time I respect him sticking to his principles.

I mean, Calvin and Hobbs have very distinct voices in my head when I read it. If an animated series came out, well, that’s the voice and the one I imagine no longer exists.

>>150045562
Man, no one really sued over this? We’re not talking some girl at an anime convention selling fan art at some booth. I’m surprised he didn’t make some kind of lawsuit over this.

These threads aren't the same without the deranged rants about immortality.

>>150056703
thats what he gets for not licensing it himself. there is clearly demand. people gonna people man. its probably even worse now that the internet is in everyones pockets

>>150025508
>It's just irrational

the words of a soul whose only belief is gold
you are worthless

>>150029886
Give it another 30 years and no one but the elderly will know of Calvin and Hobbes.

>>150025458 (OP)
The only thing he has to do is make sure there’s physical copies and reprints of his work, maybe some deluxe editions, that way his work is remembered. Besides that it doesn’t matter

>>150058060
Jucika

>>150030565
Thank you Santa Claus.

>>150058060
The comic collections are still in rotation

>>150025458 (OP)
Go home Scott Adams. You're drunk.

>>150025458 (OP)
People should be allowed to do whatever they want with the things they create and own the ideas for. If you're so desperate bootlegs always exist and go against his morals of integrity anyways so he can't stop it, and if you care more about the ip than using it decoration you would respect the author's wishes. He's basically declining what's in his eyes an unnecessary collaboration to an end he doesn't care about.

>>150058060
>"Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair."

>>150025458 (OP)
> Seething merchandise shill

>>150026323
That's the only time parody law was whatever in U.S. history, I assume because some jew was mad he wouldn't sell out

>>150027676
It's pretty based. Especially when you realize that mind set exists and the people who have it froth at the mouth when they're confronted with someone who rejects it.

>>150029133
> And those tens of thousands of factory workers, merchandisers, artists, toy designers, and retail workers... They'll be good, honest White folks from the United States of America, right? Because that would be just swell! They've been needing a break for years, now, and this could really turn it around. Yes, Sir! Real good ol' boys with their heads on straight, and from wholesome homes. Guys that could be my brother, or friend, or cousin, or heck, even me if things had worked out a little-

> Oh. You say, they won't? They won't be? Are you sure? Well, who will they be, then? Come on, speak up, now.

> They're WHAT!?

>>150030565
Based

>>150029133
>Sorry, little Qing Chang, but Watterson declined to make an endless amount of cheap, flimsy, chinese slop.
>We'll have to shut down the entire factory and eat the plastic just to survive.
>It will be a harsh winter.

>>150025458 (OP)
Why is he like this?

>>150025458 (OP)
>this autist again
Tell us, OP. What are your thoughts on Susie?

Everyday I hope he'll concede like Robert Fripp did to music streaming

Does he have any kids? What happens to the IP when he dies?

>>150060421
He has a daughter. I'm sure she'll, like, totally respect his wishes and stuff, even if someday she needs the cash BAD.

>>150060310
He's not aware that characters eventually enter public domain lol.

>>150056720
QRD

>>150060452
There was a guy who used to post about how much he hated Bill Waterson because he wasn't merchandising C&H with the intention of funnelling all that money into life-extending research. Most of the time, he'd only post once or twice about Bill (mostly about how he could 'live to be 150 if he wasn't so foolish) before devolving into arguments about how we're only twenty years away from technology that would let us live long enough to reach 'true' immortality, and how it's selfish to not fund things like cryostasis or stem cell rejuvenation.
It became really obvious after just a couple of posts that it was all just his way of coping with his impending mortality.

>>150025458 (OP)
i was super fucking stoked to just find at some antique store mall thing like 4 of the original collection books that looked completely untouched. someone put that clear plastic cover stuff on the outside, so not quite perfect, but the owner never even creased the edges or anything. they apparently never even read them. and the publication dates were both my sisters and my own birth dates (91 for me). paid 8 bucks per book. crazy find.

>>150060642
Probably a lesswrong schizo

>>150060666
That's cool, anon!

>>150060447
Eh, you never know. Matt Salinger has been a good steward of his dad's work, as was Christopher Tolkien.

>>150025458 (OP)
>continues to repost this thread because he's mad he can't buy a Calvin & Hobbes shirt.

The one thing I don’t get is, why does it need to be official merch? Why can’t people subside on the plentiful amount of unofficial merch? People have made fan products of a lot of different things you can go online and buy right now, you can get a shirt with them on it, you can get figures and plushies
If you want a Calvin and Hobbes shelf alongside the books you can get enough stuff for one. So why does it need to be “officially licensed” products?

>>150061251
Because it has nothing to do with actually having access to C&H merch. It's all about the guy that refused to sell out being anathema to people that make MORE MONEY their whole raison de vivre

>>150025632
This. If Calvin and Hobbes was everywhere in pop culture like Gardfield, we'd have retarded ironic memes about it like all that shit where Garfield's a demon terrorizing Jon and stuff. There'd also be tons of soulless movies with celebrity voice actors that flop and are forgotten like the one with Chris Pratt last year.

>>150056243
The older I get the less I feel like I even want merch. What I like are the stories so long as the books themselves are in print I think I'm happy.

>>150030565
holy shit a garden gnome

How do you pronounce Hobbes?

>>150064547
Rhymes with knobs

>>150064547
Like Thomas Hobbes.

>>150063231
Same. My mentality at this point is that merch would just take up space and I need the money for more important stuff anyways.

>>150067004
Plus with the way shit costs not my thinking is, I could pay out the ass for a Spider-man action figure or I could has that money to by a stack of his actual fucking comics.

>>150060966
thanks : )

What he show us?

>>150040794
>most people will deride you for not being "normal" and demand you conform or else you'll be harassed.
I can assure you that those people consider the people they target to be the "mindless masses" that you see them as. Both of you see each other the same way.

>>150025458 (OP)
Does there seriously not exist another photo of this man??

...So what does being a sellout mean?

>>150071596
Losing the integrity you once had for vast amounts of money.

Walmart is one example I can think of, it used to be a family owned retail chain. The man who owned it ran it pretty well did a lot of stuff and was also a bit of a cheap skate. He drove the same old beat up barely drive able pick up truck until he passed away.

After he passed his kids decided to sell the whole thing and you can actually see Walmart slowly become the mess it is today because of it.

>>150025508
>>150025535
>>150025588
Shut up Elon.

>>150025458 (OP)
>Listen up chud just because I'm trans, doesn't mean I'm just a homosexual man
Acksister... yes it does.

>>150025458 (OP)
>xitter thread

>>150025458 (OP)
Continues to be based.

>>150025508
i would say the perceived devaluing depend on the property. when i see peanuts selling insurance or muppets advertising cars, that makes me think less of the companies that own those franchises and worse of the advertised products, and not the peanuts and muppets. but if shit like the nfl or call of duty is blazed all over with rick and morty and mountain dew i definitely think worse of the companies AND the franchises

>>150025458 (OP)
I would buy a Hobbes plushie if it was perfectly like the original when he isn't "alive"

>>150025458 (OP)
Only already affluent artists can even afford to choose whether they want merchandising or not, who cares.

>>150025508
Yeah, it's just basic moralfaggotry pretending the art itself isn't already inherently a commodity to be put on the market and to attract an audience as well. "Selling out" isn't a real thing, anything else is just coping by philosophizing.

>>150045562
>$50 t-shirt
Its like they think I can't just copy and paste the picture and have a "sample" of the shirt custom made for me for $20
$25 if I want a hoodie or a high quality shirt

>>150074442
Lol keep telling yourself that, Mr. Watterson

>>150050866
Yes

>>150056243
Hobbes's voice in the Robot Chicken parody sounds almost exactly how I imagined him sounding in my head.
https://youtu.be/jeWf0o6uqKE

>>150030666
>>150036439
>Seething and proving >>150030565's point
He didn't even have to wear the hat lmao

>>150071596
When your greed overcomes your principles and morality.

>>150075970
Come up with your own work to profit off of, then you won’t need to convince an artist to sign that deal

>>150074442
This is all there is to it, really. If you believe you're choosing to compromise your integrity, you ARE choosing to compromise your integrity. It doesn't matter how many people stand off to the side and offer rationalizations.

As far as C&H merchandise goes, when I was a kid I made my own transmogrifier with a cardboard box and some crayons. That was enough.

>>150025508
My issue is that the only people I see praising him for this are usually leftists, so I have a feeling there's something more to this. He should do merchandising because leftists will eat him up the moment he makes a mistake

>>150079021
Childhood wonder wins every time. The first time I saw snow, I tried my best to make some snow goons.

>>150078634
>this form of profiting is le good
>this other profit is le parasite rent seeking etc etc
Sorry, I'm not a Hitlerite.

I don't care about taking a stance between the petite-bourgeois and the big bourgeois.

>>150041757
68 is old, faggot. stop crying

>>150079819
Drawing and selling your own comic is exactly the same as giving your IP over to commercial systems of mass production that fuck over millions of people and trash our home, you got me.

>>150036545
Anon, he HAS his golden ticket. He KNOWS he could have MOAR MONEY!, but he's happy with what he has.
The fact that this is incomprehensible to you says a lot about how late-stage capitalism has poisoned your mind.

>>150079053
It’s easy for them to spin it as some anti-capitalist triumph, that’s why. You shouldn’t let the occasional alignment of opinion with people you don’t like stop you from having good sense. It’s his property, he can do with it as he pleases. That should be the end of the story.

I don't care. He did good.

>>150025458 (OP)
>makes enough to live comfortably for the rest of his life
>retains the soul of his work
The best result you could expect to have as an artist.

hack knows his shit wouldn't have an audience today and his ego can't take it.

>>150082499
Congrats, this is the most retarded take I've read. You have no idea how big C&H was as a comic strip alone, retarded fucking zoomer

>>150029823
>>150029891
That's on HB and WB for not producing cartoons. The whole world knows Scooby-Doo is a cartoon.

I already own the Mystry Machine, and I'm hoping the Haunted Mansion gets a discount so I can buy it. I had some of the monsters and Pirate Shaggy; all I'm missing is a Scooby.

I really want the whole line, but with their prices, it might be better to look at Ali for similar theme sets and buy the gang in different versions.

>>150025458 (OP)
Didnt he come from a rich family ?

>>150080466
Nice, now you've made the "support le small businesses" argument. I don't care about your moral retardation.

>commercial systems of mass production that fuck over millions of people and trash our home
This is literally capitalism as a whole and trying to disconnect one part from the entire system makes you even more retarded. Also now the argument is not profit itself but about scale? Get it right you vibes-based moron.

>>150084255
Unsurprisingly, especially when it comes to old school artists. You think some immiserated wagie would hesitate choosing between being able to eat or not "selling out"?

>>150084255
>>150084563
Trust fund babies are scum. I've never met one I would pull out of quicksand.

>>150086156
>trust fund baby decides he doesn't want more money
>he's now a horrible person
i suppose its better if he continued trying to be a parasite

>>150060447
the creator of winnie the pooh's son hated that his childhood was basically used for profit
even if his family was wealthy, the burden of having your life be public was hard on him. he at least doesn't talk very fondly of the experience
but he did end up seeing the money as a mixed blessing when it help pay for his daughters disability

so its kind of hard to think about if selling out is the right thing to do. i guess in the long run it was. but the idea of something innocent be commercialized isn't very nice to think about either

>>150025485
>why shouldnt his absolute dedication to his own beliefs over a boatload of cash be anything other than a triumph?
because morons like OP are wageslaves. the idea of "not caring about money" is as alien to them as the idea of "not associating internet life with real life" to a zoomer. they cannot phantom a life with dependency to these addictives.
>>150025508
>self-sabotaging
you are the type of retard that argues piracy hurt sales, jesus

>>150076875
I hate how every Robot Chicken joke is just "What if childhood cartoon or comic, but EDGY?"

>>150025473
Conflicting philosophies. John Calvin believed everything was already laid out by God and Thomas Hobbes believed we existed as a society specifically by our own actions. It also outlines the nature of their debates.

>>150025458 (OP)
I agree he went too far. I believe he could have the same effect with "all merchandising can only reflect comic strips that have already run in print" so the shirts could be simple white shirts with a comic on them like those Far Side shirts that got big in the 1990s. Imagine if they had full sized posters of some of the Sunday strips or bumper stickers of relatable weekday strips. It wouldn't be selling out because the merchandise would have to submit to his vision and not the other way around (all of the Snoopy "Joe Cool" crap comes to mind.)

>>150025458 (OP)
The Mysteries sucked.

talentless wage slaves view people not willing to make as much money with their talent as an insult to their lack of talent and not a show of integrity

Billy Ol' Boy ain't ever gonna budge, is he?

>>150071596
When the merch you shill goes against the spirit of the property. Like the Lorax selling SUVs.

It's totally bizarre to me that anyone not set to make money from C&H merchandise would be angry that Bill Watterson chose not to merchandise. On some level I have trouble believing that those people aren't just trolling.

>>150089563
Elaborate on why is that sucked?

>>150027676
Modern people have been so buck broken by greed that being satisfied with your lot in life is literally incomprehensible to them.

>>150030011
Not at the same scale official merchandisers could

Also
>we
Okay Mr factory owner whatever you gotta tell 4chan to get street cred

>>150025485
because the weak hate the strong they stare up at him with tears in their eyes and see him do something they never could

>>150060741
Thank god for AI chatbots giving those retards an outlet that keeps them from shitting up 4chan

https://www.reddit.com/r/calvinandhobbes/comments/1m8j09a/the_post_i_hoped_to_avoid_the_end_of_ch_subreddit/
I get not wanting the comic commercialized with products but why would they try to censor it off the internet?
Do they just want no one to get into this comic? Because the huge restrictions on viewing even individual comics in the internet age will mean that entire generations will never read it if they can’t even see parts of it

>>150087754
What makes gen xers like this?

>>150096431
Cynical about everything. The American dream collapsed in front of their eyes as they were growing up and now they're jaded and nihilistic, and raising their kids, zoomers, to be the same way.

Weird thread. Threads like these remind us all that all it takes is one dedicated autist to keep necrobumping a thread long after the conversation has gone in circles and dried up.