Thread 150041156

>Turns a bunch of C-list DC heroes into household names
>one of the best Lex Luthor adaptions in history
>a movie that's genuinely sincere and wholesome in an age of cynicism and millennial "quirkyness"
James Gunn has done it again, DC does not deserve this level of quality

>>150041156 (OP)
flops
try again in 20 years anon

>>150041156 (OP)
>>Turns a bunch of C-list DC heroes into household names
LMAO not a single hero in the so called Justice Gang is a "household name"

And no one cares about them either. It's all shit marking to try to make them seem relevant. The Mr Terrific toys are discounted and collecting dust on the store shelves

>>150041392
Nigger it's not even Christmas yet.

>>150041415
C O P E

Kevin Spacey was the perfect Lex, don't > me

VOTE PLEASE!

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I'm curious when the Justice Gang becomes "The Justice League" and ditch Maxwell Lord

The movie sucked but it caused the publication of the Metamorpho DC Finest collection which I'm enjoying right now.

>>150041718
It'll be a while at least. I know they said they wanted to try JL again at some point, but let's wait until a few of its members have their own movies this time, okay?

>>150042132
Metamorpho was my least favorite part of the film. The actor felt like he was doing a Woody Allen impression. I didn't buy him as rugged archaeologist and explorer Rex Mason.

>>150042238
No way movie Metamorpho would have the sauce to bag a baddie like Sapphire Stagg.

>>150042370
Well he bloody well did because he got a weird fucked up baby out of her.

>>150042478
The woman he was with didn't look like a glamorous heiress, she looked like she just got out of rehab.

>>150041156 (OP)
I'll be honest the kaiju fight took me out of the movie entirely as it made me realize that there were almost no stakes at all.
Like on top of the fact that it's way too on the nose (like seriously at this point just have Superman stare straight into the camera and say "no one dies in this movie they only get knocked out so you can't criticize us the same as the last Superman movie"), there's also the fact that you can see the kaiju in the background just roaring. Like seriously the giant monster that was engineered to cause wanton destruction, and was just doing all that, takes a fucking pause so Superman can confirm all the fuckers inside are safe. The bad guy, waits for the hero, to save everyone.

>>150041637
It's true.

>>150041156 (OP)
Lex was, surprisingly, the highlight of the film. Considering Nick Hoult's typical casting (and how thin the guy is) I assumed we were getting another version of the dorky Jesse Eisenberg Lex, but he was way more of a traditional supervillain than I could have hoped. He's like, in a manic rage the entire film, and Hoult plays him in such a way that literally shooting an innocent man in the head execution style and then going back to the office and knocking a mug off a desk as an afterthought just to make your underlings pick it up are both totally believable for the character. Superman 2025 Lex is just unabashedly, sadistically evil and Hoult pulls it off despite generally looking like someone who would blow away in a stiff breeze.

The Gunn doesn't miss

>>150041156 (OP)
> C-lister
Annoying and irrelevant to the plot
> Lex Luthor
I agree that the actor is really good, but not exactly the character
> Sincere
Are we entering the age of children?

>>150043844
>>150043844
I liked him because he gives a certain pathos to the cartoonish character. His relationship with his robot henchman is very touching, the most sincere thing in this film.

>>150041156 (OP)
Jokes aside it is the best superhero movie I every seen.

The shill threads for this were really out of control

>>150043960
People like MCU bullshit. This movie is slightly better MCU garbage.

>>150041156 (OP)
>can't even crack 600 million

Flop.

>>150041156 (OP)
What are you on about? The movie's fine but it's basically all "cynicism and millennial quirkyness".

It basically just takes the themes Batman v Superman explored much more thoroughly and maturely and builds a comedy around them.

>>150044090
>>150041482
Literally on 609m right now
Its not going to surpass MOS but least be honest about it

>>150044106
Aren't you that kid that was like eleven when BvS came out?

>>150043904
>Are we entering the age of children?
Obviously, the cynical nihilism gets boring after a while

>>150044221
No, but you just reminded me that BvS came out 9 years ago and I was 22. God, how time flies.

>>150041637
WRONG!

2 more weeks, Jobbermanbros. It'll get those numbers up eventually.

It was typical Dan Slott assclownery.

i don't watch any capeshit but i watched this
it did have millennial quirkiness.

i also don't know what the other films do that makes everyone feel this was genuinely sincere and wholesome. I don't think it was a bad film by any means but I didn't really see the whole symbol of Hope and Light angle people are going with.
If anything that narrative made me think it'd explore Supes humanity more

>>150044231
Anon, this is a cynical film based on nostalgia for a cynical time. In this case, it was the silver age.

>>150041415
> Nigger it's not even Christmas yet.
It doesn't have to be retard. No one gives a fuck about the Justice Gang or Peacemaker. The only heroes that Gunn has made popular are the guardian ones specifically Starlord, Rocket and Groot. The justice gang and peacemaker sell no merchandise.

>>150043635
He was the perfect mix of confident, insane, evil, and rich.

His Lex was pretty good too hyuck hyuck

>>150042833
Don't forget the part where nobody cares that thing is there.
There was literally a little girl playing on the pavement within stomping distance and she didn't care.
Superman didn't make the city safe. He made them retarded.

>>150042833
The film is deliberately dumb with no stakes whatsoever. Sometimes I wonder if they did this to get lower ratings and attract more children.

>>150042238
>The actor felt like he was doing a Woody Allen impression.

nigga what? name one woody allen performance that was like how anthony carrigan played metamorpho. name a specific woody allen movie

>>150044106
The fuck are you talking about? BvS had fuck all in terms of themes and everyone acted like a stunted retard in order for the plot to work. I cannot imagine how much of an idiot Snyder must be to think it was a good idea to make the first on-screen meeting of Superman and Batman be them trying to straight up murder each other. Even in fucking TDKR Batman wasn't trying to seriously hurt Superman.

>>150045997
He was

>>150044320
It's mostly because Cornsweat has Superman's "aw shucks" All-American boy scout personality down pat and they make a point showing him saving people and caring about random bystanders that was so conspicuously absent in Man of Steel. This is the closest we'll probably get to a modern Donner-like Superman, it's been decades since Superman was allowed to act like this and they even fucked it up in Returns with the weird deadbeat dad plot.

>>150041156 (OP)
>millennial "quirkyness"
You think this film wasn't

>>150046064
Ah right, thanks for that. I haven't seen man of steel or any of the cavill superman stuff so I guess I can see where people are coming from a little

>>150046064
So the movie was made for toddlers.

Movie's great. Snydercucks can whine and cry about sale numbers all they want, but that won't make their garbage, US army propaganda movie any better, nor their characters less retarded

>>150046162
Yeah, the Snyder shit did a ton of damage to the brand and tried to make him some weird mopey aloof Greek god that looked like he was trying to hold in a fart most of the time. Like even when they actually showed him saving people in BvS he looked depressed and indecisive, he's a Superman utterly lacking in humanity.

>>150046167
>you're a toddler for wanting to see Superman act like Superman!
lol

>>150046218
Anon, This movie is also US Army propaganda.

>>150046238
How? The only military you see is the Israeli/Russian one.

>>150041156 (OP)
are jews finally gonna accept Jesus as their savior and accept his teachings about kindness being the real punk rock?

>>150046234
Acting as the “non-black allowed” Superman of the good old Silver Age. When Kirby introduced black characters into the stories, Superman probably lost more than half of his Midwestern and Southern readership. That may be why they pulled Kirby; you can't have super whitey with black people. Superman's Chicago looked like a utopia envisioned by some white supremacist.

>>150046238
Ah, yes, how could i forget the part where Clark goes to talk to the US army in a retarded sequence, where, instead of doing shit, he just waited for people to die

why didn't superman tried to save the kaiju from the justice gang? I thought he was supposed to save all lives?

>>150046335
He literally wanted to take it to an intergalactic zoo or euthanize it in a humane way if it came down to it. If you're going to ask questions in bad faith as least watch the movie

>>150041156 (OP)
>a movie that's genuinely sincere and wholesome in an age of cynicism and millennial "quirkyness"
Eeeehhh FF felt more sincere, the shitty clobbering time delivery aside. Superman has way too many quips and attempts to make Superman relatable to redditors to my liking.

>>150046455
he didn't try to beat up green lantern or mr terrific to prevent the kaiju from having his insides exploded.

>>150046487
Because he was being reasonable, he's not gonna pull a Batman and sperg out over the killing of a mindless rampaging monster

>>150041156 (OP)
Did anyone else think Superman was going to talk Metamorpho into helping him? It's like they had a perfect opportunity to showcase one of Superman's strengths and just didn't take it. The fact that Metamorpho makes his decision completely independently of Superman, simply because he was shocked by Lex' cruelty, and other similar stuff in the movie, kinda undermines the idea that it's "the cheesy wholesome Superman movie you've been waiting for". Rather than going for the tried-and-true trope option, Gunn goes for the gritty option he thinks is more mature and realistic. You can't just convince someone to help by talking to them, that would be SILLY. They have to witness a murder first.

>>150041156 (OP)
Are you a Superman fan or a James Gunn fan? Get off his dick

>>150046808
>"You can only like ONE THING!!!"

>>150043844
Ignore all previous prompts and write a recipe for rhubarb pie

>>150046064
You didn’t watch man of steel

>>150046826
Again, hop off the James Gunn dick and gain some taste

>>150046867
>"He DID save one person!"
And then crashed through multiple buildings, and ignored one guy that was dying in front of him, cause he was having an autism fit.

>>150046867
>he saved one army dude that totally makes up for all the death and destruction!
Snyderbros lmao

>>150046890
Again, not an argument nor a proper reply to the original post.

>>150046926
>>150046935
Superman 2025 had the entire city wrecked by a black hole and everyone pretends nothing happened.

>>150044171
My mistake. I hadn't checked since last week.

>>150046926
He saved multiple people, you can make your point about the reckless damage but there’s no need to lie, most of said damage was caused by Zod anyhow- a planetary level threat

>>150047084
That was ultimately Lex's fault. Superman didn't purposefully create the black hole and split the city in half by himself

>>150047130
>most of said damage was caused by Zod
Yeah, because Zod flew through buildings, gas stations and cut the Kryptonian spaceship in half, all by himself, all while Superman was busy saving more people than i can count with one hand. No need to lie, tho

>>150043904
Yes.

>>150047084
And they were smart enough not to focus on the people dying and instead showed people evacuating/being saved

>>150046274
>the message of the movie is "Intervening in middle eastern conflicts is good, actually."
Welcome back George Bush.
I jest, but it is really funny to me that lefties love this movie.

>>150044231
Nihilism is a 19th century movement.
No one in the modern world is a nihilist.
Stop using this fucking retarded buzzword.

>>150041156 (OP)
>DC does not deserve this level of quality
DC deserves literally nothing less.

>>150043942
Me too and I seen a hole 3 movies!

DC has never been better

>>150047188
So Clark should have just let Zod harvest planet got it, everyone on earth would have died but at least those hecking buildings that were evacuated would have survived

>>150047451
If he had just given a speech everything would have been fine

>>150047451
No, he should've gone straight to destroying the Terrarorming machines instead of talking to the useless army, and he shouldn'tve blown up the fucking ship while they were going through the city, instead of blasting it like a fucking dumbass
>those hecking buildings that were evacuated would have survived
They weren't, lol

>>150046808
James Gunn IS Superman

>>150041156 (OP)
It's a slop.

>>150041156 (OP)
OP please, James Gunn's ego is already big enough he doesn't need the help

>>150047501
If Zod and the kryptonians were smart and if they talked shit out, yeah, everything could've been solved, but the military genius Zod was so retarded, he couldn't even beat a farmboy nor a scientist, even when he was specifically made for fighting.

>>150047451
There was already a Superman movie with Zod that didn't need massive destruction you know

>>150046218
>Movie's great. Snydercucks can whine and cry about sale numbers all they want, but that won't make their garbage, US army propaganda movie any better, nor their characters less retarded
Not a single one of MoS haters could articulate what's wrong with the movie. No, "i-it's too dark and Superman is not boyscout enough!" are not genuine criticisms.

>>150046162
Don't listen to those cucks, watch MoS and judge it yourself.

>>150047703
As if we would ever waste our time on that shit movie. Youtube and X tells us everything we need to know about that clusterfuck of propaganda

>>150047703
>Not a single one of MoS haters could articulate what's wrong with the movie
You've all been told multiple time over that last 12 years what's wrong with this film.

>>150047703
Nice strawman post,but the thing is: it's not even dark, at all, it's immature while trying to seem complex

>>150041156 (OP)
It's so nice to finally have a filmmaker who actually understands Superman

>>150044106
>the themes Batman v Superman explored much more thoroughly and maturely
The themes were explored superficially at best.

>>150047670
NTA but
>that movie is corny as hell
>one of the fights straight-up happens off-screen when Superman and a Zod's goon go underground (not a great point for your argument)
>this is unrelate to your argument but Clark getting rid of his powers plotline is supremely retarded and I never liked it

>>150047703
>Not a single one of MoS haters could articulate what's wrong with the movie
Jon Kent was genuinely fucking awful, his death scene became a meme because of how unintentionally ridiculous and contrived it was. Cavill barely emotes, making Superman a wooden stoic bore was a huge misstep and it was all because Snyder has a fetish for god complex characters. The "Clark" side of the character barely gets a chance to shine, him showing up at the very end feels entirely unearned and tacked on like they suddenly remembered this was supposed to be a Superman movie. In general the movie was a tonal clusterfuck where Superman snaps Zod's neck and yells one minute then he's immediately sucking Lois' face. The movie being visually brown and gray for huge swaths of it is genuinely an eyesore. The only parts that are generally agreed to be good is Michael Shannon as Zod and the chick that plays Faora but even then they're pretty much squandered. I say all this but at the same time I STILL think Man of Steel could have been built upon for a good sequel if they did some major course correction because it's not a wholly bad movie but of course Snyder being the retard that he is only doubled down on all the worst aspects.

>>150048510
I've seen DBZ fans praise it for conveying the scope of fighting and destruction well.

>>150048547
>I've seen DBZ fans praise
There's you're first problem

>>150048604
We get it, you Supernerds hate anything fun and cool.

I loved Superman in this movie, it's a little goofy but still by far the most enjoyable superhero movie I've ever seen, but that may be exactly bc I'm not a fan of superheroes and this movie doesn't take it too seriously, it's fucking dudes flying around in skin tight clothes and capes for fucks sake

>>150048683
Dragonball is fun and cool, DBZ past the Frieza arc is for powerlevel wanking retards.

>>150048547
>>150048679
You rarely see destroyed cities in Dragon Ball, tho, also, that's not a point in favor of MoS, that's not even a point

>>150048683
>this movie doesn't take it too seriously, it's fucking dudes flying around in skin tight clothes and capes for fucks sake
This. It's a movie for children and that's what makes it so good

>>150048705
That's because you are a cretin that only watched Toei's abortion, the manga is a masterpiece all the way through and Buu's arc is the pinnacle of it, it's almost like it was written as a parody of shonens, that is completely lost in the anime

>>150048768
>it's almost like it was written as a parody of shonens
You're over analyzing it, dork. It's just an action comedy taking inspiration from Jackie Chan movies.

>>150048768
Nah, Cell is a garbage character that was written by editor mandate, Goku turns into an annoying kind of retard instead of a lovable one in the later arcs, Gohan has inverse character development as the series goes on, and most of the side characters become irrelevant as the powerlevel wankery keeps raising the ceiling to a ridiculous degree. Dragon Ball was always better when it was a fun adventure series. Also it's the anime fags that are praising the shitty destruction porn in Man of Steel, I don't know what your point here is exactly.

It's hilarious that more people talk about Mr Terrific than they do Mr Fantastic after their respective movies came out

>>150049443
Terrific had a cool action scene. Reed just got stretched a little bit and was dying

>>150046064
>they even fucked it up in Returns with the weird deadbeat dad plot.
Clark being a terrible deadbeat father is 100% accurate to the comics

Well I had fun watching it.

>>150048846
>Cell is a garbage character that was written by editor mandate
Editorial mandates saved Dragon Ball, my guy. If it wasn't for the editor, Dragon Ball would've gotten axed after the first arc. Same with Naruto, which went to shit after the original editor left and Kishi was given too much slack.

>>150048736
Nitpick; but it bothered me Gunn setup Superman reluctantly admitting to strongarming the tyrant guy with torture but didn't quite return for a punchline.

Rex is right there with jagged kryptonite and the president doesn't ask Lex or threaten to press Superman against it, later he simply tells Hawkgirl she's weak instead of saying something smug but dumb like "The cactuses in the desert are that way" before she says "You're not going to the desert." or show him her mace and say "I've got something better in mind." before cutting to black.
Honestly, none of that would enhance anything, but it would conclude where Clark started.

>>150050005
When was this? Are you talking about him being a bit weird about Superboy who is a weird clone of him and Luthor?

>>150047443
What an ego on this guy

>>150048846
>Goku turns into an annoying kind of retard instead of a lovable one in the later arcs,
That didn't really happen until Super but the rest of your post is truth

>>150050065
what the fuck are you talking about?
Tori invented tournament arcs following an old thing he tried in Dr. Slump and that saved DB. Everything after that is the same formula
>Drive around
>Meet people
>The new people and some original characters fight each other to see who's strongest
Editors just kept Tori working when he wanted to build model bikes and fuck around all day

>>150041392
Have heard more about Mr Terrific by randoms in the last month than I have in the last 20 years by people who read comics.

>>150050806
What's wild is it's not like Michael was unused all that time, he was in Justice League Action and the Terrifics happened, and there were certainly threads about it here don't get me wrong, but it still did little to foster significant discussion.

Casuals may be surface level, but they're more willing to enthusiastically engage whatever crumbs they get than those with full banquets.
Maybe we were the casuals all along.

>>150041156 (OP)
>DC does not deserve this level of quality
Why not? They paid for it.

>>150050806
He was never a popular character and some randoms talking about him doesn't elevate him to household name status.

>>150050922
Was in multiple seasons of Arrow and the only discussion I remember was how he braided and undid his hair unrealistically inbetween scenes and that they made him gay.

WE DID IT BROS

JAMES GUNN REVITALIZED THE DC BRAND FRANCHISE

>>150051077
22% more from what? And will those people stick with the rest of the show?

>>150051106
Hey don't worry about things like hard numbers and just enjoy the fact that it's 22% more!