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Anonymous No.150052268 >>150052397 >>150055392 >>150055425 >>150055506 >>150055653 >>150055686 >>150055898 >>150056152 >>150056656 >>150056666 >>150056672 >>150056861 >>150057043 >>150057203 >>150057912 >>150058057 >>150058313 >>150060331 >>150060333 >>150060347 >>150060822 >>150062464 >>150064194 >>150064729 >>150065294 >>150065510 >>150068392
Hercules 1997
I grew up on this movie. Throughly enough greek/roman methodology and history.
I can't stand the FUCKING SINGING.
How do you anons feel about this?
Is there any movie that you akin to this feeling?
Anonymous No.150052365 >>150053330
There are people who want to fuck Hercules.
Anonymous No.150052373 >>150055606 >>150055610 >>150057395
LIKE A SHOOTING STAR
I WILL GO THE DISTANCE
I WILL SEARCH THE WORLD
I WILL FACE ITS HARMS
Anonymous No.150052397 >>150053044
>>150052268 (OP)
I DO like Gospel, so I do liked the songs.
Anonymous No.150053044 >>150053058
>>150052397
I like gospel. I dont like blacks. Simple as
Anonymous No.150053058 >>150053276
>>150053044
Tard
Anonymous No.150053276 >>150053458
>>150053058
Blacks cant sing
Anonymous No.150053330
>>150052365
Where did this come from?
Anonymous No.150053458 >>150053467 >>150055687
>>150053276
Shut yer mouth fag
Anonymous No.150053467 >>150053503
>>150053458
Someones mad
Anonymous No.150053503 >>150053552
>>150053467
You are seething
Anonymous No.150053552 >>150053576
>>150053503
Im drunk and hate black
Anonymous No.150053576 >>150053622
>>150053552
Don't piss
Anonymous No.150053622
>>150053576
Pissing on the floor
Anonymous No.150053702 >>150055115 >>150055361 >>150056656 >>150073559 >>150075781
I HATE MUSICALS. FUCKING SHIT THE FUCK UP. I HATE YOUR VOICES. YOU CANT SING FOR SHIT. YOU ALL SOUND LIKE STARBUCKS BITCHES TRYING TO GARGGLE DICKS. SHUT UP. I WANT ACTION AND FIGHTING!!!!!
Anonymous No.150055115
>>150053702
Shut up taco
Anonymous No.150055225 >>150055308
making hades a satan stand in was lame.
Anonymous No.150055308 >>150055407
>>150055225
Who could have been the villain?
Anonymous No.150055361 >>150055405 >>150055416 >>150056076 >>150056568
>>150053702
Yeah, Japan doesn't really do musicals.
Anonymous No.150055392
>>150052268 (OP)
You can either eat that chicken sandwich or you can go to BED.
Anonymous No.150055405
>>150055361
But, when they do, it's really something else.
https://youtu.be/iTKMRsiCEVs?si=ZfQhi2FlczRFnTfu
Anonymous No.150055407 >>150055433 >>150055718
>>150055308
kronos and zeus
Anonymous No.150055416 >>150055451 >>150056568
>>150055361
They do stage musicals based on anime.
Anonymous No.150055425
>>150052268 (OP)
I want to see Kratos singing about how he's going to kill Zeus.
Anonymous No.150055433 >>150055507
>>150055407
>God of War scenario
You hack!
At least let it be Echidna.
Anonymous No.150055451
>>150055416
>that Ryuk
Anonymous No.150055475
Motherfucker, it's a Disney cartoon. People are going to fucking sing. It's like complaining about tiddies at Mardi Gras, or Eldritch Horrors and Lake Superior or Rapist Clowns and sewer drains; it's what's going to be THERE you unhinged nigger.
Anonymous No.150055493
the songs are mega based
Anonymous No.150055506
>>150052268 (OP)
Sorry OP it's mint just for
>And they slapped his FACE on every VASE[VACE]-
>On eeeehvery VASE[VAHZ]!!
Anonymous No.150055507
>>150055433
That Knuckles looks weird
Anonymous No.150055599
OP is a faggot who doesnt like herculad
Anonymous No.150055606
>>150052373
basado
Anonymous No.150055610 >>150072049
>>150052373
OH
NO CHANCE, NO WAY, I WON'T SAY IT, NO, NO
YOU SWOON, YOU SIGH, WHY DENY IT? UH, OH
IT'S TOO CLICHร‰, I WONT SAY I'M IN LOVE
SHOO-DO, SHOO-DO, OOH
Anonymous No.150055653 >>150055932
>>150052268 (OP)
The only song I dislike in entire movie is Meg's one because its so sappy and tacky. Also Hades is probably my favorite Disney villain of all time. The most entertaining for sure.
Anonymous No.150055686
>>150052268 (OP)
the songs, specially the intro, are the best thing in this movie
absolute peak
Anonymous No.150055687 >>150055737 >>150060841
>>150053458
If black people are good at anything beside sport is for sure music. Even if you don't like them you shouldn't dismiss talented people just because of their race
Anonymous No.150055718 >>150065855
>>150055407
Why not Hera, she was canonical cunt towards Herc whose only sin against Her was he didn't came out of her womb.
But to be fair her movie design is quite cute...
Anonymous No.150055737 >>150058496
>>150055687
Wrong anon
Anonymous No.150055774
Hercules is a Freddy Got Fingered prequel.
Anonymous No.150055898
>>150052268 (OP)
>I can't stand the FUCKING SINGING.

Self-imposed torture.
Anonymous No.150055932 >>150056006 >>150056053
>>150055653
>Hercules apprehensively: People are going to get hurt, aren't they?
>Hades evasively: NAH, I mean, it's, you know, it's a possibility, it happens, 'cause, you know, it's a war, but what can I tell ya--Anyway...
I know it's not mythologically accurate and all that, but the played straight yet still coy depiction of the villain is up there with Constantine's Lucifer.
Anonymous No.150056006
>>150055932
Absolutely fantastic performance and animation on his side. My only gripe is Pain and Panic, I get he needs some minions to kick around but not sure if we need two spineless evil sidekicks
Anonymous No.150056053
>>150055932
james woods is fucking based
Anonymous No.150056076 >>150056568
>>150055361
I think they do live action musicals. I remember there was a musical based on Bleach.
Anonymous No.150056152 >>150060340
>>150052268 (OP)
I guess Tarzan would be the easiest example. Overall the movie is pretty cool, but I never revisit it because I can't stand the Phil Collins soundtrack. An original Disney score would've made it so much better. I think of it as the main reason why it doesn't seem to be talked about quite as much as the other Disney movies of the Renaissance era.
Anonymous No.150056568
>>150055416
>>150055361
>>150056076
Takarazuka Revue is pretty much the Japanese Broadway. Anyone who is familiar enough with vintage shoujo manga or with the Utena and Ouran anime is bound to know about them.

https://youtu.be/yrhJ1elXXjc
Anonymous No.150056656 >>150056698 >>150060338
>>150053702>>150052268 (OP)

NO IMPORTA LA DISTANCIA
Anonymous No.150056666
>>150052268 (OP)
I understand what you mean, although I do really like the singing in all of Disney's renaissance movies.

For me, it happens with some non-cartoon musicals, like Sweeney Todd, or Les Miserables. I usually enjoy animated musicals. The exception would be I guess some of the musics in the cartoon horse show, but even it had some pretty good songs as well.
Anonymous No.150056672
>>150052268 (OP)
WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE VEGAS?!?
Anonymous No.150056698 >>150060338
>>150056656
LMAO
https://youtu.be/eX1oMZm7QKI?si=grzNeUUW8OklXzN9
Anonymous No.150056861 >>150060316 >>150076649
>>150052268 (OP)
Hercules is apparently 18 years old in the movie... but he looks more like he's in his 20s.
Anonymous No.150057043 >>150057140 >>150065428
>>150052268 (OP)
the only song that actually sucks is Herc's "I want" song

but that's more by virtue of the entire section of the movie where he's a kid is a complete waste of time...but it is insanely cliche and gives off a very effeminate energy for him being...you know fuckin' Hercules.
Anonymous No.150057140 >>150057187
>>150057043
He was a zero at the time
Anonymous No.150057187
>>150057140
you mean an zero
Anonymous No.150057203
>>150052268 (OP)
Get this guy to write a Hercules musical and he'll mog Disney hard
Anonymous No.150057395
>>150052373
There used to be both a vocaroo and a video based on a /fit/ post using this song, but I was never able to find them again...
Anonymous No.150057912
>>150052268 (OP)
>I can't stand the singing in a animated Disney movie pre 2015
Then why are watching a musical?
Anonymous No.150058057
>>150052268 (OP)
I do think this is one of the movies that turned people against the convention that every Disney animated feature had to be a musical. Most of the songs arenโ€™t bad but it didnโ€™t really need songs; there wasnโ€™t anything that needed to be there to explain the characters.

Also the Broadway style singing, which was new and fresh with Little Mermaid, had gotten to feel like a formula.

(By new I mean that classic Disney animated films usually had songs but they werenโ€™t exactly full-fledged musicals. The orchestrator/conductor of Mary Poppins, which was more of a Broadway-style musical, was advised by the songwriters: โ€œDonโ€™t tell Walt you won the Oscar for WEST SIDE STORY โ€” he hated it.โ€)
Anonymous No.150058313
>>150052268 (OP)
>POV: You're a trojan teenage boy
Anonymous No.150058496
>>150055737
Youโ€™re wrong anon
Anonymous No.150058650 >>150058708 >>150058740 >>150072276
>The majority of the gods are given their Greek names
>Heracles is given his Roman name
I can forgive the other liberties they took, but this one drives me up the fucking wall
Anonymous No.150058708 >>150072417
>>150058650
>Apollo isn't called Apollon
GRRRRRRRR
Anonymous No.150058740
>>150058650
Zeus should have been called Dyแธ—us ph2tแธ—r
Anonymous No.150060316
>>150056861
I mean:
Anonymous No.150060331
>>150052268 (OP)
Hercules, like Disney's Tarzan, shares the problem of being a good movie burdened by its nature of being adaptions of existing characters. Tarzan and Hercules have actual history. When you disney-fy that you lose alot of what makes those characters who they are. I can enjoy the two films in isolation but I get hung up on the details if I thino about them too much. I will say however Hercules has the better music compared to Tarzan.
Anonymous No.150060333
>>150052268 (OP)
I loved it as a child, but when I grew up I realized that the movie was retarded.
Anonymous No.150060338
>>150056698
>>150056656
kino
Anonymous No.150060340
>>150056152
this. between the creative liberties taken with adapting the original book, the collins songs which are beat for beat narrations of the vents going on in each scene, and rosie o donnell the movie can just be such a chore
Anonymous No.150060347 >>150060355
>>150052268 (OP)
I loved his little sidekick. I forget his name been a while since ive seen the film. He is like a tiny cartoonish version of Hercules who follows him during the Zero to Hero montage. Yeah great movie overall. I loved the art style and the early cgi is soul. Mixes rewlly well with the 2d.
Anonymous No.150060355
>>150060347
im surprised nobody has yet drawn a styliatically consistent depiction of herculad yet
Anonymous No.150060822 >>150072477
>>150052268 (OP)
I hated the singing at first, found it loud and obnoxious, but after re-viewings I can see what they were going for and how they worked it into the film. Muses narrating was appropriate.

I can at least appreciate this film had its own unique style, even if Scarfe was an odd choice and one I never would have picked in a million years. I'm not a fan of that kind of ugly distorted impressionism, but Disneyfied it's surprisingly tolerable, doesn't affect the main characters too much, etc. Sure can't say it isn't something different.

I really liked how films of that that era would select a setting-appropriate colour palette, (like Mermaid, Lion King, and especially Aladdin really nail that shit), and setting thematic art style integrated into the overall look at a deep level - and this film really dialled that shit up to 11 with the spiral motifs and shit like Meg's figure and 2.5D hair.

Not everything worked and it wasn't exactly the crown jewel of that era objectively speaking, but I personally liked it a lot.

Disney obviously looking for another Robin Williams Genie type character after the success of Aladdin resulting in Hades could have turned out extremely badly, so thank Christ James Woods walked in the door, (and according to him was feeling a little goofy that day). Everything went better than expected.

Cast was generally good. Again they were obviously going for Iago type sidekicks with Pain and Panic with the oddball voice casting, and I liked them. Egan was great and played that part well regardless of how you might have felt about the departure from your standard princess shit, so again, everything kinda went better than expected on paper.

The Yiddish shit felt a little out of place, but I kinda warmed to it after a while. Very weird intermix of religious shit that I'm shocked they even got away with at the time somehow, but I think that was kinda the point, that there was no one thing anyone could get a grip on to complain about.
Anonymous No.150060841
>>150055687
No. Me only want to see mes.
Anonymous No.150060891 >>150060919 >>150061476 >>150063116
If someone was 12 when this came out they're 40/41 now.
Anonymous No.150060919
>>150060891
We got a math whizz over here!
Anonymous No.150061476
>>150060891
Wow, time.
Anonymous No.150062464 >>150064379 >>150066059 >>150066595
>>150052268 (OP)
Why is this Zeus so oddly friendly in this film version?
Anonymous No.150063116
>>150060891
HOLY
FUCKING
SHIT
TIME...MARCHES ON!?!!??
HOW CAN THIS BE BROS
Anonymous No.150064194
>>150052268 (OP)

>it ain't gonna suck itself
Anonymous No.150064278
megara on my dick
Anonymous No.150064379
>>150062464
Could it maybe have something to do with this being a KIDS' MOVIE?

Naaaaaaaaah, that's just silly!
Anonymous No.150064729 >>150065091 >>150067523
>>150052268 (OP)
I like it, but it's clear that it's one big Olympian propaganda in order to white-wash everyone but Hades, while Hades is made the villain here.

It's literally the Loki and Set take on Hades and I hate it.
Anonymous No.150065091 >>150065259
>>150064729
Still got a great performance from James Woods.
Anonymous No.150065259
>>150065091
Undeniable.
Anonymous No.150065294
>>150052268 (OP)
That little jingle they use for Herc's theme is the best part of all the songs. Just feels so heroic.
https://youtu.be/4qTRvO1IbvI?list=RD4qTRvO1IbvI&t=174
Anonymous No.150065428 >>150065485 >>150065583 >>150068241
>>150057043
It's ancient Greece, boys being effeminate in hopes of being picked to be uhhh "mentored" (molested repeatedly) by adult men was somewhere between culturally expected and mandatory, as vile as that actually is.
Anonymous No.150065485
>>150065428
Just boys being boys.
Anonymous No.150065510 >>150071024
>>150052268 (OP)
> Is there any movie that you akin to this feeling?

Strange Magic does not do a good job at being a jukebox musical and a lot of the song numbers are pretty cringe. But itโ€™s a surprisingly solid movie outside of the singing. Unfortunately, the characters break into song, like, every two minutes. Which is a big part of why the singing is so annoying. Itโ€™s be more tolerable if it didnt take up so much damn runtime. Even if it would still be pretty cringe because the dadrock oldies do not suit the characters or setting well.
Anonymous No.150065583 >>150065738
>>150065428
And how do those ancient greece people think about immigration nowadays?
Do their life style fit to the ancient greek life style from the past?
Anonymous No.150065738
>>150065583
Why did you ask about immigration? I donโ€™t think that has anything to do with anonโ€™s post.
Anonymous No.150065855
>>150055718
Making Hercules a bastard and Hera the villain would mean putting infidelity into a disney kiddy movie, which would cause children to ask their parents uncomfortable questions and then parents to get mad at the studio for having to be asked said questions.

Which is the sort of thing that disney has been trying to get over in more recent years, to just go ahead and put in slightly uncomfortable realities into their stuff, but hasnโ€™t been going well because itโ€™s been getting them a fuckload of criticism.
Anonymous No.150066059
>>150062464
Because only the names are kept from the greek myth. The actual story is a loose mashup of Superman and Rocky, with the usual Christian influences you see in a Superman story, but applied to gods instead of superheroes to make it even more vaguely religious. And they decided that the personality of the role of Zeus/Jor El should be Santa Claus. Probably because thatโ€™s the nicest way to imagine the Christian God aka the father of the savior hero christ figure.
Anonymous No.150066214
GIMME FUEL GIMME FIRE GIMME THAT WHICH I DESIRE
Anonymous No.150066595
>>150062464
Of all the issues Zeus has I wouldn't worry about him being "Unfriendly" heck, Hera would contend he could stand to be a bit less friendly, if ya know what I mean.
Anonymous No.150067523 >>150077238
>>150064729
I hate how they portrayed Poseidon, he's always getting the short end of the stick in most media (including that one tiktok musical where Odysseus beats him up)
Anonymous No.150068241
>>150065428
The ancient Greeks were frankly more than a bit squizophrenic about the whole shebang (not unlike what was the case with the medieval and early-modern Arabs, Persians, and Turks): although flamboyant and zesty behavior in males was generally disparaged, you can still find popular historical twinks such as Agathon and Alcibiades, who, by all accounts, were notoriously fruity.

Judging by the written sources, the conventional dynamics of Mediterranean pederastic courtship and relationships followed to a large extent the same double standards as heterosexual ones: if a boy put out too easily or showed too much willingness and enthusiasm, he was branded as a slutty whore, while if he acted more choosy or finicky his frustrated suitors usually resorted to portray him as a haughty cocktease.
Anonymous No.150068392
>>150052268 (OP)
>I can't stand the FUCKING SINGING.
Motherfucker you have shit taste
You are like the kind of guy who would watch Mulan 2020 and be glad they got rid of all the songs from the original
Anonymous No.150068428 >>150069807
megara on my cock
Anonymous No.150069807
>>150068428
GOTEEM!
Anonymous No.150071024
>>150065510
The Raggedy Ann and Andy movie is another one with way too many songs, and the songs are pretty bad. Only thing it has going for it is very fluid animation.
Anonymous No.150072049 >>150072923
>>150055610
Why is the Japanese version so soulful?
https://youtu.be/EjaDHVd9NuQ?list=RDEjaDHVd9NuQ
Anonymous No.150072276
>>150058650
Because Hollywood.
Most Americans recognize Hercules over Heracles due to the popular Italian films from the 50s
Anonymous No.150072417
>>150058708
Drink your ouzo, แผˆฯ€ฯŒฮปฮปฯ‰ฮฝ
Anonymous No.150072477 >>150073058 >>150074995
>>150060822
>spiral motifs
Yeah I never understood that. What were they going for? What does spirals everywhere have to do with Greek mythology?
Anonymous No.150072923
>>150072049
everything is better in Japan
Anonymous No.150073058
>>150072477
Well they were obviously trying to give it a unique look right down to its DNA, and in this case linework. Nothing necessarily wrong with that in principle and it has worked rather well for other stuff, but like I said, dialled up to 11 here for better and worse, (and Scarfe's style is way off the map to start with).

Picrel is a good example of giving something a unique look semi-related to the setting. The Genie's power kinda looks like an Arabic script to me, and I assume that kind of thing motivated this choice, (which work better for this film than just traditional lightning bolts or Cinderella sparkle magic). Not as in your face as Hercules having spiral kneecaps, but I get what motif they had in mind, and does give its own style.
Anonymous No.150073474
>I can't stand the FUCKING SINGING
Did you not know the company who made this?
Anonymous No.150073545
My biggest problem with this movie is the mangled morality.

Hercules makes a deal with Hades that he'll stay IF he can get Megara out of the Well of Souls.
>becomes a god
>punches Hades
>leaves with Meg
What about the deal?

>you became a god because you risked your life to save this woman
So the other times he almost got killed, like when he fought and was swallowed by the hydra he wasn't risking his life? Doing it to get his own girlfriend back is arguably less 'selfless' than saving random people to be a hero.

Also bugs me how often and rapidly the level of the Well of Souls changes in succession. Count them. Makes me think this scene was seriously reworked and shit cut out, (and the deal thing just being ignored was a ham-fisted consequence):
https://youtu.be/SDwtYf1T5sI?t=105

>inb4 because he's a god now
A bit like moving your pawn onto the final covered square, I go to take it with my rook and you say I can't because it has been promoted to a queen now. Not how any of this works. They at least needed to lay out some rules about that beforehand. If you're a god your deals don't count?
Anonymous No.150073559
>>150053702
sperg alert
Anonymous No.150074995
>>150072477
Volutes are distinctive features in the columns of the Ionic order in Classical architecture, and the ancient Greeks used meanders as ornamentation in pretty much anything. The spiral motif is actually a reasonable and historically-informed aesthetic choice (in fact, one could even argue that it's kinda stereotypical, if not outright trite).
Anonymous No.150075349
Rewatched it recently and the amount of direct sex appeal surprised me. Probably only second to Chel in Road to El Dorado
Anonymous No.150075781
>>150053702
>can't sing
what was the name of the golden throat that took your crush before you could ask her out
Anonymous No.150075836
This movie has the most fun songs of all Disney movies
Anonymous No.150076649 >>150077218
>>150056861
He was 18 when Zeus revealed his identity, then he trained a few years under Phil. He's in his 20s
Anonymous No.150077218
>>150076649
Hades invades Olympus 18 years (precisely) after Hercules' birth
https://youtu.be/U5gVMEe3gFw?t=97
Anonymous No.150077238
>>150067523
Considering the shit he did in the myths, that's kinda justified.
Then again Hera was worse than him.