Thread 150055890

Can we have a Captain America thread?

Because Roy Thomas has autism, he obsessed over the fact that in Avengers #4, Cap says he was frozen in time in Newfoundland, so he made Don Glut write several issues explaining away how Cap could have been in both Newfoundland and Europe for hus being frozen in time. And in this story Glut set up that a nazi scientist named Lyle Dekker is going to take over the world, by putting his mind into a 12 ft tall robot duplicate of Captain America. The very next issue Steve Gerber takes over the book and decides to immediately resolve the plot without Cap even fighting his evil robot duplicate l.

Remember when he drew his own comic book? That was funny.

>>150055939
This was a fun period. I also liked when Cap was a cop and his Sgt. was Jack Kirby.

Why was Steve Englehart so obsessed with cucking during his final issues on the book?

>Englehart's have Peggy Carter being rejected by Cap, because she's 47, and now she's dating a black man, because she's too old for white men. Cap's OK with this, but the Red Skull is furious at seeing an interracial couple.
>Sharon Carter also tries to cheat on Cap with a crippled basedboy named Dave Cox.

>>150056246
Sharon getting closer and closer to cheating on Steve while the Red Skull investigates whether or not Peggy is taking BBC.

>>150056246
Sharon getting closer and closer to cheating on Steve while the Red Skull investigates whether or not Peggy is taking BBC.

>>150056335
Same story, Englehart also reveals that the Red Skull used the Cosmic Cube to create the Falcon, having implanted new memories into the head of a drug dealing murderer named Snap Wilson, who had high-jacked a plane full of drugs and killed the pilot. This story stayed canon until very recently.

>>150055890 (OP)
I'm sad Baron Zemo is dead plus had his character utterly mishandled before then and the Serpent Society get either treated like jokes or had that awful Aaron shit he did to them. Captain America genuinely has some pretty great villains that writers mishandled but that's a general problem with Marvel of hack writers mishandling it's giant cast.

>>150056478
Man I liked this run but this retcon was fucking dogshit. Really weak ending.

>>150056488
I hate most modern Cap stories, even Brubaker's run. The characters often feel like they're written wrong, and there's too much focus on trying to make the comics feel like a movie.

>>150056762
Honestly Grunewald really was the best Captain America tone since it had enough levity but did have serious stakes and political themes without being overbearing. Helps every new character he added was usually total bangers

>>150056833
For the most part the 70s thru the 90s is all Cap at his peak. I would have liked to have seen more street level stories with him and Falcon, but for whatever reason in the late 70s they decided Falcon could be a solo hero and removed him from being Cap's partner to try and make Falcon his own hero, but then never gave him a solo book. There's a fan letter in one issue around the time, where a black fan writes in and says how Captain America's a character who'll naturally overshadow Falcon, and that Falcon needs his own title in order to grow.

>>150057768
Ha, wonder how that fan feels about them stripping Sam of his unique mantle to just crib and coast as Captain America. I never got why they'd have characters with actual unique identity's downgrade to ripping off someone else like how Scorpion just became another Venom. James Rhodes at least when posing as Ironman then went on to make his own unique identity even if it's Ironman adjacent. But back on topic yeah the 2000's I think just struggled with how to adapt or handle Captain America as some very infamous stuff like Civil War, Ultimates and so on show when it's really not that hard to make a tonally balanced Captain America story or run.

>quits whenever American government does anything even a little sketchy
>woman he loved fucked other men while he was frozen in ice
>claims to protect freedom but will punch you if you don't kneel to the blacks
>Still fighting nazis 80 years after the party collapsed in 1945
>unwittingly helped America become a cultural and political cancer upon the world
>gets replaced monthly by literal who trannies and sassy black girls
This nigga sucks and is a perfect metaphor for how bad his country fell off

The time Red Skull became a black nationalist and tricked black people into burning down their neighborhoods during a race riot.

Why is the current book so pozzed?

>>150058846
Did they at least add Captain Brazil from super hero squad?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJPtDMPZv-c

>>150055916
Roy was cool

They're gonna have to do something about his origin sooner or later. He was frozen for 19 years originally in 1964. Soon it'll get to a point where he would legitimately go insane from the changes he woke up to and no ww2 vets even alive lol

>>150059447
Make for fun interaction with Kang...which honestly EMH and Kang dynasty do give them a great animosity

>>150059447
Captain America honestly has to move beyond WWII. In the 60s they realized it was boring and only served the purpose of making Cap feel like an outsider with PTSD. By the 70s it was more of a footnote.

>>150059423
If not they should

>>150058546
>Tricked?

>>150056097
Wasn't there a recent comic where he fought the robot again?

>>150058846
How the fuck is other countries having their own heroes pozzed???

>>150058299
>>claims to protect freedom but will punch you if you don't kneel to the blacks
Fucking when? Not letting retards murder innocent blacks isn't demanding they kneel.

>>150061680
>innocent blacks
>innocent

VOTE PLEASE!

5 Best Captain America related series since the end of Brubaker's main run?

https://strawpoll.com/eNg6veOP4gA

>>150061726
1 doesn't represent 42 million African Americans fucktard.

>>150058864
>Captain France uses a yo-yo with blades on it
Not saying its lame, but compared to the loadouts of everyone else, it kind of is. Even Captain Mosley is just using Hydra Cap's blade shield concept except with a loisenced knoife instead of an energy blade.

>>150058846
>>150058864
>>150058880
>>150058898
Definitely could've workshopped those names to be better

SHARE YOUR CAP WISHLIST!

(current run)
> They don't have some BS about Steve being shocked or offended about modern America propping up dictators for the greater good. Supporting Saddam against the greater evil of Iran was indistinguishable from us working with Stalin in his time. He wouldn't like it but he would absolutely understand.
> The redhead Cap doesn't turn evil or try to kill Steve.
> This run ends quickly.

(future comics)
> A run with a unambiguous crystal clear communism=bad message with zero backhanded muh McCarthyism BS.
> Mabye redeem the Grand Director by having him work with Steve against this commie threat and sacrifice himself after Steve acknowledges his heroism.
> Bring back the communist Red Skull?
> Karl Kesel who did the fantastic Patriot mini series does further Cap work.
> A Cap & Thor mini series.

(mcu)
> Steve's EG happy ending is not the cause of the incursions as recently rumored nor do they tarnish him in any other manner (this is my #1 entertainment wish, I will burn Disney the fuck down if those demonic cock suckers Last Jedi-fi Steve)
> No HydraCap unless it is explicitly a variant.

>>150061754
American culture is centered around niggers.

>>150061754
It does actually. 1 negro reflects everything "da kulture" has taught them to embrace.

Blacks are a protected class, deal with it

>>150062281
Except there are millions upon millions of African Americans who reject ghetto gangsta hood rap culture wholesale.

>>150061838
The Star's name is fine, even though there's clearly more than one star on his uniform. Captain Kingdom is there only because Captain Britain was taken and Captain England probably isn't inclusive enough. Captain France's name is perfectly fine, his kit is just goofy.

>>150062782
Bump

>>150061680
The baggy clothes and pseudo tactic-cool shit the artist is doing is garbage. They look like MCU slop, not comic book characters. Nothing about these designs are masculine. Also 12 years ago Red Widow would have had her ass hanging out and dressed like a lingerie model.

Not to mention that all the times they've tried to blend real world military shit with Captain America has never good. They need to go back to costumes and street level super villains.

>>150063712
>Not to mention that all the times they've tried to blend real world military shit with Captain America has never good.
Brubaker is the greatest Cap run and did exactly that retard.

>>150063712
>Also 12 years ago Red Widow would have had her ass hanging out and dressed like a lingerie model.
Spoiler has been around for 20 years and had the same basic design just purple.

Regardless Cheesecake has been returning for a bit now. It just doesn't fit a military assassin character.

>>150063712
>Not to mention that all the times they've tried to blend real world military shit with Captain America has never good.
Cap has always been involved in a mix of real and fantastical"military shit." What the fuck are you talking about?

>>150063754
Brubaker is hot hog shit for people who collect Funko Pops. His characterizations don't even match the established lore, and is nothing but set up for MCU shit.

>>150064094
>Always
t.fag who never read pre-2000s. Was Cap doing military shit when he fought Solarr? How about all those times he fought Mr. Hyde? Or Moonstone? Or the Serpent Squad? Or Man-Brute? What about when he fought Animus? How about when he fought Ameridroid? I hate faggots like you, even during the Golden Age military shit was just background material. Maybe you should read some? He fought spies and costumed super villains like the Butterfly, or monsters like the "Ageless Orientals Who Wouldn't Die," but that wasn't his sole thing. By the 1960s, Cap was all about working for Shield and being an Avenger and even that was phased out as tiresome-- you can only send him on so many Shield missions, and they removed him from the Avengers as well, because affected his solo stories. Cap at his best is street level fighting costumed villains. Even Jack Kirby when he came back wasn't sending Cap to do military shit. He was having him fight secret societies that worshipped computers and super powered assassins who use personal affirmations before they would murder someone.

Roger Stern back in 1979 pulling a "Ackchyually Captain America was always political" when a fan wrote in back then, saying that the comic was finally good again now that Cap was no longer attending college protests and defending violent rioters and that Cap no longer hated America.

For context: Steve Englehart on his run(which has good moments) had used the book as a mouth piece for his own politics culminating with Richard Nixon and Republicans being labeled as villains(the 1970s equivalent to TDS, he even has Nixon blow his brains out), and Stan Lee prior had Cap attend a college protest twice to try and make college kids who hated America to like the book. Jack Kirby when he came back hated Englehart's run and disregarded his continuity, making Cap Patriotic again, going so far as to do the Bicentennial special, where Cap time travels to both good and bad points in American history to learn about what being an American really means, and removed anything political.

>>150064709
It was honestly real cool from a storytelling POV for the President to be revealed to be a costumed villain, and then blow his brains out in the Oval Office right after Cap unmasks him. But I do think it being Richard Nixon was a bit much, particularly as more and more information on Watergate became public in the decades that followed that Watergate was probably a manufactured scandal started by the FBI, who for whatever reason decided they wanted to hurt Nixon politically. The source for information that was leaked to the press turned out to be Mark Felt, the Deputy Director of the FBI, who was potentiallytrting to extort and blackmail people because he was angry about not getting promoted to the head of the FBI, and was himself later convicted for carrying out illegal spying amd break-ins tied to politics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Throat_(Watergate)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Felt

Still, it was a cool story, even if it was based around cringe politics of the day.
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>>150064113
Based.

>>150062571
1 clickbait article doesn't speak for millions and millions, fucktard.

>>150066419
Are you so sure?

>>150064356
You're confusing your own preferences with what is good and bad. Unlike you, the vast majority of Capfags people have never minded Captain America being involved with military shit, his whole fucking origin is that of a super soldier developed by the US Army acting on the behalf of military or paramilitary authorities. Just because he's fighting some furry dressed up in an armadillo costume or banging some bitch in purple spandex doesn't dismiss everything else he's done outside of that. Only a dipshit gooner like you seems to find any fault with a character with military origins having allusions to the military in any way shape or form.

>>150068753
>>150067783
Bump

>>150055890 (OP)
>Can we have a Captain America thread?
sure why not

I was introduced to Cap (and Bucky) because of this show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wJ3kKtzEZQ

>>150065603
>Still, it was a cool story,
Well I think that's ultimately the major and most significant difference. Old comics certainly were very political but they still remembered to tell a good story before anything else. And while I certainly wouldn't say they were subtle by any stretch they were at least presented way better than most shit today which would just have the subject they don't like say something dumb on the page and get punched by a smug teenager. This had mystery, action and was just, as state, a cool story.

>>150071652
Not gonna happen.