Thread 150056791

https://thecosmiccircus.com/alex-perez-august-qa-part-1-avengers-doomsday/

>The main character of Avengers: Doomsday will be Robert Downey Jr.’s Doctor Doom, similar to how Josh Brolin’s Thanos was the main character of Avengers: Infinity War.

>Doom sees the ongoing incursions as a danger to the Multiverse and intends to stop them using a young Franklin Richards. He views himself as the hero of this story and will do whatever it takes to remain in power.

>Captain America's Avengers, the New Avengers, the Fantastic Four, the X-Men and Team Loki are all there. Doom will also have a team, though he doesn’t really need anyone.

>The film will feature Earth-616, Earth-828, and a version of the Fox X-Men’s Earth. Another Earth completely decimated by an incursion will be shown to illustrate the scale of the threat to the heroes.

>Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell are confirmed to appear, with Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter forced out of retirement for an "end of the world" scenario.

>Steve creating a branch timeline to be with Peggy was the source of the incursions and Doom is now after him for revenge.

>Other characters from Earth-616 include Spider-Man, Doctor Strange, Clea, Monica Rambeau, Hulk, She-Hulk, Kate Bishop, Ms. Marvel, Stature, Love Thordottir, Wasp, Okoye, Deadpool and Wolverine.

>The heroes who have been the faces of Phases 4, 5, and 6 (primarily in movies) will have a bigger focus and will "try to" have equal screen time and appearances.

>Thor's role will be to "join the fray to stop the incursion from destroying this universe".

>Monica Rambeau will have a larger role story-wise compared to Thor, though Thor is expected to appear more frequently.

>The X-Men's costumes will be a blend between Astonishing X-Men and X-Men '97. More X-Men characters are expected beyond the initial seven announced, as the X-Mansion is full of fun mutant cameos.

>Doctor Strange will have a major role in fixing an incursion "by any means necessary". He is working with Doctor Doom. The flow of time is different in the Dark Dimension, so in the 4 years he’s been away with Clea he’s spent decades studying dark magic. Clea is loyal to Doom and betrays Strange when the push comes to shove.

>A neat place" from What If...? will be adapted into live-action.

>Even with Loki’s intervention, the Multiverse is still on the brink of collapse, with only a handful of viable Earths remaining.

>A major reset is expected in Avengers: Secret Wars, the new Earth-616 will combine elements from various variant Earths (such as 828 and 1610) to form the Earth-616 it was "originally" meant to be. Previously, the Earth seen in MCU films and shows was a version of Earth-616 cultivated by He Who Remains, which removed many heroes (like the Fantastic Four, Magneto, Charles Xavier) from the "original" timeline. This was referred to as Earth Prime. The reset will establish an Earth that was always filled with the Avengers, X-Men, and Fantastic Four, with the global perception being that this has always been the case.

>Scarlet Witch (Elizabeth Olsen) will NOT be recast and will stay with her same actress.

>Previously dead heroes and villains will be brought back, as the reset will alter certain known MCU events. Everything is fair game. Galactus and Silver Surfer for example will be rebooted.

>>150056791 (OP)
nobody has learned their lesson

>>150056791 (OP)
>Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter forced out of retirement for an "end of the world" scenario.
Wow! They're already back-tracking on Cap's ending!

>>150056799
>the reset will alter certain known MCU events
"We fucked up by pussifying the MCU after Endgame! Run it back! Unpussify!"

>>150056791 (OP)
>"Your name is Victor Von DOOM? HAHAHA Ok what's your real name"
>Member the movie you liked when you were 10 years old?
>"I hate you 3000"
>Victor's beef with the FF sidelined

>>150056791 (OP)
>Steve creating a branch timeline to be with Peggy was the source of the incursions and Doom is now after him for revenge.
>Even with Loki’s intervention, the Multiverse is still on the brink of collapse, with only a handful of viable Earths remaining.
As if:
>Steve wanting to fuck Peggy destroyed basically every Earth apart from a couple.
Nice fanfic.

>>150056791 (OP)
Wow, it's going to be a dumpster fire. They're basically going to try to do another Infinity War/Endgame but unlike last time which was an original story with a villain, plot, and heroes that had been built up over like 8 years to universal praise it's going to be a lukewarm retread with a villain, plot, and heroes that were all introduced five seconds ago to universal panning after nearly a decade of meandering and gradually letting the hype die off.

>>150056938
Steve's going to be sidelined so a literal who lady who's also 90 can be a snarky girlboss? This is going to go over so great with audiences I can already hear them clapping

>>150057028
Heh

I like the concept of Steve’s final act being responsible for the incursions and shit, makes me wish they did something like that with Iron Man perfecting the time travel device and linking that to Kang when Kang was…a thing.

>>150057028
>The crew is in open revolt
qrd? is marvel finally done with putting up with feige's bullshit?

>>150057075
It's a parody of the Saturday Night poster

>>150057028
The Nightcrawler actor straight up said there was so much green screen that he did not know who the fuck he was acting with.

>>150056791 (OP)
>The X-Men's costumes will be a blend between Astonishing X-Men and X-Men '97.
Watch these assholes put Cyclops in the Jim Lee suit again.

>>150057075
It's a reference to that shitty Saturday Night Live movie from last year

>>150057110
That's the one thing that's guaranteed

I thought Peggy died.

>>150057109
He leaked he has a fight with Reed, and I'd imagine they just had him doing random movements in front of a green screen.

>>150057155
Present day Peggy did; this is past Peggy from the convoluted time travel ex machina.

>>150057166
Of course.

>>150057110
Calling it now. Cyclops, Nightcrawler, and maybe Rogue will have the '97 costumes everyone else will have Astonishing.

>>150057160
It's Nightcrawler. There's no scenario where he doesn't just teleport like 5-8 times, pop off a quip, maybe throw something, and then get knocked flying at the end.

>>150057171
Jackman in D&W already had a mainly Astonishing inspired costume so It's likely

Are you guys ready for Doom to use his mask for the three minutes in total, and then take it off with nanotech for the rest of the movie so we can see it's Robert Downey Jr.?

kinda sad that astonishing was the last time x-men actually peaked.

>>150057244
>he didn't read Krakoa
Hickman kino

>>150057239
Some have speculated that since the FF pcs has Franklin touching Doom's face, he used his powers to restore/give him his appareance, giving them an excuse to show RDJ from the get go.

>>150056799
>>150056799
>people kept saying how its crazy how they killed off iron man and steve retired before the x-men were added to the mcu
>kept telling retards they always planned to recast everyone to reboot everything
>no they won't do that this isn't a comic

I fucking told you this was going to happen that phase 4-6 were filler arcs while they wait for the heat to die down when the words recasting the characters came up

>>150056980
they're desperately counting on the former star power of the Avengers to win that fight, Doom may be a 5-minute villain but since he's Downey they're betting on everyone eating it up, especially if he's served alongside more Cap that essentially gives the excuse of "Evil Iron Man vs Punished Steve"

>>150057282
They overestimated their staying power.
>>150057314
Maybe if they had done it 5 years ago. Heck, even 2022 they might've gotten away with it. The ship has sailed, though. People are over it. They need to do something GOOD as their NEXT thing to get people interested in it. There's no screwing around for 5-6 movies and then maybe we'll see about doing something cool.

Of course, it's nepo baby Hollywood so they don't appreciate that at all. They think they can do whatever they want and everyone has to like it.

>>150057282
They're not recasting, though. Not yet, at least.

>>150057409
Feige himself said they'll recast Steve and Tony after the reset

>>150057401
I mean, that's not really an Avengers issue, that's an EVERYTHING issue. Entertainment is in collapse. Movies are in collapse. Streaming is chaos, AI is rampant, everything is becoming insanely expensive. They're going to lose no matter how damn good the movie is.

>>150057425
I remember posting in a thread around the time every company was launching a streaming service that streaming was not sustainable and that it would crash the entertainment industry and I got called a "cable cuck" but now streaming is not sustainable and the entertainment industry is in collapse. Feels good being right.

>>150057425
>They're going to lose no matter how damn good the movie is.
That's been shown this year alone. TBolts, Supes and FF were critically well recieved and still came low compared to the genre's golden era. Audiences interest in capeshit just isn't there unless you're Spider-Man or Batman.

>>150057470
A LOT of Marvel's struggles can be pinned down to Disney+. The mandate to produce content meant spreading the studio in a scale not seen before, leaving less and less space for quality control due to the insane amount of work they had to go through. Both the shows and films suffered for that.

>>150056791 (OP)
Fake. Wasp actress is retired

>>150057493
Don't forget that, once a movie comes out in Disney+, it also immediately comes out in this other streaming service that has everything. They must have really good licensing deals.

>>150057530
everyone's retired until they back up a dump truck of fresh benjamins onto your doorstep

>>150057554
This. she and Michael Douglas likely had a bad experience on Quantumania and trying to do hard negotiating

>>150057424
No, he didn't. He said they'll recast them eventually, but there are no plans for that right now.

That's why you should read actual quotes instead of twitter clickbait. They misrepresent a lot of shit for engagement.

>>150057615
I did read the article, but concede I should've sclarified in the "further down the line". I took it as if you meant they weren't actively planning it.

>>150057493
Movies going straight to digital was a huge mistake for the movie industry and there is more or less no going back from it. Streaming services needed an endless stream of garbage to fill up their catalog was equally as destructive.

>>150057581
Douglas really wanted for Hank to be killed off so the only way I see him returning is if they give him that. Perhaps when they we're still planning to do Kang Dynasty they had one of the Kang's kill him early off for revenge.

>>150057425
If it was actually god, they would be fine, but they're aiming for: "Good enough that we can gaslight you about your criticisms."

>>150057653
Superman getting released digitally so early came as a shock to many people but WB did the same to The Batman, pitting it straight on MAX only a months and a half.
I have to think they get revenue off that since otherwise it just makes it seem like studios love losing money.

>>150057471
Critical reviews are paid for. The movies sucked.

>>150057691
It's a dumb model because at that point you can just wait a couple weeks and you'll be able to watch it at home. I can usually find a movie online about two weeks after it debuts in theaters in good quality.

I remember when it was closer to like a year from the time a movie was in theaters to when you could get it on home video. It made you want to go see it in theaters because you knew you weren't going to get a chance to see it again for awhile. And then when it did come out it felt like more of an event itself.

>>150057425
>>150057471
Part of the problem has more to do with the streaming wars and studios wanting to do their own streamer and fucking shit up for themselves in the process. They and COVID trained the audiences to sit out.

Superhero Fatigue is a fake reason pushed by studio shills pretending to be "angry fans" because it's trying to deflect the blame away from the people responsible. "Oh it's not because Feige fucked up royally, it's because the audience are tired of superheroes!" Complete Bullshit

MCU is having problems because they released a lot of shit and had too many half-assed results without clear planning. DC had a shitload of problems leftover from pre-Zaslav where WB signed off on a bunch of projects without thinking of costs, and then the problem with brand damage from bad films during the 2010s and 2020s leading up to Superman. It's like instead of stopping after Batman and Robin, WB decided to sign off on five more Batman and Robins before they decided to reboot.

>>150057739
>It's a dumb model because at that point you can just wait a couple weeks and you'll be able to watch it at home.
That's exactly the reason many of these films are underperforming. Given how fucking expensive theaters are now, a lot of people just say "It'll wait for streaming".

>>150057776
*one of the reasons

>>150056904

they will never "Unpussify" the movies.

>>150057112
it's a fun movie

>>150057261
nice joke, Anon

>>150057776
Yeah. It must be bad because my local theater just slashed their prices in half (though it's still expensive.) but if they're willing to do that it must be getting rough.

I just checked the price for 2 tickets to see Superman and it was literally $50. Too rich for my blood, especially since I know it's going to be a disappointing experience made by people who are actively hostile to my existence. Just last Summer at this time, though? Those tickets were $45 each. Every time I brought my wife out to the movies we were spending $100 ($90 for tickets plus "service fee") and that was just to see the movie. That's not even counting the ride there, ride back, her wanting to get snacks and/or a drink. It easily turns into a $200 event.

Even now we would probably be spending over $100 unless we snuck in our own snacks and drinks (shouldn't HAVE to do that) and even then at that price point I'm intrinsically aware of the running total regardless.

>>150056791 (OP)
Are the rumours Tobey Maguire and Andrew Garfield will also appear as Spider-Men? Or Nic cage ghost rider?

>>150056791 (OP)
Basically Marvel's very own Flash Flashpoint. It's going to be a glorious disaster isnt it?

>>150058127
Shut up, we don't care about Canadians and their made up money.

>>150056791 (OP)
>>Monica Rambeau will have a larger role story-wise compared to Thor, though Thor is expected to appear more frequently.


NEXTWAVE!!!!!!!!!!

>>150056799
Whatever gets me more Wanda

>>150057739
I found a extremely watchable rip of Superman less than a week after it was out which surprised me as movies I've tried that for in the past have definitely not looked as nice

>>150059324
Most theaters are empty and they have no ushers going in to check if you're recording the movie or to see if you even bought a ticket.

>>150059383
I remember when there was someone to check tickets but they don't seem to do that anymore

>>150056921
Sincerity is cringe.

>>150057239
Honey, you don't become an actor if you DON'T want everyone to look at your face.

>>150056799
>A neat place" from What If...? will be adapted into live-action.

strange supreme little pub that he lived in after destroying his universe is gonna be in live action.

>>150059489
>what are Voice Actors

>>150058577
Just speculation, not rumours from leakers per se.

>>150059324
Camrips have gotten to a legitimately good point. I've seen pirated copies from movies that released less than a week before looking pristine.

>>150056791 (OP)
>The heroes who have been the faces of Phases 4, 5, and 6 (primarily in movies) will have a bigger focus and will "try to" have equal screen time and appearances.
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>Thor's role will be to "join the fray to stop the incursion from destroying this universe".
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>Monica Rambeau will have a larger role story-wise compared to Thor, though Thor is expected to appear more frequently.
You can tell a MCU leak is reputable when it's revolting.

>>150057075
There was a rumor of some of the main actors actually fighting and refusing to do scenes together. It could be related with RDJ demanding to redo three weeks of shooting because her now wants to act as Doom himself and not just voice over body doubles

>>150061212
One of the guys who first spread word about the fight later said it was neither RDJ, Reynolds (who were the ones more speculated), nor Pascal. So place your bets who it really was.