Thread 150058847

Is there a worse power to give a character than reality manipulation?

>>150058847 (OP)
Every superpower is horseshit when the writing is bad.
Reality warping can be pretty cool.

>>150058908
fpbp

It’s still cool/badass in any other setting than marvel and dc which have artificially made it uncool because of oversaturation

When Marquis/Legion/Franlin/Wanda/Crazy Jane/Nate Grey/that black bitch from Worst X Man Ever and so many others can ALL do it, it’s now as basic bitch as any other superpower in existence and not special anymore and automatically boring cause so many character now have the “i require ZERO creativity” button too

>>150058847 (OP)
it's only bad when the writing is dogshit and leaves the reader asking "ok so why can't the guy that can warp reality just solve the problem right now"
also >>150059040 is correct, throwing out reality warping powers like candy cheapens it quite a bit

You gotta remember that this is a Hickman comic and he has no idea how to actually write a character

>>150058847 (OP)
You just haven't seen a good application of it.

>>150058908
>>150058972
Reality warping is shit writing, you guys are idiots.

It is the worst power because in essence it is magic but without calling it magic and without limits.

>>150058847 (OP)
Growing
It's the ultimate jobber power

>>150058847 (OP)
Super speed.

>>150058847 (OP)
Genius level intellect

>>150059040
Black bitch?

Who do you mean?

>>150059468
It works well for villains.

It’s absolutely shit for heroes.

It worked really well for Franklin Richards when he was a perma toddler, since he was just a macguffin with a heart beat and speech bubbles.

It’s dog shit when it’s just a hero that can do anything they want. Theres hardly anywhere to go with that afterwards.

>>150059600
Super Speed worked before speed force and time travel retardation.

Waid and Wally made super speed stupid

>>150059653
ah yes

>>150058847 (OP)
Reality warping
Flash grade superspeed
Zatanna style Magic
"Molecular control"
Very strong telepathy
Time travel unless EXTREMELY restricted

All of these are shit because they force every writer to forever dance around them to get any kind of story going at all. They cause bad writing to happen; characters acting like retards and forgetting their own powers just to let things actually happen.

>>150060350
ah, atom eve

>>150060350
Ah, Adam Steve

>>150060350
Ah, Gwen Tennyson

>>150058847 (OP)
I'm honestly just annoyed that a human being can just be born on a powerlevel of a celestial or some kind of a metaphysical entity.
Why don't we ever see members of alien races randomly mutating like that?

>>150060350
Ah, Pavement apes

>>150060571
Anthropocentrism

>>150060350
Ah, Batman

>>150060350
Ah, Nightwing

>>150060626
Capeshit aliens are basically humans in all but goofy names.

>>150060350
Ah, Batkek

>>150060350
Ah, nappy headed niggers

>>150060649
The people writing the comic are not.

>>150060350
Ah, Shrek

>>150060571
Isn't the Gladiator a mutant Kree?
I think logically it's because once you reach a certain high level of baseline power, there's not left for mutations to do. What do you think a mutant power on a Celestial could look like?

>>150060350
Ah, Silver

>>150060350
Ah, Waluigi

>>150060696
>Isn't the Gladiator a mutant Kree?
No, he's a Strontian supersoldier.

>>150060350
Ah, the last dragonborn

>>150060350
Ah, Jesse Pinkman

>>150060571
Ah, Quantitative Tarantula

>>150059660
This fat black bitch with acrylic nails

The only speshul “Omicron level” mutant because she has the power to reality warp (and surely NO OTHER MUTANT could ever do that before). Thanked herself for every continuity change in Marvel history, then wrote her own comic out of continuity. Would probably seem speshul if this kind of thing hadn’t happened 1 Niggillion times before

>>150058847 (OP)
But the power! THE ABSOLUTE POWAH! THE UNIVERSE IS MINE TO COMMAND! TO CONTROOOOOOOL!

As always, it is done to the inherent issues of long term characters and their powers and how writers will one-up them. As always I refer to that comic mocking this.
>Character can understand any language instantly
>Starts off as minor one off character used as comic relief for main people
>Character gets popular, so writer ups his powers by stating he can 'read body language' since it's a 'language' this makes him a god tier fighter
>He becomes a side character
>Popularity continues, he can now 'hear' areas like cities or jungles or whatever and immediately find important thing because he 'understands the language' of the area
>He becomes a character in his own right, gets his own runs
>Now writers start putting him against galactic level threats so need to up his powers, so the guy can talk to atoms and molecules and tell them to form to his will, he now has reality manipulation powers and can do whatever the fuck he wants as he is essentially a God
>Character is now a main character in his own right
And after that, the writers either forget he could make his own Infinity Gauntlet or handwave 'he got hit on the head and has amnesia' or some shit to make sure he can't just make the atoms inside Galacticus explode or something.

Also there isn't a lot of 'fun' in reality manipulation. If you can do everything, who cares. In the anime Fire Force, everybody with powers has a power that is flame based. They have power over flame/heat etc. This means with some heavy handwaving you can do loads of fun things that are really really really simply correct (if you smash it down really basic) such as 'I can control heat so well I can change the gravity of an object and therefore make you fall into the sky or bend light so you can't see it'. Or 'I run heat through my gold gauntlet, making a non-magnetic metal magnetic and can control all magnetic metals like Magneto'. Or 'I can use my flames that come out of my feet to go really fast, so fast that I can go back in time'. Etc

>>150060350
Ah, the blue power ranger from mystic force

>>150060350
Ah, Robert Muldoon

>>150060571
Aliens get no love because "muh relatability"fags won't buy it. So half of cosmic ends up being humans in space, aliens that are just palette swapped humans, or worse actual humans that had their physical appearance changed to look alien.

Telepaths. They are too useless or a win button with little in between. Writers really struggle going half way with them. If they can get in your head at all there is no reason they can't shut you down but if they can't they are useless as tits on a bull. Which tends to lean to the second problem they get new powers that don't make sense. Like Psychic energy bolts, weapons, force fields ect. Psychic never projects physically or behaves like energy until a character needs an offensive alternative and then it does. I don't think I have ever seen an energy manipulator do anything with psychic energy without being psychic themselves. I think X-men corned the market on psychic ghost. Where somehow when they die psychics can live as psychic entity without the need of their brain.

>>150060350
Only rage-amped strength is acceptable

>>150059531
>noooo I don't want to see cool things in my stories... because I just don't, okay???
Sucks to suck.

>>150060350
Ah, Sonny Red

>>150060350
Ugh

>>150058908
This, Mad Jim Jaspers was cool and Moore even wrote in a way to defeat him.

>>150058908
Do anything and everything power is kinda hard to make any drama

>>150060350
Ah, Sektor

>>150058847 (OP)
>Is there a worse power to give a character than reality manipulation?
It's the best power. Because it doesn't rely on physics being shattered, since it's altering physics.

Why did no one ever try giving characters limited reality manipulation? Like they have access to it but it requires a lot of concentration and they can only do it on a minor scale.

>>150058847 (OP)
Mind control in capeshit is the most boring power imaginable. Most of the times it boils down
>"oh no, it doesn't work on [insert hero name]" so they have to fight nameless NPCs
>mind control villains rarely have any physical skills beyond their one trick so they don't make for interesting fight scenes and are easily beaten the moment they face the hero
>their powers are literally never used in any kind of creative or entertaining way

>>150061921
That’s every matter manipulator.
When you can make every atom form and unform and rearrange to your command you are warping reality about halfway. Only fundamental force you aren’t fucking with is Gravity

>>150062225
Same way Magneto has like a Billion Powers because Magnetism makes up 1/4 of the fundamental forces. He’s a 1/4 reality warper

>>150058847 (OP)
Ape control. Just kidding ape control is great.

>>150058847 (OP)
He is just anohter mutant.

>>150060350
All of the examples of good writing with these powers that I can think of were written by Brits.
>Reality warping
Mad Jim Jaspers
Promethea
Enigma (Milligan)
>"Molecular control"
Doctor Manhattan
>Very strong telepathy
Luther Arkwright

>>150060798
I have no idea what comic this is from and im glad no other writer ever cared to acknowledge it.

>>150064690
Worst X-Man Ever. The comic is deliberately non-canon. The main character's power is to explode once and die.

>>150058847 (OP)
Being OP.

>>150058847 (OP)
It's just such an empty feat. "Oh this character can do anything" okay...how do you quantify that?

>>150060350
Ah, Martian Manhunter

>>150060350
What the fuck?

>>150058908
>My super power is I control everything and nobody is stronger than me
It sounds like that kid from the playground. The fat ones that smell bad

>>150068372
>I have the power to have all the powers

is it not commonly agreed that she managed to do it in an interesting way

>>150058847 (OP)
The question is, who is in charge: the character, or the power?
Superpowers have a way of exerting a will of their own, and the greater the power, the greater the will:
>On one end, you have a character like Batman, who is basically powerless and does what he does through his own sheer force of will.
>On the other end, you have a character like Galactus, who is less a person and more a force of nature. His power IS who he is.

Reality warpers fall on the Galactus end of the spectrum. It's hard to write them as characters when they're defining the setting they're in--in effect, they are the setting.

>>150058908
>dude what if Jim Jaspers was the good guy
>except he still did the same stuff but we called it good guy stuff

fuck the x-men, fuck mutants, fuck franklin richards

>>150060798
this comic is basically one big shitpost

>>150061921
They exist. They're just left out of most of the discussions about reality warpers.

>>150058847 (OP)
yes

>>150069223
This run stinks.

>>150058847 (OP)
Is it me or are Marvel comics nothing but "character X summons super powerful character Y into battle" and "some guy becomes a god, and I mean ANY guy, and it lost all meaning."

>>150058847 (OP)
Faggot Manifestation(which is yours, OP)

>>150073357
/thread

>>150058847 (OP)
Reality manipulation are powerwankers and deathbattlefaggots favorite power, of course they would be defending it.

>>150074454
>>150073357
What did OP do to you?

>>150074567
OP's being a retard, which automatically makes him a faggot.

>>150061921
>a character's power is that he's at all times surrounded by his own miniature pocket of reality
>it's not large or powerful enough for him to really "control" anything, but it completely immunises him from any external reality manipulation
>he doesn't have any other superpowers, so he just beats up reality benders with his bare hands/improvised weapons while they're powerless to stop him

>>150075683
So you got turned into a faggot by OP's faggot manipulation. How's the dick sucking been lately?