Thread 150078808

What made TaleSpin so good?

>>150078808 (OP)
the idea you could surf on clouds with a boomerang

>>150078808 (OP)
It was a novel concept for animated kids show. Jungle Book characters aside it's a globe trotting two fisted pulp series crossed with a work place romantic sitcom. That and plane autism is some potent shit.

You can never go wrong with seaplanes and pirates.

>>150078905
It wasn't novel. It was outright stolen from Porco Rosso.

>>150078924
And nobody in the 90s gave a shit about that.

>>150078924
The creators actually cited the Tales of the Golden Monkey as the main inspiration behind the series. I bet you also still think Lion King is a ripoff of Kimba

>>150078972
That's false. The creators openly state that they got the idea from the Porco Rosso oneshot manga that they saw in Japan and excitedly rushed back to the US to pitch it.

>>150078972
>>150078989
Fight, fight!

>>150078924
...How can that be when TaleSpin came out 2 years first?

Babies, the lot of you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu-LBgeDJlA

>>150078808 (OP)
It was a 65 episode Monday-to-Friday show, so your child brain only remembered the good episodes and not the considerable amount of garbage usually centred around Molly.

>>150078808 (OP)
It was Cheers but with talking cartoon bears.

>>150078808 (OP)
It was the first cartoon to use actual bullet guns since the late 1960s.

>>150079198
You are technically correct but I still hate you. That said there are a solid thirty or so episodes with several absolute gems.

>>150078924
Talespin is older.

>>150079059
>>150079420
Porco Rosso started off as a manga short story by Miyazaki before Japan Airlines gave him money to turn it into a full movie. The original story predates Talespin and was cited as one of its influences, although not the sole influence. Magon and Zaslove also mentioned Nausicaa and Castle in the Sky as inspirations for the aerial scenes.

>>150079420
>Manga: Hikōtei Jidai (March 1989 – May 1989)
>Cartoon: Talespin (September 7, 1990 – August 8, 1991)
>Movie: Porco Rosso (July 18, 1992)
>teleports behind
>Nothing personal, Miyazaki.

>>150079514
Miyazaki ripped himself off

>>150079564
Sherlock Hound was so fucking good

>>150079564
He can't keep getting away with it.

>>150078924
And Miyazaki is a hack whp stole everything he made, who cares?

>>150078808 (OP)
It was a soft animated reboot of Tales of the Gold Monkey with talking animals and different names to avoid copyright infringement.

>>150078808 (OP)
>What made TaleSpin so good?

kit is so sexy. I would totally fuck him up the ass

>>150079834

using characters based on jungle book but having them live life like humans but in an animal world was genius.

>>150078972
Matthew Broderick signed onto the movie literally thinking it was a Kimba movie.

>>150078972
>I bet you also still think Lion King is a ripoff of Kimba

thats exactly what it is.

>>150080440
Moron

>>150079366
DuckTales and Rescue Rangers had instances of guns prior

>>150079056
God, Porco is so fucking hot

I really liked the aircraft designs for the show. It had a very Crimson Skies feel. If there was one thing that bugged me about the Sea Duck it was that the rear cargo ramp was partially below the water line when she landed on water.

>>150078924
Okay, what's Proco Rosso stolen from?

>>150079420
Oh shit it is!
Weebanon out here getting his asshole blown out by basic facts.

>>150081669
Never seemed to be a problem to me, more of a deliberate option so you could theoretically drive a boat into the cargo section or land it on a calm sea and use the ramp as a fishing dock.

>>150080920

Retard

>>150078924
Tales of the Gold Monkey is a better match. Porco Rocco flies a single engine racer. The Hero planes in both Tale Spin and Tales of the Gold Monkey are both twin engine flying boat cargo planes. In Tales It's a Grumman G-21 named "Cutter's Goose." In Tale Spin, it's a Conwing L-16 named "Sea Duck."

>>150081764
Yeah, i know it's a bit autistic to worry about it, considering that the Duck and other aircraft in the show constantly ignore the laws of physics.

>>150081696
A hundred things, but mostly Miyazaki's childhood autism with planes because his dad worked at a military fighter factory.

>>150081786
I didn't see a chute from that last plane that had a grenade dropped in the cockpit.

>>150081696
Casablanca and Those Magnificent Men

>>150081786
That smug penguin gets me every time.

>>150078924
There's so many layers of idiocy at play with this comment it's almost impressive. Genuinely one of the dumbest takes I've read in a while.

>>150081888
It was like the second to last episode. Might as well kill some cast.

>>150081696
If it was inspired by any specific work of fiction it would be too old and Italian for anyone of us to know about. If there’s anything he’s as obsessed with as much as planes its fucking late 1800s/early 1900s Italy.

>>150078808 (OP)
Becca and Baloo. They were the Sam and Rebecca of Disney TV Animation. (Rebecca > Diane)

>>150082158
Proto Sea Duck was just a lame sports plane. Doesn't even look like Baloo could fit in the cockpit.

>>150081859
Its not just that, but a lot of the buoyancy on those planes comes from the float pontoons on the side as well, since they're compensating for a full cargo load
It'd be more of an issue of waves sloshing inside than the rear of the plane sinking

>>150082037
One of the sequences in Porco Rosso directly comes from a Roald Dahl short story about WW2 aviation
https://note.com/onemore1152/n/nec9198f2d205

>>150078808 (OP)
I watched as a kid because it was a pretty good adventure show, plane autism, Shere Khan scared me more in this than the Jungle Book, they shot real guns at each other (and not ray guns or crap like that), and I wanted to live like Baloo. I still, 30 years later, long for that life, flying a sea plane.

>>150080397
Baloo...

>>150083442

nice. I actually have the entire image! I was gonna post it... but you know how the mods are on this board!

>>150083442
Everyone keeps saying Kit gets fucked by Baloo
What if Baloo wants to get fucked by Kit?

>>150082937
Roald Dahls first published short story was a recounting of his 1940 plane crash titled "A Piece of Cake"
He would later claim that the head injury he suffered unlocked his creatuve genius, possibly half jokingly.

Y’all getting weird. Suffer nutales fat Kit.

>>150083612

I havent seen any of that.. I do have one of baloo getting fucked by don karnage. my tailspin porn collection isnt that expansive.

>>150078808 (OP)
the consistency and combination of the quasi-fantasy interwar tech level and deco aesthetic was very inspired.

Nutter

>>150083732
I know people hate this episode but he is legitimately hot

>>150078808 (OP)
If I was a soccer mom I would be upset about how Disney uses foul words like 'idiot' in front of little children.
Paired with 'strangle' implying killing someone I'd also sue Disney for misraising my child.

>>150083732
Joke's on you, I'm also into that

>>150084212
Sorry karen, but kids and parents were alot tougher back then and werent spineless pussies and could handle a little cartoon violence. Also you should be raising your kids, not TV

>>150082178
There's Talespin porn in the Disney vault we'll never see
:(

>>150083732
>Nu-Ducktales

I hate the woman character. i don't get why the creators of the show thought it would be a good idea to have a woman whose only role is to just bitch and nag at the protags in every episode of the show like they thought this would be funny or interesting or something. i don't really get it. Maybe they had some sort of masochism fetish i guess. i would say that she kinda has a cute bod but the bear face just kinda ruins it. fucking women. i would still smash her asshole.

>>150083612
Pretty sure at least half of all gay male kemoshotacons have some sort of daddy kink and would rather self-insert as Little Britches in order to get vicariously turned into a pampered onahole by Baloo.

>>150085013

Rebecca was a bitch! this is what Baloo should have done to her nagging ass!

>>150081192
I don't remember guns in Rescue Rangers. I do remember a shotgun in DuckTales, Scrooge's old girlfriend was shooting one, and it oddly shot out pink smoke? I guess that was a censor thing, can't have them too realistic?

>>150085067
Your version of Cheers would be too dark to be entertaining.

>>150085067
I got banned from Tumblr for posting this.

>>150085661
Hi, I was the administrator who banned you. Quite a coincidence running into you here, eh?
Don't you ever, and I mean EVER post violence against women on Tumblr (a Women's Safe Space) EVER again, got it?

>>150085167
Nuh-uh. Watch Fun and Fancy Free pleb bears express love by beating each other

>>150078924
>ANIME DID IT
>ANIME DID IT

>>150081921
it's weird that bagheera was not part of the cast

I'm sad that Disney didn't do an HD version of this like they did for Rescue Rangers (inferior) and Goof Troop (for a sitcom!?)

>>150079593
It has a handful of great animated sequences but that means most episodes don't and none of the stories are interesting and it doesn't do much with the Holmes character, even after hitting on something unique with having him and Watson competing for Mrs. Hudson's attention.

>>150086284
He was, check >>150078923 at 0:29

>>150080397
>>150083442
Kit is unironically one of the few /co/ characters I'd be okay with being gay. It feels right, him being a bumboy for Baloo. He'd look cute walking around naked on the plane.

>>150086284
He never showed up but everyone that worked for Shere Khan was a nameless panther.

>>150086284
>>150086440
There were actually a whole crew of Bagheeras; Shere Khan was running a cargo business with a bunch of Bagheera clones for pilots. One of the plot points in the show was Baloo and the other "independent" pilots being rivals with Shere Khan's company men.

>>150085051
Jumperbear flashbacks.

>>150086346
Yeah, but it's a truth bomb to realize the show's actual history is in 2 distinct parts. Originally it was a very technically impressive and creator driven project that produced 6 episodes (there was gonna be more but it was shelved). And then years later the Nausicaa film came out and 20 episodes were quickly rushed out without much thought.

>>150086440
I remember wondering if that was supposed to be Bagheera, but he's never named and he doesn't look as similar as the other characters to the Jungle Book counterparts

https://files.catbox.moe/yxhsnf.png
https://files.catbox.moe/gbb5nb.png

>>150078808 (OP)
>Exec walks into television animation writer's office in the early 90s
>Writer has had a mental breakdown and has passed out on the floor
>Covered his wall with pictures from Tales of the Golden Monkey, Porco Rosso, Indiana Jones, Flying Aces magazine, Art Deco buildings, pulp novels and Cheers
>Right in the middle of the deranged collage for some reason is a picture of Baloo from Jungle Book
>Hours later a coworker revives the writer
>"Congrats on getting your show greenlit!"
>"Huh?"

>>150087159
His name is Jymn Magon.

>>150081859

The show had a weird mix. The Sea Duck and the biplanes >>150081786 are fairly reasonable. Then you've got the air pirate zeppelin and triplanes and a Kit cloud surfing.

>>150085694

lol shutup stupid bitch

>>150087117
That's what I'm talking about!

The setting helped set it apart from the other DA shows, and the characters had enough depth to them that they could take turns being the hero with the clever idea or the idiot that made things worse, or in Khan's case an ally or an antagonist. Also it had Don Karnage, easily one of the best cartoon characters of the last fifty years.

>>150084906
Oddly enough, Rosa wrote a couple of TaleSpin eps while he was moving from working with Gladstone to working with Egmont.

>>150078924
Sounds like you just don't like TaleSpin.

>>150078989
Citation please

>>150080397
/co/ summed up in a single post

How can a show overflowing with high end anthro bitches have a fandom this gay?

>>150087303
The pirate stuff isn't that out there. The US Navy had flying aircraft carriers for a short while. Airships that would launch planes for scouting. The pirate planes are also based off a real plane.

>>150089317
One thing I like is that there's an episode about the invention of the helicopter, which really cements the implied mid-to-late 1930's era of the series. Not that it's set in our world or anything.

>>150089357
There was also an experimental jet engine.

>>150089399
Always felt like it'd be a fun setting for an RPG.

>>150089118
Daddy issues.

>>150078972
Rip off? No. Inspired by? Probably. I know Adumb's video makes good points on why its not a rip-off but he acts like Kimba isn't an iconic Tezuka series that Disney animators would be familiar with and he is absolutely bias because he's a gay furry retard who makes jacking off to Simba part of his personality. There's definitely some light influence, just like the movie takes influence from Hamlet. And there is at least SOME evidence that the movie might have started as a Kimba movie (Broderick saying he signed on thinking that's what it was, and the white lion in the original reveal) but even then I don't think it would have lasted long. Katzenberg is also NOT a reliable narrator. There were comments from Eisner and the members of Disney's board from the 90s that stated Katzenberg often took credit for other employees ideas and had an almost pathological need to feel important.

>>150089660
>often took credit for other employees ideas and had an almost pathological need to feel important.
What is a Hollywood executive producer, Alex?

>baloo but we take him (and shere khan) out of the jungle and give him amphibious aircraft
>you got it, here's the green light
back then it appears you could approach disney with any idea

>>150089455
I wish there was more stuff with that overall interwar era feel.

>>150079537
If it came out in 1990 it would've had to already be in production by the time Hikōtei Jidai came out. It sounds like it was mostly inspired by The Jungle Book, Tales of the Golden Monkey, Cheers, and Casablanca with Hikōtei Jidai giving minor aesthetic inspiration.

>>150080427
Matthew Broderick killed a guy. He's not exactly a genius.

>>150081696
TaleSpin

>>150085013
She's a direct rip-off of a character from Cheers, which was the biggest show on tv at the time.

>>150085067
>>150085694
Two retards fighting

>>150078924
I see your argument made people angry, well done.

You should look into Kissyfur if you like TaleSpin.

>>150084906
Do you ever sleep?

>>150090815
There is no argument there, he’s just stating something blatantly untrue with nothing to back up his assertions.

>>150089660
Sorry but the two cartoons bear only the most surface level resemblance to each other. (Kimba isn’t even the MC’s name in the original Japanese) Kimba has more in common with Babar than it does with the Lion King, but Babar never gets accused of plagiarism literally because it’s about an fucking elephant and not a lion

>>150089719
Now just imagine all the pitches that the public has never seen that DIDN'T get made

>>150089118
Main Characters Rule
The makeup of the first three or so main characters, alongside the main villain or two, will determine what type of horny fandom a series gets, regardless of what background or one-off characters they pull
Talespin is all anthros so it is a furry fandom. Talespin has two male leads in Baloo and Kit followed by Rebecca, with villains in Don Karnage and Shere Khan. So it has a straight furry following mainly but will also have a significant gay furry following

>>150089317
Fuck that's really cool!

>>150081716
Why didn't Bagheera get a role?

>>150092829
>Where's Bagheera? Why didn't Bagheera get a role?
No one ever asks where's Colonel Hathi?

>>150092609
A shame they crashed.

>>150078808 (OP)
Girl boss who needs no man.

>>150093176
I love this part in Kiki's Delivery Service.

>>150078808 (OP)
I really liked Rebecca. It's so easy to screw up her type of character, yet they somehow managed to pull it off.

>>150093199
Except his plane, his house and his years of experience.

TaleSpin > Ducktales

There, I said it.

>>150092829
All of Shere Khan's pilots are Bagheera.

>>150093199
Wrong she needs Baloo quite a lot of times to get her out of shit
Only thing is Baloo needs her to get him out of shit too. It isn’t one way

>>150078924
What the hell is Porco Rosso?

>>150094663
Italian pigman flying a plane.

>>150094663
A decent ghibli movie, but not a must watch. Only go for it if you're into planes and cool landscapes

>>150078808 (OP)
Peak dieselpunk and art deco

>>150096550
Cape Suzette seemed like a nice place.

>>150097655
>MOLLY NEEDS BRACES!

>>150078808 (OP)
It took inspiration from Porco Rosso

>>150082178
Holy SHIT her concept design was fucking hot.

>>150093176
Commercial airships/blimps should make a comeback. The technology has improved so much over the years and I could see them as a cheaper alternative for flying

>>150097655
FUCK I wish Furronika made a continuation of this comic. So close to Kit X Baloo action.

>>150085067
You know he hatefucked her

>>150097873
Every so often people try, but the idea never gets off the ground.

>>150098036
Isnt that the one people meme'd about having a big ass and pussy

>>150098132
Don't worry about that.

>>150097873
>cheaper alternative for flying
Unlikely. Current airships are almost exclusively for novelty. They aren't exactly fast or efficient compared to planes. Their only serious advantage is that they don't need airstrips to become stationary.