Thread 150091251

>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH YOU DID MY JOB BETTER THAN ME I'M GONNA LE HECKIN THROW A TANTRUM
Top tier Superman story

>>150091251 (OP)
How are you this retarded?

>>150091251 (OP)
>Top tier Superman story
Yes.

>>150091251 (OP)
would do the same if some brit was trying to take my job honestly

>>150091251 (OP)
>the strongest should make the rules
>WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT, THIS ISN'T FAIR SUPERMAN AIEEEEEEEEE

>>150091518
Brits have been taking over your country and you do jackshit about it

>>150091251 (OP)
>surprise! i'm just messing with you! i'm better than you and did your thing better than you! and you lost your powers! go to jail!

>>150091251 (OP)
>might makes right
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
>but yes
>"IMMA FUCK YOU UP RAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"
>"Heh, see, by beating you up I proved that might doesn't make right, I bet you feel pretty stupid"
So THIS is the INTELLIGENCE of... SUPERKEKS!

>>150091543
>s not fair guvna! whys yous gots ta be so bloody mean ta me? i jus was jokin matey plees don hurt me no mo!

>"might makes right!"
>ok dumbass, I'm mightier now what
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

>>150091545
>Superman proves that "might makes right" is wrong by being the strongest and beating up the other guys

>>150091561
>turn ideology onto its proponents to show them how devastating its effects are
Makes sense to me

>>150091561
He shows that Manchester Black and the Elite didn't actually care about their philosophy they just wanted a cheap justification to be cunts to everyone.
There are very few villains who espouse "violence is the ultimate authority" and then actually accept when someone else is better at it than them thus making them correct. You could definitely make a less strawmanny superman story with it using an anti-hero who's fully aboard the violence train but that'd take cleverer writing than what comic book writers can produce.

>>150091600
>>150091639
>make character a strawman
>"heh, I bet you don't like it"
>pretend you won the argument presented
...How are you people this retarded?

>>150091658
Yes, the elite became strawmen because Kelly didn't know how to actually argue against punitive justice or capital punishment besides making the authority unjust, arbitrary, retarded, and needlessly edgy. At a certain point the comic is just about trying to shit on the aesthetic of edgy anti-heroes by pretending they're all just bigger villains than they actually are.
How are you so retarded that you lack the reading comprehension to understand when i'm agreeing with you?

>>150091658
>lose the argument instantly
>shift goal posts
Concession accepted

>>150091685
I tagged both posts to reply separately, then I wanted to use a reaction pic and figured I'd reply in a separate post, and then I forgot I had both there and hit post. Sorry.
>>150091707
Nigger, you literally didn't do anything. You don't win an argument by making the opponent a strawman that cries then you claim you "won".

>>150091731
You went from complaining about a logical inconsistency in turning an ideology onto its own proponent to then complaining about the portrayal of the proponents being strawmen. You literally lost immediately and moved to a different argument

>>150091658
I mean they don't have wojaks saved to their computer so I think they're good

>>150091758
If the story uses an ideology and its counterargument is to show the holder of said ideology be a stoo-peed cwybaby then it's not a refutation of the ideology you dumb nigger. We are talking about the story's handling of the ideology, and how its "solution" isn't a refutation. Nobody's moving goalposts, you're just looking for excuses to weasel yourself out of talking about it logically. If I want to show the superiority of position A over B, then have Character X use B on Y so that B pisses and shits himself, I haven't proven A works.
>>150091762
No, instead they have Superman dolls they touch themselves to every night.

>>150091783
No retard, none of that is relevant to the post I actually responded to
>>150091545
>>150091561
>If I want to show the superiority of position A over B, then have Character X use B on Y so that B pisses and shits himself, I haven't proven A works.
You've proven that B doesn't work in that case which is sufficient. Unless you're a giga cucked retard who thinks "well I may be getting shit on, but I guess I have to be logically consistent" is a tenable position
Superman didn't prove A was better than B. He proved B was fucking retarded. And so are you

>>150091783
>>150091658
>>150091545
Kill yourself wojack poster.

>>150091946
>entire argument falls down to "no u"
Nigger, you're failing even by your own standards. Superman literally proved that might makes right. If that's your entire fixation, whether the original idea is proven to work or not, then Superman legitimately proved MB's point.
>b-but that would be a MEANIE world!
Well gee, then that's moving the goalposts too based on your way of thinking, dipshit. Because we've now moved past whether the idea works as a testament, and are discussing how it is received by the characters. Your stand-in being the heckin Chad doesn't negate that fact. Superman won by force, ergo he disproved his own point.

Moron.

>>150091251 (OP)
>>AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH YOU DID MY JOB BETTER THAN ME I'M GONNA LE HECKIN THROW A TANTRUM
>Top tier Superman story
yes

Superman made Black his bitch in this film, motherfucker gave him a pimp back hand and all.

>>150091251 (OP)
youre missing the point if your take away was "waaahhh supermans a hypocrite, he used might makes right to prove it doesn't work"
Superman wasn't arguing against it, he was dismantling the edge lord bullshit manchester black was pushing by showing him and his buddies a taste of their own medicine. Not so fun being killed off painfully by someone far stronger then you, is it?

>>150091251 (OP)
>Top tier Superman story
Agreed, one of the most cathartic Super Hero stories I have seen.

>>150091251 (OP)
>Top tier Superman story
yes.

>>150092258
Supersisters......

We'rent the Elite kidnapping a sentient alien to use it as their base of operations?

>>150091251 (OP)
I never got this story, Superman is showing the Elite why heroes shouldn't be edgy assholes by chimping out in the middle streets. Even if he was just pretending how many people do you think saw him doing what he did and suddenly became more Luthor like?

>>150092538
Luthor likes are retards in the first place, you cannot plan your course of action around them

>>150092538
If I was a citizen and saw that guy hurl a car my way, I'd be pissed even if one of his robots saved me. I'd rather he just didn't deal with the theatrics and save people.

>>150091251 (OP)
>might makes right old man >;)
>oh fuck he's mightier

>>150091639
>>150091600
>turn ideology onto its proponents to show them how devastating its effects are
>He shows that Manchester Black and the Elite didn't actually care about their philosophy they just wanted a cheap justification to be cunts to everyone.
He's only able to do that by being more powerful, which proves that might makes right.

>>150092266
Yes but its established, like, halfway or 2/3rds of the way through. Maybe it was always intended but it comes across as the equivalent of making the Elite kick a puppy because the reader/watcher was liking them too much.

>>150092709
Yes except that manchester black never actually believed in it, he only believed that he should be able to do whatever he wanted and pussed out like a bitch the moment someone turned it around on him.

>>150091545
>>150091658
>I'm a straight white male
>I beat up ugly people and those who don't believe in my reddit tier heckin wholesomeness
>I'm not a fascist power fantasy though
>batman is worse i swear

>>150093125
superman would never say this, he doesn't watch TFS only like a secondary

>>150091251 (OP)
It's also inconsequential because just 2 years earlier Superman had no problem with Ultraman doing the dirty work

>>150093131
>>I'm not a fascist power fantasy though
>>batman is worse i swear
I mean, a rich guy who sees the world with the black-and-white morality of an 8 year old that only needs his wealth in order to beat the shit out of criminals with impunity and adoration from the public sounds like a fascist wet dream.

>>150091520
Okay but how does this answer why they shouldn't kill all these supervillains who kill thousands and escape jail in a day

>>150091520
Doesn't really work when Superman continually allows the world to be a worse place by letting super powered murderers off the hook
Some guys like Lex deserve to be lobotomized at the very least

>>150093218
That's why they had to changed the plot to the elite becoming full dictators and taking over nations. Killing repeat mass murderers made TOO MUCH sense so they couldn't refute it

>>150093125
But massive collateral damage by fighting in the middle of a city is like the foundation of every single superman fight. Goku is a hick who does hit fightan out in the country or on other people's planets.

>>150093301
Elite was based on the Authority, who went after world leaders

>>150091251 (OP)
>We have the power to stop evil people which makes it our moral responsibility to use lethal force against them to ensure the greater good regardless of any laws.

Vs

>I have the power to stop evil people but I don't have the moral right to use lethal force (unless as a matter of last resort) and it is up to others to decide their fate according to the law.

The dream offered by Superman is that there is a better way than killing and that people can always choose to be better. The reality presented by The Elite is that they don't.

>>150093732
And that's why capeshit comics suffer, because killing lunatic mass murderers actually is justified. They would do better not making movies that directly address this contradiction, but Superman in particular suffers because being a gigachad who refuses to kill is his entire gimmick. At least other characters like Batman can make interesting stories inside the pacifist limitation.

>>150091251 (OP)
The only thing The Elite arguably handled better was Atomic Skull because of the changes the story made. If Superman can come up with magical means to depower people, why is Atomic Skull still running around?

>>150091251 (OP)
It is an old superman tradition, they did one with Captain Marvel way back.

I am surprised that they never did one featuring anime pastiches.

Why did everyone in xitter and /co/ decided to start hating on this comic just as I'm about to get my physical copy of it

>>150093958
>why is Atomic Skull still running around
Because he was able to be used for free energy
The Elite, despite clearly at least having better morals and ethics than Atomic Skull, deserved to be made into powerless losers for the rest of their lives because Superman knows better

>>150093968
/thread

>>150093218
>Okay but how does this answer why they shouldn't kill all these supervillains who kill thousands and escape jail in a day

How does it not. How can you be this stupid?

>>150093968
When was the last time Superman fought someone for fun?

>>150091783
>>150092709
Manchester Black spent the whole story trying to get Superman to do things his way. It's not stated outright but it's a given that he thinks Superman will always agree with him on who deserves to die. he doesn't really believe in "might makes right", he believes he is right and the "might" needs to get with the program. But when Superman makes it apparent that he sees the Elite as a threat necessitating lethal force, Manchester folds.

>>150091783
wow this reply chain is rancid

>>150091251 (OP)
No.

>>150091251 (OP)
What I don't like about this story is that Superman didn't win because he was morally superior and stood his ground; he won because he lowered himself to the same level as the elite.
God, not even the citizens oppose the elite; they support them!
All of this makes Superman look like an idiot who gets angry because someone else is doing their job better.
Superman is like that public employee who only does the minimum possible, but gets angry when someone better replaces him.

>>150097622
It would have been better if the citizens of Metropolis had united against the Elite's beliefs.

>Superman: See? Maybe they're not as strong as us, but like me, true justice lives in their hearts.

Superman gave the Elite multiple chances to stop and they kept going. He could easily have slaughtered them all but he decided to spare them and teach them a lesson instead. the Elite were quickly spiraling into becoming a group of Super-Villains instead of operating within reason.

>>150097622
>What I don't like about this story is that Superman didn't win because he was morally superior and stood his ground; he won because he lowered himself to the same level as the elite.

That's the point. Good lord you're an idiot. He was giving them a taste of their own medicine. He was showing why it was wrong for to do that. He also had a bunch of robots on hand making sure shit didn't go to far. How does this go over your heads?

>>150091251 (OP)
i have no idea why the capeshit retards love that story. anyway, the new film is probably the best Superman story and you're mentally retarded and brown and indian and a troon if you disagree.

>>150093968
>SUPERMAN MUST NEVER LOOK MEAN