Thread 150174068

Bruce having been trained by the League of Assassins makes a lot of sense and it would justify Ra's obsession with him

>>150174068 (OP)
That was stupid and I hate it

>>150174126
Why?

Non-Spider Gwen actually being an interesting and likable character.

>>150174142
Because batman does not need that intimate a relationship with Raz

>>150174142
Because it makes sense.

>>150174270
Oh, but it's fine if we make Joker the guy who killed his parents?

>>150174142
>Have an established No Kill Rule
>Train under someone who runs a group that explicitly kills

>>150174068 (OP)
It expediates a few things admittedly, but also creates the largest paradox of why a group staunchly for assassination would effectively inform and train someone who hadn't proved unquestionably loyal beforehand, or with the handwave that Ra's thought the Wayne's resources too useful to dismiss why wouldn't he gradually condition him with setup kill or be killed situations until he became accustomed to it.
Leaving it to a last second test with nothing but hearsay as the incentive to execute someone just made Ra's, a supposedly seasoned expert of many crafts with a small army of loyal followers, suddenly look woefully inept at reading and manipulating the most barefaced person there was.

There's also the enigma of why they let Bruce get away with it for so long just to setup some long method of assassination instead of just killing him in his sleep before he got to Gotham, the movie wouldn't happen obviously but that's not relevant to the depiction of this elite shadow society as incompetent whenever dealing with this one guy.

>>150174068 (OP)
Rogue being a goth girl

>>150174300
like half the people Bruce actually trained with were assassins or professional killers

>>150174126
This
>>150174142
His training has to be his own, he has to be unaffiliated. A lone wolf. Making him part of something is reductive and small.

>>150174300
more like
>get tasked to kill a criminal (a killer mind you)
>refuse
>blow up the place killing everyone instead

>>150174068 (OP)
HIVE being an evil school/academy instead of some generic villain organization.

Just make one of DC's 50 Queen Bees the headmistress since nobody cares about the alien Queen Bee or Bialya.

>>150174300
>>Train under someone who runs a group that explicitly kills

Did you read 80s/90s Batman comics

>>150174297
Whataboutism isn't a defense

>>150174270
why not?

>>150174068 (OP)
Retconning it so Bruce was trained by the monkey cult.

>>150174068 (OP)
The Suicide Squad's Polka-Dot Man's powers

>>150174300
Tbf if you were so good that you were mogging an entire assassin order in every facet and still chose not to kill, I could see Ra's being obsessed because its like a. I cant let this guy get away withthe disrespect or b. The moment he falters in his faith and rejoin the League, we're gonna dominate the world

Organic web shooters

>>150174297
No, that's actually even worse. Nobody even brought that up as a counter example.

>>150174068 (OP)
real talk, Ra's is a dogshit character with a worse backstory than Hawkgirl and nothing about him makes any sense

he's just the anti-preptime guy

>>150174068 (OP)
What I hate about Nolan movies is how everything is overly streamlined.
>Batman and Bane both have to be ex-League
>Zsasz can't just be a random serial killer, he has to be affiliated with the mob because all evil in Gotham either comes from the League or the mob

>>150174241
I still don't understand why she was inexplicably 35 in the second ASM movie but also doing a full time job while still in highschool or whatever

there were a lot of things wrong with that movie and that was one of them

>>150175579
>Yeah, yeah. One of my henchmen went to London for a week.
>He came back with an accent too.
>He was all, "I'm rather chuffed."
>Total douche.

>>150176718
>the amazing spunk hands

Superman giving absolutely zero fucks about coming across as a dictator and actively working to make the world a better place by doing shit like attacking evil world rulers to make them do what he wants would be kino.

>>150174068 (OP)
I thought it was canon in the arkhamverse

>>150174068 (OP)
Canonized in 2022

>>150176718
Canonized in 2006

>>150176946
Canonized in 1938

You guys knew all that though, right? We read comics here?

I like the idea of Hobgoblin being the early prototype.

Rogue's backstory in TAS is much, much better than in the comic just due to how simple it is.
Jesus, there could be a whole thread of all the things TAS adapted there are much better than the current state of x-men comics.

>>150176718
The only way I'll accept organic webshooters is if Peter gets to support them with regular webshooters so he gets to do crazy stuff like in the cartoons and games, or if he gets stuff like extra eyes and stingers.

>>150177238
>Canonized in 2006
Didn't stick though

>>150177253
I feel like the Hobgoblin outfit is superior to the Green Goblin, but the Green Goblin color palette is best. Smash together both, and that's the best Green Goblin outfit anyone could ever do.

>>150177328
Alex Ross tried to do something like that, but sadly it didn't take off.
The first Raimi movie tie-in game instantly changes Green Goblin model to Ross' GG if you equip Ross Spider-Man costume, so it's probably the only time you could see it in action.

>>150177328
Hobgoblin looks his best when you can only see his red eyes through the hood. The mask itself is pretty weak

>>150174068 (OP)
Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike dating before he was bonded to the Adamantium, and killing her father during his escape. In the comics, her father was a WW2 soldier who failed to die in a kamikaze, was arrested by the US, made millions off a book he wrote, and tried to make an adamantium samurai army. Also Deathstrike killed him herself, and the adamantium bonding was stolen by a random nameless guy, her dad had nothing to do with Weapon X.

>>150174068 (OP)
Not only I agree but I also think that Batman in the comics is horrible and deserves every single bad thing that happened in his life while Nolan's Batman is actually a pretty likeable person.

>>150176718
It makes sense but I just personally find it really gross

>>150177238
>We read comics here?
No

>>150177238
>Canonized in 2022
Well too late.

>>150174270
so Ras just wanted her to marry some rando american he never met in a city on the other side of the planet and whose real identity he doesn't even know?

>>150174068 (OP)
Brainiac being Kryptonian in origin.

>>150175579
You expect people who are aping BTAS to have read a single Batman comic? There are at least 20 murderers that trained him or with him. Nobody and Ghostmaker are some of the more recent additions, but it has been a thing since before Begins.

>>150176387
this, it can also be twisted as to mean Ra's thinks Bruce will never be a fully worthy fighter in his eyes because he lacks that killer instinct, hence why he only ever calls him Detective

>>150174241
Having just read some of the original ASM issues, I'm still at a loss why Liz Allen was just rushed off the stage only to be replaced with another blonde popular girl with the same dynamic with Peter. Just so they could spend a few issues rerunning Peter and Liz's early relationship?

It's not surprising they just make her another highschool classmate of his in other adaptation.

>>150176844
I blame 610. Everything was super soldier. Like how everything in Amazing Spider-Man 2 later tried to have everything be Oscorp

>>150176342
what were his powers otherwise?

>>150175557
>HIVE being an evil school/academy instead of some generic villain organization.
Especially since Brother Blood's cult kind of overlaps with that idea anyway.

>>150177328
I appreciate that NWH Gobby had the hooded look rather than the typical comic mask, it really works in his favor

>>150174068 (OP)
Pretty sure most newer Batman stuff treat this as canon. It is in the Arkhamverse.

>>150178279
it's a similar gimmick but I doubt Nolan even knew Ultimate Marvel enough to be inspired by them. I don't think "make it so everything is tied to each other somehow" as a concept was invented by Bendis and Millar or anything

>>150177373
WORD!

>>150178318
I just think its a retcon that makes sense. Who the hell else would teach Batman how to be one of the world's greatest fighters? He could travel the world and learn how to do shit and then still get his ass pushed in by a thug who got lucky with a pipe.

Trained assassins make more sense because I imagine they'd know more of what to look for when fighting people. Self defense trainers will teach you how to survive, but assassins will teach you how to kill. I imagine knowing what to look for to kill a person has saved batman's life before even if he doesn't kill anyone.

>>150175557
On the topic of TT03 I'm surprised a writer hasn't tried to shoehorn in Raven's emotoclones.

>>150178366
>Who the hell else would teach Batman how to be one of the world's greatest fighters?
David Cain, Richard Dragon, Sensei Kirigi, Henri Ducard, Wildcat, Peter Allison, Raphael DiGiorda, Coach LaSalle, Priestess Shao-La, Sensei Chu Chin Li, FBI agent Arthur McKee, Sensei Kurosaki, Yakuza sword-smith Tsunetomo, The Zhuguan, and The Ghost Tribes of The Ten-Eyed Brotherhood, you fucking stupid casual.

>>150178499
David Cain and Wildcat are the only interesting answers here, and Ra's is still better

>>150178554
Oh, those weren't my ideas. It's all the people who actually trained Batman before the movie, you stupid fucking casual.

>>150178321
>I don't think "make it so everything is tied to each other somehow" as a concept was invented by Bendis and Millar or anything
It's just bog standard streamlining. It happens all the time in adaptations, especially movies, because they're more strapped for time.

This is actually a recent one, but I actually did think it was clever to make Scorpion's tail a prototype of Ock's tentacle. Right now it does feel a bit like he's just Ock with one tentacle, but I would genuinely be interested in seeing how they develop the idea to make Scorpion not quarter of Octavious. I think they should marry the idea from Spider-man 2 that Scorpion's tail is like fucking sentient to make him stand out from Octavious.

>>150178565
nta but he never said they were your ideas, just that they're the only interesting characters to have trained Batman in the comics. the rest are basically Glup Shittos, and making it Ra's who trained him adds depth to both characters such as the latter's obsession with Bruce all while Bruce tries to grapple with the league's lethal methods and staying true to his own moral code against killing
>>150178780
exactly, so I don't think it's 1610's fault at all. it's convergent thinking but they're not related to each other: Ultimate Marvelwas more or less an attempt to make a new streamlined comic universe that was contemporary and more believably coexistent with all of its characters and stories, and a big reason behind that philosophy was to make them prime material for adaptation into movies and other media

>>150178286
They were shrunk gadgets he could pull from his costume

>>150174068 (OP)
I quite prefer Harvey's face being burnt charred remains of his face rather than some acid making it look purple and weird

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